I want halal money and religion.

[SintoDinto]

I need to leave my haram job at the grocery store where people sometimes buy alcohol and pork and i handle it and i need to get into computer sales or repair. im also getting an IT certification, so that should get me a better job than that after a few months. any tips for a convert?

[SintoDinto]

by convert i mean from liberal islam to conservative islam. the mods edited the title.

[Labayk]

How big are you into IT Bro? Any programming skills? Also, are you good at self-teaching?

[SintoDinto]

How big are you into IT Bro? Any programming skills? Also, are you good at self-teaching?

I taught myself and practiced a little bit of programming online through codecademy, the app grasshopper (javascript), a java learning app (not much really, but it was introductory), and I like the idea of doing something predictable. But I think I'd be more into hardware. I was into learning about building pcs, and wanted to do that for some money but never got around to doing it, mostly because i didnt have the money and my mom didn't want to give me any and needed it, and my certification is comp tia a+ so its hardware. i just need to save up some money to buy the test prep and exams. and get over my initial procrastination.

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[SintoDinto]

i barely scratched the surface of programming though, and need to practice more consistently.

[Labayk]

Well for programming, I highly recommend jobreadyprogrammer.com. The guy who teaches is Imtiaz Ahmed who is also an instructor at Udemy. He is very well-spoken and is very good at breaking things down in very simple, easy to understand terms. His courses are such that even if you've never seen a single line of code in your entire life you could easily go from zero to hero by the end of the course. He teaches Java, Python, SQL and others. It's all geared toward the job market though and is very relevant to what employers are looking for right now in software development.

He's got a video on ways to break into the software development world and what realistically one could expect in terms of time frame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJG4sQhzsw

Another route is cyber-security. cybrary.it is a sufficient one-stop shop for that. There are different learning paths within that realm/market. They have 100s of hours of courses from Systems Admin (150+hrs) to Networking (same); SOC analyst who is one who builds defensive security against hackers; Incident responder that (as the name suggests) responds to when a company or organization is actually under attack; Penetration Tester aka Penn Tester aka Ethical Hacker who will with a company's permission actually hack into their systems to expose vulnerabilities; and others. All videos are fully available for 40 bucks a month or 20 if you pay a year in advance. They also prep you for a number of certs that you can get in that industry.

All of that of course is more of the software side although Networking might involve some hardware stuff. If you just want to brush up on some programming skills though then jobreadyprogrammer is good as it offers full membership or individual packages if you only want to focus on a certain language.

Anyway, let me know you think and I hope that helps Akhi.

[Labayk]

Yeah I just looked now. cybrary.it does have courses geared around CompTIA so I think it would definitely be a good learning resource.

[SintoDinto]

Thank you @Labayk ! I'm so happy for your help. although the difficult part would be explaining to my uneducated grandparents in Turkey why I'm getting a certification and not a university degree. Lol. Even my aunts and uncles may not understand. Although I suppose I could still get a degree on the side, I just don't like the fitna of women, as well as the constantly having to spend money and go through red tape when I understand the process better than the advisors. hahahaha

[SintoDinto]

btw @Labayk do you work in IT or something? do you work in software of hardware?

[Labayk]

I'm finishing up my Bachelor's in Computer Science. Information/skills wise College is a joke. You can get a much better education online. The courses I sent make my college professors look like amateurs. Add to that the massive amount of heartache/headache of having to take general courses that have nothing to do with your field, it's a much more productive part of one's time to learn online. I will be/have been learning those courses myself otherwise I won't be remotely competent in the field.

It is trickier getting into the market without a degree. The sacred tradition of getting that (skills-wise) worthless piece of parchment refuses to die. The degree is the gatekeeper, it will get you the interview, but you won't pass the interview without the skills which college in all of its four years and 1000s of dollars can't seem to provide somehow. You have to get that on your own. It's trickier but I do not think impossible by any means. You would have to build your skills really well and then find a way to showcase that to employers. Again, not impossible. Think of it this way. If you were to take a certain career path seriously, you could treat the next four years as if you are going to college. In other words, study with the same level of intensity. It would be near impossible to not get skilled and land a job by then. Even if you went on a crazy job searching rampage with nothing to show for it for a year, you would still land something eventually inshaAllah.

For my certain set of circumstances, I need that piece of paper. I don't know your circumstances Bro, but if you're into IT and can put the hard effort, you can make a plan and do very well inshaAllah. My best advice to give is that when considering any career path whatsoever, make istikharah and you will do well for sure bithnillah.

