I'm not married, all my sisters are (or have) been married. I just want to have a carefree life NOT to do bad things, but just be myself. But in Islam as people were telling me here yesterday that I probably shouldn't want to live alone as I wished to be independent and I should stay at home. My mother has developed MAJOR trust issues due to my older sisters being very silly in the past. She thinks I will do the same. I am a woman in my 30s and I can't deal with my life this way. I earn my own money so I never ask them for any. I have health problems (not totally critical) and thats also holding me back. I'm old enough to meet friends alone but she had a big problem with that too. You think about womens rights in Islam, I think they are good because they teach muslim women how to keep in line. BUT my situation I think it's gone too far because even on Friday, the accusations my mom were throwing at me were UNBELIEVABLE. I hope Allah forgives her for saying these things because Allah can see me and knows what my truth is and that my mom is making things up.
The rights of women in islam are severely limited, when compared to western civilized countries anyway. Limited dress, limited social status (driving, autonomy of choice in general) ect.
Is there any evidence against this?
The rights of women in islam are severely limited, when compared to western civilized countries anyway. Limited dress, limited social status (driving, autonomy of choice in general) ect.
Is there any evidence against this?
The rights of women in islam are severely limited, when compared to western civilized countries anyway. Limited dress, limited social status (driving, autonomy of choice in general) ect.
Is there any evidence against this?
In Islam men have their own rights and responsibilities and women have their own. These areas are not overlapping doesn't mean women's rights are more limited compared to men or women in the Western civilization. Women in Islam have some rights which are not given to the women in the Western countries. But some bad examples of today just doesn't mean that it is the true way of applying those rules to the society.
By the way you are a troll aren't you?
I would rather have evidence for what you just posted as this thread is full of posts indicating the contrary.
Let's see here. Referring to Western countries as "civilized", implying that others aren't. Using the Saudi female driving ban as if it were representative of Islam on the matter.
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The rights of women in islam are severely limited, when compared to western civilized countries anyway.
The fact that you state it is not recommended that Pinky live on her own in Islamic doctrine and then go on to state that non-islamic/western women aren't given equivalent rights is rather contradictory, don't you agree? Since in secular areas women can live alone wherever and whenever they please. Can you share with me these rights that are withheld from women in western, originally christian and now secular, societies?
As I mentioned; driving, (autonomy of choice as an umbrella term)
dress, working with/ acquainting men outside of the family sphere, forcing/selling young girls into marriage for dowries, segregation in prayer and everyday life (going back to house confines without male company), female-genital mutilation, Inheritance laws, Rape laws... many more.
All practices you don't find in western civilisations
Not to imply non-western areas are not civilized, although with many areas this is the case, and its impossible to deny.
can any one tell me what are rights of women in Islam ?
Not to imply non-western areas are not civilized, although with many areas this is the case, and its impossible to deny.
The fact that you state it is not recommended that Pinky live on her own in Islamic doctrine and then go on to state that non-islamic/western women aren't given equivalent rights is rather contradictory, don't you agree? Since in secular areas women can live alone wherever and whenever they please. Can you share with me these rights that are withheld from women in western, originally christian and now secular, societies?
Err..what?? Did you wake up on the stupid side of the bed? :facepalm:
5. there is nothing wrong with this.
Let's say I deny it. Can you prove that there is such a thing as objectively civilized and objectively uncivilized?
For example, if you rape a woman in a western secular society today you are maximum sentenced to prison and it is not too long most of the time but in a real Islamic society you can be sentenced to death penalty. This gives a woman to go freely in the late night where ever she wants in the real Islamic society but most of the women in the western societies have such a fear in their minds. This right is withheld from them indirectly by the secular modern laws.
What if that individual was wrongly accused?
Firstly, the reward of men and women in Islam is equal. This is mentioned throughout the Qur'an such as the following:
"And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah, and Allah has with Him the best reward." (Surah Imran 3:195)
Secondly, women are afforded the same rights as men. It is wrong to look at Islam through the lens of feminism because feminism is a phenomenon of the west. Unequal pay, gender bias, skills gap between genders etc is not something encouraged by Islam. In fact it's the opposite.
