Did God created Islam?

[Nitro Zeus]

I’m asking this because, I want to know if it is true that God Almighty can create any religion and To Declare that this religion is true?

For example, if God wanted us be Christians, then I suppose He would Make Adam be Christian, then He will Declare that Christianity is only true religion and He will Say that Christianity will rule the world one day? Can God Make 3 or 4 true religions?

Like for example, it is true that if God wanted He would Make Moses be a Jew and then others be Jews and God will Declare that Judaism is the first true believing religion, and when Jesus will come God will Make Jesus be Christian and then God will Make another Declaration that Christianity is another true religion, and then the final religion Islam. And He can Say that one day Christianity, Judaism and Islam will rule the world and all the rest will fall? Can you provide some verses from Quran about that if it is true? If there’s anything unclear, let me know so that I can explain to you. And last one, if it is true that Islam will be destroyed by God one day? Can you provide some verses also about that if it is?

Out of curiosity.

[sister herb]

Who else could create Islam except Allah?

[Nitro Zeus]

Who else could create Islam except Allah?

Yeah, but I need a verse about that, some say that Islam has no beginning and no end. And I want to prove that this statement is wrong, Islam has a beginning and an end. And I want to know if one day Islam will come to an end, because, someone asked this question, and I’m trying to help him. And I want a verse that says that God created Islam and Quran and He can create as I described above. And

[99sobi]

And last one, if it is true that Islam will be destroyed by God one day?

No, Islam will continue to be in this world until the Last Day, and then Islam will be the universal religion in the Hereafter. Allah says in the Qur'an multiple times, praising "those who believe in Allah and the Last Day", meaning there will continue to be Islam and Muslims then.

God Almighty can create any religion and To Declare that this religion is true?

There are many religions, some which came before Islam and some which came after Islam. We know that Judaism and Christianity are both Abrahamic religions that preceded Islam, and the Qur'an cancelled that which came before it. Whatever Allah wills, is true and will happen, and we cannot and shouldn't question or doubt Him. He says in the Qur'an, وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ And Allah is all knowing and all wise

The true religion is Islam. Allah says in the Qur'an,

Say: "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith قُلْ إِنَّنِي هَدَانِي رَبِّي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ دِينًا قِيَمًا مِلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا

Say ‘As for me my Lord has guided me to a straight path ilā sirātin mustaqīm is substituted by the following dīnan qiyaman a right religion an upright one the creed of Abraham a hanīf; and he was not of the idolaters’.

And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ حُنَفَاءَ وَيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُوا الزَّكَاةَ ۚ وَذَٰلِكَ دِينُ الْقَيِّمَةِ

And they were only commanded in their Scripture the Torah and the Gospel to worship God illā li-ya‘budū means illā an ya‘budū an having been omitted and the lām added devoting religion purely to Him free of any idolatry as hanīfs upright in following the religion of Abraham and the religion of Muhammad s when he would come — so how is it that they disbelieved in him? and to establish prayer and pay the alms. That is the upright religion the upright creed.

هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ ۚ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهِيدًا
It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.

It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth that He may make it that is the religion of truth prevail over all religion over all the other religions. And God suffices as witness to the fact that you have been sent with what has been mentioned as God exalted be He says

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[Nitro Zeus]

No, Islam will continue to be in this world until the Last Day, and then Islam will be the universal religion in the Hereafter. Allah says in the Qur'an multiple times, praising "those who believe in Allah and the Last Day", meaning there will continue to be Islam and Muslims then.



There are many religions, some which came before Islam and some which came after Islam. We know that Judaism and Christianity are both Abrahamic religions that preceded Islam, and the Qur'an cancelled that which came before it. Whatever Allah wills, is true and will happen, and we cannot and shouldn't question or doubt Him. He says in the Qur'an, وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ And Allah is all knowing and all wise

The true religion is Islam. Allah says in the Qur'an,

Say: "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith قُلْ إِنَّنِي هَدَانِي رَبِّي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ دِينًا قِيَمًا مِلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ حُنَفَاءَ وَيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُوا الزَّكَاةَ ۚ وَذَٰلِكَ دِينُ الْقَيِّمَةِ

هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ ۚ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهِيدًا
It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.

