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There is some controversy between different sects of Muslims on this topic. I will be discussing the topic below. Usually, Muslims quote the verse on Khatamun Nabiyeen and say that means that prophet hood has ended: "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things. (33:41)
However closer anaylsis on this verse leads to the conclusion that the end of prophet is not meant here. What is meant is that the Holy Prophet (sa) is the best of all prophets. First of all the word used is Khatam which means he sealed or he stamped.
The word khatam itself is used to show the rank of someone and their superiority. This word is known as “Ism Ala”. Ism Alah of the word khatam would basically mean the tool with which a mark is stamped or a seal. Now let us see how the word khatam has been used for other people and what it means when referring to a rank of someone. Here are some examples:
Abu Tammam was a poet and was called Khatamush Shu’ara, meaning the chief of the poets. He is from the years 188-231 A.H, yet no Muslim believes he was the last of poets (Wafiyat-ul-Ayan, Volume 1)

Abu Al-Tayyib was also called khatamush shu’ara (Muqaddimah Diwan al-Mutanabbi, Page 10)

Hazrat Alira is called khatam-ul-Auliya, the chief of the friends of Allah, meaning the chief of the saints (Tafsir saifi, Surah Al Ahzab)

Imam Suyuti was called Khatam-ul-Muhaddithin, the cheif of the specialists in Ahadith (Title page of Tafsi Itqan)

Hazrat Shah Waliyyullah Dehlavi is also called Khatam-ul-Muhaddithin(Ujalah Nafiah By Shah Abdul Aziz)

Every human is called khatam-ul-Mukhulqat al-Jismaniyyah meaning the chief of all creatures (Tafsir Kabir, Volume 6, Page 22)

Ibn Hajar-al-Asqalani was called Khatam-ul-Huffaz, the chief of the memorizers (Title page of Tabaqat-ul-Mudallisin)

Hazrat Isaas was called Khatam-ul-Asfiya-ul-A’immah, the chief of the chosen leaders (Baqiyyatul-Mutaqaddimin, Page 184)
So Khatam is used as praise and it makes sense according to the context. The verse was revealed because the Meccans accused that look the Holy Prophet (sa) has no heir to take his place after he has passed away. In refutation to this allegation Allah revealed this verse that Muhammad (sa) may not have any heir, but he is the best of all the prophets. Now if the meaning was said to be the last prophet how is that something to praise about. Being the last of something is not praiseworthy and here Allah is praising the Holy Prophet (sa).
Also the Holy Qur'an states: "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these." (4:70)
One of the spiritual status that Muslim can earn is prophethood as shown in this verse, meaning prophets can still come.
Also it is prophecized that the second coming of Hadhrat Isa (as) in many hadith. Therefore, even the Holy Prophet (sa) prophecized more prophets.
Now it can't be the literal return of Hadhrat Isa (as) for he has died according to the Holy Qur'an:
When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ. (3:56)
LAso if we look at history a similiar prophecy was made regarding Hadhrat Elija (as) . It was prophecized that Hadhrat Elija (as) will come before the coming of the Messiah, Hadhrat Isa (as). However he didn't come literally rather John the Baptist (or Hadhrat Yahya (as) ) came as the second coming. Likewise the same meaning is applied here.
They are many other verses and points that prove prophethood, but I will like that my brothers ponder on this point.
 Will they not, then, meditate upon the Qur’an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much disagreement (4:83).
Remember the Holy Qur'an can't have any contradictions for it is from Allah.
Jazak'Allah
Wassalam.


 
There is no controversy aming the Muslims about finality of Prophethood. As Muslims we do not believe that Isa alyhissalaam died nor that he is buried in India. Qadiyanis do have this erroneous belief however.
 
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However closer anaylsis on this verse leads to the conclusion that the end of prophet is not meant here. What is meant is that the Holy Prophet (sa) is the best of all prophets. First of all the word used is Khatam which means he sealed or he stamped.
The word khatam itself is used to show the rank of someone and their superiority. This word is known as “Ism Ala”. Ism Alah of the word khatam would basically mean the tool with which a mark is stamped or a seal. Now let us see how the word khatam has been used for other people
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How it has been used for other people is not how one determines the meaning in the Qur'an. This is a non-argument.

