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Scottish Celt
10-04-2017, 10:17 PM
On Saturday I went to the football with my friend,he does not practise any religion at all(although comes from a Christian upbringing),on our way the way to the game & on the train to Glasgow we got discussing about things mostly conspiracy theories what popped up in conversation was,the usual conspiracy theories stuff,it was the flat earth this time,now we had a good discussion although my friend is 7 yrs younger & believes in what I do mostly political & conspiracy theories,he still hasnt aligned himself to a faith,once we got to outside football stadium,i met this man who had a small statue of an alien,on it was a piece of paper which mentioned things about ''flat earth'',..now anyone that knows me on this forum will know I am a new revert,from april although I have been looking into Islam,..To be honest,i am still on a learning curve with Islam,learning more & progressing more into the faith,& still scratching the surface with the Qur'an,Now why do I mention this,well what is the odds of this happening getting into such a deep discussion with my friend,then on my way I met a man interviewing people on the very same subject,hmm coincidence? Not,for me things happen for a reason!!

here is the inter view I am the man in the grey jogging suit & celtic(green/white)scarf,i hope you can undertand me LOL as Scottish accent is fast & difficult to understand,please ask if you don't understand

this is me @ 39:20mins

https://youtu.be/i28sT8jFoxU

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M.I.A.
10-04-2017, 11:01 PM
Well.. i know what im meant to say..

Flat earth is a bit far fetched.

So the first thing i did was find a gopro attched to weather balloon video.

..the curvature is easily observable.

But at points the angle of filming changes as the camera bobs up and down..

And the curvature levels out, and at points.. even reverses.


https://youtu.be/95NDkABAsSk

Edit: im told the effect is due to the use of a wide angle lens.


Im sorry to say iv been spending a lot of time with cakes.. and have forgotten my science.

I dont know "/

Well done though..you did good..

Its always nice to be able to mention your religion.

Allah swt guide you to happiness and success.
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Scottish Celt
10-04-2017, 11:08 PM
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format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
Well.. i know what im meant to say..

Flat earth is a bit far fetched.

So the first thing i did was find a gopro attched to weather balloon video.

..the curvature is easily observable.

But at points the angle of filming changes as the camera bobs up and down..

And the curvature levels out, and at points.. even reverses.


https://youtu.be/95NDkABAsSk

Im sorry to say iv been spending a lot of time with cakes.. and have forgotten my science.

I dont know "/

Well done though..you did good..

Its always nice to be able to mention your religion.

Allah swt guide you to happiness and success.
did you understand my interview ok:statisfieLOL
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Scimitar
10-04-2017, 11:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt

this is me @ 39:20mins

https://youtu.be/i28sT8jFoxU

ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name :)

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:



May Allah always guide you, ameen!
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Scottish Celt
10-04-2017, 11:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name :)

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:



May Allah always guide you, ameen!
ahh Thank you,I will definetly watch this,one of the main reasons that brought me to Islam is in fact I belive in a creator,i find a lot of things I researched from science & Islam compatable,3 men helped Stephen hawkin,who is a disabled man with motor neoron disease but very intelligent in Physics & space yet believes in a ''God'' or higher being being so to speak,yet hasn't a faith,blieve it or not Russel Brand who was a into a very haram lifestyle but is clean suffered depression once just like me,so I can relate to depression,very aware of spiritualism & the mind & net up was a ahmed hulusi another intelligent man who speaks of the mind,physics & is Muslim,
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M.I.A.
10-04-2017, 11:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt
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did you understand my interview ok:statisfieLOL
Yes.. i am northern myself so its not bad, i often meet scottish people randomly in my line of work so its cool.

Allah swt exists outside the boundaries of time so there is much that is beyond my understanding.

..but yeah it was cool.




format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name :)

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:



May Allah always guide you, ameen!
Lol is that you?

...its good to know people are using media to put forward ideas and understanding.

Well done i guess.

...i have to.. get back to my cakes.
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Scottish Celt
10-04-2017, 11:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name :)

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:



May Allah always guide you, ameen!
just watched your video brother,wise words,i just wish I seen this yrs ago LOL,I do know time does excist in my physical realm,right now,i can hear my living room clock ticking as I type,but time as a whole.
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Scimitar
10-05-2017, 12:15 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt
just watched your video brother,wise words,i just wish I seen this yrs ago LOL,I do know time does excist in my physical realm,right now,i can hear my living room clock ticking as I type,but time as a whole.
Time as a whole, exists in the space time continuum we call this universe.

