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BilalKid
07-18-2014, 03:40 AM
:raging:parents keep forcing me into education, I feel like I dont have a choice anymore. They keep saying brother and so and so has a degree you must get one blah blah blah. I mean what can maths benefit you in hereafter, I really wanna quit boring school and maybe watch lectures and read books on islam! Is my decision correct according to islam?
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Hulk
07-18-2014, 12:34 PM
Muslims are encouraged to be educated. The intention is not to get a degree or any other piece of paper but to gain knowledge. If you reflect on what you learn in school you will see how amazing it is :)
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Marina-Aisha
07-18-2014, 12:51 PM
im sure you can do both maybe u could become a teacher and also do islamic courses so in sha allah u be able teach all the knowledge you have gained. theres no need drop out school :)
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BilalKid
07-20-2014, 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Marina-Aisha
im sure you can do both maybe u could become a teacher and also do islamic courses so in sha allah u be able teach all the knowledge you have gained. theres no need drop out school :)
I dont think parents allow that, they want doctor or lawyer high rank job :hmm:
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BilalKid
07-20-2014, 12:36 AM
Originally Posted by Hulk
Muslims are encouraged to be educated. The intention is not to get a degree or any other piece of paper but to gain knowledge. If you reflect on what you learn in school you will see how amazing it is :)
Thats true but I wanna be educated in Islam not maths or science they wont help me in akhira
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Iceee
07-20-2014, 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by BilalKid
Thats true but I wanna be educated in Islam not maths or science they wont help me in akhira
Salaam.

Why not math or sciences? You can study it, do well, and get an amazing job Inshallah.
With a great job, you can marry a pious woman, have children, live in a nice home, pray at home, mosque, travel all around the world to see the different mosques etc. Endless Islamic possibilities brother. You can study Islam on your free time. This will benefit not only you but your family and your children's family and down.
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Scimitar
07-20-2014, 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by BilalKid
:raging:parents keep forcing me into education, I feel like I dont have a choice anymore. They keep saying brother and so and so has a degree you must get one blah blah blah. I mean what can maths benefit you in hereafter, I really wanna quit boring school and maybe watch lectures and read books on islam! Is my decision correct according to islam?
in short, NO.

Too many uneducated Muslims in the world today bro... and the other peoples are overtaking us... yet we cry "where is the golden age?"

See my point?

Get your education, and stay within the boundaries of Islam while you get it. I know uni can be a mass distraction from deen, I see it all the time. However, I also see brothers and sisters who stay within the boundaries Islam sets and complete their studies all the same.

Scimi
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Hulk
07-20-2014, 07:12 AM
Don't put yourself in a false dichotomy brother, it's not an either-or situation. I't not impossible to learn both. Also it is wrong to think that they cannot help you with akhira. Many things, given the right intention, can be ibaadah.
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ardianto
07-20-2014, 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by BilalKid
Thats true but I wanna be educated in Islam not maths or science they wont help me in akhira
If you have math knowledge and you use your knowledge to help people, In Shaa Allah, you will get reward for the hereafter. But if you have high Islamic knowledge, will it automatically produce reward for hereafter?.

There are people who have high knowledge of fiqh, sharia, etc. But unfortunately they fall into arrogance, regard themselves know Islam better than the other. Then they start to criticizing other Muslims, call other Muslims as deviants or even kuffar. Will this behavior produce reward for the hereafter?.

Young bro, not "what knowledge" that will produce reward for the hereafter, but how we use our knowledge.

:)
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BilalKid
07-21-2014, 03:16 AM
Originally Posted by Iceee
Salaam.

Why not math or sciences? You can study it, do well, and get an amazing job Inshallah.
With a great job, you can marry a pious woman, have children, live in a nice home, pray at home, mosque, travel all around the world to see the different mosques etc. Endless Islamic possibilities brother. You can study Islam on your free time. This will benefit not only you but your family and your children's family and down.
Wow that seems like perfect dream life ill never get :exhausted
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greenhill
07-21-2014, 04:03 AM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Young bro, not "what knowledge" that will produce reward for the hereafter, but how we use our knowledge.
Very true!

