Muslim family owning slaves

[Sophie.678]

Hello everyone. I was told to change my username so I have and I want to repost this. From my limited understanding of Islam, are slaves allowed to be owned? I have found various verses supporting owning of slaves and is it permissible for someone to willingly submit themselves to be a slave? Or can a slave only be taken during a war? If someone willingly consents to being your slave, is this allowed? Many thanks. So to clarify, I want to be a slave / servant to a Muslim family and want to know if I willingly request to become their slave / servant, is this allowed? Please don't close this thread, I'm being serious... I just want to know.

[anatolian]

You can serve whom so ever you want. You dont have to be a " legal servant" for this..Can I ask why do you want such a thing?

[Sophie.678]

Well because I enjoy having order and structure in my life and an Muslim family is traditionally usually very ordered and disciplined and therefore it would provide me with the order I like. I'm a Christian (kind of) but Christian families just don't have that regimented order I am looking for.

[noraina]

Why not look into Islam and consider converting. Then inshaAllah you can have that order and discipline to your life independent of serving anyone. I think a beautiful thing is that as Muslims we are the slave of no-one apart from our Lord.

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[Sophie.678]

Well I don't really want to convert or I have not looked into Islam enough to know if I want to convert or not. Besides like I said I require order and structure for my day to day life and so I would like to serve a Muslim family as this will bring about the order I want. When I say slave obviously I am not referring to someone in chains being beaten black and blue. I just mean I want to live under their roof, obey their rules and to serve their family, cooking, cleaning and to obey the husband and wife.

[EgyptPrincess]

So you'll live in their home and in exchange you'll basically be the families slave? Is this a fetish or are you homeless?

Anyway to answer your question, yes I believe Islam permits slaves to be held but I think it's only under wartime conditions.

And (also forbidden are) all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise. Quran (4:20)

Who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame. Quran (23:5-6)

O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission (before they come to your presence), on three occasions: before morning prayer; the while ye doff your clothes for the noonday heat; and after the late-night prayer: these are your three times of undress: outside those times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending to each other: Thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you: for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom. Quran (24-58)

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Quran (33:50)

['Abd-al Latif]

Islam does not take the freedom away from people through slavery even if you willingly give up your freedom. Islam encourages freeing slaves for the pleasure of Allah.

If you want order and discipline in your life then you're not going to find it through slavery.

[*charisma*]

No man in history ever wanted to be a slave. If you need discipline and structure in your life, then change your routine, the people you hang out with, and yes even your beliefs. You want to cook and clean for someone, be a maid/housekeeper? The discipline we get from our religion cannot be forced on someone else. There's no compulsion in Islam.

[Sophie.678]

I am female... I want someone else to run my life for me if that makes any sense. It's probably stereotypical but in Saudi Arabia or something I imagine the kings have servants (maybe slave is too strong a word) who sleep in the house, cook, clean, do all the chores and are at the command of the family. I want to be like one of those women who lives to serve the needs of another family. Basically a maid but where I live at their house also, not just work there.

[*charisma*]

Get married and serve your own family :unsure:
Or join the military, they'll love to order you around. :D

You are literally asking to be a live-in maid. Is that with or without pay? What's the difference between doing these things in a muslim household vs a nonMuslim household?

[sister herb]

No, that doesn´t make any sense (that you are female and want someone else to run your life).

Also, here isn´t any stereotype that Muslim families would be any more organized than some other families. Have you ever think to go to au pair? They are maids whose work and live with family and make household works.

If you feel yourself so unsecure that running your own life by yourself is impossible to you, maybe you should meet some specialist whose could help you to find the right way to live your life. No offence but kindly advice.

[Insaanah]

Greetings Sophie,

If you want servitude, there's only one type of servitude that you should be thinking of, and that is servitude to God, Glorified and Exalted be He. You want to obey a husband and wife. Make obeying God your priority instead. Find out what He wants of you, expects of you. We can help you with that. Obeying God gives structure and discipline in our lives. We submit to Him, and Him alone.

[Sophie.678]

Charisma, I don't want to join the military, I don't want to serve my own family. I have tried serving other Christian families and it's just not what I am looking for. I want to try a Muslim household as from my limited understanding, the family structure is VERY regimented and structured. The husband is the head of the household, the wife obeys the husband and the kids obey the mother and their husband. There is a place for me in this environment... Others have said I should focus on obeying and serving god but Muslim women obey and serve their husbands so why can't I obey and serve a Muslim family? If I converted to Islam I would be able to obey my husband but I don't believe in Islam, well I've not really researched into it but for now I just want to serve someone's family.

[Insaanah]

I want to try a Muslim household as from my limited understanding, the family structure is VERY regimented

It's not. Sorry to disappoint.

[Regrets1]

Muslims (women and men) Obey Allah swt..Muslim women do obey their husband but only when he's right and wants them to do what Allah loves, he wants the wife to do what pleases the Lord, so in that case even when Muslim women are obeying their husbands they are actually obeying and doing what God loves..hope it makes sense

['Abd-al Latif]

Charisma, I don't want to join the military, I don't want to serve my own family. I have tried serving other Christian families and it's just not what I am looking for. I want to try a Muslim household as from my limited understanding, the family structure is VERY regimented and structured. The husband is the head of the household, the wife obeys the husband and the kids obey the mother and their husband. There is a place for me in this environment... Others have said I should focus on obeying and serving god but Muslim women obey and serve their husbands so why can't I obey and serve a Muslim family? If I converted to Islam I would be able to obey my husband but I don't believe in Islam, well I've not really researched into it but for now I just want to serve someone's family.

What's wrong with your family? Why don't you want to serve them?

[*charisma*]

Others have said I should focus on obeying and serving god but Muslim women obey and serve their husbands so why can't I obey and serve a Muslim family? If I converted to Islam I would be able to obey my husband but I don't believe in Islam, well I've not really researched into it but for now I just want to serve someone's family.

How about we start from there?? Learn about Islam, and maybe you will like it and connect with it more? If you're not getting the discipline you're looking for in your faith, then why not be open to learning about a faith/people you're already gravitating towards?

[Sophie.678]

Abd-al Latif, I don't really have a family as I was taken away from my parents when I was young and put into foster care. I don't really want to talk about my foster parents but I have not spoken with them since I was younger, I basically don't have a family of my own... Charisma, Maybe I will look into it but at the moment I have no desire to learn Islam, I just want to experience living under a Muslim household and serving them because this is what I do best and what makes me happy. Taking care of other peoples problems like cooking, cleaning, gardening etc makes me feel good but only if it's serious and not casual like a cleaner, more like a servant or personal maid. Maybe once I see how it is and if I enjoy it, I might gravitate to Islam or something.

['Abd-al Latif]

Then work in a Muslim restaurant if you want to serve the Muslim community. This thread isn't going to get anywhere and I'm inclined to close it. Wanting to be a slave/servant in someone's household for the mentioned reasons is creepy and bizarre. I'm really not going to get into the details of it if you can't understand why this freakish desire isn't going to be appealing to anybody. Whatever slavery or bondage you're expecting from random people is never going to happen.

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