Who can speak Urdu here?

[noraina]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Yahan Urdu kaun bol sakte hain? Siway Hamza :D?

[strivingobserver98]

:wa:

کسی کو بھی یہ پڑھ سکتے ہیں؟

[Hamza :)]

wa'alaykumas salam

i iz spoke only englis, mostest bestest tongue. I knows no another tongue. My englis awesome good

[Hamza :)]

:wa:

کسی کو بھی یہ پڑھ سکتے ہیں؟

Google translate is never accurate :hmm:

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[Hamza :)]

tsk tsk no one?

dw i'll teach you guys in no time inshaAllah :D

[noraina]

کسی کو بھی یہ پڑھ سکتے ہیں؟

Does that say 'Can someone read this?' lol. Bro, I know you speak Bengali but can you speak Urdu? :D

[noraina]

wa'alaykumas salam

i iz spoke only englis, mostest bestest tongue. I knows no another tongue. My englis awesome good

:D, but seriously, you are very fluent in both English and Urdu, ma'sha'Allah.

As a general observation, what annoys me is when Urdu-speakers come to the UK and within a year they have forgotten Urdu and pretend their broken English is their first language. :hmm: I don't get that.

[Hamza :)]

:D, but seriously, you are very fluent in both English and Urdu, ma'sha'Allah.

As a general observation, what annoys me is when Urdu-speakers come to the UK and within a year they have forgotten Urdu and pretend their broken English is their first language. :hmm: I don't get that.

haha you mean wannabe brits

[noraina]

Or coconuts. (that's what I call my cousins :D)

[Hamza :)]

Or coconuts. (that's what I call my cousins :D)

tch tch don't they get mad lol

[noraina]

The worst they say to me in return is mullani but I don't mind, lol. I say it if I'm really annoyed by their airs and graces.

Family never gets boring subhanAllah.

[ramen-thelegend]

alo!
may urdu bol sakti hoo.

aap say mazrat hay, mug se urdu angarazi may nahi laki jati!

may urdu lik or par sakti hoo!

[Hamza :)]

alo!
may urdu bol sakti hoo.

aap say mazrat hay, mug se urdu angarazi may nahi laki jati!

may urdu lik or par sakti hoo!

boht achi baat hai ye tou

[ramen-thelegend]

boht achi baat hai ye tou

ji ji
shakar ya! :D

[noraina]

Ma'sha'Allah, bohut achi baat hain Ramen.

Mein Urdu lik nai sakti, inshaAllah ahista ahista se I'll learn.

[Hamza :)]

Ma'sha'Allah, bohut achi baat hain Ramen.

Mein Urdu lik nai sakti, inshaAllah ahista ahista se I'll learn.

lekin aap arabi tou likh leti hain na waisay?

[ramen-thelegend]

I'll learn.

aap ka matlab hay "may seik loo gi"

lets all speak pure urdu ok? i'm a pathan and i'm in kpk so theres no one who really speaks "urdu". even the punjabi be putting angarazi in urdu!

[noraina]

lekin aap arabi tou likh leti hain na waisay?

Ji, lekin mein Arabi sirf copy karti hoon paintings ki liye. Mein Urdu par sakti hoon likin sahih tara likh nahi sakti - hamesha ghalat hote hain.

(This is so difficult writing in roman Urdu, :o angrezi bola, mazarat chahiye Ramen).

[noraina]

aap ka matlab hay "may seik loo gi"

Yeh meri matlab te, bool gey te.

[ramen-thelegend]

Yeh meri matlab te, bool gey te.

"te, bool gey te"
is ka kaya matlab hay?

[noraina]

I told you my Urdu transliteration was awful, lol.

It is meant to mean 'I forgot'. You can correct me please, jazakAllah khayr.

[Hamza :)]

nvm...

[Hamza :)]

I told you my Urdu transliteration was awful, lol.

It is meant to mean 'I forgot'. You can correct me please, jazakAllah khayr.

'yehi mera matlab thaa, main bhool gae thee'

[ramen-thelegend]

I told you my Urdu transliteration was awful, lol.