I got some programming languages under my belt and I'm seriously considering IT security. It's quite a broad field, but very interesting. I checked out some of the Penetration Testing courses and the information is crazy. Basically, firewalls and anti-viruses in many instances are more like scarecrows. You have to configure them just right for them to be effective and even then there are issues. There's also SOC's analyst which is more the defensive side (blue team) of security.

I forgot to mention that if one wanted to break into that field then there are pretty much two entry-level paths from what I can see: Systems Administrator and Networking. With Systems Admin, you basically learn the ins and outs of the computer system itself. So Windows, Mac, Linux, etc. For Networking it is more about all the ways that computers connect to each other. One would have to have experience in one of those two fields for about two years before moving on to bigger and better things. You might be able to start off with a IT support call center job or something and work your way from there. wa Allah 'Alim

Anyway, may Allah Grant you and I success in this life and especially in the Hereafter. Ameen.

[SintoDinto]

I'm finishing up my Bachelor's in Computer Science. Information/skills wise College is a joke. You can get a much better education online. The courses I sent make my college professors look like amateurs. Add to that the massive amount of heartache/headache of having to take general courses that have nothing to do with your field, it's a much more productive part of one's time to learn online. I will be/have been learning those courses myself otherwise I won't be remotely competent in the field.

It is trickier getting into the market without a degree. The sacred tradition of getting that (skills-wise) worthless piece of parchment refuses to die. The degree is the gatekeeper, it will get you the interview, but you won't pass the interview without the skills which college in all of its four years and 1000s of dollars can't seem to provide somehow. You have to get that on your own. It's trickier but I do not think impossible by any means. You would have to build your skills really well and then find a way to showcase that to employers. Again, not impossible. Think of it this way. If you were to take a certain career path seriously, you could treat the next four years as if you are going to college. In other words, study with the same level of intensity. It would be near impossible to not get skilled and land a job by then. Even if you went on a crazy job searching rampage with nothing to show for it for a year, you would still land something eventually inshaAllah.

For my certain set of circumstances, I need that piece of paper. I don't know your circumstances Bro, but if you're into IT and can put the hard effort, you can make a plan and do very well inshaAllah. My best advice to give is that when considering any career path whatsoever, make istikharah and you will do well for sure bithnillah.

I got some programming languages under my belt and I'm seriously considering IT security. It's quite a broad field, but very interesting. I checked out some of the Penetration Testing courses and the information is crazy. Basically, firewalls and anti-viruses in many instances are more like scarecrows. You have to configure them just right for them to be effective and even then there are issues. There's also SOC's analyst which is more the defensive side (blue team) of security.

I forgot to mention that if one wanted to break into that field then there are pretty much two entry-level paths from what I can see: Systems Administrator and Networking. With Systems Admin, you basically learn the ins and outs of the computer system itself. So Windows, Mac, Linux, etc. For Networking it is more about all the ways that computers connect to each other. One would have to have experience in one of those two fields for about two years before moving on to bigger and better things. You might be able to start off with a IT support call center job or something and work your way from there. wa Allah 'Alim

Anyway, may Allah Grant you and I success in this life and especially in the Hereafter. Ameen.

thank you brother, may Allah grant you success in this life and especially in the Hereafter as well especially as well Ameen.

Oh you said you AND I. oh, thank you. ameen.

[Imraan]

I need to leave my haram job at the grocery store where people sometimes buy alcohol and pork and i handle it and i need to get into computer sales or repair. im also getting an IT certification, so that should get me a better job than that after a few months. any tips for a convert?

Assalam walaikum

nowadays you should be getting into cloud computing / cloud integration or cyber security... that is the 'in thing' now and will be around for quite some time....
hardware use will be declining very soon as more and more stuff gets 'cloud' based, people would rather have their system cloud based instead of managing hardware in house.
you could also explore EPOS systems.... more and more self serve EPOS will be rolled out replacing 'manned' tills in the supermarket, but failure of these EPOS systems is inevitable, hence requiring EPOS engineers.

In the UK there are training courses (some sponsored / fees negotiable) to get you started, you may have to start at the bottom (like bare minimum related to the area you are targetting) gradually working your way up through relevant fields and job roles..

Endeavour to pursue these options, insh Allah you'll get something.

[SintoDinto]

I've actually realized I'm more into creative, right brained or "cross brained" things, like the social sciences, arts, and humanities and foreign languages. Is it possible to become a translator or interpreter in the United States without a degree? I've been catching up on my Spanish, and Arabic, and will be polishing my Turkish and still do sometimes. University is too expensive and inflation is high here in the USA. Not catching up with a grocery store workers wages. For a while I followed the opinion of an imam who said selling pork and alcohol is not haram if its not youre store (and implicitly, since its a minority of earnings) and because its a non muslim country. im considering working at another store. many workers are quitting en masse here, and applying for other jobs, so retailers and fast food places are desperate to hire. im even considering investing in vending machines.

