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SuperJatt
02-16-2006, 04:54 PM
Well, someone told me to come on this forum. I was on another forum and I wasn't really getting the answers I wanted. So one particular member from that forum told me to join this forum. So I did and am here.

Anyway I am a 22 male Pakistani Jatt from England. My mother and father are Muslims however I don't live with them and I don't class myself as a Muslim either. I was raised as a Muslim, I can vaguely remember going to masjid and not liking it much there I used to fall asleep most of the time. Anyway, after I was older I moved out I hardly saw my family and basically I was having a good old time. Until I met this person and we started talking about religion and we got pretty close and deep and she told me "Jesus is our personal Saviour" and I was like thinking maybe she is right, so I thought yeah Christianity is super so I started to research it and I came to the conclusion that its all based on a big-fat lie there was no Jesus it was all made up by the romans, and it was based on paganism I mean the pagan gods prior to that had "virgin births" and I was convinced Jesus probably never existed. So then I was like oh man forget all this, until all this news started about Islam and the militants and all that. I was like wow.

And thats why am here. I do actually believe in a god, even though under my preferences it says "atheist"
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Silver Pearl
02-16-2006, 06:06 PM
Firstly SuperJatt Welcome to LI and I hope you have a pleasant stay.

In Islam we also believe in Jesus (pbuh) and he also existed. We also believe that God sent Jesus (pbuh) with the scripture injeel (bible).

In many cases Muslims are bought up with cultural baggage rather than religion. Culture has overshadowed the true colours of Islam in many societies and people think certain cultural things are religious factors when they are not.

Islam is monotheism, believing in the existence of Allah (God) and that Muhammad (pbuh) was his last messenger.

If you have any specific questions about Islam don’t hesitate to ask and inshallah (god willing) we’ll answer to our best knowledge in reference to the Qur’an and Sunnah.

Some few verses for you to ponder about:

O humanity!
Worship your Lord,
Who created you
and those who were before you
so that you may become pious.
(2:21)

(He) Who has made the earth
a resting place for you,
and the sky as a canopy,
and sent down (rain) water from the sky
and brought forth therewith fruits
as a provision for you.
Then do not set up rivals with Allah
while you know (better).
(2:22)

And if you are in doubt
Concerning that
Which We have sent down
To Our slave,
Then produce a chapter like it
And call your witnesses besides Allah,
If you are truthful.
(2:23)
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The Ruler
02-16-2006, 07:11 PM
ur in the right place to learn bout islam :)

any questions plz do ask :)
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Mohsin
02-18-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by SuperJatt
Well, someone told me to come on this forum. I was on another forum and I wasn't really getting the answers I wanted. So one particular member from that forum told me to join this forum. So I did and am here.

Anyway I am a 22 male Pakistani Jatt from England. My mother and father are Muslims however I don't live with them and I don't class myself as a Muslim either. I was raised as a Muslim, I can vaguely remember going to masjid and not liking it much there I used to fall asleep most of the time. Anyway, after I was older I moved out I hardly saw my family and basically I was having a good old time. Until I met this person and we started talking about religion and we got pretty close and deep and she told me "Jesus is our personal Saviour" and I was like thinking maybe she is right, so I thought yeah Christianity is super so I started to research it and I came to the conclusion that its all based on a big-fat lie there was no Jesus it was all made up by the romans, and it was based on paganism I mean the pagan gods prior to that had "virgin births" and I was convinced Jesus probably never existed. So then I was like oh man forget all this, until all this news started about Islam and the militants and all that. I was like wow.

And thats why am here. I do actually believe in a god, even though under my preferences it says "atheist"

Salam bro, wa questions did you have in mind that weren't gettin answered. Post em in Basics Of Islam and Bros and sisters will answer there inshallah
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S_87
02-18-2006, 03:49 PM
Hey! Welcome :)

Allah willing we will answer any question you have...
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Muhammad
02-18-2006, 04:37 PM
Hello SuperJatt,

Welcome to the forum! I am glad you made it here and decided to ask us about Islam :)

It is very good to see that you are a person who likes to research and find supporting evidence before you take a leap of faith.

Here are some great sites for learning the basics of Islam:
http://www.beconvinced.com
http://www.path-to-peace.com
http://www.load-islam.com
http://www.islamtoday.com

Be sure to also check out the list of Islamic resources here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/educatio...resources.html (Studying Islam - List of Resources)

Further to what has already been said; there are many misconceptions about Islam, especially in light of recent events, which I hope can be clarified through productive dialogue :). Please feel free to ask any questions on any specific issues you may have, and check out the Comparative Religion and Basics of Islam forums for any topics that may be of interest.

Warm Regards.
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M H Kahn
02-18-2006, 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by SuperJatt
Well, someone told me to come on this forum. I was on another forum and I wasn't really getting the answers I wanted. So one particular member from that forum told me to join this forum. So I did and am here.

