Islam teaches violence?

[Tranquility0]

Assalamualykum everyone. I am brand new to these forums, as I questions regarding the Islam and I require help. Hopefully I can increase my knowledge and become closer to Allah by joining these forums. I am a brother from Canada, and from my personal experience it is very hard coming up as a Muslim here. There are so many bad influences every single day that I need to over-come and Alhamdulillah so far I am okay. Also, in Canada, there is a LOT of atheists and Christians especially in my school (I am 15 years old). Whenever I read anything online or hear things about Islam in real-life, I always, always hear things about Islam teaching violence. I always see these posts about ISIS saying dua'a and then killing people and all this non-sense. I refuse to believe it, because I know it's not true. On the Internet I read people quoting the Quran verses and they attack Islam viciously naudhubillah saying that we're a death cult and things. Well, I don't know how to answer or rebut these people. I am unknowledged and I see guidance on how to deal with this. I would also appreciate if you can help me understand that indeed Islam does not teach violence. JazakAllah.

[greenhill]

Salaams,

Welcome to the forum.

Yes, what you are saying is a common accusation against Islam. This is not true. There are many threads in this forum and if you browse through them you will find rebuttal on those statement's.

Wishing you a very good stay here.

Peace :shade:

[M.I.A.]

i have no idea why you are asking people what you should think?

..you should probably skip to the last sentence now.


people have fought and died by the thousands since history was recorded, for land and politics mainly.

its something people overlook even though they had to sit through history classes.



islam does not teach violence.

christianity teaches pacifism and you could ask somebody to count the death toll on that one.

an athiest would probably still believe in politics though.




i dont understand why you cant rebuttle a person?

mankind is insolence and competition.


if you desire peace then work towards peace, what do you really think of the media portrayal of isis or the media portrayal of isis by themselves?

it probably makes little difference to isis.

does it make any difference to your questioners?


in closing, i would say that just be yourself for as long as you can. islam is simple, it expands as your life and situation expands.

[Tranquility0]

i have no idea why you are asking people what you should think?

..you should probably skip to the last sentence now.


people have fought and died by the thousands since history was recorded, for land and politics mainly.

its something people overlook even though they had to sit through history classes.



islam does not teach violence.

christianity teaches pacifism and you could ask somebody to count the death toll on that one.

an athiest would probably still believe in politics though.




i dont understand why you cant rebuttle a person?

mankind is insolence and competition.


if you desire peace then work towards peace, what do you really think of the media portrayal of isis or the media portrayal of isis by themselves?

it probably makes little difference to isis.

does it make any difference to your questioners?


in closing, i would say that just be yourself for as long as you can. islam is simple, it expands as your life and situation expands.

Brother, I'm not asking people what I should think. I just don't know how to reply people who slap Islam with this false accusation, especially in the situation I'm in. I don't really know any facts or verses to back me up :|

Thanks a lot for the reply, to both of you :)

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[ardianto]

Assalamualykum everyone. On the Internet I read people quoting the Quran verses and they attack Islam viciously naudhubillah saying that we're a death cult and things. Well, I don't know how to answer or rebut these people. I am unknowledged and I see guidance on how to deal with this. I would also appreciate if you can help me understand that indeed Islam does not teach violence. JazakAllah.

Wa'alaikumsalam

Those people just follow what some Muslims do, use Islam as justification for the wrong deed. Those Muslims do something wrong, and start to 'seek and pick' ayah or hadith to justify their wrong action. Yes, this problem actually caused by Muslims themselves.

You should know that ayah or hadith actually cannot just be picked without relate it to other ayah or hadith, or to the background of revelation.

If someone quote an ayah or hadith to show you how bad is Islam. Explain them what is this ayah or hadith means. Show them related ayah or hadith, tell them the background of this ayah or hadith.

But of course, you must have enough knowledge. If you have no enough knowledge, my best advice to you is ignore them. Don't try to be "keyboard mujahid", okay?

:)

[Hulk]

Get yourself some Islamic education my friend, go for some classes and learn from a knowledgable teacher. It's important to be aware that we are ignorant of certain things, now the people who are posting these nonsense, they are likely ignorant of their ignorance; which is a worse form of ignorance.

[Zaighum]

I can understand the hardships and challenges a 15 years old had to face. The funny thing is that most people seem to accept the any versions of a story if it was on TV and social media (though social media is open to criticism). I think any religion itself is a peaceful thing, most religions in the World would preach peace and harmony and Islam is one of them. The problem starts when people (leaders and media) try to mix religion with their political agendas and this is where it become a lethal cocktail and in many cases innocent people are engulfed in this sad inferno of hatred and crime because religion makes people emotional when someone is emotional he/she is more likely to accept their political agendas.

