Islam & dropshipping

[hasan52]

salam wa alaikum -Brothers and Sisters . I Am new To this forum and have a very Important Question To do with my current Situation Regarding Islamic Business Transactions.
I Would Like to Invest In A Business And sell A load of Products Online and i would Like to Use a Method Which Is called Dropshipping Which I know Is Not Permissible In Islam .
Most of you Will Know What dropshipping is , for Those Who Dont - its basically a product that you sell which You do Not phsyically Posess for e.g buy sell for (£12), once it is Sold
You then ( Seller ) Purchase The Product From the manufacturer or wholesaler Yourself for.eg (£10)
, they Then (manufacturer or wholesaler) Ship the Product Directly To Your Customer - With out You Physically having it . and The Profit Being £2 for Yourself. -
Now i know the Hadeeth Says "DO NOT SELL THAT WHICH YOU DO NOT POSSES" - which Is fine - However i Do know They are some halal Alternatives And way Around This - For example Transforming it
In to a salam transaction - where you receive payment first - then buy the product - which you then pyhysically posess yourself and delivering Goods to the customer - Other allternative Is to Act As a broker/agent And Gain
Comission On these Types Of transaction. Now i have Searched Other Forums LIKE " ASKIMAM.ORG AND ISLAMQA.ORG " And they Say direct Dropshipping Is not permissble Unless You Turn It in to a salam Transaction And You State To the Customer That The goods Are Not physically With You and that
You Are ADVERTISING These Products And will arrange For Its delivery But do Not physically Posses The Product Themselves.This Wil then Qualify For You to Have The wholesale Or manufacturer Post/ship Directly To the customer Without You Physically Posessing. (As Your verifying to customer You Do Not have the Product Yourself)
the Item Along with turning It in to salam transaction If You Understand What I am trying to say . I need Confirmation If this Is allowed Before I go in To this Business. As Other Types Of Income Like affiliate Marketing which That do Have a similiar Strategy To this
are Allowed Becuase In affiliate Marketing You are Advertising TThe Product - and once it sells - You gain a commision - Again without You touching The product of phsyically Having or shipping it WHICH IS HALAL because
You are simply Advertising it . Now thats what these forums Are saying where as if you turn it in to explaning You are advertising this Product and will arrange for its delivery iT WILL BECOME PERMISSIBLE.
Obviously The difference between this and affiliate Marketing Is that They Pay You first and then You Pay the wholesaler for the product and To ship direct customer - where as affilate
i think it goes direct to the Core seller and then you get a commision Becuase You advertised it succesffully Hence The sale . the Point im trying to make is that - with
affilaite Marketing - You do not touch the Products or have anything to do with it - But is halal - why? Becuase You are Just advertising the products to gain a commision if it sells through your advert.
Dropshipping In a way is a little Different - But does It become Halal if i say to the customer along the lines of - "you will be paying for the delivery of these good which i can arrange For You" -
As im Not saying i phsyically Have Them - as the hadith says "Do Not sell that which You do not posess" I wont Be saying I posess these Items - I Will be telling them the truth that they
will be paying for the service Of Me arranging These Products to be delivered to them . Also - For my Effort and time - services - would This Be allowed tO sell and gain Profit as My services - time and
effort Are being Used for basically - i could Add My profit On top of the Wholesale Price to sell to the customer becuase of My services - time and effort. Would all This BE allowed
in the shariah To use any of these reasons for me to start this Business .
Any comments And Posts and opinions Would Be welcomed and appreciated . But i would Also Like a scholar To inform Me if Any of these reasons Would Be allowed . If so Or if Not- could anyone or
any scholar Provide Me on detailed alternatives and Steps On something simialir Which is halal - Or maybe Tweak and change a few Steps In this exact Procedure to make it halal.


I would really greatly APPREICATE IT if i could Get a reply as I have Been stressing over this Topic.
Also below is The Link - Of the forums Who said its Permissble Unless you State You Will have delivery of good arranged for them and that You do Not phsycially Have it .