It is meant to mean 'I forgot'. You can correct me please, jazakAllah khayr.

*translation
ok, i guess i didn't get you there.
the only mistake was(i guess ) yeh mera matlab "tha"

[Hamza :)]

Ji, lekin mein Arabi sirf copy karti hoon paintings ki liye. Mein Urdu par sakti hoon likin sahih tara likh nahi sakti - hamesha ghalat hote hain.

(This is so difficult writing in roman Urdu, :o angrezi bola, mazarat chahiye Ramen).

practice karain aap, inshaAllah likhna bhi ajayega

[crookedrib]

Bolne koshesh karti hun lakin meri urdu boht totti pajji hai.

[BilalKid]

ap kaise hain

learn from: http://www.islamicboard.com/urdu/134...nner-urdu.html :shade:

[ramen-thelegend]

Bolne koshesh karti hun lakin meri urdu boht totti pajji hai.

bolne *ki koshesh karti hun lakin meri urdu biht totti *pari/parri hai

to app utha ligi-ay:D
sawar li gi-ay, yaha par:D

[ramen-thelegend]

waisay hamza bhai kiya may puch sakti hu hum wo thingy go hay jaisa sunai deta hay, mera matlab hay "hay" hum usko "hain" kayo bolatay hain?

ye har chiiz me akhir may n kayu daal detay hay?

aap se mazrat hay, jab may urdu sik rahi thi to meray sath koi bolne wala na tha aur uper say may pathan bhi hu, to meri urdu ka talafuz boht bora hay. aur me pahli bar urdu ko angarayzi may lik or par raji hu. ye intahai mushkal hay!

[ZeeshanParvez]

urdu bol bol key mey thak gya hoin...

[Hamza :)]

urdu bol bol key mey thak gya hoin...

angraiz broast :shade:

[Hamza :)]

waisay hamza bhai kiya may puch sakti hu hum wo thingy go hay jaisa sunai deta hay, mera matlab hay "hay" hum usko "hain" kayo bolatay hain?

ye har chiiz me akhir may n kayu daal detay hay?

aap se mazrat hay, jab may urdu sik rahi thi to meray sath koi bolne wala na tha aur uper say may pathan bhi hu, to meri urdu ka talafuz boht bora hay. aur me pahli bar urdu ko angarayzi may lik or par raji hu. ye intahai mushkal hay!

'hain' ya tou ehteraam k liye use hota hai, ya phir plural k liye (few exceptions to this rule)

jaisay 'imam sahab bemaar hain'

ya 'wo sab insaan hain'

[ZeeshanParvez]

angraiz broast :shade:

hahahah sahi bilkul sahi kaha jigr!

[Hamza :)]

hahahah sahi bilkul sahi kaha jigr!

wannabe angraiz :outta:

[noraina]

Acha, kaya haal hai app sab ka? :D InshaAllah sab theek se hoga? Pata nai mein kaya kaya bol rahe hoon likin practise toh karihe hoon, sahih?

[ramen-thelegend]

Acha, kaya haal hai app sab ka? :D InshaAllah sab theek se hoga? Pata nai mein kaya kaya bol rahe hoon likin practise toh karihe hoon, sahih?

may tik hoo!
gi gi bilkul!
waisay ghaar me kiya pakaya?
meray liyay bachaya?^o)

[noraina]

Daal chawal aur pakore, mmmmmm. Mazarat chahiya, ab kuch bi nai bacha, :D
Kya app ne khana kha liya?

[hisnameiszzz]

Hi.

Mai madrasah mein urdu ko parha aur mein likh bee sakta who. Mein bahoot kitabey parha jesay sahal urdu aur hazrat umar aur din key batay. Mein imtihan mai har baras pehlaa number arta tha.

But I have never spoken or used since I stopped Madrasa so am actually rather pleased I wrote the above just now. Hope you understand it all.

I know I shouldn't brag but I had an ace memory then and always came first every year without fail. The good old days. Now I am old, with noisy neighbours and on the verge of killing myself. Sigh.

