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Kashif Amin
02-24-2018, 02:34 PM
Hamza Yusuf mentioned in his lecture that one of the signs of Day of Qiyamah is that [civilized] people will expose their thighs in market places. Can anyone give the name of the book from where this hadith is taken?
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azc
02-24-2018, 03:32 PM
People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposedGreat distances will be traversed in short spans of timeThe people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans) (Muslim)https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/fa...rred-occurring

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Misbah-Abd
02-24-2018, 04:59 PM
People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposed. Part of a hadith compiled by at-Tirmidhi. Now if someone knows the authenticity please post.
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Zzz_
02-24-2018, 05:03 PM
that's just a list written up by someone. There is no source given for that statement.
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Kashif Amin
02-24-2018, 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by Zzz_
that's just a list written up by someone. There is no source given for that statement.
Then why did Shiekh Hamza Yusuf mention this hadith in his lecture?
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Kashif Amin
02-24-2018, 05:06 PM
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Zzz_
02-24-2018, 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by Kashif Amin
Then why did Shiekh Hamza Yusuf mention this hadith in his lecture?
If no source is given, i don't believe it. The link shared gives a list of signs, some of them have sources while others don't and those i see nothing more than statements that could come from the speaker himself or weak or fabricated hadiths. There is a hadith that says people will copulate in public like donkeys, now that has a reference you can quote.
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Kashif Amin
02-24-2018, 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Zzz_
If no source is given, i don't believe it. The link shared gives a list of signs, some of them have sources while others don't and those i see nothing more than statements that could come from the speaker himself or weak or fabricated hadiths. There is a hadith that says people will copulate in public like donkeys, now that has a reference you can quote.
All of these ahadith (in the list as well as in the video) have some source whether mentioned or not (i.e., Kanzul Ammal, Kitab Al Fitan, Fath Al Bari, Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah, Dur Al Manthur etc.) except this one (thighs exposed). I have already checked that.
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Zzz_
02-24-2018, 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by Kashif Amin
All of these ahadith (in the list as well as in the video) have some source whether mentioned or not (i.e., Kanzul Ammal, Kitab Al Fitan, Fath Al Bari, Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah, Dur Al Manthur etc.) except this one (thighs exposed). I have already checked that.
I would stick to authentic ahadith only, not some ammal (collection) of hadith, regardless of it being a authentic or not.


Is Kanz al-Ummal byAli ibn Abd-al-Malik al-Hindi a authentic hadith collection?

The purpose of the book was to arrange al-Suyuti's al-Jaami` al-sageer into fiqhi sections. Writer of kanz ul ummaal also added some other ahadees too in his book though.


And JAMIA is also a type of hadees collection, like sahih is a type of collection, jamia is a type of collection in which author's main intent is only to collect all the ahadees he can find in one place. Not caring much about authenticity or anything.


Also the writer of this book book does not claim to have only authentic/sahih ahadees in this book though, their are many weak narrations in this book too. So as a whole book, we can't call it authentic like we call sahih bukhari or sahih muslim authentic books.

https://islam.stackexchange.com/ques...al-ummal/36068
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Misbah-Abd
02-24-2018, 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by Kashif Amin
Then why did Shiekh Hamza Yusuf mention this hadith in his lecture?
Wouldn't be the first time he did this. He used the hadith of the black flags from Khorasan as part of a lecture to refute ISIS and that hadith is weak. He has used the hadith of the greater and lesser jihad in other discussions and that one is weak also.

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Originally Posted by Kashif Amin
Then why did Shiekh Hamza Yusuf mention this hadith in his lecture?
Wouldn't be the first time he did this. He used the hadith of the black flags from Khorasan as part of a lecture to refute ISIS and that hadith is weak. He has used the hadith of the greater and lesser jihad in other discussions and that one is weak also.
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Kashif Amin
02-24-2018, 06:01 PM
But the hadith about the Sign of Qiyamah is authentic-

Itha ra’aitun mecca bu’ijat katha’ima, wa ya-tasawa bunyanuha ru’usa jibaliha, faqad athalati as-Sa’atu.

When you see Mecca, its mountain with holes (pierced through them), and its buildings reach its mountain tops, then as-Sa’ah (the Hour) has already cast its shadow.

[Suyuti]


The Hadiyth has both literal and metaphorical implications. The metaphorical implication is that the Hour has already cast its shadow means that the Hour is approaching, as Imam Suyuti has explained.

When the Mecca Clock Tower was built in 2012, it reached, or even surpassed, the mountain tops of Mecca. And, the Hadiyth says that when you see the buildings in Mecca reach (or surpass) the mountain tops, then the Hour has already cast its shadow, i.e. this is a sign that the Hour is near (close by).

The Clock Tower is also called Burj as-Sa’ah, one of the meanings of as-Sa’ah is the Clock. The Clock Tower actually casts its shadow over the Kaba. So, in a literal fulfilment of the prophecy, as-Sa’ah (the Clock) has already cast its shadow (over the Kaba).

