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M H Kahn
03-22-2006, 05:17 PM
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We are told in the Quran that the humans will find no friend and protector but Allah. That is, Allah is the friend and protector of all believing people. But our so many scholars often portrait Muhammed(pbuh) in such a way as if he is the only friend of Allah. But there is nothing like this in the Quran, where Allah has told specifically about Abraham(pbuh) that He took him for a friend: "Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend.
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Link
03-23-2006, 05:47 AM
Mohammad (saw) is habeeballah, and he has a greater closeness to God then any servant, has the highest position in paradise, and is the leader of all Prophets (as) and he is way higher in rank then all previous Prophets (as)
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M H Kahn
03-25-2006, 07:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Link
Mohammad (saw) is habeeballah, and he has a greater closeness to God then any servant, has the highest position in paradise, and is the leader of all Prophets (as) and he is way higher in rank then all previous Prophets (as)
It is never advisable to make a post without specific reference to the Quran and/or an authentic Hadith or Hadiths.

Allah has nowhere in the Quran said that He had taken any prophet as His friend except for Abraham(pbuh). I, therefore, do not find any basis in some people's claim that Muhammed (pbuh) is the only or the best friend of Allah. This is an area in which we have no knowledge. What pleasure do the people derive by spreading rumours in matters which have not been made known to us by Allah? Are they the people who want to worship Muhammed(pbuh) as a partner of Allah?
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M H Kahn
03-25-2006, 08:33 PM
Mohammad (saw) is habeeballah
There is nothing like this in the Quran. You have also failed to mention any other authentic document. The Quran says:For God did take Abraham for a friend.[4:125]
He has a greater closeness to God then any servant,
The Quran says that he is one of the prophets of Allah and nothing more than that.Allah says: Muhammad is no more than a Rasool of Allah, like the Rasools that passed away before him.[3:144]
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Maimunah
03-25-2006, 08:39 PM
all beleivers (muslims) are freinds of allah n we as msulims do not make any
distinction between allah's messengers n prophets (may allah's peace be upon them). he azawajalah knows best of all as he said in the quraan " The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (chapter 2 verse 285)
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Z
03-25-2006, 08:43 PM
Salaam.

Also.

Oh, verily, they who are close to God - no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve: they who have attained to faith and have always been conscious of Him. (10:62-3)
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Maimunah
03-25-2006, 09:09 PM
exactly:)
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M H Kahn
03-26-2006, 01:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by mashaallah
all beleivers (muslims) are freinds of allah n we as msulims do not make any
distinction between allah's messengers n prophets (may allah's peace be upon them). he azawajalah knows best of all as he said in the quraan " The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (chapter 2 verse 285)
There are many other verses in the Quran which clearly prove that Mohammed(pbuh) is nothing more than a prophet of Allah. The Quran does not tell us if there is any special prophet nor the best of the prophets. Allah has not disclosed what status He has granted to his different prophets. Look at these verses:-

3:144 Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels?

2:136 Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

4:125 Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend.

But surprisingly, the prophet-worshipping liars, who do not read the Quran to understand it, have invented many fake stories (which are quite contrary to the Quran) that Muhammed(pbuh) was the first creation of Allah out of His own lights; that all other things were created by Allah for his sake; that he is the best of the prophets; that he alone is the friend of Allah; that he was not a human being;that none will go the heaven without his recommendation; that he is the leader of all the prophets; that the arsh of Allah was honoured by the touch of his shoes when he entered there with his shoes in his feet at time of miraj and so many other like stories.

We all should be aware of those liars who believe in Allah and at the same time worship Muhamme(pbuh) along with Allah and do shirk in the name worship.
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Islamicboy
03-26-2006, 01:55 AM
Salamalikum

But prophet Muhammed S.A.W is the only Prophet who saw Allaah S.W.T
so out of all the prophets he was given the huge oppurtunity correct
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vpb
03-26-2006, 01:58 AM
But prophet Muhammed S.A.W is the only Prophet who saw Allaah S.W.T
so out of all the prophets he was given the huge oppurtunity correct
can u please show the verse from Qur'an?
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M H Kahn
03-26-2006, 05:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Islamicboy
Salamalikum

But prophet Muhammed S.A.W is the only Prophet who saw Allaah S.W.T
so out of all the prophets he was given the huge oppurtunity correct
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This is also a story made known to you by some book-writers and
only Allah knows how far it is true. Even if this story is taken to be true,
yet you cannot invent things that have not been disclosed by Allah. You cannot explain this incident with the sweetness of your story-tellers' mind that the incidednt follows that Muhammed(pbuh) is the best of the prophets, or the dearest and the nearest of Allah and, therefore,he should be worshipped along with Allah; for ascribing unauthentic qualifications to him is tantamount to worshipping him.
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Hashim_507
03-26-2006, 05:12 AM
I am friend of Allah, I am slave of Allah.
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Hashim_507
03-26-2006, 05:17 AM
Ok i am getting on the topic, Prophet Abraham(pbuh) and Muhammed(pbuh) are both friend of Allah.
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vpb
03-26-2006, 05:19 AM
is the word "friend" in Quran (arabic language) too? or they wrote friend when they translated in on English?
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M H Kahn
03-26-2006, 05:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
can u please show the verse from Qur'an?
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None can show anything like this in the Quran. Abreast of declaring that the believers will find none but Allah as their friend and protector, Allah has specifically declared that He had taken Abraham(pbuh) for a friend. But
now-a-days, the prophet-worshipping liars and mushriks have taken to false preaching that Allah took Muhammed(pbuh) for His only friend. These mushriks believe in Allah and at the same time they worship Muhammed(pbuh), too. They also worship graves and saintly people and so on. They also occupy most of the posts of Imams in mosques and teachers in madrashas.
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vpb
03-26-2006, 05:28 AM
M H Kahn, who would do that?!?!? I mean don't they read the Qur'an??
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M H Kahn
03-26-2006, 05:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hashim_507
I am friend of Allah, I am slave of Allah.
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Maybe you are, if you do not associate Muhammed (pbuh) or any other person or thing as a partner in your worship of Allah.
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M H Kahn
03-26-2006, 05:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
M H Kahn, who would do that?!?!? I mean don't they read the Qur'an??
I live in Bangladesh now and I presume that maybe nearly 99% of the Islamic teachers of this country are prophet-worshippers. Even in many mosques, they write "Allah" to the right side and "Muhammed" to the left side of the mehrab.

