Divorce in Bangladesh Skyrocketing Fast

[CuriousonTruth]

http://www.ittefaq.com.bd/national/3...A6%BE%E0%A6%B0

(Translation by me)

Important points:

- Divorced increased by twice, seperation by three times in last 10 years
- 80% of divorces now are from women, whereas just 10 years ago 75% of divorces were from men.
- Experts say increased female income, social status and independence behind divorce rate rise
- Furthermore, females tend to be more attached to their professional life than marriage life
- Experts further say, foreign culture (they mean Western culture) has increased adultery and wanting other "desires" (not specified here) which has lead to divorces/
- Futhermore, social media also is said to play a part

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Okay Taliban, I'm sold out to their ideology. I now fully agree with their view on women, they were right all along.

[ardianto]

- Experts say increased female income, social status and independence behind divorce rate rise
- Furthermore, females tend to be more attached to their professional life than marriage life
- Experts further say, foreign culture (they mean Western culture) has increased adultery and wanting other "desires" (not specified here) which has lead to divorces/
- Futhermore, social media also is said to play a part

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Okay Taliban, I'm sold out to their ideology. I now fully agree with their view on women, they were right all along.

A woman will never ask divorce if she always loves her husband.

My late wife was type of independent woman when I married her in 1994. She was working as bank customer service, and she was beautiful woman. Just two years after we got married my business collapsed. I lost my business, lost much money. After jobless for few months I worked in small company with salary that far low than my wife salary. We haven’t had child in that time. So if my wife asked divorce in that time, she could easily get new husband. She was beautiful woman!.

But she never thought about divorce. Later after we had our first child her bank closed by government. But she refused job offer because she decided to become housewife although I never asked her for it. Then, Alhamdulillah, I could start my new business and our financial condition began to better and better. We stayed together until Allah called my beloved wife returned to him in 11 June 2013. We stayed together until death did us part.

My wife has gone, back to Allah

No matter how success your wife in career, no matter how high her income, no matter how independent she is ……. Your wife will never ask divorce if she always loves you. And your wife will love you if you could build yourself to be a man who worth to be loved by a woman.

[anatolian]

I am also bored of that male dominated view of modern family issues. Men are responsible of the divorces as much as women. Stop blaming "the other" each time and try to see our own faults. Here in Turkey the wife murders by husbands skyrocketed also. These psychopats kill their wives when they try to divorce. Would you not divorce a man with such a mentality?

[CuriousonTruth]

A woman will never ask divorce if she always loves her husband.

My late wife was type of independent woman when I married her in 1994. She was working as bank customer service, and she was beautiful woman. Just two years after we got married my business collapsed. I lost my business, lost much money. After jobless for few months I worked in small company with salary that far low than my wife salary. We haven’t had child in that time. So if my wife asked divorce in that time, she could easily get new husband. She was beautiful woman!.

But she never thought about divorce. Later after we had our first child her bank closed by government. But she refused job offer because she decided to become housewife although I never asked her for it. Then, Alhamdulillah, I could start my new business and our financial condition began to better and better. We stayed together until Allah called my beloved wife returned to him in 11 June 2013. We stayed together until death did us part.

My wife has gone, back to Allah

No matter how success your wife in career, no matter how high her income, no matter how independent she is ……. Your wife will never ask divorce if she always loves you. And your wife will love you if you could build yourself to be a man who worth to be loved by a woman.

That is an official survey and you are talking about your personal experience. Very different things.

We have already seen what feminism done to the idea of family in the West, previously it was thought only Western women can fall into that, Asian women would never fall into. But we see know that isn't the case. Feminism has and can destroy entire societies of any ethnicity as it is proving all too well in my country.

Independent, working women can't make healthy family majority of the time because of various factors.

The only good thing here is that it is mainly secular, richer families which are being torn apart, which means they will reproduce less. The conservative, middle class families are still unaffected (for now).

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I am also bored of that male dominated view of modern family issues. Men are responsible of the divorces as much as women. Stop blaming "the other" each time and try to see our own faults. Here in Turkey the wife murders by husbands skyrocketed also. These psychopats kill their wives when they try to divorce. Would you not divorce a man with such a mentality?

Except in Bangladesh they are not. Daily Ittefaq is a pro-government secular newspaper. And Dhaka University(from where expert opinions were gathered) is the 2nd most secular university in Bangladesh.

And even they mentioned it's because women have much more wealth, they divorce their husband in a snap of a finger. And did you forget the statistics say 80% are by women, NOT men?

I forgot to mention one thing. In North Dhaka (the richer, secular part) the divorce increased by 75%, in South Dhaka(more conservative, where I live) it only increased by 16%. This clearly shows that it has completely to do with Westernization, feminism, etc not domestic abuse.

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[ardianto]

That is an official survey and you are talking about your personal experience. Very different things.

I was arguing conclusion of the survey that seem like just blame the women.


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Ask those men too, why couldn't they make their wives comfortable with them.

[CuriousonTruth]

I was arguing conclusion of the survey that seem like just blame the women.


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Ask those men too, why couldn't they make their wives comfortable with them.

believe me Bangladeshi political establishment and Media are hardcore feminist. You should have seen how happy Mps of ruling party were when they gave the news that now there are more female than male students in Primary school. There is an active process of emasculation of men here, and men are too busy playing liberal, progressive to actually do anything about it.

As for why..... well I guess given that women have impossible standards of wealth and looks (all the while being below average themselves), ask for extortionate Mahr, etc. But as mentioned they are more worried about their professional life and they delay children and/or have abortion (yeah thats allowed in BD). And when husband is suspicious about their illicit relations with male co-workers, they snap.

Too many problems of women to mention in one thread.

If what Mr. anatolian says is true, I'd rather live in Turkey than Bangladesh. This country is well and truly going to the drain.

[azc]

A woman will never ask divorce if she always loves her husband.

My late wife was type of independent woman when I married her in 1994. She was working as bank customer service, and she was beautiful woman. Just two years after we got married my business collapsed. I lost my business, lost much money. After jobless for few months I worked in small company with salary that far low than my wife salary. We haven’t had child in that time. So if my wife asked divorce in that time, she could easily get new husband. She was beautiful woman!.

But she never thought about divorce. Later after we had our first child her bank closed by government. But she refused job offer because she decided to become housewife although I never asked her for it. Then, Alhamdulillah, I could start my new business and our financial condition began to better and better. We stayed together until Allah called my beloved wife returned to him in 11 June 2013. We stayed together until death did us part.

My wife has gone, back to Allah

No matter how success your wife in career, no matter how high her income, no matter how independent she is ……. Your wife will never ask divorce if she always loves you. And your wife will love you if you could build yourself to be a man who worth to be loved by a woman.

inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'oon

[SintoDinto]

I am also bored of that male dominated view of modern family issues. Men are responsible of the divorces as much as women. Stop blaming "the other" each time and try to see our own faults. Here in Turkey the wife murders by husbands skyrocketed also. These psychopats kill their wives when they try to divorce. Would you not divorce a man with such a mentality?

as you can see, @CuriousonTruth is ignoring you. Good job. It means youre right. Also, I wouldn't just divorce such a man, I would have my brother, father, uncle, cousin, or son kill such a man. EDIT: Curiousontruth isn't ignoring you nevermind. he responded. but yes, @CuriousonTruth you clearly lack compassion for women. murder is worse than "more women in school than men" which has economic factors to account for.

[xboxisdead]

Now I understand the hikma behind why Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) decreed that men will be providing for financially even if he is poor and she is rich. This way...the women will not be qiyama of men (which contradicts the aya) if he is poor and she is well educated or rich. As men you should not care if the womenfolk are educated and will financially set...your role as husband and your throne as husband will not be taken from you. You still are the head of the household, you still are the provider and protector and she the wife...still have to obey you regardless if she have IQ of 350 and you have IQ of 80. She still have TO OBEY you...even if she have a big company and she own a trillion dollar industry and you working in a convenient store. And if the husband orders his wife to stop working..she have to obey him. As long as the husband does not order his wife to do something that goes against Allah then she have to obey him.