Oops, I thought like that because God Says it will be one day someone will take the Knowledge away and everyone will be disbelievers, and I thought that in Hereafter He will not punish though who became disbelievers after the Quran and the informations Muslims have collected from it, and then He will tell us what we have done and He will reward even those who fall into disbelief after the Knowledge is lifted, and that made me to think that this is the end of Islam.

[Nitro Zeus]

No, Islam will continue to be in this world until the Last Day, and then Islam will be the universal religion in the Hereafter. Allah says in the Qur'an multiple times, praising "those who believe in Allah and the Last Day", meaning there will continue to be Islam and Muslims then.



There are many religions, some which came before Islam and some which came after Islam. We know that Judaism and Christianity are both Abrahamic religions that preceded Islam, and the Qur'an cancelled that which came before it. Whatever Allah wills, is true and will happen, and we cannot and shouldn't question or doubt Him. He says in the Qur'an, وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ And Allah is all knowing and all wise

The true religion is Islam. Allah says in the Qur'an,

Say: "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith قُلْ إِنَّنِي هَدَانِي رَبِّي إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ دِينًا قِيَمًا مِلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ حُنَفَاءَ وَيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُوا الزَّكَاةَ ۚ وَذَٰلِكَ دِينُ الْقَيِّمَةِ

هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ ۚ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهِيدًا
It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.

I know that, but if He wanted the religion for example “Christianity” be only true religion then He will Guide Whoever He wants To the right religion(Christianity)? And is that true that if He wanted He can create Bible and Declare as The Noble Bible and that He protects it, and if He wanted He can Protect other books from corruption such as: Torah, Gospel, Bible and Quran? Just to know.

[sister herb]

"If He wanted" But He didn´t want to make Christianity the right religion but Islam.

This is not the first time when you ask similar questions in here. Why you all the time try to find such excuses like "if Allah wanted that Christianity would to be this and that or what if Allah would has wanted something else and so on"?

[Nitro Zeus]

"If He wanted" But He didn´t want to make Christianity the right religion but Islam.

This is not the first time when you ask similar questions in here. Why you all the time try to find such excuses like "if Allah wanted that Christianity would to be this and that or what if Allah would has wanted something else and so on"?

How could that be an excuse? What are the similar questions about that? I don’t remember that.

[Zzz_]

Yeah, but I need a verse about that, some say that Islam has no beginning and no end. And I want to prove that this statement is wrong, Islam has a beginning and an end. And I want to know if one day Islam will come to an end, because, someone asked this question, and I’m trying to help him. And I want a verse that says that God created Islam and Quran and He can create as I described above. And

There is two ways to look at it. One is that Islam came with the Quran.

“This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favors upon you, and have chosen for you, Islam as your religion.” [5:3]

The other is that Islam (as a Monotheistic) religion came with the first man and first prophet, Adam r.s. And all those prophets that came after him were Muslims (believers who submit to the will of Allah). So it depends in which context you are looking at it.

[Nitro Zeus]

There is two ways to look at it. One is that Islam came with the Quran.

“This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favors upon you, and have chosen for you, Islam as your religion.” [5:3]

The other is that Islam (as a Monotheistic) religion came with the first man and first prophet, Adam r.s. And all those prophets that came after him were Muslims (believers who submit to the will of Allah). So it depends in which context you are looking at it.

Aaaaa, so God Made Adam be a Muslim and that’s how Islam came? And, where does it say that God Made Adam be a Muslim?

[Zzz_]

if He wanted the religion for example “Christianity” be only true religion then He will Guide Whoever He wants To the right religion(Christianity)?

Islam is a religion of certainty, there are no ifs and buts about it.

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (3:85)

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Aaaaa, so God Made Adam be a Muslim and that’s how Islam came? And, where does it say that God Made Adam be a Muslim?

It should be noted that the word “Islam” may refer to two things: a general meaning and a specific meaning.


Islam in a general sense means submitting to Allaah alone, which implies worshipping Him alone and obeying Him alone.


Everyone who believes in Allaah alone and worships Him according to His laws that have not been abrogated is a Muslim.


more at https://islamqa.info/en/48987

[sister herb]

Aaaaa, so God Made Adam be a Muslim and that’s how Islam came? And, where does it say that God Made Adam be a Muslim?

As because of such questions it seems that your knowledge about the basics of Islam is quite limited, what if you would start to read the Quran by yourself (surely you have read it before I suppouse but new time might makes good for you) and study some basics of your religion again?