[Hamza :)]

Acha, kaya haal hai app sab ka? :D InshaAllah sab theek se hoga? Pata nai mein kaya kaya bol rahe hoon likin practise toh karihe hoon, sahih?

alhamdulillah main theek.

*theek hoga

[Hamza :)]

Hi.

Mai madrasah mein urdu ko parha aur mein likh bee sakta who. Mein bahoot kitabey parha jesay sahal urdu aur hazrat umar aur din key batay. Mein imtihan mai har baras pehlaa number arta tha.

But I have never spoken or used since I stopped Madrasa so am actually rather pleased I wrote the above just now. Hope you understand it all.

I know I shouldn't brag but I had an ace memory then and always came first every year without fail. The good old days. Now I am old, with noisy neighbours and on the verge of killing myself. Sigh.

:sl:

Bro this sounds more like hindi to me. Are you originally indian by any chance?

You can always move bro :)

[hisnameiszzz]

I am Indian.

That's not Hindi. It's the Urdu I was taught. I promise.

I can't speak gujerati that we'll and I can't read or write it.

[Hamza :)]

I am Indian.

That's not Hindi. It's the Urdu I was taught. I promise.

I can't speak gujerati that we'll and I can't read or write it.

okay, usually i've heard some indians speak hindi like that. In urdu it would be, 'main nay urdu ko parha/ main nay urdu parhi. and 'main nay boht kitaabein parhi'......

i give you 10/10 for the effort :D

[anatolian]

Is Urdu written in latin or arabic alphabet?

[Hamza :)]

Is Urdu written in latin or arabic alphabet?

Arabic alphabet

[anatolian]

Arabic alphabet

I thought so but the latin transliteration is used widely it seems?

[Hamza :)]

I thought so but the latin transliteration is used widely it seems?

For texting and stuff, yes. Many people here don't have urdu keyboards and it's a painstaking task to type using virtual keyboards, so...

[crookedrib]

bolne *ki koshesh karti hun lakin meri urdu biht totti *pari/parri hai

to app utha ligi-ay:D
sawar li gi-ay, yaha par:D

Ah, pajji must be in Punjabi then

Daadi ammi aaj Pakistan se ayhai, uskisaat urdu me baat karnai ki koshesh karun gi in shaa Allaah. Aysai likne me tora ahsaan hai lakin mujhai bolne me mushkal lagti hai.

[ramen-thelegend]

Ah, pajji must be in Punjabi then

Daadi ammi aaj Pakistan se ayhai, uskisaat urdu me baat karnai ki koshesh karun gi in shaa Allaah. Aysai likne me tora ahsaan hai lakin mujhai bolne me mushkal lagti hai.

app akelay nahi hai:D. meray khayal may yaha par bohot se logo ko aisay lagta hay. dadaji kaisi hay? unko mera salam!!!

[waji]

ہم تو اردو لکھتے ہیں بول بھی لیتے ہیں جب بولنی ہوتی ہے ۔

[darullemon]

I can speak Urdu Alhumdulillah.

I urge all Muslim Men and women to make and effort inshaAllah to learn Urdu - Second Language of Islam.

[Scimitar]

Apun mumbai ka badhaa bhai hai, sumjai kya?

Agar naa samjai, toh hum gholi khilayenge, sur pur. Do supari de kar - khalaas.

Mogambo out

[noraina]

Apun mumbai ka badhaa bhai hai, sumjai kya?

Agar naa samjai, toh hum gholi khilayenge, sur pur. Do supari de kar - khalaas.

Mogambo out

Aha, always thought bro Scimi was a bhai - what if I decide to write down the translation? :D

[Moshy]

Yes I know Urdu. I am Pakistani

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

One brother has stated that Urdu is "the second language of Islaam". I would just like to make a small correction:

Urdu is one language from the languages of the Muslims. Islaam, on the other hand, has only one language, and that is Arabic. Arabic is the language of the Qur'aan, the language of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr, the language of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the language Allaah Ta`aalaa has chosen for this Ummah.

`Allaamah ibn `Asaakir رحمة الله عليه narrates in "at-Taareekh" that the language Nabi Aadam عليه السلام spoke in Jannah was Arabic.