Take for example, the way we measure "time".

Ever since the dawn of mankind on earth, we measured time in the most primitive of ways with a stick, against the sun - by measuring the cast of the shadow.

The idea is, that time can only be measured with a source of light.

Allah says that HE is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth:

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. (Qur'an 24:35)

So time does exist, as a whole! Now imagine, the light itself so bright that one could not imagine it - the light which is Allah, cannot be measured because it is too great for us to even glimpse for a nanosecond, it would defy our senses to even glimpse it - light like this, means only one thing!!! Infinity... the Universe is but an umbrella shielding us from this light, but when that veil is gone, on the day HE accounts all creation - the eternity will be a reality.

So yes, time, is a complex matter, which matters more in the next life where time is a constant, than this life here, where time seems to ebb and slip away from us. Which is why it is imperative that we make good use of it: By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

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format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
Lol is that you?
No, that is brother Imran Hussein, ma sh'Allah!

But videos of me do exist... on youtube ;)
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M.I.A.
10-05-2017, 12:21 AM
..a stick you say.

Reminded me of this really.. something against flat earth theories.


https://youtu.be/3EspZtA7C3o
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Scottish Celt
10-05-2017, 12:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Time as a whole, exists in the space time continuum we call this universe.

Take for example, the way we measure "time".

Ever since the dawn of mankind on earth, we measured time in the most primitive of ways with a stick, against the sun - by measuring the cast of the shadow.

The idea is, that time can only be measured with a source of light.

Allah says that HE is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth:

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. (Qur'an 24:35)

So time does exist, as a whole! Now imagine, the light itself so bright that one could not imagine it - the light which is Allah, cannot be measured because it is too great for us to even glimpse for a nanosecond, it would defy our senses to even glimpse it - light like this, means only one thing!!! Infinity... the Universe is but an umbrella shielding us from this light, but when that veil is gone, on the day HE accounts all creation - the eternity will be a reality.

So yes, time, is a complex matter, which matters more in the next life where time is a constant, than this life here, where time seems to ebb and slip away from us. Which is why it is imperative that we make good use of it: By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

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No, that is brother Imran Hussein, ma sh'Allah!

But videos of me do exist... on youtube ;)
You've got me thinking deeper now but need ''time'' to reply ;D,BTW now that I know your YT video's il give them a watch,but what is your view on flat earth,to you believ we live in an horizontal egg shape flat(ish) land confined in a shell or dome & beyond that,is the heavens,or maybe aliens beinsg as the interviewer may be applying?

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format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Time as a whole, exists in the space time continuum we call this universe.

Take for example, the way we measure "time".

Ever since the dawn of mankind on earth, we measured time in the most primitive of ways with a stick, against the sun - by measuring the cast of the shadow.

The idea is, that time can only be measured with a source of light.

Allah says that HE is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth:

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. (Qur'an 24:35)

So time does exist, as a whole! Now imagine, the light itself so bright that one could not imagine it - the light which is Allah, cannot be measured because it is too great for us to even glimpse for a nanosecond, it would defy our senses to even glimpse it - light like this, means only one thing!!! Infinity... the Universe is but an umbrella shielding us from this light, but when that veil is gone, on the day HE accounts all creation - the eternity will be a reality.

So yes, time, is a complex matter, which matters more in the next life where time is a constant, than this life here, where time seems to ebb and slip away from us. Which is why it is imperative that we make good use of it: By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

EDIT:



No, that is brother Imran Hussein, ma sh'Allah!

But videos of me do exist... on youtube ;)
You've got me thinking deeper now but need ''time'' to reply ;D,BTW now that I know your YT video's il give them a watch,but what is your view on flat earth,to you believ we live in an horizontal egg shape flat(ish) land confined in a shell or dome & beyond that,is the heavens,or maybe aliens beinsg as the interviewer may be applying?
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Scimitar
10-05-2017, 12:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
..a stick you say.

