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chalks75
That’s true , atheism is not a claim to knowledge.
But
I wasn’t talking about atheism , I was talking about religions.
I does not matter how many people believe something ... it does not make it true.
If one person or a billion people believe something that is untrue .... the fact that they believe it’s true , does not make it true.
If you claim to know something , you should be able to demonstrate how you know it .
Beliefs should be justified , I believe this because of x y z.
Hopefully the reasons you believe something are good , sound, solid reasons.
After all , we all want to believe as many true things as possible.
Islaam is justified. We believe in the Quraan because it is a miracle on its own. how it is revealed by an illiterate person, the style how it is written, how flawless it is...that modern science cannot point a flaw in it...
There is no logical explanation how such a book can be produced in such circumstances, so it is divine....and if it is divine, then it is true...and therefore we believe in it.
Besides, Islaam is in total harmony with science. they are each others extensions...no other religion has this.
Science is just an approximation of the truth...one observes some strange phenomonon, believes that it may be causes by this or that, developes a theory, developes tests to examine this theory, depending on the outcome, the theory gets corrected and stands untill a more accurate test is performed to prove, disprove or correct the original theory.
So, it is possible that science can be a little off from the truth on some subjects.
Quraan however, is Gods word, and is therefore always the truth...If God created everything...even the laws of nature...why would He then teach us something different in the Quraan?
That would not make sense, would it?
So muslims support science as well, because it is a human method to understand the habitat we all live in.
Finally, according to science it is impossible that the whole universe came into existence on its own. The development of Earth took 14 billion years. seeing what circumstances was needed to form a single DNA molecule...there is no way that it can form just by coincidence in 14 billion years.
Besides, from Chaos does not come order. Glass is actually just molten SiO2 which is basically molten sand, deserts are full of it...yet you will never find an empty perfectly formed marmelade jar in the desert totally formed on its own...you will not find any piece of glass with the inscription "made on its own"...you will never find perfect, anatomically correct full stone statues of anything, totally made on its own....but the material is already there, for billions of years...so the world, moon, and other celestial bodies should be full with some sort of statues, yet nothing.
From chaos does not come order. That just does not make sense...it is not logical. So there must be some other explanation for it...which is the Quraan.
It is given information to us...So it is wise to at least investigate it.
But despite of that small chance of happening...even if a complete full functioning cell has been formed by chance...it still is dead material.
There is no possible explanation how dead material can come to life...evolusionist theorists speak about early enzymes that were hardly alive found each other and formed the first DNA molecule, but still the step between dead and hardly alive is infinitely huge.
So there must be some other explanation for it...which is God.
So to say "we do not know" is false, because we still have this given information, the Quraan. This is extra information for us to guide us, to give us directions.
It is up to you if you walk in that pointed direction or you just dwell in the dark and try to find your own way.
That is why we believe...and it is solid, explainable and totally logical.