Imaam Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shaybah رحمة الله عليه narrates that Ameer-ul-Mu'mineen Hadhrat `Umar رضي الله عنه said:

تعلموا العربية فإنها من دينكم

"Learn Arabic, for it is part of your Deen."

In fact, Hadhrat `Umar رضي الله عنه did not want those who are fluent in Arabic to speak any other language. He said:

لا تعلموا رطانة الأعاجم

"Don't learn the languages of the non-Arabs."

This was addressed to those who were fluent in Arabic.

It must be stated here that, for those who are not fluent in Arabic, there is no harm in speaking other languages, whether it be Urdu, Gujirathi, English, etc. amongst one another. However, two people who are both fluent in Arabic should not speak any other language with each other besides Arabic.

Imaam ibn Abi Shaybah narrates that once, Hadhrat Muhammad ibn Sa`d ibn Abi Waqqaas saw some Muslims speaking in Faarsi (Persian), so he asked them, "What is the matter with you that you have chosen Majoosiyyah (fire-worship) after having had Hanafiyyah (Monotheism)?"

That was how opposed he was to people capable of speaking Arabic fluently, choosing to speak in other languages instead.

In summary:

Islaam has only one language, and that is Arabic. All other languages are permissible, but they are not "Islaamic languages". They are languages spoken by Muslims.

والله تعالى أعلم

(P.S. I can read, write, speak and understand Urdu, but I rarely ever do so.)

والسلام

[500yardsoffo]

I can, as i'm from Pakistan.

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Urdu is a very easy language.

In SA, the majority of the Ulema converse with one another in Urdu. However, that isn't the right thing to do. There are numerous narrations which state that if people are able to speak Arabic fluently, they must not converse with each other in any other language. The Ulema know Arabic. They should be speaking Arabic with each other instead.

[anatolian]

Although I dont think that Arabic have such a superiority over other languages except being the language of Quran I am agree with Huzaifah ibn Adam. We Muslims of different nations should learn Arabic and speak to each other in arabic instead of english. We must overthrow the sovereignity of English. But all muslim nations including Arabs themselves are the clowns of the Anglosaxon influence. It will be so hard doing that.

[Scimitar]

Apun, Hindi bolta hai, mumbai ka bhai hoona, isi liye... tere jaisa kisi ki behen nahin hu, samjay kya? Agar na samjay? toh goli khilawunga... sab samaj mai aajayega.

Chal bachchoo, ek chai leyaa.

Dada

[talibilm]

Yes I know Urdu. I am Pakistani

:sl:

Though i am from Hindustan i do but not very fluently and could not still understand some precise words. ;D

[muslim brother]

the uk mosques have to prioritise arabic and english over urdu
both in the teaching of kids and in public lectures

[aaj]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

One brother has stated that Urdu is "the second language of Islaam". I would just like to make a small correction:

Urdu is one language from the languages of the Muslims. Islaam, on the other hand, has only one language, and that is Arabic. Arabic is the language of the Qur'aan, the language of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr, the language of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the language Allaah Ta`aalaa has chosen for this Ummah.

:wasalam:

Arabic is the language of the Quran. Which is different than saying language of Islam. Urdu can be said as second language of Islam because it is the 2nd most read and spoken language by the Muslims. It is also said to be the sister language of Arabic because of so much similarities between them. I knew of a sister who was of pakistani background but grew up speaking Arabic only. She was not good at urdu but if you start speaking urdu at very high level then the average urdu speaking person could not understand it but she understood just fine because of influence of Arabic over Urdu.

As for Arabic being the language of Jannah. I have to disagree with that and would like to see proof. Arabic is the language of the Arabs. Over centuries of language development, it evolved into many different languages among different nations. Arabs happen to be just one nation of people among so many. The Malaai'kah spoke the language of Jannah (whatever it was) among themselves. They spoke the language of the nation of people they were sent to, how else would the people understand them?

`Allaamah ibn `Asaakir رحمة الله عليه narrates in "at-Taareekh" that the language Nabi Aadam عليه السلام spoke in Jannah was Arabic.

