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Lush
02-19-2006, 06:35 AM
Something I often hear around Muslims is that "people of the Book are to be respected." From what I understand, this statement includes Christians and Jews.

But what if you're neither? I was born into a Russian Orthodox tradition, but I lost my faith in it. I do not consider myself to be a person "of the Book," and am not interested in hitching my proverbial wagon to any particular religion at this time.

Should I somehow be treated differently? And what does "respect" mean anyway? And does anyone out of the realm of "the Book" deserve immediate disrespect.

I've had many conversations with Muslims on this subject. Some just laugh it off, but I did have a Chechen acquaintance tell me that he felt sorry for me because I was "going to hell." I'm used to many differeny people tell me that I'm "going to hell," so I didn't mind it at that point, but it made me wonder.

I was wondering what the members of this forum have to say about this "of the Book" stuff, and whether or not it means something to them.
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Sister Khadija
02-19-2006, 07:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lush
Something I often hear around Muslims is that "people of the Book are to be respected." From what I understand, this statement includes Christians and Jews.

But what if you're neither? I was born into a Russian Orthodox tradition, but I lost my faith in it. I do not consider myself to be a person "of the Book," and am not interested in hitching my proverbial wagon to any particular religion at this time.

Should I somehow be treated differently? And what does "respect" mean anyway? And does anyone out of the realm of "the Book" deserve immediate disrespect.

I've had many conversations with Muslims on this subject. Some just laugh it off, but I did have a Chechen acquaintance tell me that he felt sorry for me because I was "going to hell." I'm used to many differeny people tell me that I'm "going to hell," so I didn't mind it at that point, but it made me wonder.

I was wondering what the members of this forum have to say about this "of the Book" stuff, and whether or not it means something to them.
Assalam Alakium, Peace be with You

Interaction with Non Muslim
Islam is a religion of mercy, tolerance and moderation. It teaches its followers to be moderate in all fields and walks of life, in aspects of worship, in dealing with others and in interaction with members of other faiths. Being extreme in one way or another would entail going against the pristine teachings of Allah Most High and His beloved Messenger (Allah bless him & give him peace).

If one was to look at the various texts of the Qur’an and Sunnah with regards to interaction and communication with non-Muslims, this aspect (of moderation) would become even more manifest and clear. On one hand, Islam commands us not to love and befriend non-Muslims, whilst many other texts and the practices of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and his companions (Allah be pleased with them) indicate that one should treat non-Muslims in the most respectful and amicable of ways.

Unfortunately, those who do not have a deep understanding of Islam seem to think there is a contradiction in the teachings of Islam with regards to how one’s behaviour should be towards non-Muslims. They see the various texts of the Qur’an and Sunnah admonishing those who have close relationship and friendship with non-Muslims, whilst other texts seem to indicate that having good ties with non-Muslims is permitted and encouraged. Similarly, some non-Muslims point fingers at Islam and its followers that Islam teaches hatred, violence and revulsion against non-Muslims.

However, with the above explanation, it becomes clear that both these understandings are way off the mark. There is no contradiction in the teachings of Islam; neither does Islam teach its followers to have hatred for fellow human beings even if they be from another faith. The reality is that Islam teaches moderation. It allows Muslims to have a good relationship with non-Muslims but to a certain limit. This becomes clearer by looking at the various texts of the Qur’an and the practices of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and his companions.

There are many verses of the Qur’an that prohibit one from having close and intimate relationship with non-Muslims, for example:

1) Allah Most High says in the Qur’an:

“Let not the believers (Muslims) take for friends Unbelievers (non-Muslims) rather than believers. And whoever does that has no relation with Allah whatsoever, except by way of precaution that you may guard yourselves from them.” (Surah Ali Imran, V: 28)

Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas (Allah have mercy on him) states in the explanation of this verse:

“The statement of Allah [except by way of precaution that you may guard yourselves from them] means, if you fear for your life or limbs of your body from them, then you may save yourselves from them by expressing friendship with disbelievers without it being from the heart…..This is the opinion of the majority of scholars.” (Ahkam al-Qur’an, 2/289)

2) Allah Most High says:

“O you who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends offering them (your) love…” (Surah al-Mumtahina, V: 1)

Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas (Allah have mercy on him) states that this verse was revealed regarding the Companion Hatib ibn Abi Balta’a (Allah be pleased with him) who wrote to the non-believers of Quraysh giving them guidelines (with regards to their safety and other such matters). He did so, as he feared for his wealth and children that he had left behind in Makka…” (Ahkam al-Qur’an, 5/325)

3) And:

“O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you”. (Surah Ali Imran, V: 118)

4) And:

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends. They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them.” (Surah al-Ma’idah, V: 51)

Imam Ibn Kathir (Allah have mercy on him) states in the commentary of this verse:

“Allah Most High prohibits (in this verse) his believing servants from having close friendship and intimacy with the Jews and Christians – those who are enemies of Islam and its people…” (Tasir Ibn Kathir, 2/94)

5) And:

“You shall not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred.” (Surah al-Mujadala, V: 22)

The above few verses of the Qur’an indicate that it is unlawful to have close friendship and intimacy (muwalat) with non-Muslims, even if they were related to one. However, many other texts of the Qur’an and Sunnah, the action and practice of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), his companion’s treatment of non-Muslims all indicate that one should treat non-Muslims with sympathy, generosity, compassion and concern.