What happen to the 'like' button? Cannot like anymore, huh?imsad
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ardianto
07-21-2014, 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by BilalKid
I dont think parents allow that, they want doctor or lawyer high rank job :hmm:
If you told your parents that you want to study Islam because other knowledge are not beneficial for hereafter, of course, they would scold you and give you long lecture about benefit of knowledge. :D

But if you told your parents that you want to study Islam because you want to be Islamic scholar and use your knowledge for ummah, maybe, and In Shaa Allah, they would start thinking about it.

Yes, many parents want their children have job with high income in the future. But it doesn't means parents must be refuse their children wish to study Islam. Look at Islamic institutes or universities. There are many students there, and they study there with approval from their parents. I know they are approved by their parents because I know their study cost paid by their parents.

Young bro, I support you if you want to study Islam, but only with right intention, to use your knowledge for ummah. If you study Islam, you should ready to teach people. Maybe teach as teacher, maybe give lecture, maybe issuing fatwa, maybe write Islamic book or article.

If you study Islam but you don't have intention to use your knowledge for ummah, then you just waste your study time, and the worse is you waste your knowledge, like someone who study medicine but never become a doctor and never use his medical knowledge to help people.

Two of my uncles studied in Islamic school. One, who has passed away, worked in ministry of religion. After retired he still active in giving Islamic lecture. Another is an ustadz (Islamic teacher) who teaches people voluntary. Yes, voluntary without paid. But he also has knowledge of business, and he fulfill his family needs by his business.
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Futuwwa
08-01-2014, 11:29 PM
Righteous living and worship in this world is what will benefit you in the hereafter. It's not advanced-level Islam that it takes a scholar to know.

As for the Ummah, it has far too many unemployed and underemployed scholars already. Scholars that could do the Ummah a lot of good if someone would pay them to serve the Ummah full-time and not worry about having a day job. You can be that someone if you have a lucrative career. I intend to be that someone myself as well.
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'Abd-al Latif
08-02-2014, 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by BilalKid
:raging:parents keep forcing me into education, I feel like I dont have a choice anymore. They keep saying brother and so and so has a degree you must get one blah blah blah. I mean what can maths benefit you in hereafter, I really wanna quit boring school and maybe watch lectures and read books on islam! Is my decision correct according to islam?
How can you learn to properly read or write without going to school? Going to school is a halal way of seeking knowledge. Along with being a web designer I'm also a full time English teacher working at a government institution and I always feel delighted at seeing Muslim students in my classes.

Don't belittle subjects like maths, geography or history because these are all important subjects to learn.
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BilalKid
08-18-2014, 02:27 AM
Thx all your replies, I understand a bit more now. Ive decided to finish school then think about islamic madrassah in sha Allah.
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Scimitar
08-18-2014, 03:59 AM
MashaAllah brother,

The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said "if anyone travels on a road in search of knowledge, God will cause him to travel one of the roads of paradise. The angels will lower their wings in their great pleasure in the one who seeks knowledge. The inhabitants of the heavens and the earth and (even) the fish in the sea will ask forgiveness for the learned man. The superiority of the learnt over the devout is like that of the moon, on the night when it is full, over the rest of the stars.The learned are the inheritors of the Prophets (no monetary inheritance) they leave only knowledge, and he who takes it - takes an abundant portion" - Sunan Abu Dawud 1631

So bro Bilalkid, next time you are travelling to school - remember you are treading a path that has a parallel in heaven :) Allah is forever merciful and HIS bounties are endless.

Scimi
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Woodrow
08-18-2014, 04:11 AM
Education is a necessary part of this Dunya. This Dunya is part of our Deen. With the proper intent a good education is a noble act of worship.



You have made a wise choice to continue with your education. Use it as part of your Deen.
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Saja
08-18-2014, 12:38 PM
Of course not, your choice is not right! You sound very young (or you're joking), Islam is not just a religion, a couple of lectures and books, and how do you think those people wrote books or were able to make lectures, you’re not helping anyone by this choice, not even yourself and therefor it's against Islam teaching.