This is what askimam and islamqa had to say


"In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
As-salamu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullahi wa-barakatuh.
1-Drop Shipping works in two different ways. The way expressed in the question is not clear. Hereunder are the two ways in which drop shipping is normally done.
Seller “A” advertises an item on the website such as e-bay. “A” does not have the item in his possession at the time of the advertisement. Purchaser “B” answers to this advertisement and places his order by paying the amount to “A”. Once “A” receives the order and payment into his account either via Paypal or a similar service, “A” further places an order to the wholesale merchant (drop shipper) “C” at a wholesale price. “C” then dispatches the merchandise to “B” while “A” keeps the difference of listed price and wholesale price as his profit.
This way of drop-shipping is not permissible since “A” is selling an item which is not in his possession.[1]
The shariah compliant alternative for this form of drop-shipping is to do the transaction through the model of “Salam”. In Salam after receiving the money, “A” (muslam ilayh) will purchase the item from the wholesaler “C” and then make “C” his agent to deliver the item to “B”. The process would remain same except for that the following information will have to be explicitly advertised.
· Seller “A” would have to pronounce in his advertisement beforehand that he is not in possession of the item and will arrange its delivery once the rabbul maal “B” has paid the money.
· Complete description of the item being sold will have to be advertised.
· The time duration for delivery will have to be advertised.


JZk khair Everyone

[ardianto]

Wa'alaikumsalam, brother Hasan.

There was a bad habit among some traders during the time of Rasulullah. When they found customer seek some goods which not available, they told the customers that they could provide the goods that they want. These traders took money from the customers and started to seek these goods.

This is what called "selling something that not under possession". This is impermissible, of course, because it could turn into fraud. Imagine if after the traders took money, the goods were not available?.

And how about dropshipping?.

Dropshipping is system of sales which the goods owner give authority to other party as retailer to promote, offer, and sell these goods to the customers. If a customer want to buy something. the customer can order and pay through to retailer. Then the retailer give this money to the goods owner, in accordance to the amount that the goods owner must receive. Then the goods owner send the goods to the customer.

Is it permissible?. Does it fall into "selling something that not under possession"?.

There is method in Fiqh which called "Qiyas" (analogy). Now notice, in dropshipping the retailer hold an authority from the goods owner to sell the products. So, if we use Qiyas, position of the retailer in this matter is same as sales representative of the goods owner. Same as salesman who work in a company, and there is no prohibition to work as salesman.

Different than if the retailer does not hold authority from the goods owner as sales representative.

About payment. The retailer in dropshipping actually does not buy products from the owner, but just hold an authority to receive payment, then give this payment to the goods owner in amount that according to the agreement which the retailer can take the profit. This is permissible if there is agreement between the products owner and the retailer. It's not different than authority that given to the sales representative to take payment from the customers.

Conclusion: dropshipping is permissible, but any party should not violate agreement that can make transaction become impermissible.

The violation that can be happen in the retailer party are
- The retailer tell the customers that he/she is the goods owner, not just sales representative.
- The retailer sell goods that not available.

So my advice to avoid these violations is

- Do not ever lie to the customers which you tell them that these goods are belong to you.

- Always contact the goods owner before making transaction to make sure that the product which your customer wants is available. Tell them to reserve this goods for your customer. So, although the goods is not belong to you, if the goods has reserved for your customer, this goods technically is under your possession.

Hopefully it will help. :)

[ardianto]

I'm sorry if I used few wrong words. In example, I use "customer" instead of "consumer/buyer", or "retailer" instead of "reseller". It's because my habit, and English is not my first language.

