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BeTheChange
05-08-2021, 10:54 AM
Aslamualykum everyone

Please remember our Palestinian muslim brothers and sisters in your duas.

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Al-Ansariyah
05-08-2021, 03:58 PM
May Allah humiliate the jews!
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SoldierAmatUllah
05-08-2021, 07:42 PM
May Allah's curse be upon yahud!
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SoldierAmatUllah
05-08-2021, 07:48 PM
Reminder again to boycott israel& US,May Allah reduce united states of America and Israel to ASH!Allah humma inna najaaluka fi nahoorihim wa naoouzobika min sharooryhim!Aameen
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chitralekha
05-08-2021, 09:36 PM
This is so unfortunate...
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Al-Ansariyah
05-09-2021, 03:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SoldierAmatUllah
Reminder again to boycott israel& US,May Allah reduce united states of America and Israel to ASH!Allah humma inna najaaluka fi nahoorihim wa naoouzobika min sharooryhim!Aameen
Boycotting their products is not gonna do anything. We need to call muslims to unite and fight fi sabilillah. This is the only solution. And curse those yahud and their allies as much as possible.
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SintoDinto
05-09-2021, 07:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Boycotting their products is not gonna do anything. We need to call muslims to unite and fight fi sabilillah. This is the only solution. And curse those yahud and their allies as much as possible.
terrorism is not allowed in islam, and is only going to make the problem worse. violence can only be carried out by a sovereign nation's military.
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SoldierAmatUllah
05-10-2021, 07:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
terrorism is not allowed in islam, and is only going to make the problem worse. violence can only be carried out by a sovereign nation's military.
Islamic texts don't sync with above

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format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Boycotting their products is not gonna do anything. We need to call muslims to unite and fight fi sabilillah. This is the only solution. And curse those yahud and their allies as much as possible.
Well, they freak out with our boycott but you are right.Unite to fight
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Al-Ansariyah
05-10-2021, 08:20 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
terrorism is not allowed in islam, and is only going to make the problem worse. violence can only be carried out by a sovereign nation's military.
Why should you not fight in God’s cause and for those oppressed men, women, and children who cry out, ‘Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors! By Your grace, give us a protector and give us a helper!’?(4:75)


Those whose souls the angels take while they had wronged themselves, the angels say (to them), “In what business were you (involved)?” They say, “We were oppressed in the earth.” They say, “Was not the earth of Allah wide enough for you to emigrate to it?” Those people are such that their refuge is Jahannam . It is an evil place to return.(4:97)



Jihad isnt terrorism. West has brainwashed us and we believed in it!! Subahan Allah... Real men fight fi sabilillah. Only weak ones stay away from jihad.
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BeTheChange
05-10-2021, 11:57 AM
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keiv
05-10-2021, 05:15 PM
So many issues that Muslims are facing around the globe. Unfortunately, unity is not in our dictionary, but I suppose that was part of the plan when the Middle East was picked apart. Even if some governments put on a show when they speak out against everything going on, they know better than to put anything into action because of their dependence on those countries. Just look at how much China is able to get away with.
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SintoDinto
05-10-2021, 07:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SoldierAmatUllah
Islamic texts don't sync with above

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Well, they freak out with our boycott but you are right.Unite to fight
violence against civilians is haram. period. furthermore, what has violence done for the palestinian people? they have been fighting for over 100 years!!!!
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Al-Ansariyah
05-10-2021, 09:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
violence against civilians is haram. period. furthermore, what has violence done for the palestinian people? they have been fighting for over 100 years!!!!
Firstly, israeli soldiers arent civilians! If you consider them civilians, then what about battle of badr? General public fought in it. What would you like to say about it? What about battle of uhud? If violence, oh i wont call it violence, this is jihad., if it is haram then why did prophet do it? Why is it commanded in the Quran? Please read the Quran properly and the life of prophet, in sha Allah, you will understand better.
Only civilians among non muslims which are not to be fought are those who live under islamic country(where sharia is implemented) if they are paying the jizya.

Those civilians of israel support the soldiers and they are to be fought!!

