is Working on line is Genuine & halal ?

[talibilm]

:sl: Brothers & Sisters.

Has any brother, Sister has worked online Where Pop ups say that So & So made 10,000s of $ working from home only few days a week in Google etc.

What sort of work is it . Does it promote haram products or do haram actions like robbing others work etc ?

Kindly share your infos

Jazakallah khair

[Abz2000]

Choose the halaal, some people make much more than $10,000 in a few days just designing software, reading legal documents etc.

If an ad promoting adserv etc tells you that, look into it to consider what you might really make, and think carefully if it tells you to make an advance payment.....

[ardianto]

:sl: Brothers & Sisters.

Has any brother, Sister has worked online Where Pop ups say that So & So made 10,000s of $ working from home only few days a week in Google etc.

What sort of work is it . Does it promote haram products or do haram actions like robbing others work etc ?

Kindly share your infos

Jazakallah khair

:wa:

Few people indeed, can gain 10,000s of $ working online from home only few days a week. However, it's because previously they work hard and never give up in their effort to reach this level. While many other people who did not work hard and easily give up failed. Unfortunately the ad maker hide this fact and create impression that everyone can gain big money easily through that business.

They do not promote haram product or haram action. They just dishonest in their promotion.

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

It is possible to earn a lot of money working from home, doing freelance work online. That is what the ads are referring to.

Also, you could run a business from home by setting up an e-commerce website (use something like Open Cart; it's one of the best). That way, you won't have any overheads, and the cost to host the website isn't a lot.

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[Abz2000]

I used to buy and sell laptops online and from home, the laptops that i'd sometimes buy for parts to repair others ended up becoming a small mountain so i decided to focus for a while on taking nice pictures of the individual parts and advertising those, i began to find myself walking to the post office every day with a growing bundle of parcels and much less headache than actually buying, fixing and selling.

[talibilm]

:wa:

Few people indeed, can gain 10,000s of $ working online from home only few days a week. However, it's because previously they work hard and never give up in their effort to reach this level. While many other people who did not work hard and easily give up failed. Unfortunately the ad maker hide this fact and create impression that everyone can gain big money easily through that business.

They do not promote haram product or haram action. They just dishonest in their promotion.

Jazakallah for your info.

[talibilm]

It is possible to earn a lot of money working from home, doing freelance work online. That is what the ads are referring to.

Also, you could run a business from home by setting up an e-commerce website (use something like Open Cart; it's one of the best). That way, you won't have any overheads, and the cost to host the website isn't a lot.

Jazakallah Bro, May the ummah particularly our Sisters & Daughters get benefitted by this useful suggestions and Earn Halal Rizk.

[talibilm]

I used to buy and sell laptops online and from home, the laptops that i'd sometimes buy for parts to repair others ended up becoming a small mountain so i decided to focus for a while on taking nice pictures of the individual parts and advertising those, i began to find myself walking to the post office every day with a growing bundle of parcels and much less headache than actually buying, fixing and selling.

Jazakallah bro, good idea . Keep it up.

[Abz2000]

Jazakallah bro, good idea . Keep it up.

That was back in england until that too had wrenches thrown in it......

[kritikvernunft]

Has any brother, Sister has worked online Where Pop ups say that So & So made 10,000s of $ working from home only few days a week in Google etc. What sort of work is it . Does it promote haram products or do haram actions like robbing others work etc?

There is no something like easy money or a free lunch. So, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. These adverts are most likely misleading and deceptive. There are opportunities to make quite a bit of money, but they will not be advertized like that.

You have the line. The line really exists. Below the line, there are more candidates than jobs. The further you go below the line, the worse it becomes. Above the line, there are more jobs than candidates. The further you go above the line, the greater the imbalance becomes.

Sufficiently far above the line, it does not make sense to advertize. All candidates are already working on something. Hiring means paying expensive recruiters to find the candidates and talk them into quitting what they are doing now. It is hard. That is why recruiters are paid so much. These candidates are already making good money, and they would never respond to an advert. You cannot hire them in that way. There are lots of jobs that pay half a million dollars per year, but you will never see an advert for them. There would be no point, because these candidates are already making that kind of money elsewhere. The only way to get to come over, is to use recruiters.

