About Sharia Law and Islamism in general

[EmmanuelBrasil]

1-Do Muslims want to REPLACE the other systems by Sharia? If so, you are wrong.

I have nothing against people wanting to live by sharia, but forcing sharia to non muslims is absurd.

Even in muslim majority nations, forcing sharia is anti-democratic, people should not mix religion with state, state is for everybody.

2-I saw the protests in the muslim world against the anti-islamic movie made in usa. I think it was really stupid to say bad things about islam, but so what? Muslims are going wild because their religion was disrespected? Everybody should have freedom of speech, even if it hurts.

3-Muslims want sharia law for europe?

[جوري]

Do Muslims want to REPLACE the other systems by Sharia? If so, you are wrong.

what do you know of the law or sharia law?

I have nothing against people wanting to live by sharia, but forcing sharia to non muslims is absurd.

Who forced sharia on you? and why is it absurd? Can we see your degree in Islamic jurisprudence just so the 'absurdity' would have some weightiness!

Even in muslim majority nations, forcing sharia is anti-democratic, people should not mix religion with state, state is for everybody.

in what way is 50-1 usurping the opinion of 50-1 fair? That's actually what democracy is, but it isn't the law. obviously you're an undereducated git and a moron (just exercising my free speech) which you were so gracious to suggest we use even if it hurts. Hopefully a thick skinned git like you has no feelings on the matter. I don't think you've more than a third grade education. Your syntax and grammar well- hilarious! Your logic is practically non-existent and I am not even going to touch upon your zero to nil understanding of terminologies!

Muslims want sharia law for europe?

If Europe becomes a Muslim majority then why not? that's in fact what democracy is- majority rule nothing more, nothing less!
Is the state for everybody? if so then why don't we see any Muslim presidents in the west? what country's constitution runs on the exception? Or do you desire to force on others what you exempt yourself of?

[EmmanuelBrasil]

Well, English is not my native language, sorry about my mistakes. ok?
1-I don't know much about sharia law. Maybe you can teach me.
2-Sharia will only be democratic if people have the chance to change it, Sharia allows itself to be replaced or Sharia considers itself to be eternal ?
3-Democracy is the rulling of majority, but in which way the government under the sharia organizes itself, for a democracy be the ruiling of majority it should be open to the majority and not in a representative way.

I'm not trying to be offensive, ok? can you clarify these questions for me?

[جوري]

Well, English is not my native language, sorry about my mistakes. ok?

OK!

1-I don't know much about sharia law. Maybe you can teach me.

Do you know regular law? Are you born knowing it? or do people go to universities to learn that? It is no different for sharia, no one here can teach you sharia unless they've a degree in the matter, maybe you ought to stop getting your information about sharia from rabid reporters and people with mass hysteria on TV?

2-Sharia will only be democratic if people have the chance to change it, Sharia allows itself to be replaced or Sharia considers itself to be eternal ?

Again, how can you build a premise on a faulty foundation. You don't know what sharia is, so why would you want it replaced? Democracy in terms of choosing your leader is an Islamic right. But it isn't a system of jurisprudence. All it is, is majority rule. Which in fact is inferior to an Islamic Shura system (which is a system of counsels) So unlike 'democracy' no one gets left out- It is because of this that Jews and Christians found their safest haven in the Muslim world long before the West started to talk about human rights and freedom of religion. “Jews familiar with history might note that from Spain to Baghdad, it was the Islamic world that offered the Jews of the Middle Ages a fair degree of toleration -- not the Christian West’, so tells us Richard Cohen in an article in the Post.; non-Muslims continue to live peacefully among Muslims. Islamic teachings, corroborated by our historical experience, teach us that the best atmosphere for the spread of Islam is the peaceful atmosphere.

3-Democracy is the rulling of majority, but in which way the government under the sharia organizes itself, for a democracy be the ruiling of majority it should be open to the majority and not in a representative way.

What do you mean by this?

I'm not trying to be offensive, ok? can you clarify these questions for me?