"When your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." Chapter 2 verse 30.
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Scimitar
08-18-2014, 02:17 PM
assalaam alaikum sister Nana, welcome to the forum

you'd be pleased to know that the young man has since changed his heart and decided to stay in education :)

Scimi
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Karl
08-18-2014, 10:43 PM
You must obey your father unless he is going against the tenets of Islam in wanting you to be trained as a thief or assassin or prostitute etc.
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cogito ergo sum
09-01-2014, 12:23 PM
your duty is to learn about Islam, but also to be educated in the context of worldly knowledge. I can't understand how any Muslim can consider the two types of knowledge to be opposed one to another. Today is a time when, if you lack knowledge in one of the two fields, you will be lagging behind.
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Muhaba
09-01-2014, 12:52 PM
An educated mind is better than an uneducated mind. The more you study the more your mind develops. You don't have to quit school to study Islam. You can study college as well as read Islamic books, watch Islamic videos, listen to lectures and attend conferences.
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naba
12-27-2014, 06:28 AM
The first ever verse of Quran was ch 96 v 1-5-recite in the name of Allah who created you from clot, recite in the name of Allah who taught you the thing you didn't know, recite in the name of Allah and Allah is the doer of big things.prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) said its the duty of both man and woman to gain knowledge.so study and follow islam.
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sister herb
12-27-2014, 11:14 PM
One very important part of your deen is to learn to become patient. So don´t call your school boring place but make your works there well, learn to love getting knowledge. One day you'll realize that it's worth. And you find out it wasn´t boring place at all.

:statisfie
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umairlooms
08-12-2015, 05:04 AM
bilalkid

there is no point in mixing EDUCATION and DEEN

that is like saying should i not eat anything but CAMEL MEAT as it was common in the prophet's time.

YOU SHOULD STUDY, however poorly.
i was like you and have grown up to know how better off I am .
You dont HAVE TO BE an A grade student. Just keep studying, find your passion and that is it.
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soheil1
08-12-2015, 05:24 AM
Originally Posted by BilalKid
Thats true but I wanna be educated in Islam not maths or science they wont help me in akhira
They can. They broaden your view. They are not necessarily good for you hereafter but surely good to understand the word better. That can also be good for you hereafter
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Abz2000
08-12-2015, 09:48 AM
algebra and the sciences etc help the brain to grapple with fiqhi problems.
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soheil1
08-14-2015, 12:33 PM
^Where are you from?
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BilalKid
09-21-2015, 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by Abz2000
algebra and the sciences etc help the brain to grapple with fiqhi problems.
awesome cool! an example? ^o)
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Abz2000
09-21-2015, 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by BilalKid
awesome cool! an example? ^o)
algebra excercises the deeper problem solving networks in your brain, physics, chemistry biology help you understand and accept physical realities and help you to expand and develop upon those realities.
all done within the guidance of Islam and seeking to please Allah are steps towards perfection unlike kufr science and evil plotting.

fiqh scholars and mufti's have to understand and expand within the limits of Islam in order to keep up with new problems and provide solutions.

you'll find that many of the scholars in Islam were all rounders.

Algebra*(from*Arabic*"al-jabr"*meaning "reunion of broken parts"[1]) is one of the broad parts of*mathematics, together with*number theory,*geometryand*analysis.
In its most general form, algebra is the study of mathematical symbols and the rules for manipulating these symbols;[2]*it is a unifying thread of almost all of mathematics.[3]
*As such, it includes everything from elementary equation solving to the study of abstractions such as*groups,*rings, and*fields.


a couple of very easy to understand examples:
equation presented is: 2x=8
intelligence and power of deduction (in this case division in direct book formula or multiplication in trial and error l) must be excercised to understand x since it is not spelled out in the book,

problem presented is: does gravity exist?
try dropping an object continuously until you find that it's constant.

was 9/11 an inside job carried out by elements within the u.s government?
how could wtc7 have fallen at gravitational acceleration without the lower support columns having been blown out in order to eliminate any resistance before upper floors reached the lower positions? 9.81 m/s/s requires zero resistance during freefall.

does God exist and is His prescribed way of life supreme?
consider that the way of life prescribed stands out as the nearest to perfection, and how else could the miracles of the prophets make any sense?

God demands an inquisitive mind and demands obedience once the soul has been convinced.
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Dawud1996
09-29-2015, 08:25 AM
Uh, no. Your going too be questioned by Allah(SWT) on what you have learned (Knowledge). And this go's for each and everyone of us.
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seyma
05-12-2019, 03:13 PM
Learning biology, chemistry etc. is mubah in islam. You cam learn deen besides it parallelly. So don't quit one for the other. Do them both. Allah does not gave his ibaad orders they could not reach.
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