Job adverts only exist below the line. All the jobs that you can see advertized, do by definition not pay well.

If you want to make a lot of money, you will first have to cross the line. You will notice that you have, because you will start disliking recruiters. You know, $10 000 / month is not necessarily above the line:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-sa...cebook-in-2015
I interned at Facebook last summer and was from the top 10% of the interns. I am not also studying at a top university. My offer was $105k base salary, $200k stocks over 4 years and one time $75k signing bonus.

Recent graduates almost never face an above-the-line situation. Especially, this signing bonus sounds very above the line. Companies offer signing bonuses to entice you to switch. In this case, there was not even anything to switch from. So, I don't see why they offered it. Furthermore, they obviously made this offer to him for his well-received contribution during his summer job.

Well below the line, it takes special effort to find a job. Well above the line, it takes special effort to find a candidate. Therefore, it is in everybody's best interest that you resolutely walk in the direction of the line, and try to cross it.

[talibilm]

That was back in england until that too had wrenches thrown in it......

Iblis throws hurdles when a Believer tries to earn halal. Indeed this life is a Tug of war for a Muhmin between Haram & halal where he has to persevere and remain steadfast . Iblis discourages him by whispering how long could you do that since you have to live a lengthy life of 70- 80 years but when you grew older (am nearly 50 now) you feel as if you have lived your life for just 5 or 10 years and all went very fast.

''And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives and crops; but give glad tidings to the steadfast,''

Noble Quran 77: 41-45 '' Verily, the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2) shall be amidst shades and springs, And fruits, such as they desire. "Eat and drink comfortably for that which you used to do.Verily, thus We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers)Woe that Day to the deniers (of the Day of Resurrection)!.''

16:96 ''Whatever is with you, will be exhausted, and whatever with Allah (of good deeds) will remain. And those who are patient, We will certainly pay them a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do.''

''The greatest terror (on the Day of Resurrection) will not grieve them, and the angels will meet them, (with the greeting): "This is your Day which you were promised."

''Indeed, those who have said, "Our Lord is Allah " and then remained on a right course - the angels will descend upon them, [saying], "Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised.''

''As accommodation from THE [Lord who is] Forgiving and Merciful."


'' Verily! I have rewarded them this Day for their patience, they are indeed the ones that are successful.''

[Muhaba]

:sl: Brothers & Sisters.

Has any brother, Sister has worked online Where Pop ups say that So & So made 10,000s of $ working from home only few days a week in Google etc.

What sort of work is it . Does it promote haram products or do haram actions like robbing others work etc ?

Kindly share your infos

Jazakallah khair

Well, you won't know unless you try it. But I wouldn't suggesting paying anyone anything to get started. Some companies just try to make money out of people by advertising that you can earn a lot of money easily and then making you buy some kit to get started and in the end it's too difficult to make even the cost of the kit. There are ways to earn money online and I've heard of people earning money through for example watching and sharing youtube videos. But I don't know how much you can earn that way and whether it is fully halal or you'll have to share all sort of videos including haram ones. I've also heard about people earning through freelance work like transcription writing etc. and there are websites like elance.com and others where you can try to get that sort of work.
I guess it's all mixed up and the legitimate work opportunities are hidden by the fake ones, which can be countless. Maybe there's a need for a legitimate online work index or something that helps people find online work easily.

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Well, you won't know unless you try it. But I wouldn't suggesting paying anyone anything to get started. Some companies just try to make money out of people by advertising that you can earn a lot of money easily and then making you buy some kit to get started and in the end it's too difficult to make even the cost of the kit. There are ways to earn money online and I've heard of people earning money through for example watching and sharing youtube videos. But I don't know how much you can earn that way and whether it is fully halal or you'll have to share all sort of videos including haram ones. I've also heard about people earning through freelance work like transcription writing etc. and there are websites like elance.com and others where you can try to get that sort of work.
I guess it's all mixed up and the legitimate work opportunities are hidden by the fake ones, which can be countless. Maybe there's a need for a legitimate online work index or something that helps people find online work easily.

Elance no longer exists. They merged with Freelancer, and oDesk merged with Upwork. Upwork is a good place to go for freelance jobs.