[hasan52]

JAAKALLAH AT Adrianto - Aprreciate the reply - so in essence it is allowed - but you have to state that your basically an agaent and can arrange delivery for the goods - also you mentioned about there must be an agreement from the manufacturer and the retailer -
what about if i saw something on another site which was cheap - and wanted to sell it on my site - and i still mention that i will arrange delivery and and do not hold physical goods - yet there is no contact agreement between me and the manufacturer - but once the buyer has bought it - i will straight away purchase the product and give the buyers adress to the manfucaturer so he can send directly to the customer . if all goes well and successfull - would this still be permissble ? jazakallah
also dont worry about your english - its probably better then mine and im from england haha!!

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[hasan52]

Hi yes i did - My reply Was Jzk Khair - for reply - So in conclusion Dropshipping Is halal as Long as You have a contract with the wholesaler and that you have to specifically state You dont have the goods and that you can arrange the goods to be delivered? also few More questions - can You dropship with a wholesaler which they dont have knowledge - for e.g. you sell some good which you recive payment for and the buyer knows you dont have the goods and that you will arrange for delivery - but the wholesale you are getting it from does Not know its dropshipping - im just getting it from him . but me and the buyer knows exactly whats going on - just the wholesale does Not which is kind of irrelevant.
and do not worry my English is probably worse and im from england haha
jzk

[ardianto]

Dropshipping require a contract between the wholesaler who have the goods and the reseller who sell the goods. So, in this matter the position of the reseller is representative of the wholesaler. Not different than salesman who become representative of the company in selling goods to the buyer. Without contract, this is not dropshipping, or at least, not a legal dropshipping.

In dropshipping, if the reseller get an order, the reseller must tell the wholesaler about this order. And after the buyer make a payment, the wholesaler deliver the goods to the buyer. So, delivery process is arranged by the wholesaler, not the reseller. The payment process itself is depend on the agreement. There are wholesaler that obligate the buyer to pay directly to the wholesaler bank account, there are wholesaler that allow the reseller to receive payment and then send it to the wholesaler bank account. It's permissible because under agreement.

also few More questions - can You dropship with a wholesaler which they dont have knowledge - for e.g. you sell some good which you recive payment for and the buyer knows you dont have the goods and that you will arrange for delivery - but the wholesale you are getting it from does Not know its dropshipping - im just getting it from him . but me and the buyer knows exactly whats going on - just the wholesale does Not which is kind of irrelevant.

Do you mean you promote and offer other party goods although you don't have contract/agreement with the goods owner?.

This is not permissible because this is a speculation. Imagine if after you get a buyer, the goods owner refuse to sell his goods to you?. The reason behind prohibition to sell something that we don't posses is this speculative factor.

We are not allowed to sell other party goods, but we are allowed to become representative of the goods owner to sell something. Of course, with agreement between us and the goods owner.

[Abz2000]

Assalamu'alaikum wr wb,

I would advise you to carefully read through "the book of barter" available in Sahih Muslim and Bukhari which will inshaAllah clarify many points and give you a decent criterion to judge by.


http://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/010_smt.html

Bear in mind that almost every transaction is different and most have similarities, your task is to be sincere and do your best to gain knowledge and utilize it.
Its also not just a one size case of drop shipping and depends on what you're selling as can be seen here:

Sahih Muslim
Book 10, Number 3635:Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who buys a goat with its udder tied up has the option to retain the goat if he so desires or return it within three days, and in case he returns it he should do so along with a sa'a of dates.

Here are some points to consider:

1.
The promissory notes you are forced to withdraw are unlawful to begin with and your only excuse is inability (though God's earth is vast), which immediately presses the need to support khilafah and turn to physical gold and silver coin and other real commodities.

Book 10, Number 3652:
Abu Huraira (Allah be please with him) is reported to have said to Marwan: Have you made lawful the transactions involving usury?
Thereupon Marwan said: I have not done that.
Thereupon Abu Huraira (may peace be upon him) said: You have made lawful the transactions with the help of documents only, whereas Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade the transaction of foodgrains until full possession is taken of them. Marwan then addressed the people and forbade them to enter into such transactions (as are done with the help of documents). Sulaiman said: I saw the sentinels snatching (these documents) from the people.