1) Allah Most High says:

“Allah forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just.” (Surah al-Mumtahina, V: 8)

2) And:

“O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” (Surah al-Ma’idah, V: 8)

In the above two verses, Allah Most High commands us to treat non-Muslims justly and honourably. The dislike of their beliefs should not prompt a Muslim to treat them unfairly.

The beloved Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), who was sent as a mercy for the whole of mankind, demonstrated such kindness, compassion, generosity and politeness towards non-Muslims that it is difficult to find similar examples in history.

When Makka al-Mukarrama was in the grip of famine, he personally went out to help his enemies who had made him leave his home town. At the conquest of Makka, all his enemies came under his power and control, yet he set them all free saying that not only are you being given amnesty today but rather you are also forgiven for what you have done in the past. When non-Muslim prisoners of war were presented before him, he treated them with such kindness and tenderness as one would treat his own children. His enemies inflicted upon him all sorts of injuries and pain but he never raised his hand in revenge neither did he wish ill for them, rather he would pray for their guidance. A delegation from the tribe of Banu Thaqifa (who had yet not accepted Islam) came to visit him, and was given the honour of staying in the Mosque of the Prophet, a place regarded by Muslims to be the most sacred of places. (See: Ma’arif al-Qur’an, 2/51)

There are many more such examples in the life of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace). The episode of Ta’if, the treaty of Hudaybiyya and many other such events quite categorically demonstrate the viewpoint of Islam with regards to treating and dealing with non-Muslims.

Likewise, the Companions (sahaba) of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also treated non-Muslims with tenderness and kindness. They gave them their just rights and did not oppress them in any way.

Thus, we see that Islam forbids its followers from being very intimate with non-Muslims, but at the same time, it does not prevent one from treating them in a tender and generous manner. Based on the above-mentioned two kinds of examples found in Islamic literature, the scholars and jurists have categorized friendship with non-Muslims into four level and stages:

1) Muwalat or Mawadda: This means to have close and intimate relationship and deep love and affection from one’s heart.

This kind of relationship is reserved only for Muslims; hence it will not be permitted for a Muslim to have this type of friendship with non-Muslims. The verses of the Qur’an prohibiting Muslims from having intimate and close friendship with non-Muslims, especially the first verse of Surah al-Mumtahina, is regarding this kind of relationship.

2) Mudarat: This means to express friendship and love only outwardly without having love for them and their beliefs internally. It is a mere outward expression of the first stage (muwalat), hence it entails being pleasant, friendly, polite and kind towards non-Muslims. It involves expressing good manners, courtesy and good behaviour towards fellow human beings.

This kind of relationship with non-Muslims is permitted, as it is reserved for all human beings, whether Muslim or non-Muslim. This becomes even more important when the objective is to safeguard one’s self from potential harm, invite them towards Islam or when they are one’s guests. The verse of the Qur’an where Allah says “except by way of precaution that you may guard yourselves from them” refers to this type of relationship. However, if one fears corrupting his religious values, then this type of friendship will not be permitted with non-Muslims.

3) Muwasat: This means to help, assist and benefit non-Muslims. It includes charitable help and support, condolences and consolations, and removing harm, such as giving water to a thirsty non-Muslim or food to someone who is hungry.

This is also permitted with all types of non-Muslims except those who are directly at war with Muslims. The verse of the Qur’an where Allah Most High says: “Allah forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just” refers to this kind of relationship with non-Muslims.

4) Mu’amalat: This means to deal, transact and trade with non-Muslims. This is also permitted with all non-Muslims except when it is harmful to Islam and Muslims in general. (Culled from: Ahkam al-Qur’an, al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, Ma’arif al-Qur’an, 2/50-51, Jawahir al-Fiqh, 179-193 and Ifadat Ashrafiyya, P: 11)

The above clearly illustrates the need for Muslims to be moderate with regards to their interaction with non-Muslims. Unfortunately, some Muslims are victims of immoderation in one way or another.

Some become quite extreme in their treatment of non-Muslims, in that they consider all kind of contact with non-Muslims to be sinful. They are quite aggressive in their approach towards non-Muslims and also consider Muslims who have any sort of relationship with non-Muslims to be sinful.