It is that simple. Now murdering anyone is haraam and such evil cannot be compared to women seeking educations. But the Muslim brothers have fallen pray to the exact same situation as the non-Muslim people fell into. The assumption the abusers and murders are only men. When scientific study have shown that domestic violence are 50/50 and the instigator are women and now women are beating men in the domestic statistic area. The problem we are facing returns back to the same thing. There are social programs and society backup women in trouble but no such program for men. That is the oppression I see here. I want both murders of men and women to stop. I want murders of innocent children to stop. I want voices for children more than voices for men or women...because we have no social program for that weak child...that innocent child...that child...who have no say..no power who have not matured and who is physically weak....no social group for these kids to have a good society to live in....

So..sorry if I do not weep for murdering men or women when I see children who suffer the most and there is no organization for them...sorry...or voice for them.....

Now if women want to take education under the guise that she is liberating herself and improving herself but her true intention is to emasculate men or go into power struggle between men vs women....then let me tell you that these type of women you shouldn't be wasting your time anyways. All these women are doing are hurting themselves and their sisters and making women look like immature little girls...and on top of that they still will not be able to take the husband's throne because Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) decreed it in the verse and he will wage war against anyone who wages war against him. Don't think for a split second that Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) will not wage war at his enemies regardless of gender. He will. He will wage war against women the same as he will wage war against men.

Just remember for all these rich, highly mature, highly educated, highly IQ strong, independent women who do not need man...if you are married to a man and not full blown lesbian your husband is obliged to spend on you...BY LAW...by Allah's law even if he makes 20,000 a year and he spends on you 300 dollars because that is all he could afford and you make 8 trillion a month..as he is obliged to spend on you...YOU are obliged to OBEY HIM and respect him and not shout at him and not demean him and not emasculate him and to love him and to go as far as rob his feet when he comes home. and you still would not have paid your due on him...EVEN IF YOU WORK 8 HOURS A DAY as he does....you still obey him and HE HAVE A HIGHER DECREE THAN you and remember your paradise or hellfire is through him and YOU HAVE TO BED HIM WHEN ASKS FOR IT AND you better not make him feel like he is raping you either....and if he find your education and company emasculating to him and he asks to stop working so he feel he have better education and job than you...guess what...OBEY HIM. Make him feel like a man. DON'T GO SHOUTING, "A man cannot handle a strong women. Why are men intimidated by a strong and intelligent women?" by all means she have to know when he is hurt or feel like trash by your words or actions then the angels will curse you... The hoor Al-ein will curse you. And when you die and are resurrected the 1st thing Allah will ask you...how you treated your husband (right after he asks you for your prayer,etc) and if you fell short and you come out abusing him...jahanam you go! If you feel strong..independent women..all powerful..all superior over your husband to jump to hellfire...by all means I am not going to stop you, jump.

The only problem I see with that are that women who have higher degree in education will look down on the men and will find men with less IQ, education or wealth inferior to her superior qualities and those are the women you men do not want to marry anyways...so women getting education and getting jobs and raising in economy and feel superior over you is a test on them more than a test on you. If you men know your right truly...this feminism and this women empowering is all a test on women and not on you. How will she treat her husband when she is better than him in all qualities up to health? How men will treat each other when they find women are superior over them in all qualities up to health?

Who here will pass this exam with A+ or come out F-?

[CuriousonTruth]

as you can see, @CuriousonTruth is ignoring you. Good job. It means youre right. Also, I wouldn't just divorce such a man, I would have my brother, father, uncle, cousin, or son kill such a man. EDIT: Curiousontruth isn't ignoring you nevermind. he responded. but yes, @CuriousonTruth you clearly lack compassion for women. murder is worse than "more women in school than men" which has economic factors to account for.

Excuse me but a part of my country is being destroyed and a part of society is in total collapse and you are talking about "compassion for women."

Yes sidelining men is a completely destructive policy, it will completely destroy the country. There is no society in the world led by women that achieved anything. All successful societies are patriarchal.

At this rate even a secular country like Turkey will be better than the jahiliya my country is moving towards. Atleast Erdogan is there to protect men's interest there.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you CuriousonTruth;

Excuse me but a part of my country is being destroyed and a part of society is in total collapse and you are talking about "compassion for women."

Women are only fifty percent of the problem, men are the other fifty percent. There are many problems in marriage, our friend ardianto, has shown how to put Allah first in both good times and bad, in order to make his marriage work. We shared in ardianto's grief on this forum as his wife slowly passed away from cancer.
Finding solutions is so much more important than just highlighting the problems. It takes one person to be a part of the problem; but it takes two people to be a part of the solution; but only by putting Allah first.

Blessings
Eric

[The Prince]

I would praise Bangladesh for increasing the number of girls in primary schools. Too often in Bangladesh/India/Pakistan girls are denied a basic education in favour for the boys. This is a basic islamic right for both genders.

The problem is that divorce rates have doubled. That means marriage isnt taken seriously any longer and if there are children involved, they grow up in broken household structures without both parents.

I think the social stigma of a divorcee is fading in Bangladesh. Thats why women are less hesitant to go ahead with divorce.

[The Prince]

I would praise Bangladesh for increasing the number of girls in primary schools. Too often in Bangladesh/India/Pakistan girls are denied a basic education in favour for the boys. This is a basic islamic right for both genders.

The problem is that divorce rates have doubled. That means marriage isnt taken seriously any longer and if there are children involved, they grow up in broken household structures without both parents.

I think the social stigma of a divorcee is fading in Bangladesh. Thats why women are less hesitant to go ahead with divorce.

[SintoDinto]

Excuse me but a part of my country is being destroyed and a part of society is in total collapse and you are talking about "compassion for women."

Yes sidelining men is a completely destructive policy, it will completely destroy the country. There is no society in the world led by women that achieved anything. All successful societies are patriarchal.

At this rate even a secular country like Turkey will be better than the jahiliya my country is moving towards. Atleast Erdogan is there to protect men's interest there.

turkey is no better, they are a dictatorship. over 700 hundred babies and children under the age of 6 are in prison. they had to put a 4 year old in prison on antidepressants. there are over 17000 women in prison, and hundreds of jounralists, more journalists in prison than any other country. they are firing people from their jobs every day, and seizing companies every day over alleged coup links or alleged links to the pkk. they are also arresting people en masse, and even tortured a teacher to death, and tortured many other people to death, and even tortured people to confess under duress, all of this after a failed military coup which erdogan called a "gift from God" and binali yildirim called a "project he did not like" in my masjid, there are many turks who fled turkey and erdogan and hate his guts. i know many turkish refugees. i am even unable to return to turkey simply because my father is a critic of the government and i would be arrested as blackmail. dont give me your garbage fanboy nonsense about erdogan. erdogan is a tyrant.

[The Prince]

turkey is no better, they are a dictatorship. over 700 hundred babies and children under the age of 6 are in prison. they had to put a 4 year old in prison on antidepressants. there are over 17000 women in prison, and hundreds of jounralists, more journalists in prison than any other country. they are firing people from their jobs every day, and seizing companies every day over alleged coup links or alleged links to the pkk. they are also arresting people en masse, and even tortured a teacher to death, and tortured many other people to death, and even tortured people to confess under duress, all of this after a failed military coup which erdogan called a "gift from God" and binali yildirim called a "project he did not like" in my masjid, there are many turks who fled turkey and erdogan and hate his guts. i know many turkish refugees. i am even unable to return to turkey simply because my father is a critic of the government and i would be arrested as blackmail. dont give me your garbage fanboy nonsense about erdogan. erdogan is a tyrant.

Wow. I was thinking of emigrating to Turkey after I qualify from my course. Maybe I shouldnt.