[OmAbdullah]

I’m asking this because, I want to know if it is true that God Almighty can create any religion and To Declare that this religion is true?

For example, if God wanted us be Christians, then I suppose He would Make Adam be Christian, then He will Declare that Christianity is only true religion and He will Say that Christianity will rule the world one day? Can God Make 3 or 4 true religions?

Like for example, it is true that if God wanted He would Make Moses be a Jew and then others be Jews and God will Declare that Judaism is the first true believing religion, and when Jesus will come God will Make Jesus be Christian and then God will Make another Declaration that Christianity is another true religion, and then the final religion Islam. And He can Say that one day Christianity, Judaism and Islam will rule the world and all the rest will fall? Can you provide some verses from Quran about that if it is true? If there’s anything unclear, let me know so that I can explain to you. And last one, if it is true that Islam will be destroyed by God one day? Can you provide some verses also about that if it is?

Out of curiosity.

Remember, in the last thread you had promised that you will prove that you are a true Muslim. Then you disappeared and instead of reading the Quraan, you read Bible. So now again you came with new strange questions and statement proving that you will not try to understand the Holy Quraan which is the only solution to your problems.

You are accusing God (Allah) with some contradictory statements (for e.g. this sentence in red:

Can God Make 3 or 4 true religions?)

I am trying to describe shortly the fact as follows (not for you but for the other readers whom you are trying to get confused with the accusations that you invented or your Christians invented against All-Mighty God Allah:


All readers, please note it that the religion near Allah (from Allah) is Islam and has been Islam only since the time of Adam alayhi salaam till Muhammad salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam. There is no contradiction in the words of Allah. The only True religion that Allah has sent down is Islam!



Allah said in the surah Aali-Imraan verse 19:

19. Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

************************************************** *****************************



The Holy Quraan confirms that the followers/disciples of Eisa alayhi salaam (Jeesus) were Muslims i.e they followed Islam. See the translation of the verse 52 of the surah Aali-Imraan:

52. But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

************************************************** ************************************

So Iesa (Jeesus) alayhi salaam was the Prophet of Islam. Christianity is deviation from Islam.


The Prophet Ibraaheem alayhi salaam was a Prophet of Islam. See the following:

ٍ
Surah Aali-Imraan verse 67(translation):

67. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.
************************************************** *****************

it is also mentioned in the Holy Quraan that Musa, Nooh and all other prophets were the followers of Islam. So Musa alayhi salaam taught Islam. Judaism is deviation from Islam.



In fact even if a Christian reads Quraan and Bible side by side, while remaining sincere, he/she shall understand that Bible is corrupted while Quraan is in its original form. The Book to Iesa alayhi salaam was Injeel (the Gospel), not Bible. Bible is a collection of the Gospel, Tawrah and Psalm. It has some of the original statements of Allah which are mixed up with the statements of Paul and others.


Allah preserved only the Holy Quraan because it is the Final of the Heavenly Books for the guidance of mankind till the end of this world. So the people on the Day of Resurrection will not be able to make excuse that there was no book in its original form for their guidance.

[Nitro Zeus]

Remember, in the last thread you had promised that you will prove that you are a true Muslim. Then you disappeared and instead of reading the Quraan, you read Bible. So now again you came with new strange questions and statement proving that you will not try to understand the Holy Quraan which is the only solution to your problems.

You are accusing God (Allah) with some contradictory statements (for e.g. this sentence in red:

Can God Make 3 or 4 true religions?

). I am trying to describe shortly the fact as follows (not for you but for the other readers whom you are trying to get confused with the accusations that you invented or your Christians invented against All-Mighty God Allah:


All readers, please note it that the religion near Allah (from Allah) is Islam and has been Islam only since the time of Adam alayhi salaam till Muhammad salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam. There is no contradiction in the words of Allah. The only True religion that Allah has sent down is Islam!



Allah said in the surah Aali-Imraan verse 19:

19. Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

************************************************** *****************************



The Holy Quraan confirms that the followers/disciples of Eisa alayhi salaam (Jeesus) were Muslims i.e they followed Islam. See the translation of the verse 52 of the surah Aali-Imraan:

52. But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

************************************************** ************************************

So Iesa (Jeesus) alayhi salaam was the Prophet of Islam. Christianity is deviation from Islam.