This approach is incorrect, as we can see quite clearly from the verses of the Qur’an provided above and from the practice of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and his noble Companions (Allah be pleased with them all). These people should realize that Islam did not spread through force or aggression, rather people inclined towards Islam by appreciating the amazing behaviour exhibited by Muslims. Many great personalities such as Khalid ibn al-Walid, Amr ibn al-Ass and others (Allah be pleased with them) accepted Islam when they observed the devastating behaviour of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in the treaty of al-Hudaybiyya. People were shocked and amazed to see such behaviour expressed even towards enemies, hence they were inclined towards Islam.

Today, we have a great opportunity in propagating Islam amongst non-Muslims. There has never been a better time to do Da’wa, but it will be the Muslims who are either a cause of non-Muslims entering into Islam or otherwise. Muslims must ensure that their bad manners and ill behaviour is not a cause in preventing people from accepting Islam. If our actions prevent others from entering this beautiful religion of Allah, then we will be accountable for this in the hereafter.

On the other hand, some Muslims become so close and intimate with non-Muslims to the point that there remains no difference between belief and disbelief. The Qur’an in many verses prohibited us from loving non-Muslims in our hearts; hence it will not be permitted to love them and their beliefs from one’s heart. Yet, some Muslims sit, eat, live and mingle with non-Muslims as though it does not matter whether one believes or otherwise. This is the other extremism which must also be avoided. A Muslim’s life has a purpose which is to live a life that is in accordance with the commands of Allah Almighty and his beloved Messenger (Allah bless him & give him peace), hence true love can only be for those who share the same purpose and not for those who reject this basic purpose of life.

Based on the above explanation, let us now look at some specific fiqhi issues relating to Muslim – non-Muslim relationship:

Giving and accepting gifts from non-Muslims

It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, one of the leading reference works in the Hanafi School:

“Imam Muhammad (Allah have mercy on him) has recorded (apparently) conflicting narrations in his al-Siyar al-Kabir, some indicating that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) accepted gifts from non-Muslims whilst others indicate that he did not, hence it is necessary to reconcile between these (apparently) contradicting narrations….

Faqih Abu Ja’far al-Hindawani stated that the narration wherein the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did not accept the gift of a non-Muslim is interpreted to be in the case where the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) thought that the person giving the gift was under the impression that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was striving in order to acquire wealth and not to elevate the word of Allah, hence it will not be permitted to accept a gift from such an individual in our times also. And the narration wherein the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did accept the gift of a non-Muslim is where the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) thought that the person giving the gift did acknowledge that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was fighting for Islam and the elevation of the word of Allah and not for any materialistic gain, hence it will be permitted to accept a gift from such an individual in our times also.

Some (Hanafi) scholars reconciled (the apparently contradicting narrations) in another way, stating that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did not accept a gift of a non-Muslim where he thought that by accepting his gift his solidarity would weaken, lose respect and would have to soften his approach, and he accepted the gift of a person where he did not fear the abovementioned things.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/347-348)

The above text of al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya indicates that there is nothing wrong in accepting and giving a gift to a non-Muslim provided one does not fear any harm to one’s faith. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did not accept a gift from non-Muslims where he feared that it would be harmful for the Muslims, and he accepted the gift when there was no such fear. Rather, when there is some benefit in giving and accepting gifts, such as the hope of one accepting Islam, one should give and accept gifts. Yes, if one fears some harm with regards to one’s faith, a gift should not be given or taken.

As far as giving and accepting gifts during the period of non-Muslim religious festivals is concerned, such as at the time of Christmas, Diwali, etc, it would be permitted, as it is not per se a religious act, but a social custom. The intention in giving gifts is not to respect the religious festival, rather to respect and show courtesy to the one whom the gift is given, as pointed out by Imam Ashraf Ali al-Tahanawi (Allah have mercy on him) in his renowned Imdad al-Fatawa, 3/482)

Therefore, it will be permitted to give and accept gifts during the Winter Break with the intention of bringing a non-Muslim closer to Islam, provided two conditions are met:

a) The gift should not be with the intention of celebrating a non-Muslim festival, rather merely showing courtesy to a fellow human being,

b) The gift should not be something that is connected to the non-Muslim religious festival, such as a Christmas tree.

Inviting non-Muslims for food and accepting their invitation

It is permitted to invite a non-Muslim for dinner at one’s house occasionally due to strengthening family ties or other social ties. Without such a need, one should avoid making a habit. Similarly, it will be permitted to accept such an invitation from a non-Muslim, provided one is sure that the food is Halal and no other unlawful activities are taking place. (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/347)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also accepted the invitation of a non-Muslim by eating at his house (See: Ibn Qudama, al-Mugni, 7/3) similarly, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) invited non-Muslims to his house. (Sahih Muslim, no: 2063)

It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

“Is it permissible to eat with a fire-worshipper or any other non-believer? It has been related from Hakim Imam Abd al-Rahman al-Katib that if a Muslim was confronted with this once or twice, then there is nothing wrong with that, but to make a habit of doing this would be disliked.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/347)

Attending non-Muslim religious festivals

It would not be permitted for a Muslim to attend the religious festivals and ceremonies of non-Muslims, as this would entail approving of their faith. By taking part in their religious festivals, one will be indirectly approving of their disbelief (kufr) and their religion. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade Muslims from even offering their own Salat at the time of sunrise, zenith and sunset, for there was an element of outwardly resembling the sun-worshippers.