Why are children in prison? Is it because the parents are? Cant they live with other family members?

[CuriousonTruth]

Wow. I was thinking of emigrating to Turkey after I qualify from my course. Maybe I shouldnt.

Why are children in prison? Is it because the parents are? Cant they live with other family members?

He is a Gulenist and therefore a sworn enemy of Erdogan and the ruling party. I would not take his opinion on Turkey seriously.


It's good knowing that despite rabid secularism, the old patriarchal structure is still there.

[SintoDinto]

Wow. I was thinking of emigrating to Turkey after I qualify from my course. Maybe I shouldnt.

Why are children in prison? Is it because the parents are? Cant they live with other family members?

Erdogan is doing a massive purge of dissidents (namely gulenists and pro-HDP (a political party) Kurds, liberals, leftists intellectuals, critic intellectuals, critics of government corruption, other another jamaat known as furkan vakfi just because the leader insulted erdogan for his crackdown and criticized him saying erdogan should change the name of his party from AKP (adalet ve kalkinma partisi (justice and development party) to zkp (zulumle kalkinma partisi), (ioppression and development party) etc.) children are in prison likely to punish the parents. there is massive crackdown on freedom of speech, voter fraud, crackdown on civil society groups, firing en masse of qualified workers, theft by government, hiring of mafia groups into government (no joke, they even openly said they would arm up before the elections were over) the courts are ruled by erdogan and not independent, people (critics and gulenists) randomly ge tkindapped inside and outside turkey all over the world and sent to prison to be tortured to confess under duress as a "secret witness"

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He is a Gulenist and therefore a sworn enemy of Erdogan and the ruling party. I would not take his opinion on Turkey seriously.


It's good knowing that despite rabid secularism, the old patriarchal structure is still there.

here's a pro govt paper if you dont believe me: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/197...-turkey-122057

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He is a Gulenist and therefore a sworn enemy of Erdogan and the ruling party. I would not take his opinion on Turkey seriously.


It's good knowing that despite rabid secularism, the old patriarchal structure is still there.

and look at these too: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/junaid...rs_a_23303253/ https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundre...coup-crackdown https://www.vocaleurope.eu/children-in-turkeys-prisons/

[CuriousonTruth]

I would praise Bangladesh for increasing the number of girls in primary schools. Too often in Bangladesh/India/Pakistan girls are denied a basic education in favour for the boys. This is a basic islamic right for both genders.

The problem is that divorce rates have doubled. That means marriage isnt taken seriously any longer and if there are children involved, they grow up in broken household structures without both parents.

I think the social stigma of a divorcee is fading in Bangladesh. Thats why women are less hesitant to go ahead with divorce.

And it was a good system, as I said if the Taliban comes to Bangladesh, I'd help them. Bangladesh is becoming a secular, liberal s**thole, that is nothing to be happy. Bangladesh is becoming like the West, just with the slums, dirt, etc.

What is more though, in Bengali culture, masculinity is not as important as White culture/Afghan culture/Turkish culture. So if feminism can't be stopped right now, it will completely destroy the society, leaving the males emasculated. I'm not sure, if it can ever be reversed.

Only silver lining I see in this is the damage will be mainly on secular families.

[SintoDinto]

He is a Gulenist and therefore a sworn enemy of Erdogan and the ruling party. I would not take his opinion on Turkey seriously.


It's good knowing that despite rabid secularism, the old patriarchal structure is still there.

oh, really? is that why erdogan's approval rating is below 34 percent and dropping fast? and many akp voters approve of erdogan's job performance? and akp polls are at 35 percent, and need help of ultranationalist fascist MHP? and the akp is headed for a split as ahmet davutoglu forms a party together with the old akp cadres? erdogan is finished together with the turkish economy he destroyed with his corruption.

[CuriousonTruth]

Erdogan is doing a massive purge of dissidents (namely gulenists and pro-HDP (a political party) Kurds, liberals, leftists intellectuals, critic intellectuals, critics of government corruption, other another jamaat known as furkan vakfi just because the leader insulted erdogan for his crackdown and criticized him saying erdogan should change the name of his party from AKP (adalet ve kalkinma partisi (justice and development party) to zkp (zulumle kalkinma partisi), (ioppression and development party) etc.) children are in prison likely to punish the parents. there is massive crackdown on freedom of speech, voter fraud, crackdown on civil society groups, firing en masse of qualified workers, theft by government, hiring of mafia groups into government (no joke, they even openly said they would arm up before the elections were over) the courts are ruled by erdogan and not independent, people (critics and gulenists) randomly ge tkindapped inside and outside turkey all over the world and sent to prison to be tortured to confess under duress as a "secret witness"

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here's a pro govt paper if you dont believe me: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/197...-turkey-122057

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and look at these too: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/junaid...rs_a_23303253/ https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundre...coup-crackdown https://www.vocaleurope.eu/children-in-turkeys-prisons/

Dude seriously. Hurriyet Daily is a CHP site and and old one as well. It represents CHP elites' view like Yenisafak or Yeni Akit for AKP.

And quoting Huffpost, Fox? Take a break, for your health's sake.

[SintoDinto]

Dude seriously. Hurriyet Daily is a CHP site and and old one as well. It represents CHP elites' view like Yenisafak or Yeni Akit for AKP.

And quoting Huffpost, Fox? Take a break, for your health's sake.

so youre going to disregard evidence in cognitive dissonance AND vocaleurope.eu just because youre a fanboy of khawarij taleban and terrorist funding dictator erdogan?

[CuriousonTruth]

oh, really? is that why erdogan's approval rating is below 34 percent and dropping fast? and even less than 3/4 of akp voters approve of erdogan's job performance? and the akp is headed for a split as ahmet davutoglu forms a party together with the old akp cadres? erdogan is finished together with the turkish economy he destroyed with his corruption.

You guys have been saying this since 2009. Back in the last election, I was following Kemalists on Facebook and they were so enthusiastic that Ince and Meral will finally win, and they still got battered.

There is no one in Turkey or Europe, who can defeat Erdogan in an election. Unless CHP uses necromancy to reincarnate Mustafa Kemal from hell, they will never come to power again.

Also this isn't about Turkey, it's about Bangladesh. Don't post anything more about Turkey please.

[Futuwwa]

No matter how success your wife in career, no matter how high her income, no matter how independent she is ……. Your wife will never ask divorce if she always loves you. And your wife will love you if you could build yourself to be a man who worth to be loved by a woman.

If only it were that simple.

I have my character flaws, but am I unlovable? It seems like I will be divorced. My wife has a sickness of the soul that makes her find fault and annoyance in everything I do, in my very essence. She hates that part of herself, and she hates what my presence does to her. I know she has tried very hard to fight it and suppress her negative feelings, hard enough that we have both been left broken and miserable by it. She has tried her hardest and failed, thus I cannot fault her. There is a reason why divorce is the worst of all things that are permitted, yet is permitted.

[Supernova]

When we as Muslims forget our primary purpose in life, which is to worship Allah [SWT] - then every other institution that we put our fingers in, will be tarnished and suffer.

Not only marriages suffer but many other things too like business dealings, social life, family life Etc.

Parable:
Many soft drinks today main ingredient is water, and then goes the other ingredients that give it taste and flavour.

No matter how much a company might invest in the research of the taste and flavour ingredients, If the water is dirty and impure, then no matter what flavouring you add, it will not taste good.

[The Prince]

And it was a good system, as I said if the Taliban comes to Bangladesh, I'd help them. Bangladesh is becoming a secular, liberal s**thole, that is nothing to be happy. Bangladesh is becoming like the West, just with the slums, dirt, etc.

What is more though, in Bengali culture, masculinity is not as important as White culture/Afghan culture/Turkish culture. So if feminism can't be stopped right now, it will completely destroy the society, leaving the males emasculated. I'm not sure, if it can ever be reversed.

Only silver lining I see in this is the damage will be mainly on secular families.

