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Mustafa16
such as tablighi jamaat, gulen movement, nur movement or said nursi, sufi orders, etc.? are all of these bid'ah? should we only stick to the Qur'an and the sunnah? why or why not?
Asalaamualaykum Mustafa,
Before answering I would like to discuss the phrasing of the question.
You have mentioned a few groups, then asked if they on bidah and then suggested that the solution to this is following the Quran & Sunnah.
By doing this it seems that you already assumed that the group/s are not on the Quran and Sunnah.
Anyway - here is the answer.
To understand each group, you would have to talk to Scholars from each group. Some of the groups that you have mentioned have written hundreds of books explaining how they have derived their understanding of Fiqh, Aqeeda Etc. from Quran and Sunnah.
Many ahadith give strict warnings on accusation without proof or justification. For any person to accuse another of being out of the fold of the Quran & Sunnah, they would have to justify that on the day of reckoning. On that day we will be alone in the court of Allah with sidekicks to back us up.
We are living in times whereby much Takfir is made across groups without any real investigation. Magnifying that problem - the common layman jumps on the bandwagon and makes it worse by accusing people of bidah right up to making Takfir.
Most layman people who follow rulings today don't even know the derivation of that ruling itself from Quran and Sunnah - but yet are too quick to pull another group up because their ruling is different.
Let me give you an example:
A person who follows the hanafi madhab in most cases has no idea on the derivation and proof of that ruling. Wouldn't it be height of insulting our Deen should that person say that the counter Shafi/Hanbali/Maaliki/Salafi ruling is incorrect?
The only logical way to make a call that "my method is superior" to your method is to actually study both methods, with its proofs, with its derivations, with its counter-derivations etc. It is only then that a person can say that he is in a position to make a call and say that his method is superior.
In the same way that I explained a fiqh stance - lay the answer to your question.
The only time that ANYONE can make a call of superiority is if that person studies all the measures, proofs, counter-proof, principles Etc of the opposing group.
Then further to that its within the Sunnah to find a compromise first before creating disunity.
If you go on just YouTube alone - you will see what the neglect of this manifested into. It shocks the fluid in my spine to see how people disgrace other groups meanwhile they don't even know the evidences of their own.
Just take one issue on Salaah - whether you Salafi/Maaliki/Hanafi/Hanbali or Shafi - Do you seriously think that anybody in this entire forum can explain ALL THE EVIDENCES OF THEIR METHOD, THEN EXPLAIN WHY THEY DONT ACCEPT THE OTHER, THEN EXPLAIN IN EACH OF THE OTHER WHY THEY DERIVE THAT RULING, THEN DISPROVE THAT RULING, THEN DO THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE GROUP ?????
And that's only Salaah !!! Imagine the rest of the Deen !!!
I hope I made a point. Should you want to know about the position of another group - then go to the Ulema or write to them and ask them.
I have experienced cases in my life whereby people trying to prove that another group is on bidah etc - that they don't even know they have actually proved their own groups understanding of Quran and Sunnah wrong.
Wasalaam.