[Ali Mujahidin]

Assalamualykum everyone. I am brand new to these forums, as I questions regarding the Islam and I require help. Hopefully I can increase my knowledge and become closer to Allah by joining these forums. I am a brother from Canada, and from my personal experience it is very hard coming up as a Muslim here. There are so many bad influences every single day that I need to over-come and Alhamdulillah so far I am okay. Also, in Canada, there is a LOT of atheists and Christians especially in my school (I am 15 years old). Whenever I read anything online or hear things about Islam in real-life, I always, always hear things about Islam teaching violence. I always see these posts about ISIS saying dua'a and then killing people and all this non-sense. I refuse to believe it, because I know it's not true. On the Internet I read people quoting the Quran verses and they attack Islam viciously naudhubillah saying that we're a death cult and things. Well, I don't know how to answer or rebut these people. I am unknowledged and I see guidance on how to deal with this. I would also appreciate if you can help me understand that indeed Islam does not teach violence. JazakAllah.

First, find a religious teacher. Wait, change that. Find at least two religious teachers. Make sure that your religious teachers do not come from the same school or master. Whenever in doubt, ask Google. Then go and ask your religious teachers. Don't miss your prayers. Work on your dhikr. A good target would be 300 times in the morning and 300 times in the evening.

If you have the chance, make friends with Muslims from countries other than the Middle-East. There are a few hundred million Muslims in China. There are also a few hundred million Muslims in the Malay Archipelago. The number of Muslims who are not covered by the mass media and not given a lot of attention like those who kill and rape is possibly in the ratio of 1,000,000 to 1.

So how to help you understand that Islam does not teach violence?

Start with the Five Pillars of Islam. See anything about violence there? Then look at the Six Principles of Iman. See anything about violence there?

Stay strong, akhi, and keep a tight hold on the Twin Declaration of Faith. Follow the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet. Don't follow anyone or anything that deviates from the Holy Quran and the sunnah of the Holy Prophet.

[Stuckinthemiddl]

Brother I have been thinking the same thing. I truly believe islam is the right path and best way to show respect and worship in the right manner. But there are no denying that there are some stuff I have read like if he leave islam kill him, don't befriend disbelievers and other stuff but I think surely this can't be as plain and bold as it sound because that doesn't sound like lord work why would he say that when it teaches to show other people the right path like what happen to me. I'm not the best person I make mistake but I am trying to learn more and more in a non bias view and look for facts. Also is a crazy extremist who try to brainwash other and commits vile acts and kills other people even the Muslims, even though killing anyone is wrong, do they have more chance into going to heaven because his parents brought him in to islam than a loving Buddha who spreads peace and commit no crime. Sometimes I feel afraid to ask because people think I am criticising islam but I am not by far can't u have to question yourself to become the strongest believer and gain more knowledge. Anyone that can correct me please reply because I may be misunderstood but nevertheless these things are there.

[Tranquility0]

JazakAllah everyone, the response was awesome :)

[ardianto]

Brother I have been thinking the same thing. I truly believe islam is the right path and best way to show respect and worship in the right manner. But there are no denying that there are some stuff I have read like if he leave islam kill him, don't befriend disbelievers and other stuff but I think surely this can't be as plain and bold as it sound because that doesn't sound like lord work why would he say that when it teaches to show other people the right path like what happen to me. I'm not the best person I make mistake but I am trying to learn more and more in a non bias view and look for facts. Also is a crazy extremist who try to brainwash other and commits vile acts and kills other people even the Muslims, even though killing anyone is wrong, do they have more chance into going to heaven because his parents brought him in to islam than a loving Buddha who spreads peace and commit no crime. Sometimes I feel afraid to ask because people think I am criticising islam but I am not by far can't u have to question yourself to become the strongest believer and gain more knowledge. Anyone that can correct me please reply because I may be misunderstood but nevertheless these things are there.

Islam is the most misunderstood religion. But it's because Muslims themselves. There are Muslims who use Islam as justification for their wrong behavior, through 'twisting' the interpretation of Qur'an and hadith.

Unfortunately, many non-Muslims see Islam through the extremist Muslims, not through the peaceful Muslims.

