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Malaikah
02-06-2006, 02:52 AM
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sorry if there has already been a thread like this, but i just thought that maybe those people who are very experienced at dealing with refutations might like to give some hints to those of us who are less experienced.

I dont mean that you should explain entire topics to us, but rather explain some skills and share what you have learned from our experienced.

For example: i have noticed that sometimes non-muslims might present a certain argument based on a verse from the Quran, and use this verse to show how God is not merciful and that islam is a violent religion. however the verse is not used in context, and so in context it does make sense that islam is a peaceful religion after all.

id very much appreciate it if you who are more experienced would use this thread to tell us what other possible explainations there could be to arguments presented so that if asked directly, although we might not know the answer to the question, at least we could provide possible explanations, such as that verse must be used in context etc.

sorry that was so long and i really hope you all understand what im trying to say!

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mahdisoldier19
02-06-2006, 03:09 AM
Salam Alaikam

Listen to Dr. Zakir Niak
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Umar001
02-06-2006, 08:36 AM
Lol, yep listen to brother Naik

Peace be with yall

aight well, I am not very experienced, but with every question there is a 'routine' way to decypher it, if you go to the irf website of zakir naik, go to the question and answer place and you see, a pattern builts up, I tend to combine the answering method of Yusuf Estes and Zakir Naik, heres an example of Zakir Naik's routine:

Question:

Doesn’t Islam promote violence, bloodshed and brutality since the Qur’an says that Muslims should kill the kuffar where ever they find them?


Aight here is the question, lol.

Answer:

A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.

1. Verse from Surah Taubah

The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:

"Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]


Notice the points, this is point 1, zakir naik, explains the fact that misquotations can be decieving then produces an example of such misquotation.

2. Context of verse is during battlefield

Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

This verse is quoted during a battle.


Point 2, gives the back ground and context of this verse, and provides verses to show the context.

3. Example of war between America and Vietnam

We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.


3, the example, this is important, to give an example will allow the questioner to see this from a view point more familiar, drawing comparison to things which may have taken part in the questioner's life will help to make them understand the situation more.

4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle

Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.


4. continuation of how the example, and how it relates to the verse.

5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7

Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.


5. this is not really neccesery, but it makes the answer better, plus it gives an insight to the questioner, that there are people whom misquote and probably do it porpusely, and will hopefuly make the questioner think again about his or her sources.

6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer

Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."
[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.


6. Final refutation, which will totally destroy the claim, not only that, but also notice how zakir naik, not only shows taht islam is not violent, but how he says 'But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?' a question which needs no answer, but none the less powerful, this refutes the point and at the same time, shows the beauty of Islaam and its Standard of morals.


It could have been easy to skip most of those points, but engaging with the questioner, when possible, will have more effect, than just saying, read surah 9 ayah 6.

Also I am a revert and I dont know alot of the quran, thought I am learning, so dont worry about having to know the whole of the quran so you can say, Surah this and Surah that, just take some common questions, which u can find on islam tomorow or irf.net and learn them and their answers, which should keep you on your toes, untill you learn enough quran to be able to quote properly from memory.


oh and always practice the answers, and self analyse.


peace be upon yall


p.s the answering routine changes slightly according to the question posed, like, if the question is from inside the quran then steps will differ to a question which is about something outside the quran

hope this has helped
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Malaikah
02-06-2006, 09:54 AM
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Thanks bro. its not exaclty what i was hoping for but it is still great stuff.

What i am looking for isnt really a way to answer things, becuase that requires so much knowlegde etc. I just want to be sure that if any one ever appraoches me and makes some kind of clain, even though i dont know what the person is talking about, i can still say something like "you need to make sure you are looking at that verse in context" if they give me a verse about violence, for example.

What i want is other things i can say.

Another example: "islam oppresses women becuase they have to cover themselves". i might not be able to give a full and in depth reply immediately, but in the short term at least i can reply with some thing like "who knows the creations better than Allah (swt), so we must accept his decision becuase it is full of wisdom".


Any contribution is greatly appreciated. :)

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Umar001
02-06-2006, 11:47 AM
Hmmm,

Peace be with ya

hmmm, *thinks*

well I have read taht the shield of the scholar is 'I dont know' lol so we can do that.

well, if you dont wanna go into details, just remember like 5 ayahs, which are scientific miracles or something, with a short explanation, remember them.

and when a person asks ya a question, I guess, its how good your general knowledge is, first step would be to know who your talking to, ask the person what he beliefs and then give an appropiate answer. like the cover thing, if its a christian then give an example of nuns and so on

Hmm

Aight I dont know if Im making sense

Insh'allah I am lol

Peace be with ya
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justahumane
02-06-2006, 04:12 PM
Hello Salam All,

Holy Quran indeed doesnt promote violence, but this can only be viewed doing in-depth analysis of holy quran. And holy quran is relevent for all times. Now, cant a muslim assume that it may be ALLAH's orders to kill all the mushriks? And why one should forget that holy quran is the book which is not understood prpoerly by overwhelming majority of its own followers. So when muslims can misunderstand holy quran why cant kafirs?

So if Dr. Zakir Naik really want that these misconceptions should be answered he should rather try to tell the Ummah to refrain from the activities which are anti islamic. This will indeed help others to learn that Islam is the religion of peace and not violence.

Thanks
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Ansar Al-'Adl
02-06-2006, 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by cheese
For example: i have noticed that sometimes non-muslims might present a certain argument based on a verse from the Quran, and use this verse to show how God is not merciful and that islam is a violent religion. however the verse is not used in context, and so in context it does make sense that islam is a peaceful religion after all.
http://www.load-islam.com/c/rebuttals/Misquoted

That should take care of that, inshaa'Allah.
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