Reminded me of this really.. something against flat earth theories.


https://youtu.be/3EspZtA7C3o
Prior to the death of Terry Pratchett (March 12 2015), no one gave a toss about flat earth theories. Do you know who Terry was? He was a novelist, who'd spun a yarn about a universe with flat disc like planets... this was quite lovingly titled the Discworld Saga or Series.

He died in 2015, and all his fans, had no one left to contain them. So they broke out of containment and leaked onto the web's loony bin, but that loony bin infected the weak among the internet's intellects (or lack thereof) and they bought into the idiocy. These flat earth types are not academically minded people, nor are the scientific, or mathematically stable people. They are emotional beings, who prefer to have their arguments substantiated by an appeal to bias. With reason no longer extant in their lateral core, they seem to wade and wander between bad science and ridiculed reason.

It is best to leave the flat earth donkeys where they are, they need an home too. There are hospitals for them... just not on the web!

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format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt
You've got me thinking deeper now but need ''time'' to reply ;D,BTW now that I know your YT video's il give them a watch,but what is your view on flat earth,to you believ we live in an horizontal egg shape flat(ish) land confined in a shell or dome & beyond that,is the heavens,or maybe aliens beinsg as the interviewer may be applying?
I believe the earth is a sphere.

Above, I have explained how this flat earth malarky became popular all of a sudden.
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Scottish Celt
10-05-2017, 12:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Prior to the death of Terry Pratchett (March 12 2015), no one gave a toss about flat earth theories. Do you know who Terry was? He was a novelist, who'd spun a yarn about a universe with flat disc like planets... this was quite lovingly titled the Discworld Saga or Series.

He died in 2015, and all his fans, had no one left to contain them. So they broke out of containment and leaked onto the web's loony bin, but that loony bin infected the weak among the internet's intellects (or lack thereof) and they bought into the idiocy. These flat earth types are not academically minded people, nor are the scientific, or mathematically stable people. They are emotional beings, who prefer to have their arguments substantiated by an appeal to bias. With reason no longer extant in their lateral core, they seem to wade and wander between bad science and ridiculed reason.

It is best to leave the flat earth donkeys where they are, they need an home too. There are hospitals for them... just not on the web!

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I believe the earth is a sphere.



My post above this one explains how this flat earth malarky became popular all of a sudden.
no worries bro,i have recently questioned it,im still struggling to be convinced or yrs ive been taught the world is sphere,..I watched a YT video of dr Zakir Naik,he believes the world is sphere too,but some of the YT replies disagree,the more I look into the flat earth theory I'm getting more convinced,with both the science & muslim view of it,right now I'm swaying towards flat earth
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Scimitar
10-05-2017, 12:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt
no worries bro,i have recently questioned it,im still struggling to be convinced or yrs ive been taught the world is sphere,..I watched a YT video of dr Zakir Naik,he believes the world is sphere too,but some of the YT replies disagree,the more I look into the flat earth theory I'm getting more convinced,with both the science & muslim view of it,right now I'm swaying towards flat earth

You know what is interesting?

I dropped a few breadcrumbs above, namely about how in our ancient past, time was measured with a stick against the sun... the very same stick was also used to prove the earth was spherical. Eratosthenes measured the length of shadows in order to determine the circumference of the earth:



mind blown yet? :) i mentioned above, how those who lean towards the flat earth theory are not scientifically secure people nor are they mathematically stable - if you can understand this model I have linked you above, you would understand that the earth is not flat and that it is a sphere!!! And as you could conduct the experiment yourself... however, if you do not understand this process then, you will sway towards a conveniently unscientific bias devoid of mathematical process.
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talibilm
10-05-2017, 12:58 AM
:sl:

I did not see the video because of my weak internet but as far as I know of the Glorious quran there are no EXPLICIT verses about the Earth being a sphere but there are hints there that the Earth is sphere as dr Zakir Naik points from some verses out inferring that the Earth is a Sphere and another verses points does say that on the day of Judgement this earth will pounded and made into a flat earth and the mountains will used to fill up the oceans and the earth will be made flat IMPLIES that the Earth is a Sphere NOW and from the hadith or the kalamullah I do not remember , further on this subject, eye sight of the People will be sharpened (Imo like a telescope so that when Bush will be interrogated in USA by Allah a person on SE Asia will watch it ). Because its known everyone will be resurrected from the place he is buried.