Visiting a sick non-Muslim

There is nothing wrong in visiting a non-Muslim who is ill (iyada), whether a Christian or Jew. (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/348) The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is reported to have visited non-Muslims when they were ill, as it is evident from the Sunnah literature.

Visiting and offering condolences at the time of bereavement

It is permitted to visit a non-Muslim to offer one’s condolences for a family bereavement. It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

“If a non-Muslim dies, one may say to the deceased’s father or some other relative of his: “May God recompense you with someone better and honour you with Islam, and that He bestow you with a Muslim child…” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/348)

Thus, it will be permitted to visit a non-Muslim in the event of a family bereavement, but the condolences offered should be along the lines of him/her being bestowed by Allah with someone better than the non-believer who died.

Attending the funeral ceremony of a non-Muslim

It is permitted to attend the funeral of a non-Muslim parent, relative, neighbour, or associate. It is stated in al-Bahr al-Ra’iq:

“And one may follow their (i.e. a kafir’s) funeral from afar...” (al-Bahr al-Ra'iq, 2/205)

However, it will not be permitted to attend a religious funeral ceremony, especially when it entails praying for a non-Muslim after his/her death. Supplicating and praying for a non-Muslim after his/her death, sending him rewards (isal al-Thawab) and other such matters are all unlawful. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was prevented from praying for his uncle Abu Talib by Allah Most High. Similar was the case of Sayyiduna Ibrahim (peace be upon him).

Allah Most High says:

“It is not for the Prophet and those who believe to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin after it has become clear that they are people of hell-fire.” (Surah al-Tawba, V: 113)

However, it will be permitted to pray for the guidance of a non-Muslim when he/she is alive, hoping that he/she is guided and accepts Islam. It will also be permitted to pray for the good-health and well-being of a particular non-Muslim. (See: al-Mawsu’a al-Fiqhiyya, Kuwait)

Non-Muslims entering the Masjid

It is permitted for Muslims to give non-Muslims permission to enter the Masjid, especially for Da’wa purposes. It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

“There is nothing wrong with non-Muslims (dhimmis) entering the Haram of Makka (al-Masjid al-Haram) and all other Mosques. This is the sound opinion in the Madhhab, as mentioned in al-Muhit of Sarakhsi.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/346)

Muslims entering non-Muslim places of worship

It is prohibitively disliked (makruh) for a Muslim to enter a non-Muslim place of worship such as a church or synagogue (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/346), unless there is some benefit that overcomes the harm.

Standing up for a non-Muslim out of respect

It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

“If a non-Muslim (dhimmi) enters upon a Muslim and he (Muslim) stands up for him; if he stands up with the hope of the non-Muslim entering Islam, then there is nothing wrong with that. However, if one stands up without having this intention or stands up due to the non-Muslim being wealthy, then that is disliked.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/348)

Therefore, it would be permissible to stand up for a non-Muslim without having respect for his/her faith in one’s heart, and that this is done for some diplomatic reason, such as the hope of the non-Muslim accepting Islam or preventing enmity and hatred. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also stood up for Ikrima Ibn Abi Jahl (leader of the Quraysh) and Adi ibn Hatim (leader of the tribe of Banu Tay) before they had accepted Islam. However, one should avoid standing up for a non-Muslim showing respect to his faith and beliefs.

Shaking hands with non-Muslims

There is nothing wrong (la ba’s) in shaking hands of a Christian (i.e. non-Muslim) neighbour (and other associates) after returning from a journey (and the like) if the non-Muslim is offended by not shaking his hands.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/348)

However, one must ensure not to commit anything else unlawful, such as shaking the hands of a non-Mahram of the opposite gender.

Giving Zakat and/or other charities to non-Muslims

There is scholarly consensus (ijma’) that Zakat cannot be given to non-Muslims, as mentioned by Imam al-Kasani, Ibn Qudama, Buhuti, and others. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) specified that Zakat is to be taken from amongst the wealthy Muslims and distributed amongst the poor Muslims. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 1365)

However, it is permitted to help and assist needy non-Muslims by giving them other forms of charity, as this would be a form of showing them kindness and dealing justly with them, commanded by Allah Most High in the Qur’an. Yes, if it is feared that the money will be used against Islam and Muslims, then one must not give them any charitable assistance.

