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bint e aisha
Greetings. If you consider it immoral and unethical to eat animals then on what basis do you think eating plants is alright? They are also living organisms. They are also a creation of God. You said:
Animals have just as much right to be on earth as Humans. They were created by God. Killing them is killing Gods creation to satisfy hunger and taste. I can say the same about plants. Why is eating vegetables, mushrooms not considered immoral when they are also living organisms? They are also a creation of God and they have as much right to be on Earth as Humans. They breath like we do, they grow like we do and they need nutrition like we do and to fulfill their nutritional requirements there are certain laws of nature. There is a food cycle and living organisms consume and take benefit from each other to survive. That is how God has created us and those are His laws.
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You cannot compare eating meat to plants and vegetables that is not on. If we could not eat vegetables then we would starve. I agree to a certain extent with your post. All food whether it be meat or veg can be unethical. Ie if food id produced by illicit means ie by robbing the poor then that food will be deemed as being unethical food.
ie if meat is produced in a factory that causes more harm then that is unethical and unmoral.
It is about striking a healthy balance. Ie over producing vegetables can cause soil desegregation and is harmful to the planet.
In the Dharmic faiths eating meat is discouraged.
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keiv
You’re right. Allah did create the animals as well as everything else. Allah made it permissible to eat meat and the prophet pbuh ate meat, so who are we to say it’s immoral? The same animals that Allah created are also out there eating each other to survive. Are they committing immoral acts as well?
Why is it acceptable to butcher animals? I imagine it would be hard to eat them while they are still alive. It’s also easier to cook and consume them when they are cut into pieces. Them hanging meat is no different than displaying it in a meat case. They’re selling a product and it’s being put on display. I don’t see how that’s even an argument.
Apparently, Buddhists have more respect for the lives of animals than they do for Muslims, but please don’t let that stop you from telling us how immoral our beliefs are.
Kiev, animals eating other animals is perfectly acceptable. We cant do the same as we are above animals. God has given us a higher level of intelligence to know right from wrong.
Killing animals to feed our hunger when there is plenty of veg available is wrong. How would you like it if a animal ate you for his dinner?
Dharmic faiths are more ethical and fair on the world and society . Islam, Christianity and Judasim is all about wants and needs to satisfy oneself.
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Physicist
The reality is such, that human beings is dominating form on Earth. Other living forms either inhabiting what is not used by humans yet (wildlife), either filling niches to fulfill human needs (agriculture, livestock, pets).
Thus, meat industry, however rude it seems, provide a niche for livestock. If mankind will turn to veganism, population of many anymals will be reduced to that in zoos.
You can invent any ideology how to bread cattle for it's own sake, reducing human population, giving cows election rights and so on. It will not be accepted by mankind.
Furthermore, "animal rights" is a dangerous concept: Since they are unable to make decisions for themselves, someone will have to decide for them. Then, same someone will be making decisions for you.
Islam doesn't forces anyone to eat meat, it's your choice what you want to eat. But Islam put ethics into process, to prevent suffering of anymals and nourishing sadism of butchers. For example, while slaughtering, artery is being opened to let blood flow out and diminish consciousness of an animal (most humane and certain way of anesthesy at that time)
When I was staying in buddhist monastery, monks there were not allowed even to kill a mosquito, but they were happily eating meat, living dirty job of slaughtering to ordinary people.
Killing animals in halal method which is exactly the same as kosher method has been proven to be very painful to the animal. It is a barbaric practice that was carried out in the dark ages. We have much more humane techniques to slaughter animals these days. Such as stunning. But Jews and muslims still practice old inhumane methods that are outdated.
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Medieval rabbis such as
Joseph Albo and
Isaac Arama regarded vegetarianism as a moral ideal,
[55] and a number of modern Jewish groups and Jewish religious and cultural authorities have promoted vegetarianism. Groups advocating for Jewish vegetarianism include
Jewish Veg, a contemporary
grassroots organization promoting veganism as "God's ideal diet"
[56], and the Shamayim V'Aretz Institute, which promotes a vegan diet in the Jewish community through animal welfare activism, kosher veganism, and Jewish spirituality.
[57] One source of advocacy for Jewish vegetarianism in Israel is
Amirim, a vegetarian
moshav (village).
[58]
Jewish Veg has named 75 contemporary rabbis who encourage veganism for all Jews, including
Jonathan Wittenberg,
Daniel Sperber,
David Wolpe,
Nathan Lopes Cardozo,
Kerry Olitzky,
Shmuly Yanklowitz,
Aryeh Cohen,
Geoffrey Claussen,
Rami M. Shapiro,
David Rosen,
Raysh Weiss,
Elyse Goldstein,
Shefa Gold, and
Yonassan Gershom.
[59][60] Other rabbis who have promoted vegetarianism have included
David Cohen,
Shlomo Goren,
Irving Greenberg,
Asa Keisar,
Jonathan Sacks,
She'ar Yashuv Cohen, and
Yitzhak HaLevi Herzog. Other notable advocates of Jewish vegetarianism include
Franz Kafka,
Roberta Kalechofsky,
Richard H. Schwartz,
Isaac Bashevis Singer,
Jonathan Safran Foer, and
Aaron S. Gross.
Jewish vegetarians often cite Jewish principles regarding
animal welfare,
environmental ethics, moral character, and
health as reasons for adopting a
vegetarian or
vegan diet.
[61][62]Some Jews point to legal principles including
Bal tashkhit (the law which prohibits waste) and
Tza'ar ba'alei hayyim (the injunction not to cause ‘pain to living creatures’).
[63] Many Jewish vegetarians are particularly concerned about cruel practices in
factory farms and high-speed, mechanized
slaughterhouses.
[64] Jonathan Safran Foer has raised these concerns in the short documentary film
If This Is Kosher..., responding to what he considers abuses within the kosher meat industry.
[65]
Some Jewish vegetarians have pointed out that Adam and Eve were not allowed to eat meat.
Genesis 1:29 states "And God said: Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree that has seed-yielding fruit—to you it shall be for food," indicating that God's original plan was for mankind to be vegan.
[66]· According to some opinions, the whole world will again be vegetarian in the
Messianic era, and not eating meat brings the world closer to that ideal.
[66] As the ideal images of the Torah are vegetarian, one may see the laws of
kashrut as actually designed to wean Jews away from meat eating and to move them toward the vegetarian ideal.
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