You think the social stigma attached to divorcees was/is a good system? Really??? Is that an islamic teaching?

Islamically women are allowed to work arent they? I know if my mum went to hospital, Id like her to be seen by a lady doctor. Not a male doctor. And for that reason, in a medical service role, Id encourage my daughter to get a good education and a good job.

Unfortunately alot of countries are becoming like the west and getting distant from Islam. Not just Bangladesh. That doesnt make it ok. Im just saying that the global village is going in that direction. In other words, the world is getting ready for dajjal.

[anatolian]

If only it were that simple.

I have my character flaws, but am I unlovable? It seems like I will be divorced. My wife has a sickness of the soul that makes her find fault and annoyance in everything I do, in my very essence. She hates that part of herself, and she hates what my presence does to her. I know she has tried very hard to fight it and suppress her negative feelings, hard enough that we have both been left broken and miserable by it. She has tried her hardest and failed, thus I cannot fault her. There is a reason why divorce is the worst of all things that are permitted, yet is permitted.

Salam bro. She might be suffering from a kind of superiority complex. You must make her understand that Islamically you are the head of the family and she is not in a position to judge you in a way as if she is the ruler. But ofcourse you must ensure that you are performing your responsibilities meanwhile.

[CuriousonTruth]

You think the social stigma attached to divorcees was/is a good system? Really??? Is that an islamic teaching?

Islamically women are allowed to work arent they? I know if my mum went to hospital, Id like her to be seen by a lady doctor. Not a male doctor. And for that reason, in a medical service role, Id encourage my daughter to get a good education and a good job.

Unfortunately alot of countries are becoming like the west and getting distant from Islam. Not just Bangladesh. That doesnt make it ok. Im just saying that the global village is going in that direction. In other words, the world is getting ready for dajjal.

Yes I do. Atleast then women would think 10 times before divorcing. Marriage is not a video game, that you can quit and reload. There has to be checks and balance. From what I see, women are abusing their ability to divorce. I can also guarantee you none of these women would accept Islamic inheritance laws, keep that in mind.

A lot of women are completely immature with mentality of 15 year olds. And constantly exercise their ego. Just because they have an MA or MSc doesn't give them license to act like an egotistical maniac.

You would be comfortable with that, not most people. Lack of parental care because of both parents working is raising a generation of porn addict, drug abusing teens in biking gangs and other stuff without their parents having slightest clue before it is too late. At best I would accept part-time working women, defo not full time.

Not sure if it's dajjal or not, this is the first time muslim world is in such a crisis, so instead of working for solutions, some muslims just blame it on Dajjal.

[xboxisdead]

Yes I do. Atleast then women would think 10 times before divorcing. Marriage is not a video game, that you can quit and reload. There has to be checks and balance. From what I see, women are abusing their ability to divorce. I can also guarantee you none of these women would accept Islamic inheritance laws, keep that in mind.

A lot of women are completely immature with mentality of 15 year olds. And constantly exercise their ego. Just because they have an MA or MSc doesn't give them license to act like an egotistical maniac.

You would be comfortable with that, not most people. Lack of parental care because of both parents working is raising a generation of porn addict, drug abusing teens in biking gangs and other stuff without their parents having slightest clue before it is too late. At best I would accept part-time working women, defo not full time.

Not sure if it's dajjal or not, this is the first time muslim world is in such a crisis, so instead of working for solutions, some muslims just blame it on Dajjal.

I am kinda of confused though....isn't in Islam it is the man who divorces and not the women? So what you are saying the law now decreed that women are equal to men and that women have right to divorce just as men? So....who are people are worshiping exactly? Allah or his creation? I need to know. Any woman who worship anyone but Allah and follow man-made law then they can go ahead and do it...I am not going to lose sleep really. Wallah if 99% of women on Earth will go to hellfire because they are disbelievers and associate partners with Allah...I am not going to lose sleep or lose a wink of sleep either. I will enjoy their benefits to what they bring in this world and take advantage of them in this world...as far as I am concerned they are like animals or worker bees...you get to enjoy their benefits and throw them out when you are done. That is what non-Muslim women to me is really.

Would I care if they are in the street...naked or abused or begging for money...not would only would I not care...I would avoid them as if I will be infected from them from a disease.

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? You ask? Simple..you would DO EXACTLY THAT TO A NON-MUSLIM MAN...how many out there will go out of their way and help a homeless non-Muslim man when he smell..he have long beard...he pee out in the street...he smell of rum and he may look like a creep to you? Would you do it? The answer is no. Non-Muslim women IS AND EQUAL to non-Muslim men...and they are one and the same.

Going back to here....my knowledge it is Muslim men who have power for divorce and not Muslim women...so even if she leave the fold of Islam and worship man-made law and obey man-made law over Allah's law....well at that point....it makes no difference now does it...she is not his wife by default and the children should belong to the husband by default and he have full custody of the children by default.....but for argument sake....he is still married to her and they are not divorced. So those 80% women who initiated divorce over their husband...they are still married to him and if she goes out there and deny him access to his house...she is cursed and if she leaves without his permission she is cursed...and if she have relationship with other men she is committing zina and that child she get pregnant from..belongs to the husband (original one..that she divorced). I am surprised no one is looking at from that point of view!

The question is...how many women or men on Earth are actually Muslim....

[AbdurRahman.]

I am kinda of confused though....isn't in Islam it is the man who divorces and not the women? So what you are saying the law now decreed that women are equal to men and that women have right to divorce just as men? So....who are people are worshiping exactly? Allah or his creation? I need to know. Any woman who worship anyone but Allah and follow man-made law then they can go ahead and do it...I am not going to lose sleep really. Wallah if 99% of women on Earth will go to hellfire because they are disbelievers and associate partners with Allah...I am not going to lose sleep or lose a wink of sleep either. I will enjoy their benefits to what they bring in this world and take advantage of them in this world...as far as I am concerned they are like animals or worker bees...you get to enjoy their benefits and throw them out when you are done. That is what non-Muslim women to me is really.

Would I care if they are in the street...naked or abused or begging for money...not would only would I not care...I would avoid them as if I will be infected from them from a disease.

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? You ask? Simple..you would DO EXACTLY THAT TO A NON-MUSLIM MAN...how many out there will go out of their way and help a homeless non-Muslim man when he smell..he have long beard...he pee out in the street...he smell of rum and he may look like a creep to you? Would you do it? The answer is no. Non-Muslim women IS AND EQUAL to non-Muslim men...and they are one and the same.

Going back to here....my knowledge it is Muslim men who have power for divorce and not Muslim women...so even if she leave the fold of Islam and worship man-made law and obey man-made law over Allah's law....well at that point....it makes no difference now does it...she is not his wife by default and the children should belong to the husband by default and he have full custody of the children by default.....but for argument sake....he is still married to her and they are not divorced. So those 80% women who initiated divorce over their husband...they are still married to him and if she goes out there and deny him access to his house...she is cursed and if she leaves without his permission she is cursed...and if she have relationship with other men she is committing zina and that child she get pregnant from..belongs to the husband (original one..that she divorced). I am surprised no one is looking at from that point of view!

The question is...how many women or men on Earth are actually Muslim....

Ooh bruv I'd be careful of takfir if i was you. Didn't it occur to you that these women might be requesting divorce via sharia courts which is lawful in Islam?

Basically, if the man doesn't divorce the woman on the woman's request, she can consult a council of Ulema who after checking that she has grounds for divorce, can announce the divorce for her.

[xboxisdead]

Ooh bruv I'd be careful of takfir if i was you. Didn't it occur to you that these women might be requesting divorce via sharia courts which is lawful in Islam?

Basically, if the man doesn't divorce the woman on the woman's request, she can consult a council of Ulema who after checking that she has grounds for divorce, can announce the divorce for her.

