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revert88
A Salaam Alaikum Hamza,
There are a few things I am unsure about and if you want to address me in PM that is okay too but I will list them for all to see.
1) I was a born again christian (believe jesus christ is my savior, the son of god and died for my sins). It is something I am having a problem with letting go. I believe he is the christ, the messiah... Must I abandon this?
2)Some of the Hadith to me seem very confusing. For example, Umar had a ban on Hadith...
3) When it comes to gay people I will always disagree with what some hadith has to say. In the Qur'an there is no exact description for punishment. Also for a woman who commits adultery I disagree with it highly. There are a variety of hadith I just don't agree with and I don't think I ever could. I am a Behavioral Neuroscientist by trade and I can guarantee that gay people do not choose and if they are adopting kids and having loving families, I support that. There are numerous factual scientific studies supporting that gay parents a great parents (their children grow up HETEROSEXUAL) and modern psychology and development science agree that being gay is not a choice and is not a disease. I have also heard that out of the authentic hadith there is no clear punishment and it has been left up to mahdahbs
4) I grew up Jewish and there seems to be alot of anti jewish sentiment like people believing the protocols of the elders of zion are true or that Jews control the media. None of that is true so why is that perpetuated?
If I can maintain my belief that jesus is the christ, that some hadith really dont make sense (or prove me otherwise), that being gay is not punishable by death ( OUTSIDE of a hadith) and that they can be accepted, and that jews are not evil I will convert right now. Otherwise I don't know. I'm not trying to troll these are legitimate concerns of mine.
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1) My brother firstly Almighty Allah the exalted clearly refers to Jesus in the Qur'an as the "Messiah". The word Messiah in Hebrew is 'maw-shee-akh'. In Arabic it is "Maseeh". This basically means the "Annointed" and "Appointed". This refers to the fact that Jesus (Peace be upon him) came into this world out of his mother's womb, naturally and divinely anointed with oil and was divinely appointed by God as one of his greatest Prophets. If you believe in the words of Jesus (Pbuh) then you will believe in him as a great Prophet of God and NOT God because there is not one single statement in his words or that of the word of God that refers to him as God.
How can Jesus be GOD Almighty in the light of the following verses?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for GOD's Forgiveness in Luke 23:34? Please visit How can Jesus be GOD Almighty when he asked for GOD's Forgiveness?
If Jesus was GOD, then why Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
If Jesus was GOD, then did Paul say in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?
Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD Almighty is Good: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see: Jesus' crucifixion in Islam
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was asked about the truth?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus? Also see GOD's Spirit in the many others beside Jesus.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew 5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him and give him mercy by saving him from death?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 1:18 he said "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER'S side, has made HIM known." Where do you see Trinity in this Verse?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 5:37 he said "And the FATHER who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS form," Jesus and the GOD are different. People heard Jesus, but never heard GOD.
Also The "Son" title also given to others beside Jesus:
How come Christians take the "God's Son" title literally with Jesus and they don't take it literally for the rest of the prophets and people who were called the Sons of God?
In John 3:16 Jesus was called God's only Begotten Son.
In Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Israel was called God's First Son.
In Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim is God's First Son and First Born.
In Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." David was called God's Begotten Son.
Also Jesus' Miracles were not unique in the Bible:
If Jesus is believed to be GOD because he could do miracles, he could heal leprosy, he could cause blind men to see, or raise the dead, then what about the others who performed the same miracles?
Elisha and Elijah fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn (2 Kings 4:44). Elisha told Naaman, who was a leper, to wash in the river Jordan (2 Kings 5:14) and he was healed. Elisha caused a blind man to see in (2 Kings 6:17,20). Elijah and Elisha raised the dead in (1 Kings 17:22, and 2 Kings 4:34). Even Elisha's dead bones restored a dead body in (2 Kings 13:21). Indeed Jesus had prophesied that people will worship him uselessly and will believe in doctrines not made by GOD but by men "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:9)"
In Matthew 15:9 above, we see Jesus warning that Trinity (the bogus lie) will dominate, and people will take Jesus as GOD and worship him, which is a total sin according to what Jesus said !!.
Allah Almighty (GOD) in the Noble Quran (The Muslims' Holy Scripture) states in Verse 5:72 "They do blaspheme who say: 'God is Christ the son of Mary.' But said Christ: 'O Children of Israel ! worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' "
Also in Noble Verse 5:73 "They do blaspheme who say God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them."
And also in Noble Verse 4:171 "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, ..."
Also let us talk about the trinity. Where, specifically, in the Gospel does Jesus (PBUH!) mention the Trinity?
(If you find no such reference from his lips to a god residing in three persons -- and you will not -- then perhaps you will be moved to consider the following questions:)
2- How could Jesus (PBUH!) possibly have omitted to mention something of such extraordinary importance?
* How could the authors of the four Gospels have made the same extraordinary omission?
(For no direct reference to the Trinity appears in any chapter or verse of any of the four Gospels. It is a patching-on from a later era.)
3- Why does Jesus (PBUH!) in the Lord's prayer address the Lord as "Father" and then refer to the Father's children throughout as "Us" and "We," instead of separating himself from the rest of the children of God, as the Trinity would seem to demand?
4- And the big question: If redemption through the blood of Christ, that one member of the Trinity, is all that is necessary for salvation, how are we to explain the many, many occasions in the Gospel that Jesus (PBUH!) details the necessity of submitting directly to the One God -- without ever mentioning the role of his (Jesus', PBUH!) redeeming blood?