And secondly, if palestinians are fighting, there are very few who are actually fighting fi sabilillah. Most of them have nationalism in their hearts and just want an independent country, they have no intention to rule by shariah. Once they all fight for the truth, thats when Allah will give victory, in sha Allah. But that doesnt excuse us from jihad. We are obligated to fight. Muslims are obligated to fight.

Brother, once i read you were supporting democracy or something like that. Please read the Quran and seerah of prophet. You have few mistakes in your aqeedah, my sincere advice to you.
Again, Real men fight fi sabilillah. Weak ones find excuses.

May Allah unite the ummah under the banner of "La ilaha il Allah"!
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chitralekha
05-10-2021, 09:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Firstly, israeli soldiers arent civilians! If you consider them civilians, then what about battle of badr? General public fought in it. What would you like to say about it? What about battle of uhud? If violence, oh i wont call it violence, this is jihad., if it is haram then why did prophet do it? Why is it commanded in the Quran? Please read the Quran properly and the life of prophet, in sha Allah, you will understand better.
Only civilians among non muslims which are not to be faught are those who live under islamic country(where sharia is implemented) if they are paying the jizya.

Those civilians of israel support the soldiers and they are to be faught!!

And secondly, if palestinians are fighting, there are very few who are actually fighting fi sabilillah. Most of them have nationalism in their hearts and just want an independent country, they have no intention to rule by shariah. Once they all fight for the truth, thats when Allah will give victory, in sha Allah. But that doesnt excuse us from jihad. We are obligated to fight. Muslims are obligated to fight.

Brother, once i read you were supporting democracy or something like that. Please read the Quran and seerah of prophet. You have few mistakes in your aqeedah, my sincere advice to you.
Again, Real men fight fi sabilillah. Weak ones find excuses.

May Allah unite the ummah under the banner of "La ilaha il Allah"!
But civilians who do not support soldiers should not be fought... Also, since you don't like democracy, can you please explain the system that you support instead?
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Al-Ansariyah
05-10-2021, 10:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by chitralekha
But civilians who do not support soldiers should not be fought... Also, since you don't like democracy, can you please explain the system that you support instead?

Islamic shariah. Thats the law of Allah. It is commanded by God. His is the heavens and the earth and only His law is to be implemented here. Thats what all muslims support, not just me.
Islam isnt just a religion. Its is a system and way of life. There are islamic political, economic and social systems. So it wouldnt be appropriate to say that islam is only about worshipping one God at individual level and keep good manners etc. Its lot more than that. We worship Allah in political system by implementing His laws and following His prophet. Thats what islam is.
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chitralekha
05-10-2021, 10:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Islamic shariah. Thats the law of Allah. It is commanded by God. His is the heavens and the earth and only His law is to be implemented here. Thats what all muslims support, not just me.
Islam isnt just a religion. Its is a system and way of life. There are islamic political, economic and social systems. So it wouldnt be appropriate to say that islam is only about worshipping one God at individual level and keep good manners etc. Its lot more than that. We worship Allah in political system by implementing His laws and following His prophet. Thats what islam is.
But in your political system, wouldn't all adults have the right to vote for the political parties of their choice?
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Al-Ansariyah
05-10-2021, 10:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by chitralekha
But civilians who do not support soldiers should not be fought... Also, since you don't like democracy, can you please explain the system that you support instead?
Sister, Do you want to learn islam? Are you interested?
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chitralekha
05-10-2021, 10:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Sister, Do you want to learn islam? Are you interested?
Of course! That is why I am here...
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Al-Ansariyah
05-10-2021, 10:54 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by chitralekha
But in your political system, wouldn't all adults have the right to vote for the political parties of their choice?
Nah, thats not how it works. It isnt like democracy. There are no political parties. You just have one leader called khalifa who is selected by the scholars. Theres no voting system because if one is illitrate and doesnt know who is deserving, it might happen that he may give vote to undeserving one as we see in democractic system nowadays. Theres a proper political system in islam. But you interested in learning about islam, sister?
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Al-Ansariyah
05-10-2021, 10:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by chitralekha
Of course! That is why I am here...
Oh yeah? Cool. Can i contact you then? We need to start from basics. If it is strong, then we will understand the other things of islam.
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chitralekha
05-10-2021, 10:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Oh yeah? Cool. Can i contact you then? We need to start from basics. If it is strong, then we will understand the other things of islam.
Sure, you can pm me sister.
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سيف الله
05-11-2021, 12:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
violence against civilians is haram. period. furthermore, what has violence done for the palestinian people? they have been fighting for over 100 years!!!!
Typical tactic Zios use, blame the victim - truly reprehensible on your part.
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SintoDinto
05-11-2021, 12:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Junon
Typical tactic Zios use, blame the victim - truly reprehensible on your part.
I agree with you and sister @Yrvwhere? now the palestinians have the right to fight back, especially if they are fighting combatants, namely the police. and i think there are problems with my aqeedah, sister @Yrvwhere could you pm me too?
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BeTheChange
05-11-2021, 08:28 AM
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Al-Ansariyah
05-11-2021, 08:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
I agree with you and sister @Yrvwhere? now the palestinians have the right to fight back, especially if they are fighting combatants, namely the police. and i think there are problems with my aqeedah, sister @Yrvwhere could you pm me too?
Sorry, i cant pm you. In sha Allah, any brother can help you with it.Or i can connect you with a brother who i know have a correct aqeedah or i can post aqeedah related things in this forum, but not privately. Read Quran along with tafsir and seerah of prophet.
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Al-Ansariyah
05-11-2021, 08:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by chitralekha
Sure, you can pm me sister.
I texted you.
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Al-Ansariyah
05-11-2021, 09:34 AM
https://youtu.be/sljjlLis_lI