I know about khula part. yes. I am talking about obeying man's law and believing on them over Allah's law because they found favor of one over the other where my takfir comes in. This applies for anyone of the sexes. Sovereignty belongs only to Allah and to no one else. Women can declare khula. My understanding her Khula should have valid reason..not that she is bored. if bored is a valid reason for divorce or because she is tired of him...then skip marriage all together and let us all party together like animals. Because I assure you..it benefits men more than women to not get married and go from women to women to women. At least he get to pick the next best beautiful..young and not deal with a wife that is fat or turn ugly and s he is mean to her husband. We all know if a man is to do he is of a bad person...but a woman have the right to divorce her husband and break family because she is bored? Why even have marriage then?

If marriage is so frail that anyone can break up because of self interest then do not get married anymore and just live like animals...we can do that also.

As a man he can spread his gene more by going from one to women to women to women....without having to be confined to marriageable institution. Don't you think?

[Futuwwa]

Salam bro. She might be suffering from a kind of superiority complex. You must make her understand that Islamically you are the head of the family and she is not in a position to judge you in a way as if she is the ruler. But ofcourse you must ensure that you are performing your responsibilities meanwhile.

Bro, don't speculate on insufficient information. If I were of less sound judgment, I might actually think you are onto something, and nothing good would follow from that. She knows very well that she should not do what she is doing. She has tried to be a good wife so hard that it has broken her. She believes herself to be incapable of marriage, and I'm starting to believe her. Ever since she told me she thinks it would be best if we divorced, she has consistently acted with the well-being of everyone in the family in mind.

[CuriousonTruth]

Ooh bruv I'd be careful of takfir if i was you. Didn't it occur to you that these women might be requesting divorce via sharia courts which is lawful in Islam?

Basically, if the man doesn't divorce the woman on the woman's request, she can consult a council of Ulema who after checking that she has grounds for divorce, can announce the divorce for her.

Sharia court? Is there Sharia court in Bangladesh, even I don't know.

And anyway, no they divorce through secular court. If these women gave as much a damn about formality, the divorce rate, I say would have been lower.

Here's the funny part though: when it comes to demanding extortionate Mahr, they bring their rent-a-mullahs in. Btw, while we are in topic, a recent national news happened in which a woman was found by her husband to have cheated on him for multiple men (ex-boyfriends I think). And this man had paid around 30,000 pounds in Mahr. Way to get absolutely screwed over.

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I am kinda of confused though....isn't in Islam it is the man who divorces and not the women? So what you are saying the law now decreed that women are equal to men and that women have right to divorce just as men? So....who are people are worshiping exactly? Allah or his creation? I need to know. Any woman who worship anyone but Allah and follow man-made law then they can go ahead and do it...I am not going to lose sleep really. Wallah if 99% of women on Earth will go to hellfire because they are disbelievers and associate partners with Allah...I am not going to lose sleep or lose a wink of sleep either. I will enjoy their benefits to what they bring in this world and take advantage of them in this world...as far as I am concerned they are like animals or worker bees...you get to enjoy their benefits and throw them out when you are done. That is what non-Muslim women to me is really.

Would I care if they are in the street...naked or abused or begging for money...not would only would I not care...I would avoid them as if I will be infected from them from a disease.

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? You ask? Simple..you would DO EXACTLY THAT TO A NON-MUSLIM MAN...how many out there will go out of their way and help a homeless non-Muslim man when he smell..he have long beard...he pee out in the street...he smell of rum and he may look like a creep to you? Would you do it? The answer is no. Non-Muslim women IS AND EQUAL to non-Muslim men...and they are one and the same.

Going back to here....my knowledge it is Muslim men who have power for divorce and not Muslim women...so even if she leave the fold of Islam and worship man-made law and obey man-made law over Allah's law....well at that point....it makes no difference now does it...she is not his wife by default and the children should belong to the husband by default and he have full custody of the children by default.....but for argument sake....he is still married to her and they are not divorced. So those 80% women who initiated divorce over their husband...they are still married to him and if she goes out there and deny him access to his house...she is cursed and if she leaves without his permission she is cursed...and if she have relationship with other men she is committing zina and that child she get pregnant from..belongs to the husband (original one..that she divorced). I am surprised no one is looking at from that point of view!

The question is...how many women or men on Earth are actually Muslim....

From what I know Islam does permit divorce. But that's not the point, there's a lot of conditions that go with it. It was never meant to be a kid's game.

Technically denying the Inheritance law is tantamount to disbelief but they excuse themselves by saying there is no sharia state and that the state is secular.

But in that case why should men have to pay Mahr if we are in a secular state. The government should put a total and complete ban on Mahr like they did with dowry.

[anatolian]

Bro, don't speculate on insufficient information. If I were of less sound judgment, I might actually think you are onto something, and nothing good would follow from that. She knows very well that she should not do what she is doing. She has tried to be a good wife so hard that it has broken her. She believes herself to be incapable of marriage, and I'm starting to believe her. Ever since she told me she thinks it would be best if we divorced, she has consistently acted with the well-being of everyone in the family in mind.

OK. Excuse me if I went too far. Actually your case sounded so similiar to my brother’s and one of my cousins’ cases where their wives just thought that they were the boss. They were criticizing their husbands frequently and were thinking that they could control them. Both marriages endded up with divorce. But in their cases it was the husbands who wanted the divorce because they could not stand it any more.

If its a psychological thing and she is well aware of that I still want to suggest you to take a professional help as a last chance before the inevitable end if you havent done yet. You know there are marriage pyschologists. They even suggest divorce if they understand that nothing can be done. Inshallah everything becomes good for you

[CuriousonTruth]

You think the social stigma attached to divorcees was/is a good system? Really??? Is that an islamic teaching?

Islamically women are allowed to work arent they? I know if my mum went to hospital, Id like her to be seen by a lady doctor. Not a male doctor. And for that reason, in a medical service role, Id encourage my daughter to get a good education and a good job.

Unfortunately alot of countries are becoming like the west and getting distant from Islam. Not just Bangladesh. That doesnt make it ok. Im just saying that the global village is going in that direction. In other words, the world is getting ready for dajjal.

Lack of parental care because of both parents working is raising a generation of porn addict, drug abusing teens in biking gangs and other stuff without their parents having slightest clue before it is too late.

Just to drive home the point: https://web.facebook.com/born.to.be....1-ku3M&fref=nf

Watch the Video, it's from International Model United Nations(IMUN) in Bangladesh.

If you don't have facebook, let me describe it. Basically guardians are not allowed after 6 PM and that's when all the bad stuff happens.

The girls are doing lapdance on other guys with all the other students(including your precious hijabis) cheering on recording it on their phones.

To anyone reading this, please take care of your children.

[xboxisdead]

Sharia court? Is there Sharia court in Bangladesh, even I don't know.

And anyway, no they divorce through secular court. If these women gave as much a damn about formality, the divorce rate, I say would have been lower.

Here's the funny part though: when it comes to demanding extortionate Mahr, they bring their rent-a-mullahs in. Btw, while we are in topic, a recent national news happened in which a woman was found by her husband to have cheated on him for multiple men (ex-boyfriends I think). And this man had paid around 30,000 pounds in Mahr. Way to get absolutely screwed over.

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From what I know Islam does permit divorce. But that's not the point, there's a lot of conditions that go with it. It was never meant to be a kid's game.

Technically denying the Inheritance law is tantamount to disbelief but they excuse themselves by saying there is no sharia state and that the state is secular.

But in that case why should men have to pay Mahr if we are in a secular state. The government should put a total and complete ban on Mahr like they did with dowry.