[SintoDinto]

Oh I just researched on google the answer to my other question in my previous post. I dont need a degree to become an interpreter, so I suppose I should work on one of my languages, especially turkish since its the easiest for me, and work somewhere, although there arent alot of turkish interpreter jobs where i live. i might have to move to another city or state (how you say...province?) within the USA

[Labayk]

You could maybe do some freelance work online. Overseas companies especially need translation work done. I've heard okay things about Upwork. You should be able to find other sites online that could be good.

https://www.upwork.com/cat/writing-translation

Hope that helps!

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[SintoDinto]

You could maybe do some freelance work online. Overseas companies especially need translation work done. I've heard okay things about Upwork. You should be able to find other sites online that could be good.

https://www.upwork.com/cat/writing-translation

Hope that helps!

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thanks, brother. jazakallaha khair.

[keiv]

Those look like great resources Labayk! I always wanted to get into IT and even took elective college courses in the early 2000s. It was tough to pin point a specific path to take as I enjoyed the networking and programming classes, but I never got my foot in the door unfortunately. Visual Basic was pretty fun but I hear that's no longer a thing. Every now and then I get the urge to try and learn it but then reality sets in...

[SintoDinto]

Should I work in the deli of my grocery store, where some of the items are pork, or work as a pharmacy tech? There's more opportunity for advancement as a deli clerk and I wouldn't have to leave my company. id also be able to go to school in the meanwhile, at online school, but with pharmacy tech id have to focus on getting certified. im also considering marrying soon, but I'm not sure, I did istikhara. my mother at least wants me to finish my community college degree. and a sheikh said istikhara can sometimes be interpreted through dreams, but is ultimately decided by fate, and interpreted my dream to mean I should marry after my two year degree. i also think it would be beneficial, to finally stop simping. but i was planning on getting married during my studies. ah, so many things all at once!!!!

but there is another option, albeit one that involves transferring to another company. work as a pharmacy clerk, then be trained as pharmacy tech, etc. and go to school at same time.

there problem solved my area has some pharmacy tech apprenticeships

I also have plans for halal investments, and I'm possibly getting help from my mom in case I get married.

but the tuition!!! ah, ill figure something out. maybe i wont finish a 4 year degree, since the non grocery pharmacy has no tuition reimbursement, or something else.

[SintoDinto]

I'm not sure that translation is something I can learn on my own. and it also isn't steady.

[SintoDinto]

Oh I just found a way to learn a language thats better than the app im using, but uses my app as a supplement. and I just found out how long it'll take.

[Labayk]

Those look like great resources Labayk! I always wanted to get into IT and even took elective college courses in the early 2000s. It was tough to pin point a specific path to take as I enjoyed the networking and programming classes, but I never got my foot in the door unfortunately. Visual Basic was pretty fun but I hear that's no longer a thing. Every now and then I get the urge to try and learn it but then reality sets in...

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and...ology/home.htm

This is the official government website on the outlook of the market. On the left are all the different subfields within IT. I was thinking of just being a computer programmer for a while, but now I'm thinking about security which has a couple of paths to get into. It is possible to break into the field without a degree. The degree is the gate-keeper. It makes it easier to get into the gate but that's about it. You can seriously build your skills to a very competent level through self-study so skills-wise, you don't need a degree. You learn the most from the job itself anyway. Later on you can slowly build some experience to compensate for your lack of degree.

If you are seriously interested Akhi, let me know, we can talk about a detailed roadmap whether you wanted to go the self-study route or even the degree route. I have a lot of resources Bro.

but the tuition!!! ah, ill figure something out. maybe i wont finish a 4 year degree, since the non grocery pharmacy has no tuition reimbursement, or something else.

I'm not sure where you're located. If you're in the States then you could get by using grants from Financial Aid. You can get quite a bit from Grants alone. My entire first two years which was at a technical college was pretty much completely covered by grants which means no debt at all and no interest. Even the next two years are covered quite a bit through Grants but not completely.

If you go to school though, whether 2 or 4 year, make sure it's worthwhile. Get something that will be of some use. Associate's Degrees aren't worth much on their own except in certain fields where they can actually be useful. Make sure you can justify to yourself that your time and money is being spent with something fruitful. Have a game plan and make sure that the course you are pursuing is going to have a way into a good market for you to get well on your feet.