:)

[Stuckinthemiddl]

Yes I agree with you 100% but when them non muslim find quotes them self like the one I mention it can give that impression like the one I said of he leaves his religion kill him. If Allah wanted that to happen he is the most powerful and can do anything I don't think Allah need us to judge people and take away people his life that the almighty job not anybody else

[simplymuslim]

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. SURAH AL BAQARAH 2:256 This surah proves that muslims should not force islam on a disbeliever. Ibn Abu Laila reported: Sahl ibn Hunaif and Qais ibn Sa’d ibn Ubaidah were in Al-Qadisiyyah when a funeral passed by them, so they stood up and it was said to them, “It is one of the local people.” They both said: A funeral passed by the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, and he stood up. It was said to him, “It is a Jew.” The Prophet said, “Was he not a soul!! There are some verses about the disbelievers. im not sure if this is right but i read somewhere that the muslims were being oppressed by the disbelievers and they did not fight back untill Allah gave them permission to fight. im not sure of the exact surah. Also im not sure about this either (do a bit of reasearch akhi) but i remember someone telling me that the disbelievers broke the peace treaty and they started killing muslims. allah gave them permission to fight as they were being oppressed. But one thing i am certain about is Islam is a religion of peace and the prophet (pbuh) was a mercy to mankind. I know school is hard and it happens to me sometimes but the best solution is to gain more knowledge because it will help your deen and help answer these questions. Remember to say this in a kind manner as the best dawah you can give to a disbeliever is being a good muslim and having good character.

[Abu Musab]

Yes I agree with you 100% but when them non muslim find quotes them self like the one I mention it can give that impression like the one I said of he leaves his religion kill him. If Allah wanted that to happen he is the most powerful and can do anything I don't think Allah need us to judge people and take away people his life that the almighty job not anybody else

That is the law of Allaah.

When a person apostates from islaam, he is jailed and given three days within to repent, if not then he is executed.

Wallaahu A`lam.

[introspective]

When a person apostates from islaam, he is jailed and given three days within to repent, if not then he is executed.

Wallaahu A`lam.

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't an apostate issued capital punishment if he is actively involved in harming the Muslims?

Also, didn't the Prophet (SAW) issue capital punishment to the apostates, belonging to the tribes of 'Ukal and 'Urainah, for murdering shepherds and mutilating the corpses?

Is Apostasy a Capital Crime in Islam? | Fiqh Council Of North America

[amrabdulrahman]

Wa akykum salam brother,Welcome here,Follow these1: recite quran with translation and tafseer2: read hadith and its sharah3: arrange some time for histroy of islam and muslim there are many islamic histroy book by authentic witers. U can download from internet.4: spend more time with the people who have good knowledge of islam. 5: discuss truthness of islam with your muslim friends.I think the problem you have told because you have never spent time with islamic book.History shows muslim has no violence. Something may be looks like violence but infact those are justic.There are many wrong and false propraganda against present and past muslims.

[amrabdulrahman]

Islam gives non muslim complete freedom to accept or deny. But if some one accept islam by his will as a deen then islam does not allow him to become apostate. I don 't think that messenger s.a.w.w did something wrong. He punished him because every criminal should be punished.

[Abu Musab]

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't an apostate issued capital punishment if he is actively involved in harming the Muslims?

Also, didn't the Prophet (SAW) issue capital punishment to the apostates, belonging to the tribes of 'Ukal and 'Urainah, for murdering shepherds and mutilating the corpses?

Is Apostasy a Capital Crime in Islam? | Fiqh Council Of North America

No, that's incorrect. a murtad is executed regardless of whether he attempts to harm the muslims or not.

They had their eyes poked out and their hand and foot cut off from opposite ends and left in the desert to die yes.

Thar article is written by modernists who attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of people who don't have knowledge of the deen.

There are numerous authentic explicit ahaadeeth about killing murtaddeen apart from the ones mentioned in that article.

The article quotes qaradawi here and there, who himself belongs to the modernist brigade, but even he had to admit (though i don't see it in that article), anyhow he says and i quote: "The scholars of this ummah from all the madhaahib, sunni and non sunni, and even the fuqahaa from outside the madhaahib have consensus upon punishing the apostate, and they almost reached complete unanimity that he is to be killed but for what has been narrated from `umar radhiallaahu `anhu, an-nakha`i and ath-thawri..."

Anyhow he's mistaken even on that point, same mistake that can be found in that article, where they erroneously claim that hadhrat `umar radhiallaahu `anhu didn't believe in killing murtaddeen, but that couldn't be further from the truth, the only thing hadhrat `umar radhiallaahu `anhu didn't approve of was killing a murtad instantly without arresting him and giving him time to repent, that's all.