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o Khatam is used as praise and it makes sense according to the context.
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Nice try, but it does not mean best nor praise. We are not going to take peaceforall as our mufassir of the Qur'an. We take Allah's words, we take the Prophet's (sallalahu alayhi wa sallam) explanation as recorded in the hadeeth, then we look at the righteous sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them), their students, and the early righteous scholars/mufassireen.

Nor do we take interpretation of Qur'an from non-Muslims.

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Also the Holy Qur'an states: "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these." (4:70)
One of the spiritual status that Muslim can earn is prophethood as shown in this verse, meaning prophets can still come.
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I am not sure which translation you are using for 4:69, but it is incorrect. The Arabic word used is ma'a, which means with. The translators have translated this as with, or in the company of. It does not mean that we will become prophets - we seek Allah's refuge from such twisting of His words.

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Now it can't be the literal return of Hadhrat Isa (as) for he has died according to the Holy Qur'an:
When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ. (3:56)
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No, this refers to his second coming. Clearly Allah says he wasn't killed or crucified, but that Allah took him up to himself.

You believe he died and was buried in Indian Kashmir, correct?

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Will they not, then, meditate upon the Qur’an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much disagreement (4:83).
Remember the Holy Qur'an can't have any contradictions for it is from Allah.
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Absolutely. And it doesn't as I have shown. It is Qadiyanis (and/or their false prophet) who try to twist the meanings of Allah's words.

Incidentally, do you know what the books your prophet wrote, say about Jesus (peace be on him), what your false prophet has said about Isa alyhissalaam?

Christ had the habit of calling names and abusing. He got furious at petty things; he was a prey to his emotions. And often he used to tell a lie. (Roohani Khazain: V: 11, P: 289)

It is a matter of shame that he stole the teachings of the mountain that is the crux of the Bible, from the Jews’ Book, Talmud. After this plagiarism he revealed them as his own teachings. (Roohani Khazain: V: 11, P: 290)

The Christians have written much about Christ’s miracles, but the fact is that he had none. And when he abused people who were demanding miracles, the pious people broke all connections with him. (Roohani Khazain: V: 11, P: 290)

Christ belonged to a very 'virtuous' family. Three of his maternal and paternal grandmothers were adulterers and prostitutes. He had the blood of these women in his veins, but perhaps this was also an eternal requirement. (Roohani Khazain: V: 11, P: 291)

Taking wine has caused much loss to the Europeans. Perhaps they have the justification that Christ himself took wine; he took wine because of some disease or he was a habitual drinker as the case may be. (Roohani Khazain: V: 19, P: 71)

Once a friend of mine suggested that opium is good for diabetics. So it is not bad to use it for the sake of treatment. I replied to him, “Thank you for your concern, but if I develop the habit of taking opium, I fear people will laugh and say that the first Christ was a drunkard and the second one an opium-eater”. (Roohani Khazain: V: 19, P: 434-435)

God sent His Promised Christ (Masseah–e–Maud) towards the Ummah, who is superior to the first Christ in all respects. He named the second Christ as Ghulam Ahmed. (Roohani Khazain: V: 18, P 233)

No decent person can think such things, let alone write them in so called scriptures!
 
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And who believe in (the Quran and the Sunnah) which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad Peace be upon him ) and in [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.] which were sent down before you and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter. (Resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds, Paradise and Hell, etc.). (Qur'an 2:4)

Just by looking at (Qur'an 2:4) we can see that Muhammad (SAW) is the Final Messenger to Mankind. We believe in the Quran and what was sent down before. Notice that we are not told to believe in another book brought by another Messenger in the future.

So yes Prophethood has already ended.
 
OP is a Qadiani Mirzai (who incorrectly call themselves Ahmadis) kafir!

They believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad from Qadiani was Imam Mahdi, the Messiah, a prophet and a Rasool!

And BTW OP, the easiest refutation to the nonsense you have written is the ijma' of the ummah. The salaf understood what the verse means infinitely better than juhaal like you who don't even know a word of Arabic!
 
