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Christian_dove
What did muhammad teach about women? While it is true that Muhammad raised the status of Arabian women in some respects, we cannot let this fact cloud certain other issues, namely, that Muhammad permitted husbands to beat their wives, that he repeatedly proclaimed the inferiority of women’s intellectual abilities, that he taught that women’s prospects for the afterlife are extremely bleak, and that it is acceptable for men to rape their female captives. You have to look at the realities, man.
1. The Quoran allows men to beat their wives into subservience.
Men are the protectors And maintainers of women, Because Allah has given The one more (strength) Than the other, and because They support them From their means. Therefore the righteous women Are devoutly obedient, and guard In (the husband’s) absence What Allah would have them guard.
As to those women On whose part ye fear Disloyalty and ill-conduct, Admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); But if they return to obedience, Seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, Great (above you all).[9]
2. According to Muhammad, women lack common sense because their minds are deficient.
The Prophet said: "Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said: "Yes." He said:
"This is because of the deficiency of her mind."
And: "..the evidence of two women is equal to one man,
that is a proof of the lack of common sense."
"O women! Give to charity, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women." The women asked, "O Allah’s Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He said: "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands.
I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious man astray."
Isn't this from Muhammad?
3. Muhammad offered women little hope for the afterlife.
"I saw paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that
most of the inhabitants were women." The people asked: "O Allah’s Apostle! Why is it so?" The Prophet said: "Because of their ungratefulness." It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said:
"They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds."
4. The Muslim practice of having sex with captured women is reported often in the Hadith, where we find Muslims perplexed about what to do with their captives. Just recently I saw a post in here from a man asking if it was ok for him to have sex with captured woman. The fact that someone ASKS THESE QUESTIONS AT ALL in the years 2006 is pretty disturbing, no matter what answers he may get in here to avoid such behaviour. Because there are bound to be muslims who DO NOT ASK at all because they see the quoran as infailable.. Very disturbing..!
but who decides the new laws?? so christians just decide their own laws and yet they say that the bible is the word of God. if its the word of God then why dont u act upon it. this is the difference between the corrupted bible and the holy quran. we dont play with the word of God, we follow it.
I don't think you understand the concept of democracy. Christians do not "make new laws", however, our society does. Mixing politics with religion is never a smart thing to do, unless all the inhabitants of a country belongs to the same faith and believes the same things. I don't think there is such a place anywhere today. And if you still insists on practicing Sharia laws then you are clearly supressing people who do not believe the same as you do, you are violating their human rights. I don't want to be judged by a muslim court, and in the court, I don't think you would want to be jugded by a jewish or a concervative christian court either, as you do not follow (or understand) our belief. Hence, democracy has to be focusing on the individuals rights, not our religious ideas or laws.
and u said that paul and jesus "prophets" are holy but why dont u attack them for their "backward" culture lool. why did God reveal a law that is cruel against women even in that time.
What christian laws are cruel to women? Paul wasn't a prophet and neither was he holy and neither did he write laws. He had lots of suggestions though, some of which were good, especially in those days. But he was still just a man.
We have come to realize that not all that Paul said in the Bible can be used as a model in the modern world. For instance, he said that women should keep their silence and not speak in public. We have gone away from that, because Jesus held women very high. Those closest to him were in fact women. Norway was the first country in the world to have a female bishop (a position above our priests) and we also have several female priests. It's a controvercy, but I guess most christians accept it as it is an acceptance of women as equal to men. How many female imams do you know of?
About laws; We have based our laws on human rights (not all people are christians here either, and we have to respect those who chose not to believe, that is their human right too..), these laws do not collide with christianity in a way that makes it impossible to live as a christian. Some said that females can't divorce in christianity (was it you?) which is nonsense. Bible clearly states that women can divorce for the right reasons, such as adultry. And our democratic laws gives anyone the right to divorce if they really believe it is for the better.
We are now, here in 2006. There are no countries in the world were women rights are stronger than in the "christian" west. Woman rights is a sign of progress.
islam is the only religion that has freed women 1400 years ago.
And, it really doesn't matter to most people what happened 1400 years ago in terms of human rights. We are now, this is where it happens, and I still see that women are supressed under islam. Or do you disagree? Tell me, what country in the west would stone someone to death for adultry or for becoming pregnant outside of marriage?
u can cut and paste from the quran if u want but everything has been explained by the modz. weve very knowledgeable muslims here who can answer your hate for islam.
I don't have hate for islam, and I think you should restrain from continuing to say so. But I will address things that I find disturbing, yes, just as I will adress things in christianity that I find disturbing. Doesn't mean I hate it, but I see room for improvement... You have to use your head sometimes, and that goes for anyone, including me. (I am not always doing things the correct way either, I know.)