Here's a very nice article on the topic for anyone who can read arabic: http://www.saaid.net/Doat/ahdal/115.htm

[islamiworld1]

it teaches Jihad Jihad means that a Muslim cannot fight unless attacked, and to never harm plants, the sick, women and children. This is not violence, just self defence! Anyway, even if ONE Muslim is violent, then it doesn't mean they ALL are. Many Christians do wrong, but are forgiven- why can't Islam be?

[naba]

Walecum As Salaam you know what all your answers to ur problems is present in something kept in ur top of shelf somewhere in your house, I m just assuming because almost every muslim has in his home untouched for years and that is QURAN.u should thank Allah first that he had given you opportunities to tell non muslims about islam.first of all tell them to know islam read Quran, don't look at muslim.a muslim is person who follow Quran and Authentic teachings of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ).Allah in ch 5 v 32 of Quran says if you kill a human being unless for murder or for mischief in the land means as if you have killed whole humanity, if you save an innocent human being means as if you have saved whole humanity.Allah in ch 2 v 256 of Quran forbids compulsion in religion.tell them Allah ordered us to walk in humility and whenever ignorant addresses you give peace greetings to them.so my friend make a will as we eat, do brush, bath everyday make a will to read Quran everyday make 5 time salaah and Quran ur priority and then see who Allah helps you, Allah in ch 29 v 69 says if you strive in way of Allah will open pathways for you.Allahfiz

[saif-uddin]

Assalamualykum everyone. I am brand new to these forums, as I questions regarding the Islam and I require help. Hopefully I can increase my knowledge and become closer to Allah by joining these forums. I am a brother from Canada, and from my personal experience it is very hard coming up as a Muslim here. There are so many bad influences every single day that I need to over-come and Alhamdulillah so far I am okay. Also, in Canada, there is a LOT of atheists and Christians especially in my school (I am 15 years old). Whenever I read anything online or hear things about Islam in real-life, I always, always hear things about Islam teaching violence. I always see these posts about ISIS saying dua'a and then killing people and all this non-sense. I refuse to believe it, because I know it's not true. On the Internet I read people quoting the Quran verses and they attack Islam viciously naudhubillah saying that we're a death cult and things. Well, I don't know how to answer or rebut these people. I am unknowledged and I see guidance on how to deal with this. I would also appreciate if you can help me understand that indeed Islam does not teach violence. JazakAllah.

:wasalam: akhi,

I advise you to read Surah At-Tawbah, start to finish,

http://quran.com/9

Islam Prescribes Violence as a Last Resort, and even then it offers the Enemies of Islam the chance to gain protection, and even goes so far as to escort them to a place of Security if they desire Peace (ie. At-Tawbah : Ayah 6)

Islam however doesn't teach the Muslims to be Cowards, or "Turn the Cheek" when you are attacked.

Allah ta'ala says,

Surah Baqarah : Ayah 216
-------------------------
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."


:jz:

[MuslimInshallah]

Thar article is written by modernists who attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of people who don't have knowledge of the deen.




The article quotes qaradawi here and there, who himself belongs to the modernist brigade,

Assalaamu alaikum brother Abu Musab,


Thank you for sharing the fruits of your knowledge.


However, I have read of Classical scholars who have disagreed with one another. I have also read that excellent manners were considered by these scholars as a fundamental requirement for a person to be considered a true scholar.


I question whether it is of the highest degree of politeness to label a person with whom one disagrees, in (what seems to me to be) a dismissive or derogatory manner.


It is true that Dr. Jamal Badawi, the author of the quoted article is not an official scholar of Islam. He used to be a University professor of Business Administration in Canada. However, I have met him, and I have had the pleasure of knowing some of his family, and I know him to be a very sincere and devout Muslim. He has excellent manners, is kind with his intimates, and has been very active in nurturing the Muslim Community in Nova Scotia (a Canadian province). And he has read widely, keeps good company, and struggles to understand Allah's Will, and teach to others what he believes may be of benefit for them, for the Ummah in general, and for all persons Allah has Created.


He is also (as I understand it. Certainly, he has met with him on repeated occasions) a personal friend of Sheikh Al-Qaradawi, who is a scholar of great knowledge and depth, and also a very polite and sincere believer, in my opinion.