Anyway I am a 22 male Pakistani Jatt from England. My mother and father are Muslims however I don't live with them and I don't class myself as a Muslim either. I was raised as a Muslim, I can vaguely remember going to masjid and not liking it much there I used to fall asleep most of the time. Anyway, after I was older I moved out I hardly saw my family and basically I was having a good old time. Until I met this person and we started talking about religion and we got pretty close and deep and she told me "Jesus is our personal Saviour" and I was like thinking maybe she is right, so I thought yeah Christianity is super so I started to research it and I came to the conclusion that its all based on a big-fat lie there was no Jesus it was all made up by the romans, and it was based on paganism I mean the pagan gods prior to that had "virgin births" and I was convinced Jesus probably never existed. So then I was like oh man forget all this, until all this news started about Islam and the militants and all that. I was like wow.

And thats why am here. I do actually believe in a god, even though under my preferences it says "atheist"

The God's religion has been the same all along from Adam to until now: Allah is all-powerful over all things. None but Allah is worthy of worship. None but Allah has any spiritual power to do any good or harm.
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shorouk
02-18-2006, 08:31 PM
jesus does have an existence and we as muslims believe in him like we do in prophet muhammed...
the part about him being the son of god is false in islam since it doesnt amke sense for a god who is so super and powerful who craeted all of thsi wrld as complex as can b to have a uman son

so look deep ino islam learn of its miracles and ull see that it just makes sense----------------->
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abdul Majid
02-18-2006, 08:38 PM
we would be happy to help you brother......about that Jesus(as) thing, he is real, in ISLAM we beleive in all the prophets of ALLAH(SWT)...

by the way there's alot of brothers in england, mashallah, im sure if you go to a MASJID, they will be more than happy to help you.... goodluck
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The Ruler
02-18-2006, 08:53 PM
so wat RRR da questions :?
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SuperJatt
02-18-2006, 10:05 PM
Originally Posted by M H Kahn
The God's religion has been the same all along from Adam to until now: Allah is all-powerful over all things. None but Allah is worthy of worship. None but Allah has any spiritual power to do any good or harm.
No offense or anything but that just seems like scaring someone into believing in something that doesn't exist.
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Muhammad
02-19-2006, 01:19 AM
Greetings,

Originally Posted by SuperJatt
No offense or anything but that just seems like scaring someone into believing in something that doesn't exist.
By definition, a God should be All-Powerful - otherwise He wouldn't really be a God.

It is also important to note that there is no compulsion to believe in Islam; rather a person believes by choice. Please see the following thread for more info:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...-religion.html

Peace.
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M H Kahn
02-27-2006, 09:42 AM
Who Muslims Are:

All the people from the first human, Adam (pbuh), to those who will survive up to the Day of Destruction may be classed into (1) believers, (2) disbelievers and (3) misbelievers, of whom your husband was one. The believers were always in the past, they are now in the present and they will be in the future, known as Muslims, meaning submitters to God. ‘Islam’ and ‘Muslim’ are Arabic words for ‘submission’ and ‘submitter’ to God. The present day Muslims, who are guided by the Quran revealed to the final prophet, Muhammed (pbuh), have to believe invariably that all the previous messengers of God from Noah (pbuh) to Jesus (pbuh) also came with the same message that Muhammed (pbuh) was sent with. They all came with the message to ask the strayed humans of their times and climes to believe in God, Who had existed before there was any creation and will exist when the entire creation will be destroyed at His command. He is One and Only having neither any parent nor any children. He has no equal and He alone should be worshipped by the mankind. This is, in short, the message of Islam (meaning submission to the will of God) that all the messengers of God came with. Those who accepted the message without any concoction are believers, or for that matter, Muslims. Therefore, all the messengers of God from Noah (pbuh) to Muhammed (pbuh) are equally loved and respected by the submitters, meaning the Muslims.

The verses of the holy Quran were learnt by heart by Muhammed (pbuh) and his followers as soon as the same were revealed. The verses were at the same time preserved in writing, though not in the form of a complete book as it is available today. But the revelations were to be complied with at once as they were revealed. So it is very evident that when Muhammed (pbuh) addressed Jews, Christians as well as others, he called them all to follow the verses of the Quran that had already been revealed to him. The earlier prophets and the divine books revealed to them, which are not available now in unchanged form, were also sent with the same message of faith, as enunciated in the holy Quran, that God (Who in Arabic language is called Allah) is the sole Creator and Sustainer of everything in the universe and none but He should be worshipped and no partner should be associated with Him in the worship. But with lapse of time and for other reasons, many people moved away from the straight path of submission to God, Who Himself has, with regard to this, said in the Quran:

“He has ordained for you the same Deen (way of life - Islam) which He enjoined on Nüh - and which We have revealed to you O Muhammad - and which We enjoined on Abraham and Musa (Moses) and Isa (Jesus): ‘Establish the Deen of Al-Islam and make no division (sects) in it.’ Intolerable for the mushriks is that to which you O Muhammad call them. Allah chooses for His service whom He wills, and guides to His Way only those who turn to Him in repentance.”[42:13]

