100 years of humiliation

Assalaam alaikum bros and sisters.

Since the khilafat fell - we've been humiliated beyond the scope of imagination... I'm trying to understand the depth of this humiliation but i'm overwhelmed by it - I see the current generation of Muslims and think to myself "we don't need further humiliation, we're doing fine by our selves in that department."

If you are interested in this topic, then please contribute your thoughts on the ways we have been humiliated and oppressed in the world as Muslims over the past 100 years.

Suqoon: Every century Allah will send a champion to revive Islam - I believe we are in the last hour of time now - and to me that means the next reviver will be the Qaim - al Mahdi AS.

Your thoughts about the various manifestations of humiliation and oppression are welcome in this thread in sh'Allah. Please provide references and links to the data you source from thank you and JazakAllahu khair for reading.

Scimi

Scimitar said:

Assalaam alaikum bros and sisters.

Since the khilafat fell - we've been humiliated beyond the scope of imagination... I'm trying to understand the depth of this humiliation but i'm overwhelmed by it - I see the current generation of Muslims and think to myself "we don't need further humiliation, we're doing fine by our selves in that department."

If you are interested in this topic, then please contribute your thoughts on the ways we have been humiliated and oppressed in the world as Muslims over the past 100 years.

Suqoon: Every century Allah will send a champion to revive Islam - I believe we are in the last hour of time now - and to me that means the next reviver will be the Qaim - al Mahdi AS.

Your thoughts about the various manifestations of humiliation and oppression are welcome in this thread in sh'Allah. Please provide references and links to the data you source from thank you and JazakAllahu khair for reading.

Scimi

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Allah said he'd provide for Makkah after the mushriks left according to a person I was listening to on a podcast and he did for a while and as industry got big allah provided for us in a new way (oil) and then they come in and steal it all from us also they obviously all the terrorist organizations

I too believe that we have been living the end times since WW1. That war was the practical collapse of the caliphate. We are just living it in advanced degree for the last a few decades. So, humalation only comes by your allowance of it. No one can humilate you unless you let them to do so. All those fitna ocured in the past and currently going on allowed the evils to humilate Muslims world wide.

I dislike Erdoğan and his political movement but one of the few things he did good was to put an end to the humilation of religious people by the secular elits here in Turkey. This is the main reason of their long term rule. Regardless of their bad habits religious people go on to vote them since they have realized that they have the same rights as seculars. But a deception is also going on in parralel. Now those elected "Muslims" are fooling people.

The above example applies to all Muslim lands I guess. Weakness allows the humilation and ignorance allows the deception. When Muslims defeat the weakness and ignorance then we can achieve salvation in this world.

Any historians here? I wish to have a discussion in sh'Allah!

Well I am not a historian but we can have a discussion. At least I have Google ;D

The 100 years of humiliation is not by coincidence but it came with a purpose and specifically targetting the larger populations amongst us who have unfortunately deviated from the path. You see when you have outspread extreme sufis, Shism, Habash, and sorts of mysticals spreading away from Islam and the true creed this is bound to happen. Why because Allah says in the Quran we have sent an army against the israelites to humilated their faces because they deviated. This is exactly what has happened to the ancient generations who believed and this is what is happening to us now.

And to forget all these secular and liberal muslims who like man-made laws more then Allah... I say this humiliation is justified unfortunately. This is punishment without a doubt.

I believe we've come through the most ignorant patch and that the current generation are waking up - the ignorant patch appears to have happened in the generations of our parents and grandparents and the dajjal is melting as long as we continue to learn and teach our children that there's more to life than the "world without God" secularist system which is the real humiliating stage.
When I look, I see a separation between truth and falsehood taking place and one or two critical thinkers in almost every family who are not deceived by false popular culture and who refuse to laugh like monkeys at everything that the secularst tv laughs at and who refuse to be dismayed at everything the secular tv tricks and urges them to be dismayed at, but rather measure by God's plumbline and level.
Before it was just a case of getting killed or abuse despite the pleas to be allowed to survive in humiliation, but now we have youth recognizing their situation and standing for the truth in Allah's way despite the mockery and threats by the fools and trolls, and others who are aware but calmly and quietly changing themselves and the corrupt situation without being reckless.

May Allah bring victory to Syria, and all other Muslim countries.. May Allah rid the earth of bashaar and all the other oppressors. Ameen.

What can we do to bring ourselves out of this situation?

Allahu alam.

If Allah guides Bashar to submit fully to Allah and establish Islam in sincerity and truth - he'll likely get his kingdom back, be in the strongest position to sue for peace in the region, give no one a reasonable excuse to fight in the region, and set up an empire that will unite the Muslim world and topple all the puppet regimes in the region.
Oh Allah, please guide Bashar al Assad

When i think of Assad, i think of nebuchadnezzar and Prophet Daniel's (pbuh) amazing sequence of events.