By all means, disagree with other's opinions. And bring forth your arguments and proofs for us all to know and understand. A sincere effort to understand Allah's Will is incumbent on us all. But I would suggest that you honour those who precede us in age and experience, as well as scholarly knowledge.


Because, as the Classical scholars used to say : I may be incorrect, and my opponent may be correct, and really, only Allah truly Knows.


May Allah, the Source of all knowledge and harmony, have Mercy on us, and Guide us to that which Pleases Him most.

[Scimitar]

From what I can gather - apostates are not be killed, unless they are also guilty of treason - in which case it is totally justified. Even today, in the so called age of enlightenment - treason is still a crime that is punishable by death - in non Muslim lands. So really, there is no issue here.

Scimi

[Jedi_Mindset]

Assalam alaykum


This subject isn't difficult and can be answered insha'Allah. Islam is a way of life, which we should follow by following what Allah has commanded us to, by following the sunnah of prophet muhammed(saw) and the salaf.

During the life of the prophet (peace be upon him) muslims were faced with such troubles and oppressions, that violence was the only answer to stop the oppression. We are only allowed to use it in certain circumstances, so yes the qu'ran has verses which mentions fighting and battles but there are certain conditions to this and if you don't obey these conditions you are a trangressor.

But peace should always be the first answer and fighting the last resort. In my opinion islam is not a religion of peace nor of war but it is the religion of justice and equality. A way of life pleasing the creator Azza wa jal.

[Karl]

The world is not a peaceful place. If you are peaceful you will be enslaved or wiped out. Is there any country without an army? Even the so called peaceful Buddhists go on rampages and kill Muslims. The big countries have nukes to threaten each other with and one day WW3 will be upon us. So don't worry if people say Islam is a death cult. They are the pot calling the kettle black, the hypocrites.

BTW those guys that were "beheaded" by ISIS or IS or what ever. Seem to have a better complexion after their head is cut off. What a fake outfit.

[ardianto]

The world is not a peaceful place. If you are peaceful you will be enslaved or wiped out. Is there any country without an army? Even the so called peaceful Buddhists go on rampages and kill Muslims. The big countries have nukes to threaten each other with and one day WW3 will be upon us. So don't worry if people say Islam is a death cult. They are the pot calling the kettle black, the hypocrites.

Being peaceful doesn't mean not fight if oppressed by other people, but not aggressive and will not fight if not attacked by other people first. All religions are peaceful, but unfortunately not all believers are peaceful.

BTW those guys that were "beheaded" by ISIS or IS or what ever. Seem to have a better complexion after their head is cut off. What a fake outfit.

This is one thing that makes me can't support IS, they always execute their prisoners of war, and easy to kill those who disagree with them, even if those who disagree are other Muslims.

This month Hizbut Tahrir report that IS executed one HT senior member in Syria, Mustafa Khayal (Abu Bakar), just because he criticized IS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hasdo2enZs#t=277

May Allah gives Mustafa Khayal a beautiful place in Jannah.

[OmAbdullah]

Assalamualykum everyone. I am brand new to these forums, as I questions regarding the Islam and I require help. Hopefully I can increase my knowledge and become closer to Allah by joining these forums. I am a brother from Canada, and from my personal experience it is very hard coming up as a Muslim here. There are so many bad influences every single day that I need to over-come and Alhamdulillah so far I am okay. Also, in Canada, there is a LOT of atheists and Christians especially in my school (I am 15 years old). Whenever I read anything online or hear things about Islam in real-life, I always, always hear things about Islam teaching violence. I always see these posts about ISIS saying dua'a and then killing people and all this non-sense. I refuse to believe it, because I know it's not true. On the Internet I read people quoting the Quran verses and they attack Islam viciously naudhubillah saying that we're a death cult and things. Well, I don't know how to answer or rebut these people. I am unknowledged and I see guidance on how to deal with this. I would also appreciate if you can help me understand that indeed Islam does not teach violence. JazakAllah.

wa alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullah.