That is called Khula and that is given to women for in an extreme cases where she may get oppressed and it is given to her for a very legit excuse or reason. It is not given to her because it give her equal power to her husband and thus women and men are allowed to divorce each other. Otherwise the whole concept of the husband is the one who initiate a divorce and not the woman is a joke.....a false.....a facade and that is not the case. Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) have given the husband the authority to divorce and not the wife but have given the wife an escape door (a behind door) where the wife can go to the court...and place her case to the judge that her husband whom she is living with is oppression her and going against Allah 100%! Then the court study the case and filter out any false allegations after professional study and research and investigation on the matter then they give her the divorce and she divorces her husband. But with khula SHE MUST RETURN BACK ALL THE MONEY OR GIFT her HUSBAND have given her...THAT IS THE KUHLA.

NOT THAT THE WIFE BLUNTLY SAYS IN FRONT OF HER HUSBAND'S FACE, "I DIVORCE YOU" and the divorce takes place and then she takes 100% of his wealth, his home, kick him out of the house...and then take the children and cut ties between father and children/child and cause parental alienation and put the husband into suicide mode....THAT IS NOT ISLAM. ISLAM DOES NOT PERMIT EMASCULATION, DOES NOT PERMIT HUMILIATION...DOES NOT PERMIT OPPRESSION...DOES NOT PERMIT GIVING WOMEN ABSOLUTE POWER or say Allah favors one gender over other and throw the other gender into the trash just because it is a form of punishment born in that gender. THAT IS NOT ISLAM.

THAT IS MAN MADE LAW YES...but not Islam. I am expecting next a new law that says girls inherit 100% of all the wealth..boys inherit nothing AND THE REASON BEEN AND THEIR EXCUSE WILL BE..BECAUSE GIRLS ARE THE WEAKER SEX AND SHE NEED IT AND BOYS CAN HANDLE THEMSELVES. Will let me tell you something buster out there....IT IS BOYS WHO ARE THE WEAKER SEX AND I HAVE BIOLOGY TO BACK MY CASE UP! So now what are you going to do? Huh! Now what are you going to do?

[SintoDinto]

dang I didn't know it was that bad @CuriousonTruth can't we at least call for a middle ground?

[CuriousonTruth]

dang I didn't know it was that bad @CuriousonTruth can't we at least call for a middle ground?

Middle ground on what. Children need a proper mother to raise them, not a trendy miss world wannabe, constantly taking selfies everytime they breathe oxygen acting like 15 yo even when they are 30+.

This culture needs to stop here and now.

[ardianto]

If only it were that simple.

I have my character flaws, but am I unlovable? It seems like I will be divorced. My wife has a sickness of the soul that makes her find fault and annoyance in everything I do, in my very essence. She hates that part of herself, and she hates what my presence does to her. I know she has tried very hard to fight it and suppress her negative feelings, hard enough that we have both been left broken and miserable by it. She has tried her hardest and failed, thus I cannot fault her. There is a reason why divorce is the worst of all things that are permitted, yet is permitted.

Rather than think to divorce your wife, why don't you try to understand her?. Understand a woman actually is not difficult, as long as you try to understand her by your heart. Throw away all prejudices toward her from your mind, and try to put yourself in her shoes. Imagine if you were her, what would you feel?.

[AbdurRahman.]

Sharia court? Is there Sharia court in Bangladesh, even I don't know.

And anyway, no they divorce through secular court. If these women gave as much a damn about formality, the divorce rate, I say would have been lower.

Here's the funny part though: when it comes to demanding extortionate Mahr, they bring their rent-a-mullahs in. Btw, while we are in topic, a recent national news happened in which a woman was found by her husband to have cheated on him for multiple men (ex-boyfriends I think). And this man had paid around 30,000 pounds in Mahr. Way to get absolutely screwed over.

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From what I know Islam does permit divorce. But that's not the point, there's a lot of conditions that go with it. It was never meant to be a kid's game.

Technically denying the Inheritance law is tantamount to disbelief but they excuse themselves by saying there is no sharia state and that the state is secular.

But in that case why should men have to pay Mahr if we are in a secular state. The government should put a total and complete ban on Mahr like they did with dowry.

The secular courts double up as sharia courts too as the judges will ensure certain Islamic requirements are met, such as obtaining vocal divorce from husbands

Also, the way it will usually work in such a country/culture is that... The woman leaves.. families arbitrate and the divorce would be finalised by obtaining the vocal divorce from husband

[xboxisdead]

The secular courts double up as sharia courts too as the judges will ensure certain Islamic requirements are met, such as obtaining vocal divorce from husbands

Also, the way it will usually work in such a country/culture is that... The woman leaves.. families arbitrate and the divorce would be finalised by obtaining the vocal divorce from husband

Let us be honest....the way the world work now we have made full mockery of Allah's law...taken his law and stepped on it...that is what we have done..and in additional removed any authoritative and rights of husbands that Allah have given them which further confirms my believe that when it comes to men's right even if it comes from Allah we refuse to believe in it and object on it but when it comes to women right we submit and happy with it. This is the perverted..double standard....and willing to go to Jahnam just because Allah created male which is different than female and have given him different rights is why I don't mind if a giant ball from the sky was to fall in our head and wipe us all. You have problem with Allah creating the male sex..please go to him and object. I doubt you will go that far.


I AM THANKFUL I am not married. I am thankful I do not have children.

[Futuwwa]

Rather than think to divorce your wife, why don't you try to understand her?. Understand a woman actually is not difficult, as long as you try to understand her by your heart. Throw away all prejudices toward her from your mind, and try to put yourself in her shoes. Imagine if you were her, what would you feel?.

Why do you assume I have not tried to understand her? Why do you assume I am the one divorcing her? Also, most fundamentally, who do you assume that what works for you in your marriage would work for every married man? I could answer you, but I feel like I am wasting my time if you expect the discussion to be based on premises that I don't recognize as true in the first place.

[Abz2000]

Falsehood and deception buildsl barriers, and barriers are often symptoms of caution or straightforward mistrust, once trust in what a person says is lost there are constant alarm bells and continual evaluation of words which are difficult to take at face value, the strong bond weakens, and if the situation continues to deteriorate - uncertainty, frustration, and a will to break free of the negative cycle ensues, and divorce is usually the best option if positive strides cannot be made.

I believe that the divorce problem stems from the secularist tv attitude which (on behalf of the usury system which pushes abortion, condoms, and birth control pills at children whilst beautifying fornication and adultery) portrays each individual as a single unit government asset (which tends to keep market consumption, production, and money circulation high) - and not as part of a family unit answerable or accountable to each other. Once family unity and support is broken, taxability and policing become easy - especially given the constantly increasing government debts which are basically T.O.Us (they owe yous) payable by future generations.

There is a plan of shaytaan working against humanity in the background, and there are prominent bankers, politicians, and business tycoons who bow to and directively serve shaytaan after having sold their souls and aakhirah for luxury in dunya, and their plans work in tandem.
Some of the vile and nasty sacrifices they carry out to seal their soul selling pacts and to keep them running (eg. the child burning ritual at bohemian grove and the multiple babylonian voodoo rituals (dolls are just for show) with hebrew chants at the church of satan are an indication of how bad it could be getting.

Henry kissinger's population control national memorandum 200, it's official sealing the following year, and its forced implementation the year after in india and surrounding countries by the "new and independent" governments of indira and sanjay gandhi (of the freemasonic nehru gandh east india company front family) are other indicators of where this usury system is heading.

Families encourage children, and in turn encourage growing together under mutual UNDERSTANDING. Population, and mutual understanding in absence of secular government control are black and grey areas for usurers.... there is a pattern indicating a conspiracy and plan, rolling eyes or casually letting it fly is for morons are not solutions.
Let us wake up.

[CuriousonTruth]

I am also bored of that male dominated view of modern family issues. Men are responsible of the divorces as much as women. Stop blaming "the other" each time and try to see our own faults. Here in Turkey the wife murders by husbands skyrocketed also. These psychopats kill their wives when they try to divorce. Would you not divorce a man with such a mentality?

I assume you've heard of the fact that feminists in Taksim were protesting against Azan on international crazy feminist day?