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Peaceforall said:
There is some controversy between different sects of Muslims on this topic. I will be discussing the topic below. Usually, Muslims quote the verse on Khatamun Nabiyeen and say that means that prophet hood has ended: "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things. (33:41)
However closer anaylsis on this verse leads to the conclusion that the end of prophet is not meant here. What is meant is that the Holy Prophet (sa) is the best of all prophets. First of all the word used is Khatam which means he sealed or he stamped.
The word khatam itself is used to show the rank of someone and their superiority. This word is known as “Ism Ala”. Ism Alah of the word khatam would basically mean the tool with which a mark is stamped or a seal. Now let us see how the word khatam has been used for other people and what it means when referring to a rank of someone. Here are some examples:
Abu Tammam was a poet and was called Khatamush Shu’ara, meaning the chief of the poets. He is from the years 188-231 A.H, yet no Muslim believes he was the last of poets (Wafiyat-ul-Ayan, Volume 1)

Abu Al-Tayyib was also called khatamush shu’ara (Muqaddimah Diwan al-Mutanabbi, Page 10)

Hazrat Alira is called khatam-ul-Auliya, the chief of the friends of Allah, meaning the chief of the saints (Tafsir saifi, Surah Al Ahzab)

Imam Suyuti was called Khatam-ul-Muhaddithin, the cheif of the specialists in Ahadith (Title page of Tafsi Itqan)

Hazrat Shah Waliyyullah Dehlavi is also called Khatam-ul-Muhaddithin(Ujalah Nafiah By Shah Abdul Aziz)

Every human is called khatam-ul-Mukhulqat al-Jismaniyyah meaning the chief of all creatures (Tafsir Kabir, Volume 6, Page 22)

Ibn Hajar-al-Asqalani was called Khatam-ul-Huffaz, the chief of the memorizers (Title page of Tabaqat-ul-Mudallisin)

Hazrat Isaas was called Khatam-ul-Asfiya-ul-A’immah, the chief of the chosen leaders (Baqiyyatul-Mutaqaddimin, Page 184)
So Khatam is used as praise and it makes sense according to the context. The verse was revealed because the Meccans accused that look the Holy Prophet (sa) has no heir to take his place after he has passed away. In refutation to this allegation Allah revealed this verse that Muhammad (sa) may not have any heir, but he is the best of all the prophets. Now if the meaning was said to be the last prophet how is that something to praise about. Being the last of something is not praiseworthy and here Allah is praising the Holy Prophet (sa).
Also the Holy Qur'an states: "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these." (4:70)
One of the spiritual status that Muslim can earn is prophethood as shown in this verse, meaning prophets can still come.
Also it is prophecized that the second coming of Hadhrat Isa (as) in many hadith. Therefore, even the Holy Prophet (sa) prophecized more prophets.
Now it can't be the literal return of Hadhrat Isa (as) for he has died according to the Holy Qur'an:
When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ. (3:56)
LAso if we look at history a similiar prophecy was made regarding Hadhrat Elija (as) . It was prophecized that Hadhrat Elija (as) will come before the coming of the Messiah, Hadhrat Isa (as). However he didn't come literally rather John the Baptist (or Hadhrat Yahya (as) ) came as the second coming. Likewise the same meaning is applied here.
They are many other verses and points that prove prophethood, but I will like that my brothers ponder on this point.
Will they not, then, meditate upon the Qur’an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much disagreement (4:83).
Remember the Holy Qur'an can't have any contradictions for it is from Allah.
Jazak'Allah
Wassalam.
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It doesn't matter what these people meant by the word.

What did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad understand this word to mean?

“A girl was born with me whose name was Jannat. First she came out of womb. I followed her. After me no girl or boy was born to my parents and I was ‘Khatim Aulad’ (last in the chain of children)”
(Taryaqal quloob, p.157; Roohani Khazain, v.15 p.479)

See, even Ghulam Ahmad disagrees with you!
 
There are hadith that explain the meaning of that verse and clearly show there is no Prophet or Messenger after Muhammad :saws1: . Furthermore previous scriptures and Prophets would foretell the coming of another Prophet after them but neither the Quran nor the Prophet Muhammad :saws1: do so. Instead Prophet Muhammad :saws1: said there was no Prophet after him.
 