As you know that Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was the final Prophet of Islam, He was the first to act upon the Holy Quraan. You must know about His response to the enemies. He salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam did preaching in secret for 3 years when he used to invite to the Faith of Oneness of God Allah only close friends and relatives. After 3 years He started preaching openly. He only told the idolaters to worship only one God Allah and that mankind is responsible for their Faith and deeds, that there is life after death in which every person shall be accounted and rewarded or punished according to his/her Faith and deeds. He advised them NOT to kill their innocent newborn daughters. He also advised not to attack eachother tribes killing them and kidnapping their girls. In short the Arab people were in terrible darkness attacking each other and burying alive their own newborn daughters, and they used to worship their hand-made idols. The Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam invited them to the light of Islam but they became His enemies. They started beating and torturing the new Muslims. For 12 and a-half years the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam and His companions were patient. The idolaters killed some of the Muslim slaves. The first Muslim woman was a slave of Abu Jahal, she got killed by Abu Jahl and became the first martyr of this Ummah. Finally they made plans to kill Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam just because He preached Islam. By that time people had accepted Islam in Madinah, they invited the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam and His companions to Madinah. This is called Hijrah. Even they had to make hijrah i.e. leave Makkah to Madinah in secret because the idolators/unbelievers didn't let them go to Madinah.


While making hijrah The Muslims had to leave their shops, businesses, wealth etc. and went to Madinah empty-handed. The unbelievers in Makkah and in the surrounding Arabia became very jealous with the progress of Islam. So they started attacking the Muslims in Madinah. It was only then (after more than 13 years of Islam) that Allah gave permission to the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam and His companions to respond to the enemies and then Allah gave them Help so they won and became successful.


You can find from the history that the battles of Badar, Uhud and the battle of Trench were all fought near Madinah which is a manifest proof that the kaafirs had attacked the Muslims in their own state Madina. Then who is violent???

In the present world, you can see again that Muslims are attacked and are killed in their own countries, cities, streets and homes. Can you tell me any non Muslim country which is attacked by Muslims and where the Muslims are killing the helpless non- Muslims??? I believe we cannot find a non Muslim country attacked by Muslims but the opposite is true. Then who is violent? And Who are the real killers? The answer is very clear.

But I advise you just to practice Islam, making 5 prayers daily, helping needy, fasting in Ramadhan and remain patient. Don't get involved in arguments with the unjust unbelievers. They themselves know that they are unjust and violent but due to power they lie forcefully. So be patient and pray to Allah to send Help to the oppressed Muslims. That will be great!!!

[Abdullahh]

Islam, like most religions, does not teach violence.

[Johnathan]

If you have the chance, make friends with Muslims from countries other than the Middle-East.

Why would you recommend avoiding the Middle East, when the Middle East is the home and cradle of Islam? When the Middle East is the source of Islamic jurisprudence, as taught at Al-Azhar University in Egypt, which it is my understanding is the most prestigious institution of Islamic instruction in the world.

[OmAbdullah]

Why would you recommend avoiding the Middle East, when the Middle East is the home and cradle of Islam? When the Middle East is the source of Islamic jurisprudence, as taught at Al-Azhar University in Egypt, which it is my understanding is the most prestigious institution of Islamic instruction in the world.

!. Don't search the Islamic way of life in the Middle East now. You can find true Islam in the Quraan and Sunnah Books only. You cannot find the Islamic Law and perfect Islam in any country now. If there was true Islam in practice in the world now, the whole world would be full of safety, peace and free justice for all.

2. You are giving us the example of the Middle East for the BLACK AND FALSE accusation of violence on Islam. Don't you see that the violence in the Muslim countries is due to the non-Muslim countries that are using their made weapons for massacres on the innocent Muslim women, children and men. I understand that the Muslims left following the Quraan and Sunnah (the way of their Prophet), so due to the Anger of Allah they lost the Help of Allah. The result is that the Muslims are killed by the weapons of the non- Muslims.

[greenhill]

Possibly, Jonathan. But I don't think so somehow. Because islam is predominantly a religion of peace. However, it has really been allowed to remain peaceful with provocation by certain quarters.

For example, the minority Jews totally dominating the Middle East, and recent senseless provocation by the cartoons episode, and many other instances where islam is attacked without reason and thought. People will react.

Some of the quotes you refereed to above has their roots to explain. It is not your everyday licence to behave in that way. But say, if you were oppressed and wronged... then what?

It's like if we're to learn martial arts, does that mean we should go around looking for a fight? Or should we never back down from a challenge? Or does it mean that if we need to defend ourselves, we use the knowledge?

Like what Christianity teaches, (as opposed to the lessons from the Torah - eye for an eye) the 'elevated' message of the Bible is to turn the other cheek (to forgive) is very much in keeping with islam. To forgive and be patient.

:peace:

[Muhammad]

Greetings,

I have deleted off-topic posts and will be closing the thread.

Johnathan, I hope you will note that misquoting Islamic texts or judging Islam by UNIslamic actions of a minority is just as incorrect as people doing the same to your own faith. Please refrain from this in future.