Finally, one should always remember that our love, hate, respect and dislike relate to actions and not the person committing these actions. Thus, we dislike the act of disbelief (kufr) but we do not hate non-Muslims as they are also the creation of Allah, hence non-Muslims deserve the same rights as Muslims. May Allah Most High give us the ability to live a life that is in accordance with His and His beloved Messenger’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) pleasure, Ameen.

And Allah knows best

Salaam,
SisterKhadija:sister:
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Lush
02-19-2006, 07:42 AM
Thanks for the beneficial reading, Khadija. I really like that name, it's the name of my boyfriend's grandmother, a great lady. :)

I'm still not exactly sure if there is a destinction to be made between non-Muslims who are people of the Book, and non-Muslims who are not.
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Khaldun
02-19-2006, 08:04 AM
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Naturally all people cant be believers; as Allah clearly tells us;

And most men will not believe though you desire it eagerly. [Surah Yusuf Ayah 103]

And it is even said;


And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all together; will you then force men till they become believers?
[Surah Yunus Ayah 99]
I'm still not exactly sure if there is a destinction to be made between non-Muslims who are people of the Book, and non-Muslims who are not.
The thing is we as muslims have got common ground with Jews and Christians in that we beleive in the same God


We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him.
[Surah Ankabut Ayah 46]

And we are closer to the Chrisitans as Allah Himself has informed us


Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
[Surah Maidah Ayah 82]

Although many Christians have strayed far with regards to the Trinity.

Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely, Allah-- He is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could control anything as against Allah when He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and all those on the earth? And Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them; He creates what He pleases; and Allah has power over all things,
[Surah Maidah Ayah 17]

However Allah warns us in making generalisations.

They are not all alike; of the followers of the Book there is an upright party; they recite Allah's communications in the nighttime and they adore (Him).

They believe in Allah and the last day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and they strive with one another in hastening to good deeds, and those are among the good. [Surah Ale Imran Ayah 113-114]

N.B If they accept Islam that is.

Thus the respect mentioned is due to the fact that they were the receivers of the Books of old and prophets where raised amongst them.
And if you take time out and actually read the Quran you will find many invitations towards the People of the Book to believe and similarly to the non-Believer


O followers of the Book! indeed Our Apostle has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah;

With it Allah guides him who will follow His pleasure into the ways of safety and brings them out of utter darkness into light by His will and guides them to the right path.
[Surah Maidah Ayah 15-16]
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Lush
02-19-2006, 08:07 AM
Thanks! Perhaps you'd be interested to know that my first reading of the Quran was perpetuated by a Russian Orthodox priest. He seems to believe a lot of the same things about Muslims as Muslims do about Christians. :)
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Sister Khadija
02-19-2006, 08:15 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lush
Thanks for the beneficial reading, Khadija. I really like that name, it's the name of my boyfriend's grandmother, a great lady. :)

I'm still not exactly sure if there is a destinction to be made between non-Muslims who are people of the Book, and non-Muslims who are not.
Thanks Lush!

When I converted I decided not to chnage my name, but to pick an Islam nickname and choose Khadija after Prophet Muhammed's (Peace be with him) wife when he received the calling to start his Prophethood.

Khadija al-Kubra daughter of Khuwaylid ibn Asad ibn Abdul-`Uzza ibn Qusayy was from the Banu Hashim clan of the tribe of Banu Asad. Khadija stands out in Islamic history not only for her loving support for her husband, but because her very existence continues to defy popular perceptions of women’s roles in Islam. She was not a woman who was oppressed, submissive, or subjugated. On the contrary, in her day she was a successful businesswoman, who achieved her wealth by hiring agents whom she entrusted to travel with her caravan and trade on her behalf. In fact, Khadija's caravan equaled the caravans of all other traders of the people of Quraysh combined.

Khadija was a kind-hearted, giving woman known to frequently assist the poor and needy, assist relatives financially, and those who could not afford marriage. It was in 595 A.D. that Khadija began enquiring about employing an agent to travel to Syria for trade. A relative, Abu Talib, recommended that she employ her distant relative Muhammad ibn Abdullah (pbuh). At that time, Muhammad (pbuh) was known throughout as 'Al-Amin', the trustworthy. Khadija met Muhammad (pbuh) when she was a widow and it was through their work arrangement that Khadija came to know Muhammad (pbuh) and became so impressed by his honesty and sincerity that she offered her hand in marriage.

format_quote Originally Posted by Lush
I'm still not exactly sure if there is a destinction to be made between non-Muslims who are people of the Book, and non-Muslims who are not.
Non-Muslims that are referred to as "People of the Book" throughout the Qur'an refer to those who received the previous Scriptures being Jews and Christians only. This is becasue you have to read the quotes within context. GOD is talking to them directly with rememberance of events past and warnings.

Non-Muslims that are not "People of the Book" are not referred to as a title like this. There are mentions like "All Mankind" are the sort similar which then would refer to you as an Atheist or Agnostic.