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chitralekha
05-11-2021, 10:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
I texted you.
Thank you! Somehow I can't text you back. I would like to discuss through pms here itself.
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Al-Ansariyah
05-11-2021, 10:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by chitralekha
Thank you! Somehow I can't text you back. I would like to discuss through pms here itself.
Oh i understand. You arent full member yet. You have to complete 25 posts to become a full member.
Or you can message me on the number i gave you
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Singularity
05-15-2021, 09:29 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.alj...ine-escalation

News|Gaza

What led to the most recent Israel-Palestine escalation?

Protests over the expulsion of Palestinian families and Israeli raids on Al-Aqsa Mosque compound preceded Israel’s heavy bombardment of Gaza.

Smoke and flames rise in Gaza during Israeli air attacks amid a flare-up in violence. [Ibraheem Abu Mustafa/Reuters]

12 May 2021

Updated:

13 May 2021

01:15 PM (GMT)

Days of heavy bombardment on the Gaza Strip intensified on Wednesday, with Israeli fighter jets bombing sites belonging to Palestinian armed groups, as well as police buildings and apartment blocks.

Since the offensive began late on Monday, Gaza’s health ministry says at least 84 people have been killed, including 17 children. Nearly 500 others have been wounded.


The Israeli army said about 1,500 rockets have been fired from Gaza towards various locations in Israel, killing at least seven Israelis.

The escalation is the most intense since the seven-week 2014 Israeli war on Gaza. Here’s what led to the most recent flare-up in violence.

Sheikh Jarrah expulsions

Anger has been growing over the forced expulsionof Palestinian families from the occupied East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah, who have been facing multiple court cases filed against them by several pro-settler organisations since 1972.

These organisations claim that land the families live on was originally under Jewish ownership, but Palestinians see this as an extension of an official Israeli policy to displace as many Palestinians from Jerusalem in order to retain a majority Jewish identity in the city.

The United Nations has warned the planned expulsions could amount to “war crimes”.


Protests and scuffles between Palestinians, Israeli settlers and Israeli police have steadily increased since the end of April. The Israeli court in October 2020 ruled that four Palestinian families should vacate their homes, and gave May 2 as the date for their forcible eviction. However, the court date has since been postponed twice.

Recently, there have been confrontations as Palestinians gathered for iftar meals – the breaking of Ramadan fasts – at the homes of those being evicted. The families have since appealed to Israel’s Supreme Court. On Thursday night, at least 30 people were wounded and 15 arrested.