I hope I have!

best,

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[جوري]

If you're sincere in your pursuit then pay a visit to this thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...-analysis.html

[EmmanuelBrasil]

What I'm trying to say is: when you have a law that is not secular, you are forcing to everyone (100%) a law based on faith and not on scientific facts. If I'm not wrong Sharia treats different muslims who turn to another religion comparing to the opposite way. Sharia DOES treat women different from men, even if the western media demonizes somethings, if a christian woman who lives under sharia law wants to do something that sharia law doesn't permits, what will be done? How to reach a consensus? And what about people who practices things forbbiden by the profet, who live under sharia?they should move just because muslims are a majority in that place?

Do you understand that is not so simple just because muslims are a majority?

[CosmicPathos]

OK!

:statisfie

[جوري]

clearly You've not read the link I provided and I so hate my time to be wasted on someone who doesn't have the common courtesy to do the slightest bit of research before gauging a topic!

What I'm trying to say is: when you have a law that is not secular, you are forcing to everyone (100%) a law based on faith and not on scientific facts.

What law is based on 'scientific facts' are we dealing with medical ethics or the laws? You're so funny. What is scientific about the death penalty or incarceration? The law is a separate field it isn't related to genetics or art history, science or faith. Do we understand that part just so we can move on?

If I'm not wrong Sharia treats different muslims who turn to another religion comparing to the opposite way.

Regular law also treats people it deems turning away from the state differently in fact by death:
have a looksy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

people who are sincere don't run around like those who commit treason.

Sharia DOES treat women different from men, even if the western media demonizes somethings, if a christian woman who lives under sharia law wants to do something that sharia law doesn't permits, what will be done? How to reach a consensus? And what about people who practices things forbbiden by the profet, who live under sharia?they should move just because muslims are a majority in that place.

Example?
you do contend that men and women are different even if they're treated equally? or why do we not see men and women competing against each other in the same sports in the Olympics- Does western society as well as science recognize that there are differences between them?
Female doctors pay in some cases three times as much insurance as their male counterparts.. Why would a 'free and democratic' society impose such a high tariff on a woman plus cut from her pay if she desires prolonged maternity leave etc.
perhaps because men and women are indeed different and not limited to 'Islamists/Islamism or sharia'?

Do you understand that is not so simple just because muslims are a majority?

So far you haven't made a case for a majority or a minority.. you mouth off so much nonsense about something that you don't understand. I have given you a link to start off with as a baseline and I don't think I'll engage any further discussion until at least you've amassed some basic information to critique or otherwise!

best,

[- Qatada -]

Emmanuel, check this site plz: http://IslamReligion.com :) After that ask any questions you have.

You need to know atleast the basics of Islam so we can have a proper healthy discussion.


Peace.

[IslamicRevival]

Hello and welcome to Islamicboard Emmanuel. Watch this video, a detailed and in depth lecture explaining Islamic law. It should answer most, if not all of your questions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR4_8pore7E&feature=plcp. Peace out.

[EmmanuelBrasil]

I saw your link, I Sharia is totally unacceptable in this world. In the link it is said that islam do not consider the state separated from the faith, it is said on the link that no men can change the laws of god, so it is very clear that sharia consider itself to be eternal and unchangeable.

The material world is different from the post life world. In material world we have to solve things thinking about material conditions, otherwise you are denying that other people have diffenrent faiths.

Think about it my muslims friends- I, Emmanuel told to other people that an angel spoke to me and told me what to do with society, and I than the religion of "Emmanuelism" is created. One of the rules of my religion is that women are superior to men and we have to eat babies in breakfast. When anybody say bad things about this religion the believers will say : "Emmanuel told, so its right and eternal" "It's the will of god". Do you muslims will like this religion? Other thing is, We must make "Emmanuel Law" for all society, because it was told t me throught revelations that society as a whole (Emmanuelist and non-emmanuealist) should live by the "Emmanuel Law" because is the will god.


Conclusion- All religions are based on faith and atheism too (you need to believe it). For the religion "A" the religion "b" will sound wrong and so on. That's why religion or anti-religion should not mix with state.



Anyone who defend Sharia for the STATE is totally blinded by FANATISM and SUPREMACISM.

Please muslims, stop your desire to take society for you!

[Aprender]

I saw your link, I Sharia is totally unacceptable in this world.

You're funny if you think the way the world governments work now are a shining light of peace and prosperity for all people. Very funny indeed.