Here are some translation quotes from the Qur'an that refer to Non-Muslim Non-People of the Books.

60:8 As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: [9] for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.

5:57 O you who have attained to faith! Do not take for your friends such as mock at your, faith and make a jest of it-be they from among those who have been vouchsafed revelation before your time, or [from among] those who deny the truth [of revelation as such] -but remain conscious of God, if you are [truly] believers:

98:6 Verily, those who [despite all evidence] are bent on denying the truth[be they] from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide: they are the worst of all creatures.

2:213 ALL MANKIND were once one single community; [then they began to differ - ] whereupon God raised up the prophets as heralds of glad tidings and as warners, and through them bestowed revelation from on high, setting forth the truth, so that it might decide between people with regard to all on which they had come to hold divergent views. Yet none other than the selfsame people who had been granted this [revelation] began, out of mutual jealousy, to disagree about its meaning after all evidence of the truth had come unto them. But God guided the believers unto the truth about which, by His leave, they had disagreed: for God guides onto a straight way him that wills [to be guided].

3:19 Behold, the only [true] religion in the sight of God is [man's] self-surrender unto Him; and those who were vouchsafed revelation aforetime took, out of mutual jealousy, to divergent views [on this point] only after knowledge [thereof] had come unto them. But as for him who denies the truth of God's messages - behold, God is swift in reckoning!

4:136 O you who have attained to faith! Hold fast unto your belief in God and His Apostle, and in the divine writ which He has bestowed from on high upon His Apostle, step by step, as well as in the revelation which He sent down aforetime: for he who denies God, and His angels, and His revelations, and His apostles, and the Last Day, has indeed gone far astray.

4:137 Behold, as for those who come to believe, and then deny the truth, and again come to believe, and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of the truth - God will not forgive them, nor will He guide them in any way.

14:18 [This, then, is] the parable of those who are bent on denying their Sustainer: all their works are as ashes which the wind blows about fiercely on a stormy day: [in the life to come,] they cannot achieve any benefit whatever from all [the good] that they may have wrought: for this [denial of God] is indeed the farthest one can go astray.

2:6 BEHOLD, as for those who are bent on denying the truth - it is all one to them whether thou warnest them or dost not warn them: they will not believe.

2:7 God; has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and over their eyes is a veil; and awesome suffering awaits them.



Let me know if you have more questions and I will do my best to answer.

Peace,
Sister Khadija :sister:
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Lush
02-19-2006, 08:16 AM
Thank you! :)

"Awesome suffering"! Yikes!
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abdul Majid
02-19-2006, 08:25 AM
hey lush

http://www.islamtomorrow.com

check this out
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root
02-19-2006, 07:17 PM
Just as a side note to those long posts, remember in Islam Mother Teressa is now in the deep bowls of hell! Such a god I don't care much to be part of since Idi Armin showed more compassion.
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Muezzin
02-19-2006, 07:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by root
Just as a side note to those long posts, remember in Islam Mother Teressa is now in the deep bowls of hell! Such a god I don't care much to be part of since Idi Armin showed more compassion.
Tee-hee. Her fate is unknown to us mere mortals. God decides whether she ends up in heaven or hell.

If you don't believe in God or the afterlife, she's just in some blank void. What a jip. :( :p
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root
02-19-2006, 07:33 PM
Tee-hee. Her fate is unknown to us mere mortals. God decides whether she ends up in heaven or hell.
A clear case of shifting the goal posts I would say mixed with a reluctance to accept the point.
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Khaldun
02-19-2006, 10:12 PM
:sl:
Just as a side note to those long posts, remember in Islam Mother Teressa is now in the deep bowls of hell! Such a god I don't care much to be part of since Idi Armin showed more compassion.
I fail to understand how this relates to the issue of this thread which clearly was about people that did not belong to the Scriptures and what Islam says about them, talk about shifting goal posts...

Please stick to the topic.
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Takumi
02-19-2006, 10:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lush
Something I often hear around Muslims is that "people of the Book are to be respected." From what I understand, this statement includes Christians and Jews.

But what if you're neither? I was born into a Russian Orthodox tradition, but I lost my faith in it. I do not consider myself to be a person "of the Book," and am not interested in hitching my proverbial wagon to any particular religion at this time.

Should I somehow be treated differently? And what does "respect" mean anyway? And does anyone out of the realm of "the Book" deserve immediate disrespect.

I was wondering what the members of this forum have to say about this "of the Book" stuff, and whether or not it means something to them.
Islamic Muslims will treat you nicely. Say nice words to you. Help you when you're in need. You're Allah's creation and our job is to present Islam to you and tell you what it is. Because, that's our job. It's our responsibility. It's the raison d'etre of our existence.

Whether you accept or not, it's your choice. :) We will still treat you nicely. We won't burn your house, or call you names or ridicule your faith because as far as our duty is concerned, if we have tried our best, only Allah can guide you.