Al-Aqsa compound clashes and raids

On Friday, tens of thousands of Muslim worshippers filled the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound – Islam’s third holiest site – to pray on the final Friday of Ramadan, with many staying on to protest against the expulsions.

Heavily deployed police fired rubber-coated bullets and stun grenades at protesters who responded by throwing stones. Some 205 Palestinians and 17 Israeli officers were wounded.

Palestinians clash with Israeli security forces at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem’s Old City Monday. [File: Mahmoud Illean/The Associated Press]After a violent weekend, Israeli security forces on Monday conducted a flash raid on Al-Aqsa compound, again firing rubber-coated bullets, tear gas and sound bombs at gathered worshippers, stoking international outrage and wounding more than 300 Palestinians. About 20 Israeli officers were also injured.

Hamas later announced it had given an ultimatum for Israel to remove its security forces from Al-Aqsa compound and Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood by 6pm local time (15:00 GMT).

Israeli air raids, Hamas rockets

By early Tuesday morning, Hamas had fired some 200 rockets towards Israel, according to the Israeli military, including several targeted at Jerusalem, with many intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome defence system. At least two Israelis were killed.

Smoke rises after Israeli air attacks on Gaza City on Wednesday. [File: Khalil Hamra/The Associated Press]Meanwhile, Israeli aerial attacks, which hit apartment buildings as well as other targets, killedat least 26 Palestinians, including children, health authorities in Gaza said on Tuesday.

Despite international calls to de-escalate, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced on Tuesday “both the might of the attacks and the frequency of the attacks will be increased” on Gaza.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniya told mediators the group is “ready” if Israel increases its attacks on the besieged Gaza Strip, saying: “If they (Israel) want to escalate, the resistance is ready; and if they want to stop, the resistance is ready.”

UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Tor Wennesland, meanwhile, has warned the situation is escalating towards “a full-scale war”.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA
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Al-Ansariyah
05-16-2021, 04:35 PM
Help Palestine!

But not by: Waving flags, street demonstrations, and protests, men & women mixing, slogans, chaos, missing Salah...

But by:

- Spreading Tawheed & removing Shirk & bid’ah

- Sincere Dua & Qunoot

- sadaqah

- Raising awareness & petitioning

- Practicing Islam

- Strengthening the Ummah

- Partaking in Jihad and striking fear into the kuffar

May Allah aid our brothers and sisters in Palestine and grant them victory against the Jews.

“And never think that Allah is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them for a Day when eyes will stare [in horror].” [14:42]
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M.I.A.
05-18-2021, 10:20 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/israel-at...tival-12290891

This happened a few days before the Al aqsa, I suppose if your not very good at defending yourself then you really need to rely on acts of god to change the status quo.

To be fair I'm probably just clutching at straws but as someone who lives under threat, it is the fear of God that keeps the threat away.

If later on I learn how to act aright then maybe things will change, but I suppose we all need to grow into who we are. Given the chance.

Allah swt give us time to change and better ourselves.

The Iranian rockets thing has been done to death though.. Its causing a lot more harm than good to the point its bordering on misguidance imo.

Israel are more than ready for more of the same and somebody should really have noticed by now.
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keiv
05-18-2021, 10:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Help Palestine!

But not by: Waving flags, street demonstrations, and protests, men & women mixing, slogans, chaos, missing Salah...

But by:

- Spreading Tawheed & removing Shirk & bid’ah

- Sincere Dua & Qunoot

- sadaqah

- Raising awareness & petitioning

- Practicing Islam

- Strengthening the Ummah

- Partaking in Jihad and striking fear into the kuffar

May Allah aid our brothers and sisters in Palestine and grant them victory against the Jews.