Surah Baqarah destroying Qadianism with one verse:

والذين يؤمنون بما أنزل إليك وما أنزل من قبلك وبالآخرة هم يوقنون


And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

(2:4)

NO MENTION OF SOMETHING BEING REVEALED AFTER HIM (Muhammad :saws:)!

End of the story.
 
Assalamoalaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
First of all you have no right to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. this is Allah's decision and no one else is the Judge. The Holy Qur'an says:
Say: ‘Do you dispute with us concerning Allah, while He is our Lord and your Lord? And for us are our works, and for you your works; and to Him alone we are sincerely devoted. (2:140)
You said how it has been used for other people doesn't matter. this is a baseless claim. The way we study arabic is through arabic lexicons and poetry, and arabic usuage at that time. To see how the word was used is exactly what we have to do if we want to understand the language.
You said it isn't used for praise, but than prove that it has not been used for praise. It is so obvious rom the context that Allah is praisning the Holy Prophet (sa) as a refutation of the allegation raised by the Meccans. Your own scholars agree with this.
Ḥ a ḍrat Maulawī Mu ḥammad Q āsim N ānotvī (A.H. 1248—A.H. 1297), a learned scholar of the recent past and the founder of the Deoband University, known far and wide, in the Indo-Pakistan sub-continent, as a center of oriental science, says: “The idea of the common people is that the Prophet of All āh (peace of All āh be on him and His blessings) is the Kh ātam, in the sense, that Forty Gems of Beauty—37 his period is at the end of that of rest of the prophets. But, to men of understanding it is clear that there is no superiority merely in precedence or in subsequence, in terms of period of time, as a mark of praise. How can then the verse “But He is the Messenger of All āh and the Seal of the Prophets” [33[AlAḥ z āb]:41] be appropriate in this sense? If, by way of supposition, a prophet were to appear after the Prophet of All āh (peace of All āh be on him and His blessings) it will not be a breach of the Mu ḥammadī Kh ātamiyyat.” (Ta ḥ zīrun-N ās, page 3 and p. 28)

Also they are countless other scholars that agree with this:
(1) The chief of mystics Ḥ a ḍrat Shaikh Akbar Mu ḥayyuddīn Ibni ‘Arabī (A.H. 560 to A.H. 638) says: “The prophethood that ceased with the coming of the Prophet of All āh—peace of All āh and His mercy be on him—is the law-bearing prophethood.” (al-Futūḥāt al-Makkiyyah, Vol. II, p. 3) (2) Ḥ a ḍrat Im ām Abdul-Wahhab Shīrā nī, a reputed Im ām (died A.H. 976) observes: “Prophethood as such did not cease with the advent of the Prophet of All āh (peace of All āh be on him and His blessings) but only the law- Forty Gems of Beauty—36 bearing prophethood came to a close.” (AlYaw ā qīt wal-Jaw āhir, Vol. I, p. 22) (3) Ḥ a ḍrat Shaikh Aḥmad Sirhindī, Mujaddid Alf-Th ā nī, (died A.H. 1034), a leading and reputed reformer of Isl ām says: “It is in no way repugnant to the sense of Kh ātaman-Nabiyyīn that the followers of the Prophet of All āh should attain to the excellences of prophethood, by virtue of their allegiance to him, as their heritage. So be not of the doubters.” (Makt ū b āt-i Aḥmadiyyah, Vol. I, letter No. 271) (4) Ḥ a ḍrat Shah Waliyyull āh Mu ḥaddath Dehlawi, Mujaddid of the 12th century Hijrah (born A.H. 1114, died A.H. 1176), widely known for his profound learning and whose exalted rank is acknowledged on all hands, says: “That the prophethood ended with the Holy Prophet (peace be on him and blessings of All āh) means that no prophet shall be raised after him bearing a new law.” (Tafhīm āt-iIl āhiyyah, Tafhīm 53)
 