(building of the temple part was not stated by daniel as recorded in the scripture - but a deceptive addition in the movie, the book of daniel in the O.T states that those events will take place at the time of the Messiah after a God knows how long 70 years, question is - has Israel found the Messiah? ) :
Please don't ask me about Úmar's actions on what was reported to be Daniel's body or of the division of the artefacts - i personally believe that the Prophet pbuh and Abu Bakr ra would have preserved the artefacts and prayed at his grave if they passed by it.


A real high quality movie that i watched with the family - everyone old enough and able to understand paid full attention - like it was talking to todays leaders and citizens.


1This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2“Stand at the gate of the Lord’s house and there proclaim this message:

“ ‘Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah who come through these gates to worship the Lord. 3This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Reform your ways and your actions, and I will let you live in this place.
4Do not trust in deceptive words and say, “This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!”
5If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, 6if you do not oppress the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, 7then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your ancestors for ever and ever. 8But look, you are trusting in deceptive words that are worthless.

9“ ‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury,a burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, 10and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?
11Has this house, which bears my Name, become a den of robbers to you?
But I have been watching! declares the Lord...

From Jeremiah 7.

the remainder of the chapter describes consequences - but let him who will read it since it's harsh and hopefully the above is enough to make everyone think.

on the rot in tabligh ,nizamuddin urdu

Very interesting topic..

hmmmm.... The Jews were humiliated by the Pharaohs, the Christians by the Romans..... the Muslims? Now it is their turn... The only difference is that we are doing it to ourselves. Well, not entirely true, but at least the ones in power became corrupted and would destroy the deen to maintain their stranglehold on power.


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AHMED PATEL said:

on the rot in tabligh ,nizamuddin urdu

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1391624

its only getting worse,unfortunately .and this news report is accurate,sadly.

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I think we need to make a distinction between political setbacks/humiliations and religious.

Islam is the world's fastest growing religion, and stands to grow by 70% before 2060. The average Muslim family has 2.9 children, compared to 2.6 for Christians (for Jews it is much lower--how may even have kids anymore?). Masjids are springing up all over the world, and it isn't just people in southeast Asia or Africa embracing the faith--people in the west are reverting as well.

The ONLY thing that will stop Islam is bad Muslims, violent radicals, and people using the faith as a pretense for political and personal empowerment. Islam is something you hold in your heart, not proof of membership in a political party, or gaining a few oil wells for your tribe.

Christianity was at its low-point when it was simply a tool for monarchs to oppress and terrorize people (although some could argue that it is at its low point now)

So I don't think anyone is "humiliating" the faith--Islam is the future, and even non-Muslims realize this.

Silas said:

I think we need to make a distinction between political setbacks/humiliations and religious.

Islam is the world's fastest growing religion, and stands to grow by 70% before 2060. The average Muslim family has 2.9 children, compared to 2.6 for Christians (for Jews it is much lower--how may even have kids anymore?). Masjids are springing up all over the world, and it isn't just people in southeast Asia or Africa embracing the faith--people in the west are reverting as well.

The ONLY thing that will stop Islam is bad Muslims, violent radicals, and people using the faith as a pretense for political and personal empowerment. Islam is something you hold in your heart, not proof of membership in a political party, or gaining a few oil wells for your tribe.

Christianity was at its low-point when it was simply a tool for monarchs to oppress and terrorize people (although some could argue that it is at its low point now)

So I don't think anyone is "humiliating" the faith--Islam is the future, and even non-Muslims realize this.

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Sorry, but Islam is also a political, economic and social system. There is no "separation of church and state" in Islam. It governs all.

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Sorry, but Islam is also a political, economic and social system. There is no "separation of church and state" in Islam. It governs all.

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Yes, I agree, however ...

My point is that many of the political objectives we see within Muslim countries/regimes these days are hardly consistent with the religion itself. Aside from this, direct military action or rebellion typically leads to disaster and humiliation, or degenerates into terrorism.

Some of these guys have an attitude that is similar to right-wing extremist groups in the west, or "Southern Nationalists" in the US who want to overthrow governments and engage in armed insurrection in order to "save" their people. Everyone knows that the minute these guys pick up a gun to march on a capital they will be mowed down within minutes.

Victories for Islam are won by convincing people in the west of the merits of the religion, by engaging in lawful, "democratic" political action (running for office, working with leaders, etc.), and by reforming the Muslim regimes that oppress their own people while blaming the west, or even the "Great Satan" (as the Iranian regime likes to do), for everything that is wrong in their countries. Who here would rather live in Saudi Arabia than the US? Honestly?