“And never think that Allah is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them for a Day when eyes will stare [in horror].” [14:42]
Until the entire ummah fights under the banner of Islam, the issues of the ummah will continue to be segregated and everyone will be fighting their own battles under their own flags and identities. The world is aware of the Palestinian issue and has been aware for quite some time. There seems to be issues there annually and it’s the same response. Protests, boycotts, spreading awareness online, displaying hate towards zionists, etc. the opposition has become more widespread it seems, but as long as governments allow this to happen, nothing will change. This will slowly be forgetting until it happens again. While that’s happening, we have issues elsewhere where those Muslims are trying to survive as well.

what’s the solution? Become one nation where Muslims only rely on each other and no one else.
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Shayan'M'
05-22-2021, 12:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by SoldierAmatUllah
Reminder again to boycott israel& US,May Allah reduce united states of America and Israel to ASH!Allah humma inna najaaluka fi nahoorihim wa naoouzobika min sharooryhim!Aameen
Boycott is right but May Allah reduce united states of America and Israel to ASH!

Do you not know there are Muslims living USA / America indirectly you are wishing for their destruction also and may be a few Muslims live in Israel country too

Not every non Muslim is enemy of Islam enemy of us Muslims

Such as the kids / children they are innocent every where

So when you pray/ dua be careful

Its better to say those that destroy the mosque and their Aider's and sympathizer o my lord Allah punish them in this world and after
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Shayan'M'
05-22-2021, 12:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Islamic shariah. Thats the law of Allah. It is commanded by God. His is the heavens and the earth and only His law is to be implemented here. Thats what all muslims support, not just me.
Islam isnt just a religion. Its is a system and way of life. There are islamic political, economic and social systems. So it wouldnt be appropriate to say that islam is only about worshipping one God at individual level and keep good manners etc. Its lot more than that. We worship Allah in political system by implementing His laws and following His prophet. Thats what islam is.
Islam is a religion its a way of life be careful you accidentally slipped out of Islam .

Indeed Allah law is should be implemented but not by force or fear

Similar to how prophet Mohammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam

even the people that hated him knew Prophet Mohammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was honest and pious and trustworthy
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Al-Ansariyah
05-22-2021, 01:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Shayan'M'
Islam is a religion its a way of life be careful you accidentally slipped out of Islam .

Indeed Allah law is should be implemented but not by force or fear

Similar to how prophet Mohammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam

even the people that hated him knew Prophet Mohammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was honest and pious and trustworthy
Read the life of prophet and you will know it was constant battles that led them to conquer makkah and put the fear of muslims in the mushrikin. And even after the conquest of makkah, prophet participated in many battles. And if you think these are my own opinions , open the mushaf and READ. When the 4 caliphs came to power, they didnt sit idol shouting "peace, peace" everywhere. They began to conquer other areas and spread islam.

And when they would attack any area which is known as offensive jih@d, they would give them options of either to accept islam, or pay jizya or we will FIGHT. And this was for the king as well as the general public of that time. So if your enemy is not leaving the authority, you have to fight him so that only Allah's word remain highest.

And who are you to make takfir on me when you have no proof established. Being good with non muslims does not mean you will rule by their corrupt political system. These are some serious matters.
By denying jih@d, you are denying something which prophet came with. And ironically, that is kufr. But you know better what you meant so am not gonna judge unlike you.
Act like man, and dont fear fighting in the way of Allah. If you fear, then dont try to justify that there is no jih@d, remain silent.

Kindly read the life of prophet, Quran, and the lives of 4 caliphs before refuting others!
Didnt you read the verses i quoted before. Read their tafsir. Oh wait, not just of these two verses, read the tafsir of whole Quran.

Do you take some parts of the Quran and deny others?!!?

Not here for argument. I am not going to keep justifying that Quran says this and that when you yourself have all access to knowledge sources.
So my very friendly and sincere advice to you would be:Read Quran with tafsir, read about the life of prophet. And correct your aqeedah. And brother make sure you dont deny anything which prophet has done in his life.
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wiomuslims
05-29-2021, 05:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Firstly, israeli soldiers arent civilians! If you consider them civilians, then what about battle of badr? General public fought in it. What would you like to say about it? What about battle of uhud? If violence, oh i wont call it violence, this is jihad., if it is haram then why did prophet do it? Why is it commanded in the Quran? Please read the Quran properly and the life of prophet, in sha Allah, you will understand better.
Only civilians among non muslims which are not to be fought are those who live under islamic country(where sharia is implemented) if they are paying the jizya.