The Prophet Ibraaheem alayhi salaam was a Prophet of Islam. See the following:

ٍ
Surah Aali-Imraan verse 67(translation):

67. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

it is also mentioned in the Holy Quraan that Musa, Nooh and all other prophets were the followers of Islam. So Musa alayhi salaam taught Islam. Judaism is deviation from Islam.



In fact even if a Christian reads Quraan and Bible side by side, while remaining sincere, he/she shall understand that Bible is corrupted while Quraan is in its original form. The Book to Iesa alayhi salaam was Injeel (the Gospel), not Bible. Bible is a collection of the Gospel, Tawrah and Psalm. It has some of the original statements of Allah which are mixed up with the statements of Paul and others.


Allah preserved only the Holy Quraan because it is the Final of the Heavenly Books for the guidance of mankind till the end of this world. So the people on the Day of Resurrection will not be able to make excuse that there was no book in its original form for their guidance.

- - - Updated - - -




Remember, in the last thread you had promised that you will prove that you are a true Muslim. Then you disappeared and instead of reading the Quraan, you read Bible. So now again you came with new strange questions and statement proving that you will not try to understand the Holy Quraan which is the only solution to your problems.

You are accusing God (Allah) with some contradictory statements (for e.g. this sentence in red:

Can God Make 3 or 4 true religions?

). I am trying to describe shortly the fact as follows (not for you but for the other readers whom you are trying to get confused with the accusations that you invented or your Christians invented against All-Mighty God Allah:


All readers, please note it that the religion near Allah (from Allah) is Islam and has been Islam only since the time of Adam alayhi salaam till Muhammad salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam. There is no contradiction in the words of Allah. The only True religion that Allah has sent down is Islam!



Allah said in the surah Aali-Imraan verse 19:

19. Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

************************************************** *****************************



The Holy Quraan confirms that the followers/disciples of Eisa alayhi salaam (Jeesus) were Muslims i.e they followed Islam. See the translation of the verse 52 of the surah Aali-Imraan:

52. But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

************************************************** ************************************

So Iesa (Jeesus) alayhi salaam was the Prophet of Islam. Christianity is deviation from Islam.


The Prophet Ibraaheem alayhi salaam was a Prophet of Islam. See the following:

ٍ
Surah Aali-Imraan verse 67(translation):

67. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

it is also mentioned in the Holy Quraan that Musa, Nooh and all other prophets were the followers of Islam. So Musa alayhi salaam taught Islam. Judaism is deviation from Islam.



In fact even if a Christian reads Quraan and Bible side by side, while remaining sincere, he/she shall understand that Bible is corrupted while Quraan is in its original form. The Book to Iesa alayhi salaam was Injeel (the Gospel), not Bible. Bible is a collection of the Gospel, Tawrah and Psalm. It has some of the original statements of Allah which are mixed up with the statements of Paul and others.


Allah preserved only the Holy Quraan because it is the Final of the Heavenly Books for the guidance of mankind till the end of this world. So the people on the Day of Resurrection will not be able to make excuse that there was no book in its original form for their guidance.

I am a true Muslim. Fine, I’m sorry that I ask. And, I’m not accusing anybody, I am trying trying to understand Quran. I don’t read Bible, I only read Quran. And on the last thread I thought you said like that because “I asked many questions” and you thought that I don’t want to listen am I right? But it’s not true what you are thinking about me on that thread. And on here I only wanted to know that’s it, if I ask few questions doesn’t meant that I accuse God, no, I would never do that. I’m sorry again, my mistake that I want to know things. In case you don’t know, I read verses and Hadiths from Quran. I tried to find out this in Google by writing ......? in Islam or in Quran but I could not find what I want to find from Google, so that why I’m asking in here because maybe you know.

[Scimitar]

Yeah, but I need a verse about that, some say that Islam has no beginning and no end.

I don't think you know what Islam means bro!

[Nitro Zeus]

I don't think you know what Islam means bro!

Islam means submission to God. It is only true religion and it is a religion of peace, and Islam is very easy religion. That what Islam means. And I asked this because someone said Islam has no beginning and no end just like God and I want to prove that the statement he made is wrong and Islam is created by God and He Decreed that Islam will be also in Hereafter and forever.

[Scimitar]

Islam means submission to God.