I'm not sure that translation is something I can learn on my own. and it also isn't steady.

If you know two languages pretty well, then you should be able to translate. I knew a guy who was into translation. I used to work overseas teaching English as a second language. He helped me get proofreading work even though I wasn't qualified with a degree or anything. He was a freelance translator full-time. He would tell me, "You always translate into your mother language." So if your first language is English, but you can read another language pretty well, then you just write the meaning into English which shouldn't be too difficult. He and some of his friends would translate and then he would send me the translation to proofread.

You are right about it not being steady. It would take time to build one's self as a freelancer until you can get some steady clients. But it is possible. Wa Allah 'Alim.

[SintoDinto]

I actually prayed istikhara, and I think I should go into cybersecurity since it pays more. the real reason i wanted all these jobs was so i could marry earlier, but a sheikh advised me to marry after my degree, probably because he knows i wont get ahead in life with my lack of social stamina and disabilities and differences, without being successful with my intellect and hard work. like ive been told my whole life. "prove them wrong" "success is the best revenge" i actually found an online self paced school based on competency based assignments rather than knowledge based assignments. wait, can praying istikhara guide you to something else? or does it only prove or disprove one thing?

[SintoDinto]

either cybersecurity or something else technical. but there are sisters I know who wont be available for awhile due to their own (advanced, more than me) studies.

[keiv]

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and...ology/home.htm

This is the official government website on the outlook of the market. On the left are all the different subfields within IT. I was thinking of just being a computer programmer for a while, but now I'm thinking about security which has a couple of paths to get into. It is possible to break into the field without a degree. The degree is the gate-keeper. It makes it easier to get into the gate but that's about it. You can seriously build your skills to a very competent level through self-study so skills-wise, you don't need a degree. You learn the most from the job itself anyway. Later on you can slowly build some experience to compensate for your lack of degree.

If you are seriously interested Akhi, let me know, we can talk about a detailed roadmap whether you wanted to go the self-study route or even the degree route. I have a lot of resources Bro.

Barak Allahu Feek. The "reality sets in" part of my post is me not having the motivation to go through a career change at this point in my life. I'm almost 40 :) I've done non IT related work for my entire working career, so even if I wanted to make that move, it would be too much of a hassle to try and compete with high schoolers who grew up around this stuff. Not saying it's impossible because I have read many stories of people making career changes later in their lives, but I just don't think I'm ready to make that jump especially since I have a stable job alhamdulillah.

[Labayk]

wait, can praying istikhara guide you to something else? or does it only prove or disprove one thing?

"Oh, Allah. I seek counsel from your knowledge and from your power I seek strength and I ask you of your immense favor, for verily, you are able while I am not and verily you know while I do not and you are Knower of the Unseen. If in your knowledge (doing such and such) is good for me in relation to my deen, life and end, then facilitate it for me and make it easy for me, and if in your knowledge it is bad for me my life and end, then keep it away from me and keep me away from it and grant me what is good wherever it may be and make me satisfied with such. Ameen"

Istikharah opens doors.

Barak Allahu Feek. The "reality sets in" part of my post is me not having the motivation to go through a career change at this point in my life. I'm almost 40 :) I've done non IT related work for my entire working career, so even if I wanted to make that move, it would be too much of a hassle to try and compete with high schoolers who grew up around this stuff. Not saying it's impossible because I have read many stories of people making career changes later in their lives, but I just don't think I'm ready to make that jump especially since I have a stable job alhamdulillah.

Ah, yes. Reality. I'm around the same age. My story is different though. I actually never settled in on a career and have reached a financial ceiling that I am now trying to get past in order to satisfy my obligations and needs. The Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam) when deciding between two or more halal choices went with the easiest. Whichever is best for you and your needs, go with.

I actually prayed istikhara, and I think I should go into cybersecurity since it pays more.

I can help you figure out which path you want to take bro so you don't have to waste time and you can get a feel for the market. Check out the resources I gave before and let me know what you think. With IT, it's learning a bunch of little detailed technical knowledge which you have to practice to get a knack for. Learn a little, practice a lot, learn a little more. Repeat. There is a lot to learn and if you dive in without knowing where you are going, you can get overwhelmed pretty easily. If you ease into it though then after a short time you can be kind of amazed at what you can understand that just a short while before would have seemed like hieroglyphics.

[SintoDinto]

"Oh, Allah. I seek counsel from your knowledge and from your power I seek strength and I ask you of your immense favor, for verily, you are able while I am not and verily you know while I do not and you are Knower of the Unseen. If in your knowledge (doing such and such) is good for me in relation to my deen, life and end, then facilitate it for me and make it easy for me, and if in your knowledge it is bad for me my life and end, then keep it away from me and keep me away from it and grant me what is good wherever it may be and make me satisfied with such. Ameen"

Istikharah opens doors.