Those civilians of israel support the soldiers and they are to be fought!!

And secondly, if palestinians are fighting, there are very few who are actually fighting fi sabilillah. Most of them have nationalism in their hearts and just want an independent country, they have no intention to rule by shariah. Once they all fight for the truth, thats when Allah will give victory, in sha Allah. But that doesnt excuse us from jihad. We are obligated to fight. Muslims are obligated to fight.

Brother, once i read you were supporting democracy or something like that. Please read the Quran and seerah of prophet. You have few mistakes in your aqeedah, my sincere advice to you.
Again, Real men fight fi sabilillah. Weak ones find excuses.

May Allah unite the ummah under the banner of "La ilaha il Allah"!
Assalamua'laikum

I would like to clear some air about Civilians and the army.

Though the Sahaba who fought it Badr were considered normal people, they fought under the Command of Rasulullah (pbuh). Thus, they were the soldiers of Islam. Civilians are those, who do not participate in the war.

When Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) brought Islam, the resources were less. Hence everyone was invited for the war. If a normal civilian, joins the army. Then he would be no longer called a civilian. He becomes part of the army. Only during the Khilafa of Umar (Rd), the army was organized and salaries were paid to them. The total Islamic Governance was organized by Umar (Rd). Then the difference was made clear about who the government, who is the army and who is the civilian.

However, Islamic Rules are to be implemented by the shariah based government and not by normal people. Normal people engaging in fights would be called fitna. For example, turkey is gradually becoming an Islamic Country. It has the right to wage war as a country and it would not be called terrorism. This war will follow the guidelines of war rules and are bound by international law. Any wrong doings will be held in international court. However, if a group of civilians go and fight against an Israeli army, they may be just shot dead without any regulation and will be called terrorists. This will not just create trouble to turkey in international law, but will defame the country.

The war-fare has rules and guidelines. If you study the process of war which Rasulullah (Pbuh) fought with other tribes. You will understand even the non-muslims followed those rules. For example, before war there used to be individual fight. If someone is dying, the others were supposed to interrupt. Anyone who didn't obey these rules were considered to be the cheater and of no value.

Though, many non-muslim armies went against the rule of war and troubled civilians all the times. Islam is the only religion which brought justice to civilians. One of the main reasons, why arabs, the iranians and the romans converted to Islam was because of the respect given by Muslim armies to the civilians.

Before Islam, every army which attacked them used to loot them and take away their women and properties. But, when the Islamic army entered into these areas. The announcement used to be made "Women and children are safe, the ill people are safe, the older people are safe, Your properties are safe. No Muslim army will enter your house and loot. Just make sure, no enemy is hidden in your house with arms."

Anyways, what I am trying to say is, j*had is done under the Islamic governance and command of the chief. Individual fights are not called as j*had. It adds no value to the cause of Islam.

The only solution to all these problems is unity. All muslims, including organizations and governments should come under one platform. Then only Allah has promised the help. Today, everyone is worried about their own problem. Hence, we are not bound to get collective help from Allah. This will continue as long as we are divided.
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wiomuslims
05-29-2021, 06:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Read the life of prophet and you will know it was constant battles that led them to conquer makkah and put the fear of muslims in the mushrikin. And even after the conquest of makkah, prophet participated in many battles. And if you think these are my own opinions , open the mushaf and READ. When the 4 caliphs came to power, they didnt sit idol shouting "peace, peace" everywhere. They began to conquer other areas and spread islam.

And when they would attack any area which is known as offensive jih@d, they would give them options of either to accept islam, or pay jizya or we will FIGHT. And this was for the king as well as the general public of that time. So if your enemy is not leaving the authority, you have to fight him so that only Allah's word remain highest.
:sl:

Sister, I understand your emotions. However, I beg to differ that Prophet (pbuh) has instilled fear in people of Mecca during the conquest. Instead, I would say Prophet (pbuh) has conquered Mecca with authority. He gave clear instructions that there should be no bloodshed during the conquest. And it happened without any bloodshed. Except khalid (Rd) was first attacked by Ikrama and he had to retaliate. Even on that Prophet (pbuh) asked khalid why did he fight, and he said that he was attacked first and he didn't start the fight.