It means submitting your will to His will, there have been many books written about this subject. The idea is simple to grasp - but not so simple to follow. So many Muslims claim they have imaan but complain at life, problems, issues, etc and they have no idea that they have failed to grasp the idea of "Submitting their will to the Will of Allah". This reflects very strongly in the arrogance of the Opening Post which asks "Did God create Islam?" - in other words, you are asking "Did God create the idea that we must obey His will by submitting ours to His?" - the answer is an obvious and resounding YES!!! it doesn't take rocket science. Your issue is not in understanding the question you ask, it's in not understanding what you are asking which is problematic!

I've heard atheists ask me at speakers corner "Is God so powerful that He can make a rock He can't lift?", my reply is - Is a square a circle?" or "Does the colour yellow have feelings of hatred?" - nonsense questions, I'm sure you agree!

You clearly do not understand how much you've compromised your own intellect by asking such a question.

I can recommend for you, some validated lines of enquiry if you truly want to understand the scope of your logical fallacy.

[OmAbdullah]

I am a true Muslim. Fine, I’m sorry that I ask. And, I’m not accusing anybody, I am trying trying to understand Quran. I don’t read Bible, I only read Quran. And on the last thread I thought you said like that because “I asked many questions” and you thought that I don’t want to listen am I right? But it’s not true what you are thinking about me on that thread. And on here I only wanted to know that’s it, if I ask few questions doesn’t meant that I accuse God, no, I would never do that. I’m sorry again, my mistake that I want to know things. In case you don’t know, I read verses and Hadiths from Quran. I tried to find out this in Google by writing ......? in Islam or in Quran but I could not find what I want to find from Google, so that why I’m asking in here because maybe you know.

I cannot believe that you read and try to understand the Holy Quraan. It is proved from your posts that you merely read Bible and then bring mockery-making questions from Bible. If you had started understanding the Holy Quraan only from the internet at quran.com or tafheem.net, your posts would change. Then your posts would reflect the fear of All-Mighty God as well as your sincere attempts to understand the Deen. Your posts would show a progress in your understanding and knowledge. You would appear to be a wise, honorable servant of All-Mighty God who would understand the secrets of the universe at large. But we have been trying with you very sincerely and you are not coming out of the stupid questions which clearly show that you are far far away from the Grand Wisdom of the Holy Quraan.

[greenhill]

Yeah, but I need a verse about that, some say that Islam has no beginning and no end. And I want to prove that this statement is wrong, Islam has a beginning and an end. And I want to know if one day Islam will come to an end, because, someone asked this question, and I’m trying to help him. And I want a verse that says that God created Islam and Quran and He can create as I described above. And

There are no exact quote as you would want..but there is the ayahs in sura Al Baqarah 30-38ish on the creation of Adam pbuh where Allah says to Adam after he was sent down to earth to dwell "We said, "Go down from it, all of you. And when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve." 2:38

"Whomever shall follow my guidance"... those guidance did come in a timely fashion mentioned in the Quran as the Books the names of it (that we are informed of surely there were more) were Taurat, Zabur, Injeel and the Quran ...


:peace:

[Supernova]

I cannot believe that you read and try to understand the Holy Quraan. It is proved from your posts that you merely read Bible and then bring mockery-making questions from Bible. If you had started understanding the Holy Quraan only from the internet at quran.com or tafheem.net, your posts would change. Then your posts would reflect the fear of All-Mighty God as well as your sincere attempts to understand the Deen. Your posts would show a progress in your understanding and knowledge. You would appear to be a wise, honorable servant of All-Mighty God who would understand the secrets of the universe at large. But we have been trying with you very sincerely and you are not coming out of the stupid questions which clearly show that you are far far away from the Grand Wisdom of the Holy Quraan.

Asalaamualaykum

I have pointed out the identical issue to both the OP and MODERATORS alike. The only thing that comes out from this persons mouth is utter donkey excretion (and that's even a embarrassing to the digestive tract of a donkey to be honest).

You'd be even more surprised that Muslims jumped in his defence and moderators even allow him to infect the very Aqeeda of people in this forum.

[Nitro Zeus]

I cannot believe that you read and try to understand the Holy Quraan. It is proved from your posts that you merely read Bible and then bring mockery-making questions from Bible. If you had started understanding the Holy Quraan only from the internet at quran.com or tafheem.net, your posts would change. Then your posts would reflect the fear of All-Mighty God as well as your sincere attempts to understand the Deen. Your posts would show a progress in your understanding and knowledge. You would appear to be a wise, honorable servant of All-Mighty God who would understand the secrets of the universe at large. But we have been trying with you very sincerely and you are not coming out of the stupid questions which clearly show that you are far far away from the Grand Wisdom of the Holy Quraan.