[anatolian]

Yes I heard it. Its disrespectful ofcourse but its their mistake. Still millions of women are abused by men all across the globe. You cannot connect the faults of some people with the legitimacy of a worldwide abuse.

Also I think there might be a political motive behind that. Erdoğan insisted to build that new Mosque in Taksim from which the azan comes despite people opposed it as the locals thought there was no need for a new Mosque in taksim. So their protest was against Erdoğan and his oppresive politics for the women as general more than the azan’s itself, I am guessing.

[CuriousonTruth]

Yes I heard it. Its disrespectful ofcourse but its their mistake. Still millions of women are abused by men all across the globe. You cannot connect the faults of some people with the legitimacy of a worldwide abuse.

Also I think there might be a political motive behind that. Erdoğan insisted to build that new Mosque in Taksim from which the azan comes despite people opposed it as the locals thought there was no need for a new Mosque in taksim. So their protest was against Erdoğan and his oppresive politics for the women as general more than the azan’s itself, I am guessing.

I have seen a few selection of tweets were feminist/lgbt types said they were protesting against the Azan. And I saw the video myself, it sounded like they got louder during the Azan. Also what oppressive policy? His bill against abortion or telling feminists to stop bringing illegitimate children?

On the otherhand, I am thankful. Next time, I see some fool talking about "islamic" feminism, I'll just show them the video. Everything has a silver lining.

[anatolian]

I have seen a few selection of tweets were feminist/lgbt types said they were protesting against the Azan. And I saw the video myself, it sounded like they got louder during the Azan. Also what oppressive policy? His bill against abortion or telling feminists to stop bringing illegitimate children?

On the otherhand, I am thankful. Next time, I see some fool talking about "islamic" feminism, I'll just show them the video. Everything has a silver lining.

What are you trying to say? I am lost at the moment bro..

[AbdurRahman.]

Let us be honest....the way the world work now we have made full mockery of Allah's law...taken his law and stepped on it...that is what we have done..and in additional removed any authoritative and rights of husbands that Allah have given them which further confirms my believe that when it comes to men's right even if it comes from Allah we refuse to believe in it and object on it but when it comes to women right we submit and happy with it. This is the perverted..double standard....and willing to go to Jahnam just because Allah created male which is different than female and have given him different rights is why I don't mind if a giant ball from the sky was to fall in our head and wipe us all. You have problem with Allah creating the male sex..please go to him and object. I doubt you will go that far.


I AM THANKFUL I am not married. I am thankful I do not have children.

The secular courts don't double up as sharia courts regarding all matters, but in certain basic matters such as divorce they'd adhere to sharia requirements

It's the same regarding marriage; Bangladesh doesn't run on sharia law as such , but registering a marriage requires the required sharia witnesses and wali and specification of mahr

[xboxisdead]

The secular courts don't double up as sharia courts regarding all matters, but in certain basic matters such as divorce they'd adhere to sharia requirements

It's the same regarding marriage; Bangladesh doesn't run on sharia law as such , but registering a marriage requires the required sharia witnesses and wali and specification of mahr

Let us be blunt here. Any person male or female..right at age of puberty and up to senior age who do not believe the sovereignty belongs exclusively to Allah (Subhnahu Wa Talaa) is a mushrik, a disbeliever and this dunaya is their paradise and hellfire is their afterlife abode. Anyone who says they believe sovereignty belongs to Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) but their acts goes against their believe because in their heart they prefer man-made law over Allah's law goes under the same category as the first one. That person is a mushrik, a disbeliever whether that person is male or female and whether the age of that person is at puberty age or senior age and if that person dies in that state...hellfire is their abode.

Any country who live in secular system is a mushrik. Any civilian who obey the secular court because they love it or because they agree with it or because it favors them or because they throw the excuse that they are weak and they have no place to go when in fact the Earth is big enough for you to go...or who is attached to dunaya and will not bother to discomfort their pillow and seek to live in a mountain (if they must) to protect their deen and obey the secular court is a mushrik and kafir. It is that simple. The real question is how many of us are in danger of entering hellfire and how many of us even bother to do something about it. I believe in Allah's law...I do not believe in secular country...and if I have any system dealing I will do with it in a Muslim court that obeys Allah law 100% even if I live in secular country such as Canada. I refuse to solve any matter in Canadian court...I will form a rally if I must...any situation whether is stealing or worse..murder I only deal it with it in Islamic court in Canada. Divorce issues and family issues I will only deal in Islamic court even if it is in Canada (land or location matters not). It does not matter where I live...which soil my feet step on it...what matters is I obey Allah's law 100%. THAT MEANS dress code does not change if you live in Canada or Hong Kong. I wear my hijab (protect my awar) regardless of where I live. I don't do ribaa if I can avoid it. I avoid committing Zina. Family matters done in Islamic fashion that please Allah. It is that simple.

You are saying a country that is secular and obey certain law of Allah and obeys man-made law in other matters those leaders who do this are not Muslim. They are Mushrik. Any leader will fight for his deen and demand that 100% law is applied from Qura'an and Sunnah and not man-made law. Any true 100% Muslim country will throw the idea of secular down the gutter and will only obey Allah and his messenger and apply only Allah's law.

"Bangladesh doesn't run on sharia law as such" is no different than Canada/USA. There are Muslim people there but that country is a non-Muslim country. There are Muslim and non-Muslim people living there but I refuse to believe that Bangladesh is a Muslim country. Making Bangladesh worse than Canada. At least Canada is more advanced in dunaya affairs over Bangladesh. Any country that is not Muslim country is inferior to 1st world country that is not a Muslim country. Any country becomes superior over Canada/USA only because it is a Muslim country that obeys Allah's law 100%....only then Allah will make that country shine over the rest of the Earth. It is that simple.

"The secular courts don't double up as sharia courts regarding all matters, but in certain basic matters such as divorce they'd adhere to sharia requirements" <-- Can you explain it? I am confused.

[anatolian]

I have seen a few selection of tweets were feminist/lgbt types said they were protesting against the Azan. And I saw the video myself, it sounded like they got louder during the Azan. Also what oppressive policy? His bill against abortion or telling feminists to stop bringing illegitimate children?

On the otherhand, I am thankful. Next time, I see some fool talking about "islamic" feminism, I'll just show them the video. Everything has a silver lining.

The feminist society leaders who organized the protest confirmed that the loud was to protest against the police barricade not for the Azan. The news reporter who made the first news Süleyman Özışık anounced that he falsified the readers and asked forgiveness.

I watched a few videos in YouTube and in none of them it is understood that they specifically protested the Azan. Can you share the video where they get louder with Azan?

[CuriousonTruth]

The feminist society leaders who organized the protest confirmed that the loud was to protest against the police barricade not for the Azan. The news reporter who made the first news Süleyman Özışık anounced that he falsified the readers and asked forgiveness.

I watched a few videos in YouTube and in none of them it is understood that they specifically protested the Azan. Can you share the video where they get louder with Azan?

Seems like backtracking to me, if that's true why hasn't YS taken down the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HzQo91TEUg&t=22s

From 1:12 you can hear they start loudly shouting something (no idea what though during the Azan.

[anatolian]

Seems like backtracking to me, if that's true why hasn't YS taken down the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HzQo91TEUg&t=22s

From 1:12 you can hear they start loudly shouting something (no idea what though during the Azan.

Because YS is an AKP propogandist and Erdoğan used this misleading video in his public meeting to target these groups as “Islam haters” before his supporters inorder to increase the tension between Islamists and non-Islamists in Turkey. By doing this, he expects his voters to stay firm in his path regardless of the bad status of the country. He is using these tactics frequently. He is such a disgusting man..

This video too starts with the Azan so we cannot understand if they start to loud simultanously with the Azan. It is more likely they had already started to protest but YS and others just cut the erlier part and tried to portrait it as if they were specifically protesting Azan. These are such a disgusting people..