Secondly, when Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) entered Mecca, he gave safe heaven to people who entered Abu Sufyan house. Even though he still didn't accept Islam, but didn't want war to happen. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) made sure that all the people are safe and not hurt. One interested fact here is about Hind, wife of Abu Sufyan. She killed Hamza (rd) and chew his liver. Prophet (pbuh) ordered to kill Hind. But she was forgiven, when she accepted Islam. Later Ikramah who ran away from Mecca also came back and accepted Islam as they were given safe heaven.

These are about only well known personalities, many other enemies of Islam came back to Mecca and accepted Islam. This didn't happen because of fear instilled by Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). It was possible, because of the love and forgiveness spread in the atmosphere of Mecca.

No doubt Sahaba were the fierce full in the battle. It is the demand of hour. But when it came to dealing with the people. They were the most generous and forgiving. If you seriously go through the Islamic history of warfare. Most of the civilians accepted Islam, just because of the peace and love the sahaba carried. People used to say, "Muslims are the most fierce full in war. And the most forgiving after the war."
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wiomuslims
05-29-2021, 06:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wiomuslims

The war-fare has rules and guidelines. If you study the process of war which Rasulullah (Pbuh) fought with other tribes. You will understand even the non-muslims followed those rules. For example, before war there used to be individual fight. If someone is dying, the others were supposed to interrupt. Anyone who didn't obey these rules were considered to be the cheater and of no value.
Edit: others were *not suppose to interrupt.
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wiomuslims
05-29-2021, 07:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by chitralekha
But civilians who do not support soldiers should not be fought... Also, since you don't like democracy, can you please explain the system that you support instead?
Peace be upon you. I am also from India.

Islam gives clear instructions about warfare. The Muslim army is not allowed to attack the civilians (even if they support the army). Unless, they go against any commands given by the chief commander after victory. Islam doesn't allow even to attack the Religious leaders, who are with the army. Because, they come to the war to encourage the soldiers and are not directly involved in the war. Further, Islam doesn't allow muslim soldiers to attack women, children, animals or cut of trees (only with the intention of creating havoc). It is allowed to cut trees if there is necessity of making war easier.

However, the non-muslim armies do not bound by this rule. What you see in Israel is absolute misuse of power, just like the previous rulers used to do. Muslims never did that, as their religion never allowed to do. However, some historians who had grudge against the Muslims have distorted the history.

Coming to Democracy,

Islam does encourage selecting people through majority of interest. However, it is considered only where the governance is Islamic. However, Islam believes in the concept of Khilafah, where there is one leader for all Muslims. He should be selected on based on the love of Allah and his intention to make Islam better only for the sake of Allah. Hence, we do not consider other political system appropriate. Though we have to believe in such system if we are staying in any such country. When the khilafah is being transferred to other leader, even here the things which are considered are his love for religion for the sake of Allah. It should not be transferred based on heritage of children, relatives or friends.

If you have more queries, please do let me know. I will be happy to help.
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Al-Ansariyah
05-29-2021, 11:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wiomuslims
Coming to Democracy,

Islam does encourage selecting people through majority of interest. However, it is considered only where the governance is Islamic. However, Islam believes in the concept of Khilafah, where there is one leader for all Muslims. He should be selected on based on the love of Allah and his intention to make Islam better only for the sake of Allah. Hence, we do not consider other political system appropriate. Though we have to believe in such system if we are staying in any such country. When the khilafah is being transferred to other leader, even here the things which are considered are his love for religion for the sake of Allah. It should not be transferred based on heritage of children, relatives or friends.
Common people cannot vote for khalifa. Only scholars are allowed to, because they know who will be able to control the state. Try not to give wrong knowledge to people who want to learn about islam. Plus i didnt even read your whole posts. Open the mushaf and READ.
Defensive j*had doesnt need islamic governance or imam, offensive does. If someone is attacking your house, are you gonna search for imam or defend yourself?
And one last sincere advice, Read about life of prophet. Be careful akhi while making assumptions about his doings.