Adam a.s. spoke the language of Jannah but that being the first language, all the rest that followed evolved from that one. To assume Arabic is the language of Jannah and all that is a hubris claim of the Arabs.

(P.S. I can read, write, speak and understand Urdu, but I rarely ever do so.)

That is not something to be proud of. If you are going to be a student of ilm and follow the footsteps of the scholars and dai then you need to learn other languages and communicate in them so the message of Islam can reach everybody.

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

:wasalam:

Arabic is the language of the Quran. Which is different than saying language of Islam. Urdu can be said as second language of Islam because it is the 2nd most read and spoken language by the Muslims. It is also said to be the sister language of Arabic because of so much similarities between them. I knew of a sister who was of pakistani background but grew up speaking Arabic only. She was not good at urdu but if you start speaking urdu at very high level then the average urdu speaking person could not understand it but she understood just fine because of influence of Arabic over Urdu.

As for Arabic being the language of Jannah. I have to disagree with that and would like to see proof. Arabic is the language of the Arabs. Over centuries of language development, it evolved into many different languages among different nations. Arabs happen to be just one nation of people among so many. The Malaai'kah spoke the language of Jannah (whatever it was) among themselves. They spoke the language of the nation of people they were sent to, how else would the people understand them?





Adam a.s. spoke the language of Jannah but that being the first language, all the rest that followed evolved from that one. To assume Arabic is the language of Jannah and all that is a hubris claim of the Arabs.



That is not something to be proud of. If you are going to be a student of ilm and follow the footsteps of the scholars and dai then you need to learn other languages and communicate in them so the message of Islam can reach everybody.

See this thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/-ilm-kno...il-arabic.html

[mission2succeed]

I can speak Urdu Alhumdulillah.

I urge all Muslim Men and women to make and effort inshaAllah to learn Urdu - Second Language of Islam.

Sorry but I beg to differ with you.
There is no proof that Urdu is the second language of Islam so please don't make false claims.
To add nowadays only two languages are beneficial:-
Arabic-because with out it you can not understand your religion in true light.
English-because it is language recognized worldwide.

[aaj]

See this thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/-ilm-kno...il-arabic.html

That does not give any proof. All it is saying is the the importance of learning arabic in order to understand the Quran. Had the prophet(:saws1:) come from Asia, the Quran would have been in Urdu or if he was from Japan the Quran would have been in Japanese. Moses .a.s. people spoke Hebrew so the Torah came in Hebrew to them. Muhammad's people spoke arabic so the Quran came in arabic to them. Yes it's important to learn and know the language in which the revelations came. That is the only important that language has. For someone of student of knowledge, one should not be going around making things up. Not only does that make that dai untrustworthy but also appear to be weak in ilm or basically a liar who exaggerates.



There is no mention in the Qur’aan or in the saheeh Sunnah – as far as we know – of which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. What is narrated concerning that is a hadeeth which is not soundly narrated from our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and some other reports (athaar).

List of farbricated hadith mentioned .....[]

The point is that there is no saheeh evidence to show which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. Hence we should refrain from speaking about this issue and not indulge in it, and we should refer knowledge of the matter to Allaah (may He be exalted), and focus instead on issues that will lead to good deeds in this world.

https://islamqa.info/en/83262

[mission2succeed]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Yahan Urdu kaun bol sakte hain? Siway Hamza :D?

It really bugs me why people get fixed on a particular language other than Arabic and English.
Who cares if someone can speak Urdu or not?

[islamirama]

It really bugs me why people get fixed on a particular language other than Arabic and English.
Who cares if someone can speak Urdu or not?

Because if you want to get to know the Muslims then you need to know the language spoken by majority of them. Arabic is the language of the Quran and most Muslims know only enough arabic to read the Quran, not even understand what they are reading.