You are winning--you just don't see it. And the inability to see the tactics and strategy that work might lead to more humiliation.

Salaam

I understand what your saying, we’ve had similar problems now and in the past but this solution in my view hasn’t helped Christians much, where has it got you? submitting to the liberals, secularists, modernists? Its contributed to its marginislation, decline and has lead to the emergence of secular theocracies.

Just as an aside, I'm thinking perhaps Christians need a leader like this.


I think what it comes down to is that we want to make our own decisions and we cant be left to do that. Outside powers have continually have attempted to impose westernisation (forget that now its globalism) through guile or force with varying degrees of success.

Having said that I agree with you a lot of our problems are our own, I think wrestling with the whole concept of modernity has been tough and will take a long time to work through.

And yes I dont deny the advantages, major advantages of living in western societies, theres much to be impressed with and to learn from.

Junon said:

Salaam

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Walakum salaam Junon, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! TI found your post to be exactly what I was looking for, and I particularly liked how you didn't ignore the Christian issue - that really warmed to my reasoning as it didn't just omit the worlds largest faith group and their own struggle in this godless propagation we know today as globalism!

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Salaam

Scimitar said:

Walakum salaam Junon, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! TI found your post to be exactly what I was looking for, and I particularly liked how you didn't ignore the Christian issue - that really warmed to my reasoning as it didn't just omit the worlds largest faith group and their own struggle in this godless propagation we know today as globalism!

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I met working class Christians early on in my life, they had a big influence on me, so whatever disagreements I have with Christians I don't have animus towards them. It really makes me sad what happened to Christianity in the UK, its the death of an entire culture imsad.

I barely remember the time when they would ask you whats your 'christian name', it was just considered normal back then. If you did something like that now you'd be sacked and if the seculars would have their way sent to a re-education camp to think 'correct' thoughts :skeleton:

Some books that might interests you if you want to understand the nature of globalism and the goals of international capitalism. Easy to read and informative.

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Babel Inc. is an essential primer on the politics of globalisation and multiculturalism. Bolton demonstrates that conventional distinctions between the political left and right have been transcended by transnational corporations who regard the remnants of the nation-state as the last hurdle for global domination and the attainment of their "new world order". Babel Inc. is an exposé of multiculturalism as a "social control mechanism" that scorches the earth in preparation for the coming of the rationale of global capitalism: homo globicus. This global man will be at home anywhere in the world because the world will be homogeneously liberal. If that idea seems farfetched now, perhaps at the conclusion of Babel Inc. it will seem less a possibility than a growing reality. The strength of Bolton's book lies not just in his studious research of historical facts, but also in his ability to focuses on the theoretical root causes of the problem, i.e., the dynamics of the Enlightenment and its religion of Progress, coupled with the starry-eyed American Puritanism, whose violent and inhumane secular avatars can no longer be ignored.



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In Revolution from Above, Dr. Bolton demonstrates that the supposed rivalry between Marxist-inspired movements and capitalism has always been an illusion. Marxism, Communism and liberalism have been and continue to be exploited by the forces of international capitalism to further their global agenda, despite their surface disagreements. Dr. Bolton shows that the ultimate goal of capitalism is to create a worldwide collectivist society of consumers, and Marxism is merely one means of attaining this. He traces this idea back to Plato, through the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the French Revolution, and Communism, and examines the evidence for the existence of a shadowy network of bankers who control a large portion of the world's political and economic power. He then discusses the various instruments this network uses to maintain control, such as tax-exempt foundations and think tanks. Dr. Bolton also reveals how capitalist governments actually worked closely with Communist regimes and, in fact, frustrated genuinely anti-Communist efforts during the Cold War. He discusses the impact this has had on Western society, resulting in such trends as the sexual revolution and the promotion of drug use. Dr. Bolton then brings us up-to-date by discussing the role of the recent "Arab spring" in these ongoing developments. One will never be able to view modern history the same way again after reading Dr. Bolton's arguments and examining the supporting evidence.



Having said that we have to look at ourselves, we can blame others but in the end we have to look ourselves in the mirror and realise that a lot of our failures are our own. We know something bad is happening but we've not found a successful way to overcome yet. We have to do better.

Its not new, China went through its century of humiliation when it was the plaything of western (and other) powers they eventually managed to free themselves and restore their dignity (at great cost).


Its a partial view, but we can learn from it.

I honestly think Muslims need to come together and discuss our problems openly and frankly and authentic Muslims please not those who have sold their souls to the American dollar.

Meanwhile we have to be on guard, times are dark and were going to have to 'get hard' if were going to survive.

i've got some very interesting lectures to edit, they'll be up soon... here's a special screening of the first one (the video releases officially on Friday in sh'Allah, more will follow in the coming months) !!!