Ah, yes. Reality. I'm around the same age. My story is different though. I actually never settled in on a career and have reached a financial ceiling that I am now trying to get past in order to satisfy my obligations and needs. The Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam) when deciding between two or more halal choices went with the easiest. Whichever is best for you and your needs, go with.



I can help you figure out which path you want to take bro so you don't have to waste time and you can get a feel for the market. Check out the resources I gave before and let me know what you think. With IT, it's learning a bunch of little detailed technical knowledge which you have to practice to get a knack for. Learn a little, practice a lot, learn a little more. Repeat. There is a lot to learn and if you dive in without knowing where you are going, you can get overwhelmed pretty easily. If you ease into it though then after a short time you can be kind of amazed at what you can understand that just a short while before would have seemed like hieroglyphics.

I think I should get a Comp TIA A+ certification so I should get a better job faster. With western governors university you can finish with a tech degree faster, but i dont wanna risk it. I need to get married. I can't work in grocery forever. But I got rejected from the first girl, so I'm considering a second one. I think the reason I gave up on the certification was because I was going to school at the time and working, but if I just focus on that and not a bachelor's degree it should be fine, plus, I was trying to quit the secret habit, but when I relapsed, that's when it all came crashing down, because I get really drowsy for days even when that happens, and it hurts my memory.

[Labayk]

https://www.cybrary.it/course/comptia-a-plus/

I started taking this very course myself. Highly recommend it. It's not too pricy either. Check it out.

YouTube Get started with CompTIA A+ training from Cybrary and earn your A Plus certification on your own time and at your own pace. Why wait? Start today!...

[Imraan]

https://www.cybrary.it/course/comptia-a-plus/

I started taking this very course myself. Highly recommend it. It's not too pricy either. Check it out.

YouTube Get started with CompTIA A+ training from Cybrary and earn your A Plus certification on your own time and at your own pace. Why wait? Start today!...

your user name reminds me of 'al baik'.... fried chicken n fish chain in saudi.... now i'm hungry

[Scimitar]

Oh I just researched on google the answer to my other question in my previous post. I dont need a degree to become an interpreter, so I suppose I should work on one of my languages, especially turkish since its the easiest for me, and work somewhere, although there arent alot of turkish interpreter jobs where i live. i might have to move to another city or state (how you say...province?) within the USA

would you like to transcribe videos from English to Turkish?

[SintoDinto]

would you like to transcribe videos from English to Turkish?

That actually sounds kinda cool, especially if youre asking me to trasnscribe videos from dawah digital into turkish, but a doctor im seeing thinks i should drop the career hunt for now and focus on my current "job" (not
"career" as they say,) and focus on spending time on working on my social skills and impulsivity treatment.

[Scimitar]

Do as the Doctor says, I pray you come through this and be a better you.

If you ever wanna take me up on my offer, I’ll be here.

God bless

[SintoDinto]

I was gonna take up scimi's offer for translation, but then i realized his channel might contain imran nazar hossein content. anyway, i was going to study to become a doctor, being assured by an imam there is no other choice but to take up the loan, but.........also, med school is super hard, and i am an hsp, (highly sensitive person) meaning i have an overactive nervous system and am high in sensory processing sensitivity according to psychologists. combine this with everything else and med school will be extremely taxing, not to mention my gpa is low. i was going to study biology, but im starting to get into sin. i stopped looking up 'porn' but nowadays i masturbate to less inappropriate images like fashion on pinterest. im also starting to have trouble avoiding free mixing and though my obsessions with the opposite gender have gotten less, they've taken on different forms like the ones mentioned above. my mother's signing me up for a phlebotomy course so after i FIIIINNNNNNAAALLLY get my associate's degree in general studies/liberal arts, i can have a profession and possibly be in a position to get married. im just worried i could have done better. im extremely intelligent according to everyone i meet irl and my iq is in the 99th percentile. i just dont know if i can handle school.

[Scimitar]

I was gonna take up scimi's offer for translation, but then i realized his channel might contain imran nazar hossein content.

I made those videos private over a month ago.

[Labayk]

@SintoDinto Are you able to send/receive PMs?

[SintoDinto]

@SintoDinto Are you able to send/receive PMs?

I can receive them, but my messages must be approved.

[Labayk]

I tried to send you one but it said you're not accepting PMs.

[SintoDinto]

I tried to send you one but it said you're not accepting PMs.

just tell me here