Look, I can prove that step by step you are wrong of what you’re thinking of me. Maybe I don’t know how to respect my promise because sometimes I broke them and sometimes I respect them but I can try more. I’m asking this because I want some evidences that Islam is also God’s creation and it has a beginning and no end, so that I can answer someone who asked this question “who is the founder of Islam” and some says that Islam has no beginning and no end, so that I can prove that this person was wrong and Islam has a beginning and have no end. Do you understand? And sometimes, I’m interested to know things so that in future I will know better.


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[Ümit]

Look, I can prove that step by step you are wrong of what you’re thinking of me. Maybe I don’t know how to respect my promise because sometimes I broke them and sometimes I respect them but I can try more. I’m asking this because I want some evidences that Islam is also God’s creation and it has a beginning and no end, so that I can answer someone who asked this question “who is the founder of Islam” and some says that Islam has no beginning and no end, so that I can prove that this person was wrong and Islam has a beginning and have no end. Do you understand? And sometimes, I’m interested to know things so that in future I will know better.


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I do not think you can find any verse on this. But you can reason about it like this:
Islam simply means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law in Arabic.
We all know Allah has no beginning and no end. You can find lots of verses about this.
We also know that Allah created every living creature. You can find verses about this.
We all know that in thehereafter there will be eternal life in Heaven or Hell. You can find verses about this.

This means Islam has a beginning, because the living creatures cannot obey Allahs will if they do not exist.
This also means that Islam has no end because we will have eternal life in thehereafter, and as long as we exist we will obey Allahs will.

Just simple logic that Islam has a beginning but no end.

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Asalaamualaykum

I have pointed out the identical issue to both the OP and MODERATORS alike. The only thing that comes out from this persons mouth is utter donkey excretion (and that's even a embarrassing to the digestive tract of a donkey to be honest).

You'd be even more surprised that Muslims jumped in his defence and moderators even allow him to infect the very Aqeeda of people in this forum.

Yes I jumped in his defence. I do not know this guy and his real motives, but I usually believe in the good in all people.
Although I do agree that some of his questions are on the edge, I still would ask you not to lose your cool and just try to answer as good as possible.
you will lose nothing with that and besides, it is a great exercise for you.
He does not look like a threat.

[Mahir Adnan]

hazrat adam (alaihis salam) is the first Muslim. Allah says, When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37
I heard qiyamat will fall upon kuffars.
Hadhrat Abdullah bin Umar Al-Farooq (R.A.) narrates that Allah Ta’ala will not lift up the knowledge (of Deen) by removing it from the hearts of people, but instead he will lift up (cause the death) of those possessing Deeni knowledge gradually until no Aalim remains. At such a time people will turn towards the ignorant people in matters pertaining to Deen, seeking verdicts (Fatawa) from them. They will issue verdicts without knowledge. They will be deviated and lead others astray. (Mishkaat)

[OmAbdullah]

hazrat adam (alaihis salam) is the first Muslim. Allah says, When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37
I heard qiyamat will fall upon kuffars.
Hadhrat Abdullah bin Umar Al-Farooq (R.A.) narrates that Allah Ta’ala will not lift up the knowledge (of Deen) by removing it from the hearts of people, but instead he will lift up (cause the death) of those possessing Deeni knowledge gradually until no Aalim remains. At such a time people will turn towards the ignorant people in matters pertaining to Deen, seeking verdicts (Fatawa) from them. They will issue verdicts without knowledge. They will be deviated and lead others astray. (Mishkaat)

Knowledge will be removed by the death of the true scholars and the Muslim Ummah then will have no scholars because the Muslims will not learn and understand the Holy Quraan to become learned Muslims. As long as Muslims try to learn the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah the knowledge will remain and the Muslim Ummah will be strong.


So we must realize that Allah is not depriving us of the scholars and knowledge, rather it is the Muslims themselves who are throwing the Holy Quraan at their backs like the jews did! And the Hadeeth of the Prophet salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam is informing us about this attitude of the Muslims towards the Holy Quraan. I can prove my statement by the verse 30 of the surah Al-Furqaan, its translation is:

30. And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned."

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This verse comes in the context of the description about the Day of Judgment. Therefore, it is like the Prophet salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam will complain about the Ummah on the Day of Judgment.