Why Allah had not mentioned that Earth is sphere ??

here's the answer in post # 1 in the below thread

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...ree-of-errors-!

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M.I.A.
10-05-2017, 01:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Prior to the death of Terry Pratchett (March 12 2015), no one gave a toss about flat earth theories. Do you know who Terry was? He was a novelist, who'd spun a yarn about a universe with flat disc like planets... this was quite lovingly titled the Discworld Saga or Series.

He died in 2015, and all his fans, had no one left to contain them. So they broke out of containment and leaked onto the web's loony bin, but that loony bin infected the weak among the internet's intellects (or lack thereof) and they bought into the idiocy. These flat earth types are not academically minded people, nor are the scientific, or mathematically stable people. They are emotional beings, who prefer to have their arguments substantiated by an appeal to bias. With reason no longer extant in their lateral core, they seem to wade and wander between bad science and ridiculed reason.

It is best to leave the flat earth donkeys where they are, they need an home too. There are hospitals for them... just not on the web!

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I believe the earth is a sphere.

Above, I have explained how this flat earth malarky became popular all of a sudden.
Yeah i know of him..i read one of his books as a teen and i have to say its good..

Ironically, nightwatch.

But the idea as a whole has been explored often... i think the last time i encountered it was a childrens cartoon.. o_o

But heres the thing..

We believe in gog n magog.

And some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.

...we believe in the people of the cave.. and some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.

But..

As much as i wonder about all the extraordinary wonders allah swt is capable off.

Just spending your time, not destroying yourself mentally or physically would be enough.

I dont think you trolled me into giving you an argument..

But i cant be sure..

Dont worry.. gog n magog will still be here tomorrow..

I am planning on leaving..


Only kidding. Im here everyday.
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Scimitar
10-05-2017, 01:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
Yeah i know of him..i read one of his books as a teen and i have to say its good..

Ironically, nightwatch.

But the idea as a whole has been explored often... i think the last time i encountered it was a childrens cartoon.. o_o
Asterix? :D

format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
But heres the thing..

We believe in gog n magog.

And some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.
Depends on who is doing the explaining, this doesn't help you to make a point. I dropped HUGE breadcrumbs in the WHO IS DHUL QARNAYN thread, which no member decided to follow up on - you're all here to socialise, not learn.

format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
...we believe in the people of the cave.. and some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.
Nope, not to me.

Have you see grass in the summer? lush and green isn't it? But where is it in the winter? And how is it that it reappears again in the summer?

format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
But..

As much as i wonder about all the extraordinary wonders allah swt is capable off.

Just spending your time, not destroying yourself mentally or physically would be enough.
You never really did make any sense !!! Nothing has changed in my absence lol
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M.I.A.
10-07-2017, 09:51 AM
Neil de grasse tyson on the flat earth theory..

And islam.

...nice view

https://youtu.be/CuwjWZV8EA0

Incidentally, i asked about the gopro video i posted before in the thread..

The way the curvature of the earth changes during it, is due to use of a fisheye lens. (Although nobody elaborated)

But lets not get carried away..

https://youtu.be/JgY8zNZ35uw

I dont mean to be disrespectful to anybody but i feel under the right conditions people can be lead to believe anything.

But then!!

https://youtu.be/cGtvXOvqYZg
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Scimitar
10-07-2017, 11:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
Neil de grasse tyson on the flat earth theory..

And islam.

...nice view

https://youtu.be/CuwjWZV8EA0

Incidentally, i asked about the gopro video i posted before in the thread..

The way the curvature of the earth changes during it, is due to use of a fisheye lens. (Although nobody elaborated)
I never saw the thread, but seriously, if you didn't know that wide angle lenses suffer something called angular distortion, then that's your own issue bro - no one elses.

If you believe in flat earth, and think there's some sort of conspiracy - ask yourself - who gains from it? and why?

The answer is no one gains and thus, the why doesn't even need to be addressed... I gave you the answer because i don't think your brain would go this far.

peace
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M.I.A.
10-08-2017, 09:46 AM
Who gains from deception?

Well at one point in time the flat earthers were in charge..

And globe theorists were even executed for the equivalent of blaspheming.