If another muslims does injustice to you and it's clear from our investigation that he/she's is the guilty party we will not have any reservation to admonish the guilty party. Justice will not discriminate religious beliefs.
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Ansar Al-'Adl
02-20-2006, 02:17 AM
Lush,
The statement that Muslims are only to respect the people of the book is not true. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh taught us to respect everyone, and he demonstrated this in his actions towards the pagans of Arabia.

Root,
format_quote Originally Posted by root
Just as a side note to those long posts, remember in Islam Mother Teressa is now in the deep bowls of hell!
Nonsense! This is nothing more than your own imagination, and had you even bothered to read the forums you would see that this was already discussed:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...aven-hell.html
No Muslim on the face of the planet could claim with certainty that Mother Teresa or someone in a similar case is going to hell, let alone the deepest part of Hell. We are not allowed to judge, it is God alone who judges everyone according to their circumstances and whether the message had been conveyed to them.
In light of this, I'm amazed that you would make such a claim without any evidence.

Regards
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Abdul Fattah
02-23-2006, 08:08 PM
Just as a side note to those long posts, remember in Islam Mother Teressa is now in the deep bowls of hell! Such a god I don't care much to be part of since Idi Armin showed more compassion.
We don't know that. nobody here on earth has the right to condemn another person to hell with his tongue. Only Allah, the most rightious, can judge us. Only he has knowledge of all the facts that need to be taken into account when judging, and only he has the insight to weigh out that knowlegde. there's a lot of verses in the quran that tell us that people acting in a certain way will be condemned to hell, but then there are others ayath who speak of people acting in certain ways to be rewarded. Some people although condemned for the first might get saved by the second. then there's countless hadeeth of examples of people who were expected to go to jannah but got condemned for a n act, and others who were expected to be condemned but where saved. Just think how dificult it is for us to determine another persons intentions. And the importance of intentions in Islam. Also remember that even though Allah will not punish people that don't deserve it, he will show merci on whom he wishes, even if they would be expected to reside in hell. So the basic line is: Allah knows and we do not.

Oh and not to forget off course, always be afraid :)
Even the prophet (pbuh) didn't know what was going to happen to him in the afterlife.
To outsiders this might seem strange so maybe I should point out that it's not because we fear Allah that we cannot have diffrent emotions for Allah either. Like love, compasion, shelter, thankfullness,...
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sweetangel16
02-24-2006, 03:08 AM
And does anyone out of the realm of "the Book" deserve immediate disrespect.

lush islam muslims are required to respect all people...

just because soem1 is not in the book then they are to b disrespected....

its just ppl of the book are htose u believe that a god exists and with that they many have the same mentality as a muslim...

but all the same with muslims ever1 deserves respect... no matter who they are or wat they are...
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Haadka-Hawd
02-24-2006, 03:45 AM
Very well said sweetangel16


Islam calls to treat well not just human kind but all creations... Poeple of the book just have different way of messaging since in their books they were told about mohamed and islam...

It is more of responsibly rather than special treatment.

In the end, allah knows best ...
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songinwind
02-24-2006, 08:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Takumi
Islamic Muslims will treat you nicely. Say nice words to you. Help you when you're in need. You're Allah's creation and our job is to present Islam to you and tell you what it is. Because, that's our job. It's our responsibility. It's the raison d'etre of our existence.

Whether you accept or not, it's your choice. :) We will still treat you nicely. We won't burn your house, or call you names or ridicule your faith because as far as our duty is concerned, if we have tried our best, only Allah can guide you.

If another muslims does injustice to you and it's clear from our investigation that he/she's is the guilty party we will not have any reservation to admonish the guilty party. Justice will not discriminate religious beliefs.

I want to thank you, for how nicely you explainned and worded this...It even helped me,( a revert)...:) Allah bless you, ameen
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miseshayek
02-24-2006, 10:19 AM
WARNING: This post may better be moved to another thread of its own, since it is somewhat off topic in this one, the way this one has developed. I leave that decision to the moderators.

format_quote Originally Posted by root
Just as a side note to those long posts, remember in Islam Mother Teressa is now in the deep bowls of hell! Such a god I don't care much to be part of since Idi Armin showed more compassion.
Several posters have already responded to the above, indicating that it is untrue, since the final destination of any of us is in the hands of G_d and no one knows another's heart. A very good point. However, the above does raise a point that I have never considered before: namely, what is the Islamic doctrine on the ultimate fate of nonbelievers. [Specific citations from the Qur'an and the Hadith would be appreciated in response.]

One of the reasons I ask is that this is a principal bone of contention between Christians and Jews. The traditional Christian position is that one must accept Jesus as one's personal savior and pray to him to foregive one's sins [or to intermediate with the Father to that end] or one will be damned.