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Look, I can prove that step by step you are wrong of what you’re thinking of me. Maybe I don’t know how to respect my promise because sometimes I broke them and sometimes I respect them but I can try more. I’m asking this because I want some evidences that Islam is also God’s creation and it has a beginning and no end, so that I can answer someone who asked this question “who is the founder of Islam” and some says that Islam has no beginning and no end, so that I can prove that this person was wrong and Islam has a beginning and have no end. Do you understand? And sometimes, I’m interested to know things so that in future I will know better.


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If you write an article, will you say, 'this article is created by me?"

If a king makes some laws and implement them, will you say, "These laws are created by the king?"

I am sure you will not use such strange words about your article or about the king's laws. Then why do you use strange unusual words about Allah and Allah's Deen?


If you claim to be a Muslim then you must seek beneficial knowledge. A Muslim believes in the Day of Judgment, Accounting, Punishment in Hell and Reward in Paradise. Due to his/her belief, he/she is worried about his/her accounting. Therefore, they are always very busy to find and know how to protect themselves from the terrible punishment in Hell, and to be protected from the hard Accounting, so they check their words and conduct. Even in this world, they fear the Anger of Allah and keep their tongue and hands under full control. So they will not utter words or use their hands for doing or writing something to make Allah angry.
Now if you look at your posts, the useless questions that you posted are not to benefit you in the Here-after. You are completely careless and carefree about your Accounting and punishment in the Here-After. You are also fearless from the Anger of Allah in this world. That is a clear proof that you have no faith about the Day of Judgment. You consider yourself as a free person to do whatever you want.

I will be thankful to this forum if you are banned from here.

[Nitro Zeus]

Knowledge will be removed by the death of the true scholars and the Muslim Ummah then will have no scholars because the Muslims will not learn and understand the Holy Quraan to become learned Muslims. As long as Muslims try to learn the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah the knowledge will remain and the Muslim Ummah will be strong.


So we must realize that Allah is not depriving us of the scholars and knowledge, rather it is the Muslims themselves who are throwing the Holy Quraan at their backs like the jews did! And the Hadeeth of the Prophet salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam is informing us about this attitude of the Muslims towards the Holy Quraan. I can prove my statement by the verse 30 of the surah Al-Furqaan, its translation is:

30. And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned."

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This verse comes in the context of the description about the Day of Judgment. Therefore, it is like the Prophet salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam will complain about the Ummah on the Day of Judgment.

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If you write an article, will you say, 'this article is created by me?"

If a king makes some laws and implement them, will you say, "These laws are created by the king?"

I am sure you will not use such strange words about your article or about the king's laws. Then why do you use strange unusual words about Allah and Allah's Deen?


If you claim to be a Muslim then you must seek beneficial knowledge. A Muslim believes in the Day of Judgment, Accounting, Punishment in Hell and Reward in Paradise. Due to his/her belief, he/she is worried about his/her accounting. Therefore, they are always very busy to find and know how to protect themselves from the terrible punishment in Hell, and to be protected from the hard Accounting, so they check their words and conduct. Even in this world, they fear the Anger of Allah and keep their tongue and hands under full control. So they will not utter words or use their hands for doing or writing something to make Allah angry.
Now if you look at your posts, the useless questions that you posted are not to benefit you in the Here-after. You are completely careless and carefree about your Accounting and punishment in the Here-After. You are also fearless from the Anger of Allah in this world. That is a clear proof that you have no faith about the Day of Judgment. You consider yourself as a free person to do whatever you want.

I will be thankful to this forum if you are banned from here.

You’re right. Sorry brother, I didn’t realized what I did, but now I do, this will be the last mistake and next time I will only ask only beneficial knowledge. Sometimes, I like to ask things so that I can know more or just for me but now I realized that it was bad what I did. And, I don’t consider myself a “free person”. Oh and, next time can you please stop irritating me by saying bad words such as “you’re careless” or “you’re lier” I don’t like that, you could remind me to stop asking nonsense questions and that would be enough. My Christian mother used to say this to me:

“Ce tie nu-ti place, altuia nu-i face”

“What you don’t like, to others don’t do it”

If someone calls you a “lier” or “you’re careless”? I’m pretty sure you don’t like to be called like that.