I would say that heavy investment on a matter leads to some irrational behaviour at times.
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Wait..there is more..

http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers...flat-1.2009202


As it is.. there is more educated/influential backing for a simulated world theory than to undo hundreds of years of scientific research.. in accepting the flat earth model.

Its life, but not as we know it.

..see, i moved the goalposts.

Im yearning to make some connection to the days of old..

It is the same place as jesus AS, moses AS.. soloman AS inhabited..

Somewhere there has to be something that does not fit just quite right.

And maybe thats what flat earthers in part yearn for..

Although in spreading any falsehood the point is lost lol.

The biggest conspiracy beyond doubt, is the god conspiracy...

The truman show.. Because im not much of a reader.

Well, i read people.. but not as well as they read me..

I have an iq of about 80 so listen to this guy instead..

https://youtu.be/j-788Upky2Y

Ultimately we are the statements and actions we convey..

Although good character and the success associated with it, are something i cannot put into words..

I suppose thats why we frequent ib.
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Scimitar
10-09-2017, 11:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
Who gains from deception?

Well at one point in time the flat earthers were in charge..
I think you're a few slices short of a loaf young laddie.

You totally missed the point - again - hardly surprising.

Vouching for a flat or spherical earth wins nothing dude - it's not a political nor religious requirement to convince anyone of one or the other lol. As for your moving goal posts - you done scored an own goal... you're funny. A proper class clown. lol
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M.I.A.
10-10-2017, 01:24 AM
Yeah your right.. should have been a pharmacist lol.

Would have made a few cars by now.
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It was really one of those moments.. flat or round..

I suppose the answer should have been,

Depends on how high you are.
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I honestly once called somebody a sell out over the subject..

I didnt understand the value of a comfy chair at the time.
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czgibson
10-10-2017, 03:27 PM
Greetings,

It's amazing that people are still debating whether the Earth is flat in the 21st century.

Scimitar has already asked the key question:

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
If you believe in flat earth, and think there's some sort of conspiracy - ask yourself - who gains from it? and why?
There's little point in saying anything else about the flat Earth hypothesis until you've answered that question.

Peace
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M.I.A.
10-10-2017, 07:21 PM
Its impossible..

I was with the kids today for a moment and they asked what i was doing.

...just reading the news i said.

..they said read it out to us..

I had to go find another website.

..there is no point in challenging any perception of reality, only hoping they find a better one than mine.
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..i have no idea what that has to do with a flat earth theory.

Proof has to be given from the ground up.

..well..

Most of the time anyway.

I dont devote my time to flat earth proofs.. so i can only argue in.. a round about way.. lol.

Darwins theory of evolution is almost set in stone..

And yet it is still debateable.. in fact its probably one of the most controversial theories in science.

There is nobody that gains from it.

There is probably not any cover up.

..but the controversy still stands.

..in fact the very people that say no islamic authority or theory should be accepted from or credibility given to a flat earth claimer..

Probably give a differing answer towards the theory of evolution..

I may have to google it o_o

Einstein was a different kettle of fish though.

..if you spend enough time with/on something, sooner or later you have to try making sense of it..

Unless you have been planning not to.. or planning for something else.

These are getting increasingly long.. if i could talk like this and say nothing it would be great irl..

Anyway another viewpoint on another matter..

Recently i have been youtubing neil de grasse tyson..

Scientist and teacher.

But like stand up comics, it seems if you watch too long you probably end up watching a repeat..

And he has interesting takes on muslim history..

And at one point even attributed the scientific and academic advancements made under the "golden age of islam" ..to middle easterners not related to islam at all..

I do not know if this is true, But it may as well be..

I can only barely relate these last few paragraphs back to your post.

It would seem knowledge is not power, application of knowledge is power.

I dont know if what we talk about and what we say are the same thing.


...dont worry, everyone gets it wrong at some time or other.

https://youtu.be/SoCKapivHGM

...im kidding, i think he meant that the water hides the pearshaped..ness.
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Pizzas are flat dough!
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Zafran
10-10-2017, 11:37 PM
Its a stupid discussion.
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M.I.A.
10-11-2017, 02:49 PM
Unfortunately i have to agree..

You would have to be a fool to lead or follow.