2.
People were allowed to take payment for ripe fruits in advance as long as it was for a fixed measure of fruit for a fixed measure of gold or silver.
(i recall there was something about the quality too).


3.
Carpenters and similar contractors often have and do bargain a price of a finished item/building/road/bridge with material included, i am unsure of the permissibility.
Though the transaction is obviously clearer if one separartes the price of goods from labour.

4.
In todays age of global online marketing (which is a benefit) many things need to be debated by scholars to see what fits with the spirit of Islam, and this is difficult to do sincerely and thoroughly when scholars toe the line under kafir and munafiq governments - hence the need to support the khilafah and begin the process of mending.

Again- reading the book of barter clarifies much if you are able to see clear contextual similarities, for instance, the islamic ruling on casting selling (without touching) is applied by ebay (probably via intellect) in that they give 7 days on "buy it now" to ensure the customer is satisfied with the item (last time i checked) and "not as described" even in auction etc.

mutual exceptions can be made in certain circumstances to give additional facility provided both the buyer and seller are not seeking to cheat each other.


Book 10, Number 3656:
Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying :
Both parties in a business transaction have the right to annul it so long as they have not separated; except in transactions which have been made subject to the right of parties to annul them.

May Allah give you success in sincerely researching and trading, and leaving the forbidden for the sake of Allah and trusting in His wisdom.

Peace.

[ardianto]

What is dropshipping and how it work?. I'll give an illustration.

I produce t-shirts, my friend an internet marketer and he is interested to sell my t-shirts in internet. Then we make agreement. My friend promote and offer my products in his website. If he can get buyer I will give him commision.

A buyer who visit his website interested to buy my t-shirt. Then my friend tell me about this order. I prepare the item that the buyer want and tell my friend that this item has ready. My friend make transaction, and the buyer send the payment to my bank account. After I receive the payment I send this t-shirt to the buyer, directly from my shop.

My friend position in this business is marketer and also salesman. When he promote and offer my products, he is a marketer. And he does sales because he make transaction, as my representative. But he can make transaction only after I told him that the item which the buyer want is ready. So in this matter there is guarantee that the goods is available when the transaction happen.

After transaction I send the goods directly to the buyer adress without involve my friend. In dropshipping, the goods send directly to the buyer by the goods owner. This is why this system called drop shipping. Different than in multi level marketing which the goods send to the marketer and the marketer send again it to the buyer.

Of course, if something happen in shipping process like the goods lost or damaged, or the goods is different that what the buyer want, this is fully responsibility of the goods owner, not the marketer.

I hope this illustration can give clear image of dropshipping.

My side job is internet marketer. But I only promote digital products (ebook and program). While my main job is courier agent of a big courier company in Indonesia. Around a half of packages that send through my office are goods online shops. Yes, I have much customers from online shops which some of them have marketers through dropshipping system. I never meet those marketers because the package always sent by the online shop owners. By the way, mostly of those online shop owners and marketers are female.

[Abz2000]

I recall once buying a necklace from a jeweller in Makkah and i offered him pounds as i didn't have enough riyals.

He immediately held it up in the air and said: hadha amaanah.
It seemed he was protecting himself from the risk of falling into usury by holding it as a trust until he converted it. Seemed like a wise move in the circumstances.

[llogari]

eslalamualjkum muslim brother
i have long time in researching for dropshipping i started dropshipping affter read your comment but i need for someone to talk more about dropshipping in your free time can you sent me your gmail o facebook name hasan 52 and ardianto
i am waitting your response and wa sallamu aljkum

[llogari]

eslalamualjkum muslim brother
i have long time in researching for dropshipping i started dropshipping affter read your comment but i need for someone to talk more about dropshipping in your free time can you sent me your gmail o facebook name hasan 52 and ardianto
i am waitting your response and wa sallamu aljkum

[ardianto]

eslalamualjkum muslim brother
i have long time in researching for dropshipping i started dropshipping affter read your comment but i need for someone to talk more about dropshipping in your free time can you sent me your gmail o facebook name hasan 52 and ardianto
i am waitting your response and wa sallamu aljkum

Assalamualaikum, brother. Welcome to the forum.

