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mrfantastic23
11-30-2023, 06:51 PM
psyhics breaksdown at big bang so u cant say what was before it . thats why they say "we dont know". only Allah swt knows

theoritical frameworks or speculations or hypothesises. there is no any scientifically proven theory yet about what there was before the big bang

im in the opinion nothing existed except God then God started creating. theres a hypothesis that supports this down bellow. from nothing nothing comes also Who created us. it cant come from itself could it? quran verse about "did they create themselfs?". one of views is time started with the big bang and asking what was before it is like asking what is north of the north pole. the universe is contingent dependent finite bcz of begining big bang and expanding universe it says in our holy quran , also even if energy exists who created them it energy before the big bang is speculative, hypothesis etc like said before.

proof of Allah swt is our existence and that he send prophets pbuh them all

for every atheist argument logically. theres counter argument. so its a stalemate. this was said in nouman ali khan belal assad video.

spiritually emotionally and intelectually believe in Allah swt

be kind. this is why have faith. and avoid hellfire. dawah. make muslim friends only. be islamic upgrade urself dont sin do ibadah and have good ahlaq.

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some of the things i asked that might be beneficial for you

"i mean like can you give me some hypothesises about space not existing before the big bang if so what is it called"

One hypothesis related to the concept that "space did not exist before the Big Bang" is the idea of a singularity. In this scenario, the universe is thought to have originated from an extremely small and dense point called a singularity. However, the singularity concept raises challenges and is associated with the breakdown of our current understanding of physics at such extreme conditions.

Another perspective is that the notion of "before" the Big Bang might not be meaningful, as time itself could have started at the moment of the Big Bang. This idea is connected to the concept of a "cosmological singularity" where both time and space might be infinite or undefined.

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It's important to note that these hypotheses are still speculative, and our understanding of the early universe is an active area of research and exploration in theoretical physics and cosmology.

"undefined meaning finite?"

No, when I mentioned "undefined" in the context of a cosmological singularity, it means that our current understanding of physics breaks down at such extreme conditions. In other words, the laws of physics as we currently know them may not be applicable in the extremely dense and small state associated with the singularity.

The term "undefined" here doesn't imply finiteness or infiniteness; rather, it points to the limitations of our current theoretical framework in describing the conditions at the very beginning of the universe. It's an area where our understanding is incomplete, and researchers are exploring new theories to better comprehend these extreme cosmic origins.

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"is there a theoritical framework about the before the big bang that are in opinion of nothing existing?"

The concept of what happened "before" the Big Bang is a topic of speculation and debate in cosmology. Currently, there is no widely accepted theoretical framework that describes the state of the universe before the Big Bang. Some theories propose that time itself may have originated at the Big Bang, making it challenging to talk about a "before" in a conventional sense. Other ideas involve concepts like cosmic inflation or cyclic cosmologies, but none have gained consensus. It's an area where our understanding is still evolving, and researchers continue to explore different possibilities.

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"so according to the singularity scenario there was no space before the big bang?"

In the singularity scenario, the concept of "before" the Big Bang is challenging because the singularity represents an extremely small and dense point where our current understanding of physics breaks down. In this context, the idea of space as we know it might not have existed before the Big Bang.

The singularity hypothesis suggests that the entire universe was compressed into an infinitely small and dense state. At this point, traditional notions of space and time may lose their usual meaning, making it difficult to discuss what happened "before" in a conventional sense. The singularity concept is a theoretical idea, and researchers are actively exploring ways to refine our understanding of the early moments of the universe.

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mrfantastic23
11-30-2023, 06:54 PM
sorry ment say: only theoritical frameworks or speculations or hypothesises. there is no any scientifically proven theory yet about what there was before the big bang
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Ümit
12-01-2023, 09:02 AM
For what I know it all really boils down to this:
Every material thing is contingent...it's existence is dependent ont the state before.an example of this:
the whole universe came from the singularity. But the singularity was also material, so it too was contingent...so this could be repeated infinitely.so some people really do believe that. but here is the problem with that argument:

question 1: say you go to a bakery to buy bread, but the line is infinitely long...would you be able to ever buy bread?

Answer: No, because the line never ends.

question 2: you were however able to buy your bread, what does that say about the line?

Answer: The line was not infinitely long.

So in conclusion, the fact that we exists today is proof that the amount of states before our existing universe CANNOT be repeated infinitely.So there must be a neccessary being at the very beginning...a being not dependent on a state before...a being that always existed...
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mrfantastic23
12-02-2023, 03:48 PM
and forgot to mention: and intelligent design
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