Such an envy of the strangers,

a value of anonymity and an understanding of guidance.

Wasnt it always peace?


But yeah, thick as a brick here and missing a rolled up paper ...to beat people about the head with.

Don't worry lol.. those faculties are beyond me.. if you were ever to walk through i would be dumb found.. ed.


Yunus: 100

And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah, and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason.
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Scimitar
10-11-2017, 10:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,

It's amazing that people are still debating whether the Earth is flat in the 21st century.

Scimitar has already asked the key question: If you believe in flat earth, and think there's some sort of conspiracy - ask yourself - who gains from it? and why?



There's little point in saying anything else about the flat Earth hypothesis until you've answered that question.

Peace
Some have tried tying a gopro to an air balloon, which is fail on so many levels. K, uhm (cough)... vote to close thread then ??
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M.I.A.
10-12-2017, 04:57 PM
Sigh.. mods are asleep..

Post conspiracies..

Keep going?

Just a youtube link.. they have first hand quotes from notable people so its worth your time if only for the jokes..

https://youtu.be/ksSZPNQaFP8

..i dont take any of this seriously..

Im not an astronaut!

Two more minutes... well the first minute is good..

https://youtu.be/8GFfbsOaZc0

But why would anyone do this?

..as president obama said..

To one up the russians.

"Sixty years ago, when the Russians beat us into space, we didn't deny Sputnik was up there," Obama proclaimed, drawing applause from some of the senators, representatives and honored guests packed into the House Chamber of the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. "We didn't argue about the science, or shrink our research and development budget."-

"We built a space program almost overnight, and 12 years later, we were walking on the moon,"-

Im not saying its fake..

Because im posting from my mobile phone..

But those awkward pauses and looks do even myself proud..

I just realised its not a satellite phone.. o_o sorry.
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Scimitar
10-12-2017, 10:13 PM
you need medicine MIA. And a doctor! One with a sonic screwdriver! Or something.
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M.I.A.
10-13-2017, 10:07 PM
...well scottish celt..

Its official.

http://news.sky.com/story/chocolate-...ssion-11079383
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M.I.A.
10-21-2017, 07:42 PM
Sorry to bump..

But i found something. (Although its been found before, the link is for the actual video.. and not an edit of a flat earth blog)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwBg4d7Wx1s

Around 3.14 mark..

Let me know what you think.
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Scimitar
10-25-2017, 10:39 PM
Time to kill this thread properly, in sh'Allah.


The Muslim holy book, the Qur'an, stated the earth is spherical, explicitly 1400+ years ago:

Chapter/Sura 79:30, that is Sura Naziyat Aya 30 reads in Arabic ” WAL ARDA BAID ZALIKA DOHAHA”.

Here is the word for word breakdown:

WAL means AND

ARDA means EARTH

BAID means AFTER

ZALIKA means THAT

DOHAHA MEANS EGG SHAPED THING

Now see the English translation of the Sura 79:30 “And the earth , moreover, hath he extended in egg shape.”
The origin of the verb, “Dohaha,” is found in the word (Ud-hiya), which means “egg of ostrich”

No flat earth protagonists in Islam bro.

If it wasn't for this ayah, the Islamic Golden Age scientist, Al Biruni would not have been so inclined to calculate the diameter of the earth to within a fraction of accuracy. Nor could Muslim geographers map the world as in the case of Muhammad Al Idrisi. The Piri Reis map would not have been made either, showing the continents which no nation before had known about - antarctica - Neither could they have done A,B,C...X,Y,Z.

Abu Rayhan Muhammad ibn Ahmad Biruni, also known simply as Al Biruni (born 5 September 973 in Kath, Khwarezm (now in Uzbekistan), died 13 December 1048 in Ghazni, today’s Afghanistan) was a Persian scholar and polymath of the 11th century.The early Muslims duplicated the technique of Eratosthenes. The Early Muslims attempted to measure the Earth using Eratosthenes method, 200 years before Al Biruni. But, that technique had a basic flaw. Al Biruni came up with a better idea, to measure the circumference of the earth, based on trigonometry. It is beautifully demonstrated by James Al Khalili in his BBC documentary, the Empire of Reason. He quotes Al Biruni’s book and then applies the technique himself. I picked up the exact segments of the documentary for you:



Flat Earth protagonists should keep an open mind, and watch this experiment. I promise, your brains won't fall out.