Most spoken language among the Muslims is Urdu. It heavily borrowed from the arabic language, even the urdu script looks very very similar to the arabic. It is called the sister language of arabic. This is not my claim but what an Egyptian arabic speaking imam said. If you go to saudi you will find most business arabs and scholars speaking urdu as well so they can have access to most Muslims who go there. If you look int your community, you will find those of SE Asian background the most. IF you want to increase your prospects of marriage (for yourself or your kids) then you get to know SE Asians because that is where you will find the largest pool of candidates. The army that will march from khorasan will be speaking urdu not arabic. And they will wipe the arabs out. So while it bugs you, many other realize that urdu is the dominate language of the Muslims in terms of communications.

Urdu is one language from the languages of the Muslims. Islaam, on the other hand, has only one language, and that is Arabic. Arabic is the language of the Qur'aan, the language of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr, the language of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the language Allaah Ta`aalaa has chosen for this Ummah.

Are you arab by any chance ? ... Arabic is the language of the Arabs, its is the language of the Quran because the Quran was sent to a Prophet who happened to be among the Arabs. There is no proof of it being the language of of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr. Bring proof if you make such claims.

[noraina]

It really bugs me why people get fixed on a particular language other than Arabic and English.
Who cares if someone can speak Urdu or not?

It's just a general interest, ukhti, of course Arabic should be the primary focus of our interest when studying languages but within Islam there is also room for culture as long as it does not contradict with Islam.

Many members here, including me, have parents and grandparents who speak Urdu as a first language, so naturally growing up I learnt that as a second language. My grandmother doesn't know either English or Arabic, Urdu is the only way I communicate with her.

Urdu is a beautiful language in its own right and I don't see the harm in just trying some sentences in it for fun. I've almost made a thread for learning Farsi/Persian as it's directly related to my ethnicity as well, doesn't mean I assume Arabic is less important to learn or Persian is the language of Islam, it's just a language with a wonderful cultural heritage and a wealth of literature, Rumi, Hafez, ect.

Wa alaykum assalam

[Scimitar]

Urdu, second language of Islam - LOL, what a load of nonsense.

When will patriotic types learn to quieten down?

In Pakistan Urdu is mostly learned as a second or a third language as nearly 93% of Pakistan's population has a native language other than Urdu.

Chutney

Scimi

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

That does not give any proof. All it is saying is the the importance of learning arabic in order to understand the Quran. Had the prophet(:saws1:) come from Asia, the Quran would have been in Urdu or if he was from Japan the Quran would have been in Japanese. Moses .a.s. people spoke Hebrew so the Torah came in Hebrew to them. Muhammad's people spoke arabic so the Quran came in arabic to them. Yes it's important to learn and know the language in which the revelations came. That is the only important that language has. For someone of student of knowledge, one should not be going around making things up. Not only does that make that dai untrustworthy but also appear to be weak in ilm or basically a liar who exaggerates.



There is no mention in the Qur’aan or in the saheeh Sunnah – as far as we know – of which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. What is narrated concerning that is a hadeeth which is not soundly narrated from our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and some other reports (athaar).

List of farbricated hadith mentioned .....[]

The point is that there is no saheeh evidence to show which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. Hence we should refrain from speaking about this issue and not indulge in it, and we should refer knowledge of the matter to Allaah (may He be exalted), and focus instead on issues that will lead to good deeds in this world.

https://islamqa.info/en/83262

Don't let nationalism cause you to reject Ahaadeeth. You quoted IslamQA, which is al-Munajjid. Do you think he agrees with what you have written? He follows Shaykh-ul-Islaam's view that it is not known that Arabic is the language of Jannah and that the matter should be left to Allaah Ta`aalaa; however, he will never deny that Arabic is the language of the Muslims.

The Qur'aan is the Uncreated Kalaam of Allaah. It was always there, even before the creation of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, or the Arabs, or this Dunyaa, or anything else. Thus, to claim that it "could have been in Urdu or Japanese" is blatantly false. It could never have been in any other language besides Arabic, because it has Always been in Arabic, because it has always existed. It was not created.

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Are you arab by any chance ?

I mentioned in a few posts that yes, I am an Arab. Syrian, originally. You must have missed those posts.

In any case, that is irrelevant. What I have said has got nothing whatsoever to do with being Arab. It has to do with Islaam. If I was an Afghan from Afghanistan, I would have said exactly the same thing.

