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As Salamu Alaykum my question is Do Christians have a claim to Bitain or Europe or the West in general my opinion is No look at the link below thank you what does everyone think ? My point is that Islam is not alien to the West or to Europe.
Christianity originated not in the Great Britain but in the Middle East. The Christians migrated to Europe bringing their religion with them. Similarly, while Islam too, originated in the Middle East, Muslims migrated to Europe and all over the world. Today, Britain is a multi-faith society and Muslims are part of this society just as Christians and people of other faith.
If any one expects Muslims to go back to Middle East, then in all fairness, Christians must go back too because historically, Great Britain was the land of pagans before Romans invaded this country!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/4769410/Meet-four-women-who-have-converted-to-Islam.html
During the Saxon Wars, the Christian Frankish king Charlemagne waged war on the pagan Saxons for over 20 years, seeking to Christianize and rule the Saxons. During this period, the Saxons repeatedly refused Christianization and the rule of Charlemagne, and therefore rebelled frequently. In the year 782 of this period, Charlemagne is recorded as having massacred 4,500 rebel Saxon prisoners in Verden (the Massacre of Verden), and imposing legislation upon the subjected Saxons that including the penalty of death for refusing conversion to Christianity or for aiding pagans who did the same (such as the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae). While rebellions continued to take place even after his death (such as that of the Stellinga), Charlemagne succeeded in laying the groundwork for the Christianization of the Saxons, yet was unable to reach the Scandinavians, who remained pagan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Paganism
Is there any history of Islamic law in Britain?
The Archbishop of Canterbury is not the first person to suggest Britain should adopt certain aspects of the Muslim faith. In 1213, King John I, excommunicated by Catholic Europe and faced with a revolt by his own barons, turned to the only other regional power: that of Morocco.
He sent two envoys to meet the powerful King Mohammed en-Nasir to ask for his support to quell his restive barons. In exchange, King John offered to convert to Islam and to bring his kingdom into the faith as well. But the Moroccan ruler decided that a king who was prepared to betray his own religion and subjects would probably not make a good ally, and turned him down. The two knights were sent packing and King John I was forced to sign the Magna Carta.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/07/religion.world1
Is Britain a Christian country?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYd6k7peIwU
Richard Dawkins on the Big Debate 3 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjnL4HVoMU
[h=1]A Glimpse of Muslim Spain[/h]With the arrival of the Muslims in Spain, the once arid and illiterate land became the capital of European scholarship and agriculture, where people of all faiths were granted security under Muslim rule.
When you think of European culture, one of the first things that may come to
your mind is the renaissance. Many of the roots of European culture can be
traced back to that glorious time of art, science, commerce and architecture.
But did you know that long before the renaissance there was a place of
humanistic beauty in Muslim Spain? Not only was it artistic, scientific and
commercial, but it also exhibited incredible tolerance, imagination and poetry.
Muslims, as the Spaniards call the Muslims, populated Spain for nearly 700
years. As you’ll see, it was their civilization that enlightened Europe and
brought it out of the dark ages to usher in the renaissance. Many of their
cultural and intellectual influences still live with us today.
Way back during the eighth
century, Europe was still knee-deep in the Medieval period. That’s not the only
thing they were knee-deep in. In his book, “The Day The Universe Changed,” the
historian James Burke describes how the typical European townspeople lived:
“The inhabitants threw all their refuse into the drains in
the center of the narrow streets. The stench must have been overwhelming,
though it appears to have gone virtually unnoticed. Mixed with excrement and
urine would be the soiled reeds and straw used to cover the dirt floors. (p.
32)
This squalid society was
organized under a feudal system and had little that would resemble a commercial
economy. Along with other restrictions, the Catholic Church forbade the lending
of money - which didn’t help get things booming much. “Anti-Semitism,
previously rare, began to increase. Money lending, which was forbidden by the
Church, was permitted under Jewish law.” (Burke, 1985, p. 32) Jews worked to
develop a currency although they were heavily persecuted for it. Medieval
Europe was a miserable lot, which ran high in illiteracy, superstition,
barbarism and filth.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/522/
Is Islam or Christianity the best future for Britain? Peter Hitchens vs Ibrahim Mogra
Peter Hitchens is a well known journalist and Anglican Christian. Unlike his atheist brother Christopher, he believes Christianity is an essential bedrock for society. He says Islam will fill the spiritual vaccuum of Britain if secularists have their way.