Yes, maybe most of them memorize the Quran for recitation in sweet tune only. They seldom try to understand the contents. They mainly read man-made fictions on Islam and become fiction-based scholars, and virtually mushriks. So here in Bangladesh as well as in India and Pakistan, the lion's part of the teachers of Islam are no more than mushriks who worship Muhammed (pbuh), graves of good people and the like.
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vpb
03-26-2006, 05:42 AM
hmmm, does this has anything to do of what Abu Bakr said one time that there will be a group of people who will call in the name of Allah swt , but leave them alone?
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Khaldun
03-26-2006, 05:53 AM
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...The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is the one who will attain Al-Maqam Al-Mahmud (the Praised Position in the Hereafter) in Paradise, which will be given to one person only, and that person will be our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Allah took the covenant and pledge from all the Prophets that if Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was sent during the lifetime of any one of them, they would be obliged to follow him, to leave behind what they had brought and follow what our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) brought. As Allah says: ( When Allah made (His) covenant with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you. Then whosoever after this shall turn away: they will be miscreants. ) (Al `Imran 3: 81-82)...

To read it all click on the link below

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503544802

Wassalamu Alykum
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M H Kahn
03-26-2006, 06:24 AM
The fatwa you have referred is full of contradictions and so many fictions. Allah says:

2:136 Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in Islam)."

2:285 The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

Again the fatwa-giver narrated:
With regard to the sound hadiths, "Do not prefer me over Yunus ibn Matta" and "By the One Who chose Musa over all of creation", these all indicate the immense humility of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) when speaking of his brothers, the Messengers. But he is undoubtedly the best of them all, for he led them in prayer in Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) on the night of the Isra’. The fatwa-giver says that Muhammed(pbuh) was lying in the above Hadith to express his humility. How dare is he to call the Muhammed (pbuh) a liar !!!

Allah orders us to obey Him and obey His prophet. It does not concern us who is the greatest of the prophets, nor has Allah made this known to us. Despite this, some misconceived scholars try to invent themselves what Allah has kept known to Him alone. In so doing, they even do not hesitate to say that Muhammed(pbuh) was lying for the sake of humality and even assert indirectly that the sayings of Allah in the Quran are also lies!!!
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Khaldun
03-26-2006, 06:36 AM
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Please do not refer to the scholars of Islam as Satanic.

And clearly you do not understand the Quran, the latter ayah you qouted even says itself, "We Hear and We Obey" but strangely enough you decided not to highlight that, wonder why? All the verses you have cited do not infact contradict the Fatwa. We as muslims can not say out of our own accord that, this prophet is better then that prophet, but we take the Speech of Allah and His Messenger

And your Lord best knows those who are in the heavens and the earth; and certainly We have made some of the prophets to excel others, and to Dawood We gave a scripture. [Surah Isra Ayah 55]

We have made some of these apostles to excel the others among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and strengthened him with the holy spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who believed and others who denied; and if Allah had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but Allah brings about what He intends. [Surah Baqrah Ayah 253]

From among the sons of Adam, Allah chose Quraysh; from among Quraysh He chose Kinanah; from among Kinanah He chose Bani Hashim; and from among Bani Hashim He chose me.
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أحمد
04-01-2006, 09:48 AM
:salaam:

:) Please refer to the following (in the Quran):
  • Surah Aali-'Imran (3): verse 33 - On the issue of chosen people.
  • Surah Al-Maa`ida (5): verse 3 - The completion of deen (the Prophet :arabic5: was the only prophet, that Allah :arabic2: had completed the deen through via revelation).
  • Surah Al-Anbiyah (21): verse 107 - The blessing to the Worlds.
  • Surah Al-Ahzaab (33): verse 6 - The Prophet :arabic5: being closer to the believers (in what they follow) than their own selves (their desires).
  • Surah Al-Ahzaab (33): verse 33 - Even the family of the Prophet :arabic5: is given this authority of being granted protection from rijs (sin) and being purified.
:wasalamex
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Maimunah
04-01-2006, 08:47 PM
salaam brothers and sisters
i think its not for us to decide which prophet is the friend of allah. for allah knows the best. all the prophets and messengers are friends of allah and those who are al mutaquun. "Behold! verily on the friends of Allah there is no fear, nor shall they grieve; Those who believe and (constantly) guard against evil;- For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity. Let not their speech grieve thee: for all power and honour belong to Allah. It is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things). Behold! verily to Allah belong all creatures, in the heavens and on earth. What do they follow who worship as His "partners" other than Allah. They follow nothing but fancy, and they do nothing but lie". so he who worships mohamed pbuh is dead bt he who worships allah is alive n will never die.
so lets not ask each other asbout things we have no knowledge of:)
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