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

The army that will march from khorasan will be speaking urdu not arabic. And they will wipe the arabs out.

Where did you get this from? Who told you this?

[Scimitar]

Where did you get this from? Who told you this?

From DC or Marvel, it seems :D

Scimi

[Scimitar]

Salam. Is this zikr in Urdu? It sounds so amazing..

With musical instruments :D fail.

Dhikr is not a public display of theatrics such as this guy and others from India/Pakistan partake in - I hear its a big money making business, these qawwali's and ghazals posing as dhikr.

It's time to tell it like it is - charity is something we do in private, so much so that we are told that when we give alms to the poor, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand gives out.

Much in the same way, it can be argued that dhikr is not a public display of piety, it never was. Yet - here we are, musical instruments, ghazals/qawwali's...

Anyone remember Nusrat Fatel Ali Khan? He used to get dead drunk on booze before he sat down to sing his "Dum Mastkalander" among others... some of which were religiously inspired.

It's time you woke up and recognised that just because something sounds beautiful, it doesn't necessarily make it so.

Scimi

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

http://www.salafi-dawah.com/ruling-o...s-created.html

[islamirama]

I mentioned in a few posts that yes, I am an Arab. Syrian, originally. You must have missed those posts.

In any case, that is irrelevant. What I have said has got nothing whatsoever to do with being Arab. It has to do with Islaam. If I was an Afghan from Afghanistan, I would have said exactly the same thing.

Don't let nationalism cause you to make claims you can't prove.

Where did you get this from? Who told you this?

No one. I'm making an assumption here based on the fact that khorsan region consists of afghanistan and parts of pakistan and iran. They don't speak arabic there but they do speak urdu. And the army will march towards india and conquer those hindus before going back to the arabs who will refuse to offer them food and they will be wiped out.

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If I'm correct bro Huzaifah, the Qur'an is a part of the Preserved Tablet and Pen which were the very first creation, correct?

If so, it can be argued that the Qur'an is indeed a creation, but one which precedes "creation" (ie: the universe) as we know it.

I'm fascinated to hear your answer in sha Allah.

Scimi

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

The Qur'aan itself is separate from the al-Lohw wal-Qalam. It is the Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa. People wrote the Qur'aan down as it was revealed, yes. However, the Qur'aan is the Direct Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa. Those speaking have never studied `Aqeedah. All Madhaahib of `Aqeedah, i.e. Ash`ari, Maatureedi, Athari (Salafi), agree that the Qur'aan is the Uncreated Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa. The Speech of Allaah is an Attribute of His. No Attribute of Allaah is "created". If an Attribute of Allaah is "created" it would entail that He Himself is "created". This is the view given by Imaam at-Tahaawi and all of the other giants of `Aqeedah for the last 1,400+ years of Islaam.

The Qur'aan itself, in Arabic, is the Direct Speech of Allaah.

[noraina]

SubhanAllah....

Surely the simple answer to this is that without doubt the language of the Qur'an and the Hadith, and so the lingua franca of Islam, is the Arabic language. And anyone who wishes to further their understanding of Islam should most definitely study Arabic as opposed to any other language.

And Urdu or Chinese or Spanish or whatever are *not* the languages of Islam or required to have an understanding of the faith. However within Islam is the room for culture as long as it does not contradict with our deen.

So, there's no harm in speaking Urdu or any other language so long as we do not give it precedence over the necessity of learning Arabic and do not give the impression Urdu is necessary for a Muslim to learn. It's not - it's one of the many languages the people of the Ummah speak - and the one language we are united by is Arabic, the language of the Qur'an and the Hadith, the prayers we recite in salah are in Arabic, the greeting Assalamu Alaykum is in Arabic, ect.

Allah swt knows best.

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

No one. I'm making an assumption here based on the fact that khorsan region consists of afghanistan and parts of pakistan and iran. They don't speak arabic there but they do speak urdu. And the army will march towards india and conquer those hindus before going back to the arabs who will refuse to offer them food and they will be wiped out.

1) Incorrect. Someone did tell it to you. It was Shaytaan.