Peaceforall said:
Assalamoalaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
First of all you have no right to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. this is Allah's decision and no one else is the Judge. The Holy Qur'an says:
Say: ‘Do you dispute with us concerning Allah, while He is our Lord and your Lord? And for us are our works, and for you your works; and to Him alone we are sincerely devoted. (2:140)
You said how it has been used for other people doesn't matter. this is a baseless claim. The way we study arabic is through arabic lexicons and poetry, and arabic usuage at that time. To see how the word was used is exactly what we have to do if we want to understand the language.
You said it isn't used for praise, but than prove that it has not been used for praise. It is so obvious rom the context that Allah is praisning the Holy Prophet (sa) as a refutation of the allegation raised by the Meccans. Your own scholars agree with this.
Ḥ a ḍrat Maulawī Mu ḥammad Q āsim N ānotvī (A.H. 1248—A.H. 1297), a learned scholar of the recent past and the founder of the Deoband University, known far and wide, in the Indo-Pakistan sub-continent, as a center of oriental science, says: “The idea of the common people is that the Prophet of All āh (peace of All āh be on him and His blessings) is the Kh ātam, in the sense, that Forty Gems of Beauty—37 his period is at the end of that of rest of the prophets. But, to men of understanding it is clear that there is no superiority merely in precedence or in subsequence, in terms of period of time, as a mark of praise. How can then the verse “But He is the Messenger of All āh and the Seal of the Prophets” [33[AlAḥ z āb]:41] be appropriate in this sense? If, by way of supposition, a prophet were to appear after the Prophet of All āh (peace of All āh be on him and His blessings) it will not be a breach of the Mu ḥammadī Kh ātamiyyat.” (Ta ḥ zīrun-N ās, page 3 and p. 28)

Also they are countless other scholars that agree with this:
(1) The chief of mystics Ḥ a ḍrat Shaikh Akbar Mu ḥayyuddīn Ibni ‘Arabī (A.H. 560 to A.H. 638) says: “The prophethood that ceased with the coming of the Prophet of All āh—peace of All āh and His mercy be on him—is the law-bearing prophethood.” (al-Futūḥāt al-Makkiyyah, Vol. II, p. 3) (2) Ḥ a ḍrat Im ām Abdul-Wahhab Shīrā nī, a reputed Im ām (died A.H. 976) observes: “Prophethood as such did not cease with the advent of the Prophet of All āh (peace of All āh be on him and His blessings) but only the law- Forty Gems of Beauty—36 bearing prophethood came to a close.” (AlYaw ā qīt wal-Jaw āhir, Vol. I, p. 22) (3) Ḥ a ḍrat Shaikh Aḥmad Sirhindī, Mujaddid Alf-Th ā nī, (died A.H. 1034), a leading and reputed reformer of Isl ām says: “It is in no way repugnant to the sense of Kh ātaman-Nabiyyīn that the followers of the Prophet of All āh should attain to the excellences of prophethood, by virtue of their allegiance to him, as their heritage. So be not of the doubters.” (Makt ū b āt-i Aḥmadiyyah, Vol. I, letter No. 271) (4) Ḥ a ḍrat Shah Waliyyull āh Mu ḥaddath Dehlawi, Mujaddid of the 12th century Hijrah (born A.H. 1114, died A.H. 1176), widely known for his profound learning and whose exalted rank is acknowledged on all hands, says: “That the prophethood ended with the Holy Prophet (peace be on him and blessings of All āh) means that no prophet shall be raised after him bearing a new law.” (Tafhīm āt-iIl āhiyyah, Tafhīm 53)
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You are such an ignorant person I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

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First of all you have no right to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. this is Allah's decision and no one else is the Judge. The Holy Qur'an says:
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Then why don't you go and condemn your own false prophet, who made takfeer of those who didn't believe in him, even if they hadn't heard of him.

What a jahil you are, and a completely clueless one at that.

Just like every other Qadiani I know, absolutely clueless about your own false cult.
 