The traditional Jewish position is that one need not be a Jew to be blessed in the world to come, but only abide by the standards of the "Noahide Laws." [I am still a bit skitish about the rule concerning the posting of links, despite assurances to the contrary, but here are a link describing the Nohide Laws http://www.rainbowcovenant.org/pages/3dpage.next.htm versus the Laws binding on Jews http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm. ]

The Christian position is called an "exclusivity position" because it requires one to become a Christian in order to be "saved." The Jewish position is called an "inclusiveness postion" since it provides that anyone is entitled to a blessed reward in the world to come so long as they behave as a "good person" [as defined by the Noahide Laws]. The former rests upon beliefs, the latter more upon acts [or refraining from certain acts].

So, my question is: "What is the Islamic doctrine on this question?" Must one become a Muslim in order to receive paradise and avoid damnation or not? If not, what, if anything, is required?
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Ansar Al-'Adl
02-24-2006, 02:50 PM
Hi miseshayek,
format_quote Originally Posted by miseshayek
So, my question is: "What is the Islamic doctrine on this question?" Must one become a Muslim in order to receive paradise and avoid damnation or not? If not, what, if anything, is required?
God has ordained for humanity one path - to live in submission to Him, worshipping Him alone, enjoning the good and forbiddding the evil. God is not the author of confusion; He has not sent multiple contradictory paths for human beings to follow, but has sent one path of submission to Him.

A Muslim is someone who lives in submission to God by following the guidance of His Prophets. When Prophet Moses pbuh was sent, it was incumbent upon his people to follow him. Thus, Prophet Moses and his followers are considered Muslims. The same is true for Prophet Jesus pbuh. Now that Prophet Muhammad pbuh has been sent, it is necessary for anyone who recieves his message to believe in him and follow him. He is the final prophet who has been sent to all humanity, to guide them back to the message of the previous prophets from which they had deviated. But although one must believe in Prophet Muhammad pbuh when they recieve his message, this does not mean that we can say that a non-muslim will go to Hell, because God is the judge not us. We don't know to what extent that non-muslim attempted to submit to God and follow His guidance.

You may consider this to be the 'exclusive' doctrine, but as Muslims, we believe that submission to God and following the message of His prophets is the one and only true path in life.

I hope that answers your question. :)

I had a question about the Jewish position, which perhaps, you could clarify - does an atheist recieve salvation according to Judaism?

Peace.
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Lush
02-24-2006, 08:14 PM
The traditional Christian position is that one must accept Jesus as one's personal savior and pray to him to foregive one's sins [or to intermediate with the Father to that end] or one will be damned.
Yet another reason why I don't call myself a Christian anymore. I want nothing to do with such a viewpoint!!!
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muslimahh
02-24-2006, 09:48 PM
Hi again Lush :) :loving:


Gonna explain something to people, its interesting and after finding Islam myself (Alhamdulillah) it always seems to get to me :) This is kind of off topic so please bear with me :)

Back in the day I was basically convinced of the existance of God, although nothing else. Just that there is a God somewhere out there.

Eventually Alhamdulillah, Islam came into my life, I don't really know quite how but really, it has given me purpose and has guided me in all of my actions and I'm grateful for it:)

Here is what I always found interesting:


Allah - The word in Arabic for God. Literally Allah is Al-Ilah (Al means The AND Ilah means God) so basically you're worshipping "The God" not a specific man who many think is God or a specific Idol or whatever, just The God, wherever He is, however He is and wherever He is.

The word Muslim literally means to submit yourself to the will of God in arabic. So a Muslim is basically someone who surrenders themselves to the Will of God.

Its really very general. All you need is the Quran in order to know what rules to follow and to know the attributes of God Almighty, simple as that :)
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sargon
03-07-2006, 12:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by muslimahh
Hi again Lush :) :loving:


Gonna explain something to people, its interesting and after finding Islam myself (Alhamdulillah) it always seems to get to me :) This is kind of off topic so please bear with me :)

Back in the day I was basically convinced of the existance of God, although nothing else. Just that there is a God somewhere out there.

Eventually Alhamdulillah, Islam came into my life, I don't really know quite how but really, it has given me purpose and has guided me in all of my actions and I'm grateful for it:)

Here is what I always found interesting:


Allah - The word in Arabic for God. Literally Allah is Al-Ilah (Al means The AND Ilah means God) so basically you're worshipping "The God" not a specific man who many think is God or a specific Idol or whatever, just The God, wherever He is, however He is and wherever He is.

The word Muslim literally means to submit yourself to the will of God in arabic. So a Muslim is basically someone who surrenders themselves to the Will of God.

Its really very general. All you need is the Quran in order to know what rules to follow and to know the attributes of God Almighty, simple as that :)
:sl:
Wow that's something that sounds so much more appealing to me than "fear of going to hell," it's so much more positive than scaring myself... for me at least.

Thanks for posting that :)
:w:
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