Moving on - Christians have always thought the earth was flat and not spherical. The Hebrew Old Testament uses the word "Khoog" which is translated from the Hebrew to Greek then to Latin and finally to English - during this process of Chinese Whispers, the word Khoog has lost its' original intended meaning and been translated as "corners". So instead of "four cardinal directions (north east, west, south)" the translations claims "four corners" which propagates for a flat earth instead of the original meaning.

This problem of Chinese Whispers can be better demonstrated as follows:

A cook they hadde with hem for the nones
To boille the chiknes with the marybones,


That was Chaucer, apporx 700 years ago, and this is English. Not exactly today's English. Makes Shakespeare look modern. Chaucer is hotly debated among English Professors even today because the English of those times is rather, alien to us today. Consider, the Bible was taught in this language, Middle English - and from a translation in Italian. Which in turn was a translation from Greek, which in turn from the Hebrew... and what you have my friend - is Chinese whispers augmented over the course of time.

The people of old, used allegory and metaphor moreso than we do today. And so, naturally God would reveal to them verses which fit into their eco-context of language. Problem we have in modern times - namely that uni-lingual English speaking folk, have no clue how to study the scripture because they do not know how language forms and how many types of language there are and why Semitic languages are wholly different to other languages in the world today.

But all is not lost. Look, if I could do it - so can others. I am self taught, and I sought out scholars and priests, rabbi's and shaikhs etc to make sure I am reading the right intention from within the verses I am studying.

Meanwhile, you have the Bedroom Believer, who tucks up in bed before sleep with an holy book, attempting to glean its mysteries as if its JRR Tolkein they are reading. Here's looking at you M.I.A.

Recap a little, yes?

The Muslims mapped the world in the 13th century, check out Al Idrisi's Tabulus Rogeriana - that was the known world at that time - no Americas... but then check out the Piri Reis map - also made by Muslims and you find that not just the Americas - but the Antarctic was mapped - but it was mapped without the glaciers and ice on it's coastline, to within a degree of accuracy. All this almost a thousand years before the West knew there was an Antarctica.

Even without the knowledge of the Americas - Al Idrisi understood the world to be spherical due to two things:

1) Science and math, Al Biruni had already calculated the radius and circumference of the earth. I'm pretty sure Al Biruni's only agenda was to know the size of the earth - nothing to do with any world moving govt conspiracy of modern day. So this argument for a flat earth fails. Other mathematicians calculated its mass based on - yet more maths coupled with astronomy. I forgot to mention that earlier. And that is a massive hole in the flat earth argument right here - scientifically speaking.

2) Reports from sailors and captains who had travelled the world on ships and had the opportunity to relay this info to Al Idrisi. And these sailors had travelled around the world, not across it - as flat earth believers would seem to suggest. It's all there, in the histories.

And this is how we got to know about Fiji also. Mankind has forever been adventurous. Seeking that other hill, other pasture, or in some rare cases - the water of life - point being, mankind have always been pragmatic builders of boats and ships and went places. Our own very Semitic history teaches us of the flood and how mankind was saved with the Ark. Ships n sailors was nothing uncommon in the old days. Today its a little more novel.

We have a "dark side" to the earth too - namely where Fiji sits in the middle of nowhere - now, if there was land - I'm pretty sure they'd have found it by now, on a spherical or flat earth - this does not help you to make a point.

Factor in also, how Al Biruni calculated the using trigonometry, the size of the earth and you will find that applying the math to a flat circular model over a spherical one - simply, does, not, work.

The Christian will claim a verse from the Old Testament and New Testament allude to flat earth dynamics - The verses which they claim are "flat earth" verses in the Old Testament and New are problematic.

This malarky is promoted ONLY by some pretending to be ‘Christians’. You won’t find a Muslim, not a Jew, nor any humanist satanists, nor a Buddhist promoting this foolishness. Only ‘christian pastors’. Isn’t that telling you something? Please look at the New Testament 1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

And I ask why this is such a big deal? does the shape of the earth impact your practice of your faith? you know the answer to that already... but in the case of the intellectually challenged, the answer is a big fat resounding NO!