This is a reply to the brother who just post verse (2:4). First of all within what is revealed, that is the Holy Qur'an it is mentioned a prophet will come and when he does we have to accept him. For example the prophecy of the second coming of Hadhrat Isa(as). Also the Holy Qur'an states, "O children of Adam! if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.; (7:36).
The In addition, Allāh, the Exalted, uses the f‘ailmudhāri‘ formation in the above verse while addressing thechildren of Adam which means that this still applies toeveryone today and will be applicable to everyone until the LastDay.
Now on the word Al- Akhir. First of all it is not the last day that is mentioned for the word youm is no where mentioned in the verse. The word “al-Akhir” (what is yet to come” means either “the message or revelation which is to follow” or “the Last Abode”, i.e. the next life. the first meaning is more applicable here for it fits in with the other two parts of the verse which speaks of God’s revelations.
"The subject of the matter of the latter part of this verse, referred to in the words, “what is yet to come” finds further explanation in 6:3,4 where the Qur’an speaks of two advents of the Holy Prophet. His first advent took place among the Arabs in the 7th century of the Christian era when the Qur’an was revealed to him; and his second advent was to take place in the latter days of the world in the person of one of his followers who was to come in his spirit and power. This prophecy found its fulfillment in the person of Ahmad, the Promised Messiah and Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, in whose advent have been fulfilled also the prophecies of other Prophets regarding the appearance of a World-Messenger in the latter days” (Five Volume Commentary of The Holy Qur’an page 35)
Examples:
Now, if you do well, you will do well for your own souls; and if you do evil, it wil lonly go against them. So when the time for the latter warning came, We raised a people against you to cover your faces with grief, and to enter the Mosque as they entered it the first time, and to destroy all that they conquered with utter destruction. (Chapter 17 Verse 8)
In this the word used is al-akhir, but even your own translator, Muhsin Khan has translated it as the latter warning.
Also:
We have not heard of this evenin the latest religion. This is nothing but a fabrication.(Chapter 38 Verse 8)
Pickthall has translated it as the latest religion while Yusuf Ali has translated it as the people of these latter days
This should suffice, but many examples can be cited.
 
What he referring to is that no one can be a true muslimunless he believes in him, but he has full authority to do so for he is a Prophet and God is speaking to him.
 
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What he referring to is that no one can be a true muslimunless he believes in him, but he has full authority to do so for he is a Prophet and God is speaking to him.
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Your 'prophet' was a Hanafi muqallid you blithering fool, knock some sense into that skull of yours.
 
Assalamo alaikum, brother they are clear prophecies made by The Holy Prophet (sa) and the Holy Qur'an as cited. Also most muslims believe in the second coming of Hadhrat Isa (as).
 
That is not a refutation it is just an opinion of scholars, ut as cied before they are other scholars that agree with us.
 
Anyway Mr. Qadiani, like I tell dem Qadianis whenever they come to me get it handed to them:

Proving the possibility of another prophet coming doesn't prove Ghulam Ahmad to be a prophet.

It just opens the door of the possiblity of a prophet coming.

Even if I accept all the utter nonsense you have no clue about you posted here, all it proves is that a prophet can come.

It doesn't prove Ghulam Ahmad is a prophet.

That is something you still have to do.
 
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That is not a refutation it is just an opinion of scholars, ut as cied before they are other scholars that agree with us.
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There are no scholars that agree with you, but that is irrelevant anyway.

I like how you conveniently dodged my post where I destroyed your whole cult using a single verse.

Here it is again, and let's see what your reply to it is:

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Surah Baqarah destroying Qadianism with one verse:

والذين يؤمنون بما أنزل إليك وما أنزل من قبلك وبالآخرة هم يوقنون


And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

(2:4)

NO MENTION OF SOMETHING BEING REVEALED AFTER HIM (Muhammad :saws:)!

End of the story.
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Peaceforall said:
Assalamo alaikum, brother they are clear prophecies made by The Holy Prophet (sa) and the Holy Qur'an as cited. Also most muslims believe in the second coming of Hadhrat Isa (as).
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Yes we believe Eesa will come, not Mr Hanafi Muqallid pretending to be the Maseeh.

And don't say salaam to me you zindeeq. I am not your brother.
 
Peaceforall said:
What he referring to is that no one can be a true muslimunless he believes in him, but he has full authority to do so for he is a Prophet and God is speaking to him.
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That's not what he said. He made takfeer you liar.

And I love how you Qadianis always refer to Allah as 'God' just like Mr. Hanafi Muqallid Prophet who calls Allah 'khuda' all the time in his books.

This itself is enough proof for any person with an iota of intelligence that your 'prophet' is a fake.
 
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