I am fed up of justifying all of it. So this will be my last post on this thread, in sha Allah, unless it is a necessity to involve in discussion.

Hence, we do not consider other political system appropriate. Though we have to believe in such system if we are staying in any such country.
Correct your aqeedah!

Say, " Allah is most knowing of how long they remained. He has [knowledge of] the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth. How Seeing is He and how Hearing! They have not besides Him any protector, and He shares not His legislation with anyone."(18:26)
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wiomuslims
05-30-2021, 04:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?
Common people cannot vote for khalifa. Only scholars are allowed to, because they know who will be able to control the state. Try not to give wrong knowledge to people who want to learn about islam. Plus i didnt even read your whole posts. Open the mushaf and READ.
Defensive j*had doesnt need islamic governance or imam, offensive does. If someone is attacking your house, are you gonna search for imam or defend yourself?
And one last sincere advice, Read about life of prophet. Be careful akhi while making assumptions about his doings.

I am fed up of justifying all of it. So this will be my last post on this thread, in sha Allah, unless it is a necessity to involve in discussion.


Correct your aqeedah!

Say, " Allah is most knowing of how long they remained. He has [knowledge of] the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth. How Seeing is He and how Hearing! They have not besides Him any protector, and He shares not His legislation with anyone."(18:26)
:sl:

I do understand your emotions sister. It's typical these days. Once we made up mind based on our assumption. Then we don't care what other's are saying even if it has been the view of majority of scholars. And who told you only scholars are allowed to select the Khalifa? And do you know the ruling of selecting the Khalifah? In Islam, before taking any decision. An Amir is appointed, who is deemed fit to take the decision. Then based on the discussion and capabilities, the Khalifa is appointed. The decision of Amir can be against majority of people and it can be accordingly to the people. The people have to accept it any cost. Unless the decision goes against the tenants of Islam.

And I never spoke about defensive J*had. I discussed about the ruling of J*had in general. And you saying that you didn't read the complete post itself is a sign that you are not here to understand. I guess, you might have made up mind that anyone who talks sense doesn't understand Islam.

And coming to Aqeedah.. hope this Mufti is not a fool in your eyes:

https://daruliftaa.com/miscellaneous...d-in-the-west/
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Al-Ansariyah
05-31-2021, 12:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by wiomuslims
And coming to Aqeedah.. hope this Mufti is not a fool in your eyes:
I am showing you the ayah of Quran and you giving me this F A T A W A. In the hadith, it never mentioned that you have to obey the ruler who goes against QURAN AND SUNNAH.

https://www.islamicboard.com/general...ml#post3040971


Akhi, we shouldnt speak without knowledge. Abu bakr (ra) wasnt selected by the voting of people. Only best people were there when the meeting was held. So there are other ways as well through which khalifa is chosen. I havent made any assumptions nor am i speaking from my desires. And okay you were telling about jih-d in general but i was talking about defensive one throughout the thread. And yes, prophet did say during the conquest of makkah that he did not want any bloodshed. But what about the battles before? Have we forgotten that? There were a great number of gazwaat and sariya that took place. And in most of them, muslims were victorious. This is the reason quraish of makkah didnt do anything during the conquest because they knew muslims are greater in number and they are gonna win so they left their authority. This is what i wanted to say. In these times, if you go any government and say" Leave this authority for I am going to be khalifa here and establish Allah's laws" How would they react? They are gonna fight you because they know you dont have any power and you dont have any army of soldiers with you. Hence, I am saying study the seerah properly. So yeah, this was necessary to tell. Wont reply further in sha Allah. But as you are a muslim and a brother in islam, its my obligation to tell you that study the seerah carefully and read about the system of khilafah as well. And read the Quran as well. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND QURAN .ALL THE BEST AKHI.

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But one last thing for all the muslims, we will be victorious soon, biiznillah. Khil"fah will be revived and we will lead the world, soon in sha Allah. Allah has promised victory. May we live till that time to see our beloved deen victorious :)
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