Does anyone have any links for this kid in Portuguese because I think he might be having some trouble understanding the content.

[جوري]

I saw your link, I Sharia is totally unacceptable in this world

You saw and understood nothing unfortunately. which is a shame to waste all that effort on someone who came in with a preconceived notion, read nothing popped the next day to hammer in his ignorance. Oh and your hypothetical is so convincing. I think even a child in elementary school can put a more appropriate compare/contrast for us to glean some similarities!
You speak with no conviction and worse yet no understanding.

best,

[GuestFellow]

1-Do Muslims want to REPLACE the other systems by Sharia? If so, you are wrong.

I have nothing against people wanting to live by sharia, but forcing sharia to non muslims is absurd.

Even in muslim majority nations, forcing sharia is anti-democratic, people should not mix religion with state, state is for everybody.

2-I saw the protests in the muslim world against the anti-islamic movie made in usa. I think it was really stupid to say bad things about islam, but so what? Muslims are going wild because their religion was disrespected? Everybody should have freedom of speech, even if it hurts.

3-Muslims want sharia law for europe?

Welcome to the forum.

1. Define democracy? Democracy is where the majority determine how the country should be governed. Would you call it undemocratic if the majority wanted the Sharia?

2. Not all Muslims are going wild. Like it's common to hear that Christian priests are sexually abusing kids. This does not mean all priests commit this act.

3. Well Muslims want Sharia for the entire world. We would desire that, but of course it cannot be forced since it is not practicable.

Hope you enjoy your stay.

[جوري]

It is strange indeed, I have known many Brazilians and Cubans and without exception at least as far as the Cubans go, they were very respectful, incredibly well educated and polite with a deep understanding of politics especially world politics and the U.S rule in much of their discord- I guess with people like Che Guevara coming out of south America I am at a loss to encounter a fellow such as this guy. I take solace that my initial experience is the one that shaped my views al7mdullilah..

[Abu.Yusuf]

1-Do Muslims want to REPLACE the other systems by Sharia? If so, you are wrong.

I have nothing against people wanting to live by sharia, but forcing sharia to non muslims is absurd.

Even in muslim majority nations, forcing sharia is anti-democratic, people should not mix religion with state, state is for everybody.

2-I saw the protests in the muslim world against the anti-islamic movie made in usa. I think it was really stupid to say bad things about islam, but so what? Muslims are going wild because their religion was disrespected? Everybody should have freedom of speech, even if it hurts.

3-Muslims want sharia law for europe?

1. We believe the Shariah is the laws of the Creator and is the best solution for mankind - because it comes from the One who knows better than you and I or even the whole of mankind [forget majority]. The laws are beneficial for Muslims, non muslims, animals, land and sea.

and, although we don't believe in democracy, how is enforcing Shariah in Muslim majority country anti democratic? Isn't that what democracy is... majority rules.

2. 'but so what?'... I think you need to be careful when you say that. It is not just an attack on the Religion, as that happens on a regular basis. The video publicly and carelessly depicts the Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] in a disgusting manner. I think they got him [pbuh] mixed up with an american non Muslim because fornication, pornography and illegitimacy goes hand in hand with them.

and no we should not have freedom of speech, that is the root of many problems. People should not be free to sin and slander against God and His Messenger. People are on the property of God [earth] and should behave themselves. Im sure you wouldnt like it if i go to your house and start passing ill comments about your furniture, curtains, kitchen, toilet, wife, kids etc under the pretext of freedom of speech. The one who wouldnt mind is a person who has no sense of dignity and honour, and God is full of Dignity and Honour.

3. Yes. As said, is teh solution to mans problems as it comes from the creator. My advise, without making a long convo here, do not reject the whole of the Shariah just because you may not like some parts of it.

[aamirsaab]

1-Do Muslims want to REPLACE the other systems by Sharia? If so, you are wrong.

No

2-I saw the protests in the muslim world against the anti-islamic movie made in usa. I think it was really stupid to say bad things about islam, but so what? Muslims are going wild because their religion was disrespected? Everybody should have freedom of speech, even if it hurts.

Please view this table

3-Muslims want sharia law for europe?

Islamically speaking, Sharia law as a legal system cannot be introduced in any non-muslim country. So you have nothing to worry about.