[kritikvernunft]

Elance no longer exists. They merged with Freelancer, and oDesk merged with Upwork. Upwork is a good place to go for freelance jobs.

Upwork still suffers from the same problems as the previous platforms.

For a starters, if you are a customer and you advertize that you need a sheep with five legs, you will see hundreds of applications and CVs of people claiming that they are sheep with five legs. Nature always materialize exactly what you have asked for. If you ask for people to declare that they are sheep with five legs and you clarify that you are willing to pay them for doing so, it is so obvious that you will receive exactly what you have asked for.

A second problem is that if you are a customer advertizing that you are looking for a sheep with five legs, there may indeed be such individuals around, few and far between, but they will not be interested in competing and doing a race to the bottom in terms of financial conditions, with people who they know, are obviously not sheep with five legs. Therefore, you are pretty much guaranteed that the real sheep with five legs will absolutely not be interested.

A third problem is that it is exceedingly hard to distinguish between people. No matter how you do that, people will always find a way to simulate it. CV? Well, no, in that case, you are only attracting expert CV writers.

A fourth problem is that the situation will easily turn into a business model where middlemen will bid on every customer request and out-compete the real workers, who are often less determined to spend day in day out in that kind of bidding contests. These middlemen will then only hire real workers themselves, when they have managed to land a contract. So, a customer will end up paying their budgets to determined middlemen, who will then try maximize their commission by paying their own workers as little as possible.

All of this, is not insurmountable, however. In the past, I have offered services on this kind of markets myself too. It just means that you have to be a battle-hardened naysayer who is used to nay-saying wars. It amounts to spending an inordinate amount of time proving that you have more willpower than everybody else over there. I consider that kind of situations with enormous proof-of-work requirements to be quite inefficient. It is worse than being a bitcoin mining machine. You will need to consume an inordinate amount of electricity to occasionally land a coin left or right.

The better strategy is to specialize in an activity that has very recognizable keywords. Then, post your resume in marketplaces that are much more specialized than UpWork. Whenever a potential customer contacts you, the proof-of-work characteristics of the situation will be much, much better. No bidding contest. No race to the bottom. Just a sincere conversation that could lead to a deal or not. If you just make sure that people looking for the keywords that you specialize in, can find you, you should be ok.

[Aay1K0]

Not sure about this, but before starting work with them you have to find out their details. Ignore and report, if you find any misleads or dilemmatic activity. Be safe, and always Earn Halal.

[kritikvernunft]

Not sure about this, but before starting work with them you have to find out their details.

In terms of getting paid, the customer MUST escrow. That guarantees that he has the money, and is willing to spend it, and that in case of dispute, someone else will be the judge of it. This system is pretty safe, if the judging third party is competent. Hence, you want a marketplace with a good reputation for adjudicating disputes. There are always 3 parties in a trade: the buyer, the seller, and the one who will be the judge of it in case of trouble. A 2-party trade does not work particularly well. A 3-party trade where it is the government who is the judge, is generally even worse than an unprotected 2-party trade.

UpWork is not that bad in that respect (even though they are certainly not fabulously good either).

It is like buying goods online. It is often safer than in the real world because the credit card company will be the judge of it. No matter how bad a judge the credit card company may be, their adjudication will never be as lousy, costly, and time-consuming as when the government does it. Always avoid governments as judges. They are the most incompetent persons to judge anything. You should never expect justice from governments. Even a riba/interest-infested bank has a stronger incentives to be fair than governments.

For any serious trade, if I can see that the government will be the judge of it, I will simply not participate in the trade. For example, UpWork would never adjudicate as lousily as that. That would be unthinkable.

In fact, you do not need the identity of the counterparty in order to trade. You only need them to escrow. What's more, if you exchange identities, it would allow the losing party to appeal to the government against the marketplace judge. It does not happen that often, but that is very undesirable. Therefore, not exchanging identities is actually better. It depends on whether you trust that particular marketplace for adjudicating fairly. If you do, you do not want any appeal to be possible against them, certainly not to corrupt governments. If you don't, you should actually not even trade there.

[talibilm]

:sl:

Any more answers please.