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Yrvhere?
Jazakallah khair brother. I am glad that you want to understand this. Most of the times, we muslims ignore this matter but very few actually want to understand.
As we know, today there isnt any country which is ruled by Allah's laws. And we all are living in darul kufr. But are we obliged to obey those laws? No! If we obey, we have taken someone other than Allah as our legislator. There are few rules in our countries without which its impossible to even buy a piece of land. For example, you have to have a voter id or passport etc. but you have to use them only to benefit yourself. You dont have to vote in elections through it. You dont have to disobey Allah. We cant take our affairs to the courts for them to judge because they will judge according to their constitution whereas we muslims are obliged to judge according to what Quran and sunnah of prophet says.
I'm sure there is a misunderstanding here. Islaam is a global religion. It is for everyone, no matter in which country they live in. So if this is true, then every muslim living in a non-sharia country must rebel.
Imagine this:
A person living in a random country one day sees the light, converts to Islaam, and the first thing he does is to rebel against the government.
First, that would not be a very good example for a muslim...it will bring the image of Islaam down.
Second, he should leave everything behind and immigrate to a shariah country? to a foreign land where he doesn't know the language nor the customs, nowhere to go...where would he start?
Third, If we do not accept or obey the laws of the country we live in, then that means we constantly get in trouble, and that can also not be the purpose of Islaam.
Islaam is an easy and tolerant religion...it makes our lives easier, not more difficult.
So, I think there is more to this than what you are displaying right now.
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Yrvhere?
About the najashi one, when muslims migrated to abbysinia, there were no laws revealed by Allah. The ayahs revealed in makkah focused on aqeedah and not on ahkaam(rules). So there was no way najashi could rule by shariah. When all the ahkaam were revealed in madinah, the prophet did send the letters to kings so that they could become muslims and rule by islamic laws.
I do not know, but I am taking your word for it.
Thank you for your clarification.
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Yrvhere?
Akhi, worship is not limited to salah, fasts, zakat and hajj. Worship is a broad term which means " Extreme love and extreme obeidience". If we pray salah, we are worshipping Allah. How? Because HE commanded us to pray. We are obeying Him. If a woman is in menses, she doesnt have to pray, so is she not worshipping Allah? She is. By restraining from praying, she is obeying Allah because He commanded it. Allah says in the Quran:
"Did I not enjoin you that you do not worship shaytan- for indeed, he is to you a clear enemy."(36:60)
When you see this verse in arabic, you will find the root word for worship here is "ibadah". But how do people worship shaytan? By giving him sujood? By giving money in his way? By doing hajj for him? By keeping fast for him? No! They worship him by obeying him. You see, worship isnt limited to salah. You have to obey Allah in every way. So yes, "to worship" is equal to " to obey".
I never said worship is limited to salah. We worship Allah with everything we do that is good and leaving everything that is bad.
about whorshipping shaytaan, people do not whorship shaytaan by obeying him....they already worship shaytaan by not obeying Allah....there is a big difference there.
So again, I never said worship is limited to ibadah.
What I do say is, and I am still convinced of that, is that "worship" is not equal to "obey".
There are a lot of people I have to obey but none of them is worth to worship. I only worship Allah.
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Yrvhere?
Yea, about the ibrahim as story, he never sold those idols. He would take them and drown them in rivers. We should be careful while saying this thing to any prophet. No prophet was ever involved in shirk or supporting it.
I vagely remember a part where he actually did take them to the market, after dragging them behind im, put them on display, covered in mud and at least said something like, "come and buy your mud covered useless idols if you still want" or something along that line.
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Yrvhere?
Parents and business thing is different, because they arent saying that we should worship them. They arent taghoot. We are gonna obey them as long as they dont go against Allah. But about the taghoot government of our countries, it is totally different. Because they are telling us to worship them. They have stood against Allah clearly. If we say that okay, we will obey their laws if they dont go against islam, what are we doing here? We are giving him right to legislate. We are saying that okay, you make laws for us but if they arent in islam, we wont obey. By giving them even this right, we are going against islam. We are saying that yes Allah is the legislator, but this human is also a legislator as long as we are able to pray salah and fasts. But in this, we are associating some human with Allah. Nauzu billah. About muslims who dont know about this reality and they support their government, i dont know about them. Allah will judge them.May Allah protect all the muslims from shirk. What is the solution? We have to try our best to bring islamic shariah so that only Allah's word remain high.
Kufr bit Taghout-Without it,Imaan is Nullified
I have to research this issue a little deeper. I must admit my knowledge about this, is not so great. But what exactly do you mean by "Governments asking us to worship them"? Am I worshipping Germany by obeying the laws? and how?
as long as they do not ask me to do something against Islaam, then everything is OK, isn't it.
Of course, some things we cannot always avoid...like normally salary will be send to your bank account. and then usually interest is involved which is haraam...and it is very difficult to find a bank which doesn't work that way.
Or they just do not call it "interest". or they have other disadvantages, perhaps not that stable or whatever.
neither do we have the option to say "I want my salary cash".
So there are some difficulties for us to overcome, I agree on that...but otherwise, I am not worshipping germany by doing my duties as a good citizen.