I am not a dropshipper and not owner of an online store. I am the owner of a courier agent which some of my clients are online stores. They use my service to send their goods to the buyers. Some of those online stores implement droshipping system. If I know about dropshipping, it's because I am also an affilate marketer and I have observed dropshipping.

If you want to discuss about dropshipping or about business in internet you can discuss in this forum. So other people can contribute too in discussion. In Shaa Allah, we will gain more knowledge about business in internet.

:)

[llogari]

thanks my brother
I started dropshiping i know listing but i have problem for now to find supplier , what i need to doing to bay list of supplier or to make list
i need for someone to advice about dropshipping
i search any muslim dropshiper to cooperate and talk with them.can you help me to find any muslim dropshiper.
thanks ardianto

[ardianto]

thanks my brother
I started dropshiping i know listing but i have problem for now to find supplier , what i need to doing to bay list of supplier or to make list
i need for someone to advice about dropshipping
i search any muslim dropshiper to cooperate and talk with them.can you help me to find any muslim dropshiper.
thanks ardianto

Due to difference of location I can't tell you where to find supplier. What I can tell you is how to find supplier.

In which position are you?. The online store owner?, or the dropshipper that offer the online store's goods?.

If you are the online store owner you can order home industries near you to produce goods that you want to sell like t-shirt, shoes, bags. You need to have your own design. You need to have stock which it's mean you need to have enough capital, although actually you also can offer goods by order. I mean, you receive an order first, then you tell your supplier to make the goods which ordered. One of my client sell shoes through this way. Of course you must honest that the goods which you offer are not ready stock, but the buyer must wait.

If you are in position which you just offer goods from online stores, then you can get suppliers through contact the online stores. Just browse the web. Some of online stores announce openly that they accept dropshipper who want to join. Some do not announce openly. In online stores that announce openly you just fill application and then you can start work. In online stores that do not announce openly you must contact them, talk with them, then they will consider. All of my online stores client do not announce openly, but they accept people who want to become their dropshipper. Of course, not every online store accept dropshipper.

[llogari]

thanks for respone
yes i research about types of dropshipping i like broker dropshiper i sell item of whosaler i listing in auctions in ecommerce website an i sell product i take some % from selling
Does this method works

[ardianto]

thanks for respone
yes i research about types of dropshipping i like broker dropshiper i sell item of whosaler i listing in auctions in ecommerce website an i sell product i take some % from selling
Does this method works

The right question in business is not "will it work?", but "how to make it work?'. You must not think "if I sell shoes, will people buy?", but you must think "I want to sell shoes. Then, how to make people buy?". Then try to find the right method of marketing and sales.

Back to dropshipping. Actually your main challenge is not getting the suppliers, but getting the buyers. There are many suppliers that need help from people to sell their products. Many of those product actually can 'sell themselves'. So what you need to do is display those products in your site. And people who see those products will buy if they regard those products as good, and the price is worth. But people will never buy products that you offer if they never see those products.

Indeed, you need to have a website to display the offered products. If you offer 'hard products' like clothes or bag, you need to display their photos. If you offer 'soft products' like program or e-book, you need to give information about benefit of those products. You can use paid website, or free blogspot (wordpress is forbidden for business), or you can even use facebook.

Now, how to get buyer?.

One thing you need to know. Internet world is different than the real world. In the real world, if you wanted to sell burger, you could build a burger stall beside a street where people pass on it. People who pass would see your burger stall, and then they would be interested to buy. But in internet you cannot expect the passerby.

The common mistake of people who try business in internet is they think like business in the real world. They make attractive websites, but they don't do something to redirect internet users to visit their websites. So, there's no visitor, there's no sales. Yes bro, in internet you cannot expect people will accidentaly see your website and then visit, but you must redirect the visitors to visit your website.