“Mankind was one nation having one religion. Later when people invented other religions, Allah appointed Prophets as bearers of good news and warnings; and revealed to them the Book with the True Guidance to settle the matters of dispute between mankind. But the very people to whom it was given started disputes after the clear arguments had come to them, because of rivalry between one another. Allah has guided the believers by His will to the truth in those matters in which they had differences. Allah guides whom He pleases towards the Right Way.” [2:213]

“If only the previous generations had some intelligent people who enjoined them from corruption, they would have been saved. But We saved a few of them, while the rest pursued their material things and became sinners. Your Lord never destroys any community unjustly while the people are righteous.” (11:116-117)

"We gave Moses the scripture, and subsequent to him we sent other messengers, and we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Is it not a fact that everytime a messenger went to you with anything you disliked, your ego caused you to be arrogant? Some of them you rejected, and some of them you killed." 2"87

Though the basic teachings of all the prophets with regard to God and His worship was always the same, yet it is evident from the Quran that the nature and scope of formal worships, such as prayers, fasting, pilgrimage etc., sometimes changed with advent of new prophets, and it was always incumbent upon the mankind of any time to believe in all prophets, not to differentiate among them with respect to their status with Allah, and to abide by the divine code of conduct encoded in the latest book of divine law brought to them by the latest prophet. As the Quran is the latest divine book of law revealed to Muhammed (pbuh), the last of the prophets, after whom no further prophet will be sent by Allah, it is obligatory for all the humans on the earth, living from the time of Muhammed (pbuh) till the day of destruction, to live up to the law encoded in the Quran and guidelines given by Muhammed (pbuh). Even a human, claiming to be living according to the Quran and the guidelines of Allah’s messenger Mohammed (pbuh), cannot be a true submitter if he has any doubt or disrespect about earlier prophets and the divine books revealed to them. Similarly a human living on the earth from the time of Muhammed (pbuh) cannot be a true submitter or Muslim until he has believed in the Quran and the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and lived his life according to the rulings of the Quran and traditions of Mohammed (pbuh). Actually humans are travelers in this life and the 'Home' is in the next life for eternity. We are here for a sojourn only and we cannot take anything with us from this life except our belief in God and our deeds. Thus, we should be living on the earth like travelers passing through a land without any attachment to it. As travelers on this journey, we must understand that the meaning of being alive in this world is to be tested and judged accordingly in the hereafter. Hence, there is suffering, joy, pain and elation; as Allah says:

“We shall surely test your steadfastness with fear and famine, with loss of property, life and produce. Give good news to those who endure with patience; who, when afflicted with calamity, say: ‘We belong to Allah and to Him we shall return.’ Such are the people on whom there are blessings and Mercy from Allah; and they are the ones that are rightly guided.” [2:155-157].

These tests of good and evil are intended to evoke our higher spiritual qualities. Yet, we are incapable of benefiting from these tests unless we do our best, have complete trust in God and patiently accept what He has destined for us. One basic object of Islam is the liberation of man from slavery of any other than God. This is why a submitter or a Muslim calls himself 'Abdullah', meaning the slave or servant of God because enslavement to God liberates him from all other forms of servitude. Although modern man may think that he is liberated, he is in fact a slave to his desires and is generally deceived by this worldly life. He is 'addicted' to wealth, sex, violence, intoxicants, etc. But above all, he is often seduced by the social system that tends to work through the invention of false needs, which he feels must be satisfied instantly. God says in the Qur'an:

“Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life, even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For God sees well all that they do. Say O Muhammad: "Whoever is the enemy of Jibrã'el (Gabriel) should know that he revealed this Qur'an to your heart by God’s command, which confirms previous scriptures, and is guidance and good news for the believers. Let them know that whoever is an enemy to God, His angels, His Messengers, Jibrã'el (Gabriel) and Mika‘el (Michael); Allah is an enemy to such unbelievers.”[2:96-98]

"Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire? Then would you be responsible for him? Or do you think that most of them hear or reason? They are not except as livestock. Rather, they are [even] more astray in [their] way. )”
(25: 43-44)

“You (O Muhammad) are not there to compel them to believe. So admonish with this Qur’an every such person who fears My warning.” [50:45]
“Verily God hath bought of the Believers their lives and their properties for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise: so they fight in the way of Allah and slay and are slain. It (i.e. the promise of Paradise) is a covenant which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Injil and the Qur’an. And who is more faithful unto his covenant than God? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.” (9: 111)

You are the best community ever raised among mankind; your duty is to command people to do good and prevent them from committing evil. [3: 110]

There is no priest or clergy in Islam; religious leaders or scholars are neither ordained persons, nor do they belong to any kind of leadership hierarchy. Rather, they are simply individual Muslims who have acquired more religious knowledge than the average believer. Allah enjoins upon you have to ask whatever you need for to Allah alone by yourself without any intermediary. There is no intermediary between the Creator and the creation. God’s messengers were warners only; they will also face the same trial like the messaged in the hereafter. So, if someone calls any messenger for help or asks Allah to grant him anything for the sake of the messenger, he will be associating the messenger with Allah and Allah has declared in the Quran that He will never forgive such sin. A believer, therefore, must remain vigilant that he does not associate any person or thing with Allah directly or indirectly either in faith or in any action.
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