2) There is no room for "assumptions" in Deen. Someone else can "assume" that white unicorns with rainbow coloured horns exist and leprechauns in green uniforms ride around on them in magical forests where other people can't see. If you can make an assumption, so can he.

3) Where did you get this from? Khuraasaan and its people do not only speak Urdu. India, Pakistani, Bangladesh, Afghanistan don't all have only one language. The language the people of that army will be speaking has not been mentioned. Also, where have you received this information from that they will go to some Arabs who will refuse them food and will then be wiped out? How will they be wiped out? Which Arabs will they go to? The Saudi family? There are millions upon millions of Arabs in the world, all around the world. Which Arabs will they wipe out? They will go to a handful of Arabs, and this handful won't offer them food, and then they will travel around the world killing all the Arabs they can find? But wait, they'll have a Huge problem! The Mahdi is among them! And - oh no... - what is he? An Arab... So they will have to start with him first, isn't it? Who is more of an Arab than him?

Ridiculous...

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Not the Words of Allah

A very simple question for you:

What language are the "Words of Allaah" in? Arabic.

You have some huge misunderstanding. This, that we have, is the Qur'aan. There is no "other" Qur'aan that is in some other language. That is a Kufr belief. A Shi`a belief. That is not the belief of Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jamaa`ah. The Qur'aan is the Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa and it is in only one language, and that is Arabic. Jibreel عليه السلام conveyed the Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa - Arabic - to Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم.

[aaj]

You have some huge misunderstanding.

Arabic is the language of the Qur'aan, the language of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr, the language of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the language Allaah Ta`aalaa has chosen for this Ummah.
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I'm just a laymen, you are the student of knowledge with access to all those books and scholars. So when do you think you will be able to bring proof for those claims of yours?

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

I'm just a laymen, you are the student of knowledge with access to all those books and scholars. So when do you think you will be able to bring proof for those claims of yours?

The `Ulamaa are divided on the issue. Those who follow Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah's view maintain that there is no proof that Arabic is the language of Jannah, and the Qabr, etc. However, there were many `Ulamaa besides Imaam ibn Taymiyyah who did not hold his view and they, in turn, maintained that the language of Jannah will be Arabic. See the following website:

http://hadithanswers.com/the-language-of-jannah/

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The `Ulamaa are divided on the issue. Those who follow Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah's view maintain that there is no proof that Arabic is the language of Jannah, and the Qabr, etc. However, there were many `Ulamaa besides Imaam ibn Taymiyyah who did not hold his view and they, in turn, maintained that the language of Jannah will be Arabic. See the following website:

http://hadithanswers.com/the-language-of-jannah/

I honestly don't care what the language is in heaven - I have no idea why it even matters to Muslims.

Bro Huzaifah, maybe you can give these idiots some advice on how to measure what is important and what is just a waste of time.

Scimi

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Bro Huzaifah, maybe you can give these idiots some advice on how to measure what is important and what is just a waste of time.

That's good advice. I will take it myself, first and foremost, and not waste anymore time in this thread as it has now simply gone off-topic and whatever needed to be said has already been said.

Final advice to brothers aaj and islamirama: I notice that one (or both of you) quote from IslamQA. Meaning you accept al-Munajjid, correct? Write to him and ask him about your beliefs regarding the Qur'aan and the Arabic language, and see what he says. If you write to him in Arabic he replies back sooner, but if you will be writing to him in non-Arabic, then one of the students will have to translate your question to him first and translate his answer back to you, so you'll have to wait patiently for a few days.

Was-Salaam.

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I'm out too, bro Huzaifah.

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Scimi

[anatolian]

There is so much nationalism in this thread finally. And this is a reflection of today's Muslim enviroment. Arabs are nationalist, Pakistanis are nationalist, Indians are nationalist, Turks are the professors of nationalism etc. etc.. There is even a sister who promotes English language ;D

This is why we cannot achive the union of ummah today.

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I'm Indian, but no patriot to the nation lol. I don't believe in the concept of bordered nations. Mankind may have to deal with it, but we don't have to "believe in it".

Scimi