The Clock Tower is a disrespect to the Kaba, in two-folds: it dwarfs the Kaba, and also it casts its shadow over the Kaba.

In the above Hadiyth it was stated that the buildings in Mecca will reach its mountain tops. In a variation of this Hadiyth it is stated that the buildings in Mecca will surpass its mountain tops, the Hadiyth is as follows:

فإذا رأيت مكة قد بعجت كظائم ورأيت البناء يعلو رءوس الجبال فاعلم أن الأمر قد أظلكo

So when you see in Makkah that channels have already been dug (or tunnels built), and you see the buildings surpass the tops of the mountains, then know that the command (of the Hour) has already cast its shadow over you.

[Narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah in Al-Musannaf, Hadiyth-124]

And, with a slight variation in another Hadiyth:

إِذَا رَأَيْتَ مَكَّةَ قَدْ بُعِجَتْ كِظَامًا وَرَأَيْتَ الْبِنَاءَ قَدْ عَلا عَلَى رُءُوسِ الْجِبَالِ ، فَاعْلَمْ أَنَّ الأَمْرَ قَدْ أَظَلَّكَ-o-

When you see in Makkah, that already its mountains are with holes (pierced through them), and you see that the buildings have already surpassed over the tops of the mountain, then know that the command (of the Hour) has already cast its shadow over you (or the matter is close at hand).

[Narrated by Al-Azraqi in the Book of reports about Makkah – Kitab Akhbaar Makkah, Hadiyth-1724]

And, with a slight variation in another Hadiyth:

إِذَا رَأَيْتَ الْمَاءَ بِطَرِيقِ مَكَّةَ وَرَأَيْتَ الْبِنَاءَ يَعْلُو أَخْشَبَيْهَا ، فَخُذْ حِذْرَكَ-o

When you see the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages (i.e. tunnels) (or water in the road to Makkah), and you see the buildings surpass its mountains, then take care (or beware, or a variant has: then know that the matter is at hand, or then understand that the time of trial (Judgment day) is near at hand).

[Narrated by Al-Azraqi in the Book of reports about Makkah – Kitab Akhbaar Makkah, Hadiyth-1725;

Nu`aym b. Hammad in Kitab al-Fitan 1:43 no. 59 (with its chain);

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani in Fath al-Bari: Kitab al-Hajj, Bab ayna yusalli al-zuhra yawma al-tarwiya, and he sourced it to al-Fakihi’s Tarikh Makkah;

Ibrahim al-Harbi in Gharib al-Hadiyth]

In all of the above narrations it states about – the mountains having holes (pierced/drilled through them), or the channels have already been dug, or the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages, or water in the road to Makkah, or tunnels built in Makkah; all of these prophecies simultaneously hold good, this is how:

These statements refer to the tunnels going through the mountains in Makkah, so we have the description of holes being pierced/drilled through the mountains. These tunnels are used by both pedestrians and vehicles.

The word ‘tunnels built in Makkah’ also refers to tunnels under the mountains of Makkah and beneath the ground, (such as those made for the) huge pipes, (which carry) Zamzam water.

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Kashif Amin
02-24-2018, 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
Wouldn't be the first time he did this. He used the hadith of the black flags from Khorasan as part of a lecture to refute ISIS and that hadith is weak. He has used the hadith of the greater and lesser jihad in other discussions and that one is weak also.

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Wouldn't be the first time he did this. He used the hadith of the black flags from Khorasan as part of a lecture to refute ISIS and that hadith is weak. He has used the hadith of the greater and lesser jihad in other discussions and that one is weak also.
How can you say that hadith (about ISIS) is weak. It is written in Kitab Al Fitan by Nuaim bin Hammad the teacher of Imam Bukhari.
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Misbah-Abd
02-24-2018, 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by Kashif Amin
How can you say that hadith (about ISIS) is weak. It is written in Kitab Al Fitan by Nuaim bin Hammad the teacher of Imam Bukhari.
https://islamqa.info/en/171131

The hadith narrated from Abu Hurayrah about the black banners is not saheeh - islamqa.info
How sound is the hadith that was narrated by Abu Hurayrah may Allah be pleased with himaccording to which the Prophet blessings and peace of Allah be upon him s...
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Kashif Amin
02-24-2018, 06:21 PM
This is the actual hadith. It does not mention Khorasan here. (the hadith that you are talking about)Attachment 6373
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Misbah-Abd
02-24-2018, 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Kashif Amin
This is the actual hadith. It does not mention Khorasan here.Attachment 6373
The link showed you why the scholars rejected that hadith. Some version have Khorasan others may not. But all hadiths and their variations come via Rishdeen ibn Sa'd and hadiths scholars reject him as reliable. So therefore any variation of the hadith is weak. And Allah Knows Best
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