So let me ask you my brother: Are these not extraordinary teachings? Are they not central to the ministry of Jesus (PBUH!)? And must we not confront dozens of them in order to defend the Trinity and the notion of the sacrificial Christ?
So if you truly believe in Jesus in accordance with what he has referred himself as and that which God has referred to him as then this is the same as how he has been referred to in the Qur'an.
Referances: Taken from AnswerChristianity
2) My brother firstly you should stop looking into anti Islamic websites and Shiah websites for information on Islam as they will always give you such information out of context as with everything things must be taken and seen in context. Umar (Ra) did not ban hadith for his companions to write but he banned it for himself as he first intended on writing a book of Sunnah's but after much thought decided against it for the reasons that other may looks deeply into it more and end up neglecting the Qur'an. This was because at the time there was only one copy of the Qur'an and if he decided to write a book of Sunnah's then people may have confused the two and so as a leader he decided against writing it as he was a very God fearing man but he never banned others writing it. In fact he encouraged it:
Umar (Ra) said: ''Preserve Knwoledge by writing it down''
(Darimi, Hakim, Jami' Biyan-ul-'Ilm).
See how things become clear once one has gained the correct knowledge on any matter.
3) Firstly there is no punishments for being gay or homosexual. The act is evil but the person who commits such an act is not evil as such just like if a person commits any evil then it does not make them inheritly evil. The punishment is only for actually acting out homosexual activities with a person of the same gender if caught with clear evidence and proof. Let us see what the punishment for sodomy is in Christianity:
"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
(From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:13)"
Clearly in Christianity its the same punishment. If both are caught red handed then they are put to death. Such an act has to have a harsh penalty because it is against the very nature of humankind. It is against reproduction and the normal nature of procreation and spouses. It is also biologically wrong. Sodomy is the cause of many extremely dangerous and even deadly diseases.
Also there is no gay gene. Secondly there is no scientific evidences linking homosexuality to ones genetic makeup. It is a learned behaviour. May behavioural scientists actually link homosexuality to either abuse at a young age or a difficult or bad relationship with the Father. Also many homosexuals have reverted back to heterosexuality proving that this is a behaviour that can be overcome just like any behaviour can be overcome with effort and perseverance. No one has said anything about Gay people being bad parents. This is just about the act of homosexuality which is the main issue. There are many people who do have such tendencies but do not act upon it. This is because it may be a test for many people just like people have illnesses or many other behavioural problems and issues. But as with any test it can be overcome after much perseverance and many who have homosexual tendencies live normal heterosexual lives with partners and children because they realise it is a test and people are tested in all sorts of ways. As long as they abstain and overcome such tendencies and desires then they will be rewarded accordingly inshallah.
Regarding what you said about adultery then again the punishment is the same according to Christianity:
Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."
It is not just women adulterers who are put to death but it is the same for men so equality is not even in the equation. This has to do with acting as a deterrent against this heinous sin just as the punishments prescribed by God although they may seem very harsh but the purpose for the harshness has to do with deterring people from committing the act in the first place. Even in the UK where I'm from many non Muslims want capital punishment back because the punishments for murder and other terrible crimes are far too lenient. Also there have been numerous cases of normal everyday professional upstanding members of the community who have killed partners who have cheated out of sheer anger. Adultery ruins lives and scars people. It is also a big cause of suicide. Therefore it deserves a harsh punishment to deter people from it in the first place but in our highly sexualised societies this heinous sin is rapidly increased and will continue to increase.
Also according to Shariah in order to prove a woman guilty of lewdness in the first place there have to be 4 reliable witnesses present to prove her guilty of the sin. This is extremely difficult because the court needs at least four reliable witnesses to prove that she actually committed a sin by having illegal sex. So the woman is innocent until 4 witnesses are presented to prove that she is guilty of sin.
4) Regarding your last question then it is wrong to attack any race or religion or label anyone with a particular label. But what is clear is that Zionism and Judaism although Zionists claim to follow Judaism but are actually a politically motivated group rather than follow the scriptures like the orthodox Jews. What is also apparent is that in Israel itself there is a massive divide between orthodox Jews, secularists and the Zionists. Orthodox Jews are actually against the terrible practises of the Zionists with regards to the terrible way the Zionists treat the Palestinians. There is no doubt that they are terrible aggressors and will stop at nothing until they totally take the whole of the Palestinians land. However they are very different to orthodox Jews who follow the scriptures and confirm that what the zionists are doing by constantly building on Palestinian land is totally wrong and against the scriptures of orthodox Judaism:
Please watch the following:
An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=etXAm-OylQQ
Orthodox Jews protest against Zionism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=IapWP8hq9Mc
With regards to the media then it is clear that the Zionists do have a monopoly on the media in order to spread their evil ideas and try and defame Islam and Muslims which they do on almost a daily basis in the media:
Zionist control of the media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iN_zYkJFXjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjt8eoAIaqU
Another major issue especially in the US is the amount of control the Zionist lobby groups have over American policies both domestic and foreign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KL3prJMhDuo
So if you ask are Jews the problem then I say no because orthodox Jews who follow the scripture are not the problem but it is the Zionists who are the problem for they are a movement motivated by pure greed and evil and think it is acceptable to treat the Palestinians worse than animals if it means that they will achieve their objectives.
If you have anymore questions then please do not hesitate to ask.