At least there are three methods to redirect visitors. First is advertise your website. Through advertisment many people will know your website. But I do not suggest it for beginners because it need cost that usually is big.

The second is 'play' with search engine. Maybe you have heard that with the right keyword, your website will appear in good position in search engine. It's true. But actually you must 'play' with words too, not just with keyword. Do you know?, what make people visit a website is not its position in search engine, but the excerpt that show information about this website, and often quoted from the article in this website. If you use paid website then you can use SEO plugin. There are paid SEO plugins, there are free SEO plugins.

The third method is active in social medias, like facebook, where you can meet and acquainted with people, then you can invite them to visit your website. majority of dropshipper of my online store clients use this method. You can try this method too, bro.

Yeah, business in internet is not as easy as people assume. You have to always learn and improve your business skill. And my advice is, do not see this difficulty as barrier, but see it as challenge.

May Allah give easiness in your dropshiiping business. :)

[llogari]

thanks ardianto
can you sent my any muslim dropshiper from indonesia to talk in gmail or facebook
i will talk more to learn more abour dropshiping

[ardianto]

thanks ardianto
can you sent my any muslim dropshiper from indonesia to talk in gmail or facebook
i will talk more to learn more abour dropshiping

I am sorry brother, due to privacy reason I can't give you private access to few online seller who I know. But if you want to learn more about dropshipping you can visit or join dropshipper forum. There are few dropshipper forums which you can find in the web. I have visited some of those forums. It's okay if you want to learn from those forums. Although they are non-Muslims, they don't teach something that against Islam.

:)

[llogari]

thank ardianto ok can you sent my url or name or dropship forums

[llogari]

thank ardianto ok can you sent my url or name or dropship forums

assalamualjkum ardianto
i find somethink some dropshipper forum but this forum not are very helpful for me can you advice me how i can find whosaler suppliers and how i can find visitors
i hope that soon to getting started

[llogari]

assalamualjkum ardianto
i find something some droppshiper forum but not are very helpful i thing soon i will getting started i have two question were i can find whosaler supplier and were i can find byers
i am waiting your advice from macedonia

[ardianto]

assalamualjkum ardianto
i find something some droppshiper forum but not are very helpful i thing soon i will getting started i have two question were i can find whosaler supplier and were i can find byers
i am waiting your advice from macedonia

Wa'alaikumsalam. Sorry for late reply.

At first I will explain. There are two kind of commodities that you can sell in the web, "soft commodity" such as computer programs or e-book, and "hard commodity" such as clothes, bag, etc. And there is difference in selling these two kind of commodities.

"Soft commodity" is not limited by country's border because it sent electronically through internet. So, although you live in Macedonia, you still can sell e-book from vendor in USA to a buyer in Australia.

"Hard commodity" affected by country's border because this is real goods the need to be sent through vehicle. And if it sent to another country, it will become object of export-import rule. This is why mostly of online stores do not serve shipping to other countries.

You can find suppliers in your country in web. You can find through typing some keyword like "online store" or "selling handbag" (in your national language, not English). I don't know about online stores in your country, but in my country some online stores announce that they accept dropshipper.

Or maybe you are interested to sell "soft commodities" like e-book or computer programs which your market is not limited by country's border?. I recommend www.clickbank.com

How to find buyers?. You can read again post #17

I myself now planning to build online store and I will use dropshipping system for marketing, but only for Indonesian market. How I get suppliers?. I will contact few producers in my place to make products with model that special only for my online store. Indeed, need enough capital to build online store.

[llogari]

asalamualjkum ardianto
I am from Macedonia and you work with shipping goods in indonesia I want to know if I can ship goods which i sell online from online auctions,
I don't know if shiping agency or post is working in macedonia i want to ship goods from macedonia but i dont know if i can.
Can you advice about this

[ardianto]

Wa'alaikumsalam Llogari. I am sorry for late reply.