Ibrahim Mogra represents the Muslim Council of Britain. He says that Muslims are only interested in living harmoniously within society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPn-_S-0wGk
Christianity originated not in the Great Britain but in the Middle East. The Christians migrated to Europe bringing their religion with them. Similarly, while Islam too, originated in the Middle East, Muslims migrated to Europe and all over the world. Today, Britain is a multi-faith society and Muslims are part of this society just as Christians and people of other faith.
If any one expects Muslims to go back to Middle East, then in all fairness, Christians must go back too because historically, Great Britain was the land of pagans before Romans invaded this country!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/4769410/Meet-four-women-who-have-converted-to-Islam.html
During the Saxon Wars, the Christian Frankish king Charlemagne waged war on the pagan Saxons for over 20 years, seeking to Christianize and rule the Saxons. During this period, the Saxons repeatedly refused Christianization and the rule of Charlemagne, and therefore rebelled frequently. In the year 782 of this period, Charlemagne is recorded as having massacred 4,500 rebel Saxon prisoners in Verden (the Massacre of Verden), and imposing legislation upon the subjected Saxons that including the penalty of death for refusing conversion to Christianity or for aiding pagans who did the same (such as the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae). While rebellions continued to take place even after his death (such as that of the Stellinga), Charlemagne succeeded in laying the groundwork for the Christianization of the Saxons, yet was unable to reach the Scandinavians, who remained pagan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Paganism
Is there any history of Islamic law in Britain?
The Archbishop of Canterbury is not the first person to suggest Britain should adopt certain aspects of the Muslim faith. In 1213, King John I, excommunicated by Catholic Europe and faced with a revolt by his own barons, turned to the only other regional power: that of Morocco.
He sent two envoys to meet the powerful King Mohammed en-Nasir to ask for his support to quell his restive barons. In exchange, King John offered to convert to Islam and to bring his kingdom into the faith as well. But the Moroccan ruler decided that a king who was prepared to betray his own religion and subjects would probably not make a good ally, and turned him down. The two knights were sent packing and King John I was forced to sign the Magna Carta.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/07/religion.world1
Is Britain a Christian country?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYd6k7peIwU
Richard Dawkins on the Big Debate 3 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjnL4HVoMU
[h=1]A Glimpse of Muslim Spain[/h]With the arrival of the Muslims in Spain, the once arid and illiterate land became the capital of European scholarship and agriculture, where people of all faiths were granted security under Muslim rule.
When you think of European culture, one of the first things that may come to
your mind is the renaissance. Many of the roots of European culture can be
traced back to that glorious time of art, science, commerce and architecture.
But did you know that long before the renaissance there was a place of
humanistic beauty in Muslim Spain? Not only was it artistic, scientific and
commercial, but it also exhibited incredible tolerance, imagination and poetry.
Muslims, as the Spaniards call the Muslims, populated Spain for nearly 700
years. As you’ll see, it was their civilization that enlightened Europe and
brought it out of the dark ages to usher in the renaissance. Many of their
cultural and intellectual influences still live with us today.
Way back during the eighth
century, Europe was still knee-deep in the Medieval period. That’s not the only
thing they were knee-deep in. In his book, “The Day The Universe Changed,” the
historian James Burke describes how the typical European townspeople lived:
“The inhabitants threw all their refuse into the drains in
the center of the narrow streets. The stench must have been overwhelming,
though it appears to have gone virtually unnoticed. Mixed with excrement and
urine would be the soiled reeds and straw used to cover the dirt floors. (p.
32)
This squalid society was
organized under a feudal system and had little that would resemble a commercial
economy. Along with other restrictions, the Catholic Church forbade the lending
of money - which didn’t help get things booming much. “Anti-Semitism,
previously rare, began to increase. Money lending, which was forbidden by the
Church, was permitted under Jewish law.” (Burke, 1985, p. 32) Jews worked to
develop a currency although they were heavily persecuted for it. Medieval
Europe was a miserable lot, which ran high in illiteracy, superstition,
barbarism and filth.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/522/
Is Islam or Christianity the best future for Britain? Peter Hitchens vs Ibrahim Mogra
Peter Hitchens is a well known journalist and Anglican Christian. Unlike his atheist brother Christopher, he believes Christianity is an essential bedrock for society. He says Islam will fill the spiritual vaccuum of Britain if secularists have their way.
Ibrahim Mogra represents the Muslim Council of Britain. He says that Muslims are only interested in living harmoniously within society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPn-_S-0wGk