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[Mahir Adnan]

Knowledge will be removed by the death of the true scholars and the Muslim Ummah then will have no scholars because the Muslims will not learn and understand the Holy Quraan to become learned Muslims. As long as Muslims try to learn the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah the knowledge will remain and the Muslim Ummah will be strong

I guess your view is correct too.but I won't leave my opinion as its the widely accepted explanation

[OmAbdullah]

You’re right. Sorry brother, I didn’t realized what I did, but now I do, this will be the last mistake and next time I will only ask only beneficial knowledge. Sometimes, I like to ask things so that I can know more or just for me but now I realized that it was bad what I did. And, I don’t consider myself a “free person”. Oh and, next time can you please stop irritating me by saying bad words such as “you’re careless” or “you’re lier” I don’t like that, you could remind me to stop asking nonsense questions and that would be enough. My Christian mother used to say this to me:

“Ce tie nu-ti place, altuia nu-i face”

“What you don’t like, to others don’t do it”

If someone calls you a “lier” or “you’re careless”? I’m pretty sure you don’t like to be called like that.


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I have never used the words liar for you. If somebody is careless and is going to fall into a river at his back while I am sincerely trying to protect him/her then I must say clearly that you are very careless. This is not an abusing word. I observe that due to your carelessness, you are going to fall into the terrible Fire of Hell. Then I must say clear words to make you awake and alert. Moreover, we human beings are nothing but you as a human being care so much for your respect while your attitude about Allah and His Deen is so much bad and you don't realize it. Allah's Honor is very High. A Muslim doesn't say any words against Allah's Honor. That is also the quality of a Muslim. So you must check yourself for that quality. Even a Christian heart /mind has the fear of God and has respect for God's Deen. But that will be a true Christian.

[Nitro Zeus]

I have never used the words liar for you. If somebody is careless and is going to fall into a river at his back while I am sincerely trying to protect him/her then I must say clearly that you are very careless. This is not an abusing word. I observe that due to your carelessness, you are going to fall into the terrible Fire of Hell. Then I must say clear words to make you awake and alert. Moreover, we human beings are nothing but you as a human being care so much for your respect while your attitude about Allah and His Deen is so much bad and you don't realize it. Allah's Honor is very High. A Muslim doesn't say any words against Allah's Honor. That is also the quality of a Muslim. So you must check yourself for that quality. Even a Christian heart /mind has the fear of God and has respect for God's Deen. But that will be a true Christian.

You said it to me in the last post that “I’m a lier”, “I like to deceive Muslims” and “surely you’re troll”. I appreciate what you’re trying to do, but why did you said to me “I’ll be thankful to this forum if you’re banned”? I felt disturbed when I read this. I hope I will not go to that bad place not even for 1 second, my wish is to go the highest level in Heaven and I will start from now to make my baggage so that I will go to the highest level in Heaven. And if I want to ask personal things not necessarily to be about religion only sometimes out of curiosity you know what I mean? and sometimes I ask only what is beneficial. Will that be ok if I do this?


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[OmAbdullah]

You said it to me in the last post that “I’m a lier”, “I like to deceive Muslims” and “surely you’re troll”. I appreciate what you’re trying to do, but why did you said to me “I’ll be thankful to this forum if you’re banned”? I felt disturbed when I read this. I hope I will not go to that bad place not even for 1 second, my wish is to go the highest level in Heaven and I will start from now to make my baggage so that I will go to the highest level in Heaven. And if I want to ask personal things not necessarily to be about religion only sometimes out of curiosity you know what I mean? and sometimes I ask only what is beneficial. Will that be ok if I do this?

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Very good that you start your baggage for Heaven but you must know what should you have in that baggage. In short I tell you only one hadeeth of the Final Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alayhi wa sallam. He said: "I am leaving among you two things, the Book of Allah and my Sunnah. Whoever holds fast to these two will never go astray". (And Allah knows the best.)


So you will clean your heart /mind and tongue by the Faith and actions of Islam. and thus your preparation will start for making the baggage. Whatever I said to you or about you, was for your benefit. Sometimes a person sleeps so deeply that a destruction is coming upon him/her in the form of a flood or fire, the surrounding people are calling him repeatedly but in vain. Finally one of the people starts beating him hard to wake him/her. That beating is for their benefit.