I am just an agent of Indonesia based courier service company that more focus to domestic shipping and doesn't have office in Macedonia. But I think courier service companies in Macedonia are working too.

Or maybe you want to send package to other countries?. If you send a package to another country, then this shipment is classified as export and must follow the rule of export and import. It's means your package probably cannot enter the destination country without special document. Indeed, for commodities that barred to enter another country, the courier service company will refuse to send because they don't want to get problem like must send back the package to the origin country. Also, if your package can enter the destination country, probably the receiver must pay the entrance tax before he can receive your package.

There is rule that you must follow in shipping a package.

[llogari]

thanks ardianto
i want to ask if have any shipping office in me contry macedonia to shepp me goods in another contry in macedonia i know have DHL expres but i dont know if have any cheap shepping metodth

[ardianto]

thanks ardianto
i want to ask if have any shipping office in me contry macedonia to shepp me goods in another contry in macedonia i know have DHL expres but i dont know if have any cheap shepping metodth

Like I've said, if you send something to another country, it's considered as export, and maybe your goods cannot enter the destination country, or the receiver must pay the entrance tax. You must consider it.

But bro, it's better if you start from dropshipper which you are just market and sell other people goods, and shipping is the duty of the goods owner. After you have enough experiences as dropshipper, then you can go up to the next level which you become the online store owner.

There are stages in success in business and you should not think to make a big leap because it will make you have no strong foundation. What you should do is passing stage by stage which you walk from slow then faster and faster.

[strivingobserver98]

:sl:

[Muezzin]

If you clearly describe the item, that the order will be placed with you the seller, and delivery will be fulfilled by the third party while you the seller provide delivery timescales, according to the islamqa answer you received that would be permissible. I've seen this done on other websites like Amazon and Ratuken etc.

[strivingobserver98]

If you clearly describe the item, that the order will be placed with you the seller, and delivery will be fulfilled by the third party while you the seller provide delivery timescales, according to the islamqa answer you received that would be permissible. I've seen this done on other websites like Amazon and Ratuken etc.

:jz: for your insights, do you have link to the Islamqa fatwa?

[Muezzin]

:jz: for your insights, do you have link to the Islamqa fatwa?

It's quoted in the first post and reproduced below in that form - original poster should know how to find it as he asked the question.

This is what askimam and islamqa had to say


"In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
As-salamu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullahi wa-barakatuh.
1-Drop Shipping works in two different ways. The way expressed in the question is not clear. Hereunder are the two ways in which drop shipping is normally done.
Seller “A” advertises an item on the website such as e-bay. “A” does not have the item in his possession at the time of the advertisement. Purchaser “B” answers to this advertisement and places his order by paying the amount to “A”. Once “A” receives the order and payment into his account either via Paypal or a similar service, “A” further places an order to the wholesale merchant (drop shipper) “C” at a wholesale price. “C” then dispatches the merchandise to “B” while “A” keeps the difference of listed price and wholesale price as his profit.
This way of drop-shipping is not permissible since “A” is selling an item which is not in his possession.[1]
The shariah compliant alternative for this form of drop-shipping is to do the transaction through the model of “Salam”. In Salam after receiving the money, “A” (muslam ilayh) will purchase the item from the wholesaler “C” and then make “C” his agent to deliver the item to “B”. The process would remain same except for that the following information will have to be explicitly advertised.
· Seller “A” would have to pronounce in his advertisement beforehand that he is not in possession of the item and will arrange its delivery once the rabbul maal “B” has paid the money.
· Complete description of the item being sold will have to be advertised.
· The time duration for delivery will have to be advertised.

[nour1]

Dropshipping require a contract between the wholesaler who have the goods and the reseller who sell the goods. So, in this matter the position of the reseller is representative of the wholesaler. Not different than salesman who become representative of the company in selling goods to the buyer. Without contract, this is not dropshipping, or at least, not a legal dropshipping.