[CuriousonTruth]

Because YS is an AKP propogandist and Erdoğan used this misleading video in his public meeting to target these groups as “Islam haters” before his supporters inorder to increase the tension between Islamists and non-Islamists in Turkey. By doing this, he expects his voters to stay firm in his path regardless of the bad status of the country. He is using these tactics frequently. He is such a disgusting man..

This video too starts with the Azan so we cannot understand if they start to loud simultanously with the Azan. It is more likely they had already started to protest but YS and others just cut the erlier part and tried to portrait it as if they were specifically protesting Azan. These are such a disgusting people..

I see. Are you secularist?

[anatolian]

I see. Are you secularist?

Could you define your understanding of secularist? Everyone's definition is different.

[Imraan]

Greetings and peace be with you CuriousonTruth;



Women are only fifty percent of the problem, men are the other fifty percent. There are many problems in marriage, our friend ardianto, has shown how to put Allah first in both good times and bad, in order to make his marriage work. We shared in ardianto's grief on this forum as his wife slowly passed away from cancer.
Finding solutions is so much more important than just highlighting the problems. It takes one person to be a part of the problem; but it takes two people to be a part of the solution; but only by putting Allah first.

Blessings
Eric

If only that were the case in my case.... subhanallah. My situation was meant to be. (Some of you probably thinking I'm still suffering the trauma). I continuously do istigfar and put all trust in Allah.

My former wife explicitly has said she is not willing to give divorce according to the social worker who came to handle the case of our child who was interviewing both parents. She has explicitly said with emphasis that she does not want to give the divorce as she does not want to give up the gold or any money. It is apparent she'd rather it ended by some other means so she can keep her booty. Whether she gets to keep it or not should be decided in sharia courts or with imam when the marriage is dissolved. That is my opinion.

I am seriously thinking about giving the divorce and letting her keep all that, although I would be criticised by family that just giving the divorce would be a bad idea especially without a discussion about who done what and without giving any thought of trying to get some justice because someone has definetely played this marriage like a game, the events and facts prove it. I know when I come to get married again the fact that I haven't got the divorce yet will go against me despite there not being any sharia law preventing me to get married again, however the preference for some people is "has the Islamic divorce taken place, if not then on yer bike". I could be faced with that dilemma here in the UK or even if I went back to Sylhet in Bangladesh?

[BayAreaWhiteMan]

The fact of the matter is women cannot be oppressed and abused without the pendulum swinging the other way. Bangladeshi men must do better

[MazharShafiq]

A woman will never ask divorce if she always loves her husband.

[Imraan]

A woman will never ask divorce if she always loves her husband.

What if she wants to keep hold of gold, dowry and wants to escape shame by diverting blame elsewhere, in some customs and cultures this is what they do!!!

[CuriousonTruth]

The fact of the matter is women cannot be oppressed and abused without the pendulum swinging the other way. Bangladeshi men must do better

Fact of the matter is you're trying to white-knight, you must do better with your time.

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A woman will never ask divorce if she always loves her husband.

Still living in the 18th century I see. World is very different today, might want to get upto speed.

[CuriousonTruth]

What if she wants to keep hold of gold, dowry and wants to escape shame by diverting blame elsewhere, in some customs and cultures this is what they do!!!

most divorces are because of they still want to keep close relations with ex-boyfriends, while the husband is some rich guy their parents got for arranged marriage, so the marriages usually crash within 1 year.

It happened in my family as well. Which makes me wonder why families spend so much money and wealth for the wedding ceremony (and related events).

[xboxisdead]

Fact of the matter is you're trying to white-knight, you must do better with your time.

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Still living in the 18th century I see. World is very different today, might want to get upto speed.

I don't think women respect white-knight anymore. I think majority of them find it offensive as they think the white-knight demeans them. It goes against the concept of equality and women liberation and empowerment.

[xboxisdead]

most divorces are because of they still want to keep close relations with ex-boyfriends, while the husband is some rich guy their parents got for arranged marriage, so the marriages usually crash within 1 year.

It happened in my family as well. Which makes me wonder why families spend so much money and wealth for the wedding ceremony (and related events).

That is 100% true. Besides if in the relationship the wife want to end barking orders or have share in order decisions and remove the concept the husband is the one who says the final say in matters I believe wives and her families should be the one helping in mahr too and dowry. I the husband come to buy you a ring, a jewelry to make you happy and give you dowry you in return come buy me a gift too. Maybe something more valuable than a tie or pants please, some with equal value as that ring or jewelry...maybe an expensive car or a computer or something that makes me happy and that is my dowry...or even give it to me as cash value (I can take it and put an investment on it to multiply that money more) and her family help in the expensive of wedding too 50/50. Now in relationship we make a deal...one week the wife is the leader she makes all the decision making, I rub her feet and obey her. Next week, I make all the decision making and she rubs my feet and she obeys me. Now we have equality..the very equality that women Muslim and non-Muslim alike seek. In terms of custodial rights should marriage the more fitting parent have full custody of the child and the other visit the child. In some cases that more fitting parent is the father...so even if the mother breastfed that child and the child is 2 years old and divorce happens and I am more fitting parent...I have full custody of the child. I take the child where ever I want, leave the country if must and it is the responsibility of the mother to follow me where ever I go. The one who loses custodial rights of the child is the one who pays child support until the child grows into adulthood. Now you have equality. There should be research to determine why one gender is skewed over the other when it comes to custodial rights and determine the cause and fix it so 50/50 remain intact. We have now what we call gender equality in family.

[CuriousonTruth]

I don't think women respect white-knight anymore. I think majority of them find it offensive as they think the white-knight demeans them. It goes against the concept of equality and women liberation and empowerment.

Not exactly, like everything else women have contradictory view points. Sometimes they criticize men for "mansplaning" and "patronizing" while 10 minutes later complaining about "where did all the chivalrous men go".

Now this contradictory nature of women is ancient, and nothing to do with modern day culture. But when they apply it in modern times it produces weird results, like the one I mentioned. Another such example is women complaining about cheating and emotionally abusive men online, but sleeping with them offline.

[CuriousonTruth]

That is 100% true. Besides if in the relationship the wife want to end barking orders or have share in order decisions and remove the concept the husband is the one who says the final say in matters I believe wives and her families should be the one helping in mahr too and dowry. I the husband come to buy you a ring, a jewelry to make you happy and give you dowry you in return come buy me a gift too. Maybe something more valuable than a tie or pants please, some with equal value as that ring or jewelry...maybe an expensive car or a computer or something that makes me happy and that is my dowry...or even give it to me as cash value (I can take it and put an investment on it to multiply that money more) and her family help in the expensive of wedding too 50/50. Now in relationship we make a deal...one week the wife is the leader she makes all the decision making, I rub her feet and obey her. Next week, I make all the decision making and she rubs my feet and she obeys me. Now we have equality..the very equality that women Muslim and non-Muslim alike seek. In terms of custodial rights should marriage the more fitting parent have full custody of the child and the other visit the child. In some cases that more fitting parent is the father...so even if the mother breastfed that child and the child is 2 years old and divorce happens and I am more fitting parent...I have full custody of the child. I take the child where ever I want, leave the country if must and it is the responsibility of the mother to follow me where ever I go. The one who loses custodial rights of the child is the one who pays child support until the child grows into adulthood. Now you have equality. There should be research to determine why one gender is skewed over the other when it comes to custodial rights and determine the cause and fix it so 50/50 remain intact. We have now what we call gender equality in family.

I'm not just talking about "mahr", in South Asian weddings, that's only a small part of the overall costs. Even in middle class families they spend A LOT on wedding ceremonies (excluding Mahr) and related ceremonies.
Which goes back to my point of how ludicrous marriage ceremonies are.

We need a new culture in marriage: marriage should only fulfill legal and religious requirements, and then if it works for 3 years we can have a bog wedding.

[FinalNyc]

very well said. That is why a woman loves her husband more - a commitment that holds the marriage together.