Thirdly, in specific areas men are given more responsibility than women, such as having an obligation to provide for their wives and children. This does not disadvantage women in any way because women are allowed to work and spend their money as they like. They do not have an obligation to spend their money on anyone.
Fourthly, the One who has made the laws of Islam is Allah. His laws benefit us in this life and the next whereas man made laws may only benefit us in this life (to some extent). Feminism, for instance, is relatively unknown in the Muslim world because there has never been a need for it to be introduced. Those non-practicing ignorant Muslims who live life by their own rules aren't representing Islam. They're representing their selfish and ignorant lifestyle.
This short summary should give you some insight into Islam and the rights women have always had.
Here's some further reading http://islamicpamphlets.com/womens-rights-in-islam/
To clarify some points further that you have mentioned in the quote above:
- Driving - Women are allowed to drive. Saudi Arabia isn't the complete and holistic representation of Islam;
- Dress - In short, hijab is not oppressive and Muslim women who chose to wear hijab will be able to tell you more about this. I'd rather you hear it from them than from me;
- Acquaintance of women with other men - women AND men are encouraged not to mix. This is subject to further discussion;
- Forcing/selling young girls into marriage for dowries - this is not part of Islam in any shape of form. Marriage and divorce cannot be forced or 'sold' in Islam;
- Segregation in prayer - Nothing wrong with this. Allah wants you to focus on Him during prayer rather than on each other;
- Female genital mutilation - not allowed in islam;
- Inheritance laws - Men are given a greater degree of inheritance because of financial commitments and responsibilities given to them by Islam. Women do not have such financial responsibilities. Here is a video explaining this in detail entitled 'Debunking the male bias' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mz8nTTS27g
- Rape laws - In my view all rape laws of today are not judged by the laws of Islam. Rape is not allowed in Islam and that's the end of;
- Many more - Please state these 'many more' inequalities;
My advice to you is to learn Islam properly rather than confusing the ignorant practices of Muslims/Muslim countries as Islamic practices.
Did you even read the Qur'an to understand the concept of hudud punishments? If a person wrongly accuses anyone, the accuser gets the penalty of 80 lashes. Allah :swt: says,
And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient,
Except for those who repent thereafter and reform, for indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. [An-Noor: 4-5]
For those who are not aware, Saudi Arabia has lifted the ban on women drivers few weeks ago: Saudi Arabia lifts ban on women drivers
The Saudi ban was more of a cultural and organizational ban, not exactly an Islamic ban on driving. It had more to do with the safety of women.
If you were truly devout you would not require segregation to stop you from lusting after women. The fact that you require this shows me you have little control and require religious doctrine to control yourself in front of god.
Ahh yes, the idea of producing 4 witnesses to prove innocence, also required in rape cases and so effectively works against the victim. Your support for such barbaric punishments highlights the third-worldism of these Islamic teachings which, in my opinion have no place in modern civilized society.
How are you to know who is wrongly accused and rightly accused? Lies and deceit are all too common in the world. How hard is it for a man to get four friends to be 'witnesses', and therefore the person will be killed un-justly. You can't take back death penalties or lashings.
Any 'god' or 'prohet' that condones such violence is not all-loving.
Quran (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (sexist).
How many rapes are conducted in front of four others? very few, and if it is the case the four witnesses should feel shame for not intervening in the first place, bringing the issue of them not coming forward.
There go you again, attempting to justify blatant sexist, patriarchal control over women by telling yourself that its 'about there own safety'.
Moreover I find it hilarious that a wife of a muslim can be tried and executed for adultry, whereas the husbands are polygamous and sleep around. Another example of sexism that can't be ignored. You say western feminism does not apply to islam, which is because muslim women simply don't have the right to be a feminist.
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