In dropshipping, if the reseller get an order, the reseller must tell the wholesaler about this order. And after the buyer make a payment, the wholesaler deliver the goods to the buyer. So, delivery process is arranged by the wholesaler, not the reseller. The payment process itself is depend on the agreement. There are wholesaler that obligate the buyer to pay directly to the wholesaler bank account, there are wholesaler that allow the reseller to receive payment and then send it to the wholesaler bank account. It's permissible because under agreement.


Do you mean you promote and offer other party goods although you don't have contract/agreement with the goods owner?.

This is not permissible because this is a speculation. Imagine if after you get a buyer, the goods owner refuse to sell his goods to you?. The reason behind prohibition to sell something that we don't posses is this speculative factor.

We are not allowed to sell other party goods, but we are allowed to become representative of the goods owner to sell something. Of course, with agreement between us and the goods owner.

What if I'm using a wepapp that allowed me to know if the item in Stock or not? i would like to tell you about my job i am reseller i sell items from Amazon to ebay but of course without any contract between me and the seller on Amazon i use a wepapp allow me to copy the item from Amazon and paste it on my eBay store and the wepapp do all the job after that when the item in Amazon is out of stock it appears in my eBay store is out of stock and when the seller on Amazon Rais the price automatically raises the price on my eBay store so the risk is equal to 0
also when someone buy an item from my store
the wepapp goes automatically to Amazon and place the order.
would be in this case permissible??
looking forward to hear from you

[ardianto]

What if I'm using a wepapp that allowed me to know if the item in Stock or not? i would like to tell you about my job i am reseller i sell items from Amazon to ebay but of course without any contract between me and the seller on Amazon i use a wepapp allow me to copy the item from Amazon and paste it on my eBay store and the wepapp do all the job after that when the item in Amazon is out of stock it appears in my eBay store is out of stock and when the seller on Amazon Rais the price automatically raises the price on my eBay store so the risk is equal to 0
also when someone buy an item from my store
the wepapp goes automatically to Amazon and place the order.
would be in this case permissible??
looking forward to hear from you

:sl:

When the sellers list their products in Amazon, they also give authority to Amazon to sell the products through the affiliates under Amazon. So, if you have registered as affiliate, then you atomatically also hold authority from the sellers to sell their products through Amazon.

Yes, it's permissible.

[nour1]

thanks for your reply would you please explain it more i did not understand it 100%
and the affiliate program is totally different from what I do on eBay

[Muhaba]

I agree with the response in favor of drop shipping.

My take on drop shipping: It is a great way to earn money with little costs. Because you don't hold inventory, your costs of running a business are less.

For those of you who don't know what drop shipping is, it is a way to sell items in your online store by displaying the images along with descriptions and then when a customer orders the item from you (and makes payment to you), you then order it and have it shipped directly from the supplier to the customer. In my opinion, drop shipping fits the bay' al-salam (Al-Salam Selling Method) type of selling but there was a better explanation in one of the threads in this forum justifying drop shipping, although I couldn't find it now.

The internet offers resources to start a successful drop shipping business with little costs online. It is like having your store without needing to open an actual physical store. Although there are costs associated with advertising (expect minimum of $500 on advertising per month if you want to progress fast). Some paid advertising venues are Facebook, Google Ad Words, Instagram as well as free promotion sources.

The secret to becoming successful with drop shipping is to find a winning product and then scale it to sell loads of it.

I would suggest that, if you are doing drop shipping, then get 1 of each item you are selling to see the quality, so you know what you are selling, can describe it accurately and correctly, and have your own images and videos on your store and in ads. To keep costs low, you can have only a few products on your store (you will have to order fewer items to analyze and add more as you sell some. If you want to start a drop shipping store, use this link to sign up and I will PM you tips on making your store, 3 products you can sell, and vital tips for Facebook ads: ​https://www.shopify.com/?ref=radeya-global . To get the tips, you need to sign up using this link and then PM me when you are done.