Bottom line is this, the bible is being proven wrong in the modern age with the narrative Christians sponsor (flat earth) while my holy book, the Qur'an - claimed "sphere" 1400 years ago, quite beautifully.

NOTE: I do not sponsor the belief that the Old Testament teaches a flat earth model of our planet. But flat earth believing Christians do. So this is the standard by which I make that claim.

If Christians read the Qur'an like they read the bible, I have no doubt they would believe the earth was flat too - simply because of their "linear reading" which doesn't flesh out the skeletal framework of the verses. It's the contextual understanding which fleshes the meat out.

I'd like to remind the Christians of this verse: 1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Let us take a look at Isaiah 40:22 from the Old Testament first.

Isaiah 40:22 - "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..."

It should be understood that in Hebrew, there is no word for "Sphere". The word "Khoog" in Hebrew translates to the following: Circle, Circuit, Compass.

Knowing that there is no word for "Sphere" in Hebrew, and that the word used is Khoog (translation: circle), will most definitely confuse many into believing the earth is flat. Let's now take a look at if this is actually what the Bible(s) are attempting to teach God willing.

The Christian and the Jew believes and are taught that God is "Omni-Present". That He looks down on the earth from every angle. The Earth would appear to be a circle from any angle - because God is far above the earth looking down onto it - no matter which direction HE looks at earth from - it can only appear as a circle from every angle if the earth is a sphere.

But the flat earth believing Christian follows this contradictory understanding of his holy book:



But, if it is a flat disc with a dome shaped roof, as per this image above, only from the top angle would the earth appear as a circle, meanwhile all other angles would prove the bible untrue. The earth mis-shapen and God - a liar - If you believe in flat earth. Isaiah fits a spherical earth in context but with linear minds - flat earth, which is failed understanding.

I was thinking about the story of Jonah and the Whale and was reminded of Ephesians 4:9 telling us of Jesus pbuh descending into the heart of the earth. Can mankind be in the heart of a circle any more than he can be in the belly of the fish - from Ephesians 4:9 "first descended into the lower parts of the earth".

Job 26:7 reads as follows: He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.

If North is the center of the earth in the flat earth map - where is "south" according to the Cardinal Directions (north east west n south) given in the Old & New Testament scriptures??? Everywhere the rim of the flat earth circumferences over??? Is this sound dissemination of the Old & New Testament scripture which they entertain? Or is starting to look bogus? Are you starting to see how bogus this flat earth malarky is if using the Bible(s) as your inferences? Job 26:7 is clearly comparing the earth to the other planets in space "He spreads out the Northern skies over empty space; He suspends the earth over nothing"- Same as the Moon, the Sun, and the planets which surround it.

Job 26:10 He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.
- this fits with Job 26:7, which mentions the Earth is suspended in space like the moon and sun, and 26:10 is giving us a visual identifier to know it is a sphere and not a circle - "he marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness" - This is only possible with a spherical model of the earth, and not a flat one. See?

Would you like me to go into the science now? or is this enough to show you how protagonising for a flat earth is just, simply, dumb!
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M.I.A.
10-26-2017, 06:05 PM
وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا - 79:30

And after that He spread the earth.

This is why i cant do nuffin! O_O




Please.. take it up with these guys.

Sahih International: And after that He spread the earth.

Pickthall: And after that He spread the earth,

Yusuf Ali: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);

Shakir: And the earth, He expanded it after that.

Muhammad Sarwar: After this, He spread out the earth,

Mohsin Khan: And after that He spread the earth;

Arberry: and the earth-after that He spread it out,


...but yeah, im sure it will endure as long as man possesses curiosity..

Although im not learnin arabic!

I did it for 2 semesters.. all the teacher did was take the hoohaa out of Asians for not pronouncing stuff correctly.


...nice chapter though, very fitting beginning.


Ok my go..

Same chapter..

"He raised its ceiling and proportioned it." 79:28

This is written as an explanation of the "heavens"

..please provide correct arabic.

Please dont take offence..i feel anxiety :|
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..i do like that guy in the video though..

Budding scientists should refer to his double slit experiment video for some inspiration.

Irrelevant link here.. probably posted it several times on the forum.

https://youtu.be/A9tKncAdlHQ
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