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Nicola
03-29-2006, 10:20 PM
In the Bible Jesus tells us of heaven being a place where there is no marriage..no food and no drink...but peace joy and righteousness.


Luke 20:34-36
"Jesus answered and said to them, 'The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
Romans 14:17
The kingdom of God is not food or drink, but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."
Revelation 21:3-4
"And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, 'Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."


What is the Islamic view point of heaven?
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Anonymous.92
03-30-2006, 09:16 AM
We believe in marriage, food, drink etc in Heaven.
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IbnAbdulHakim
03-30-2006, 09:22 AM
we believe all couples may see there partners in heaven if they are deserving :) and there will be no jelousy no evil intent or feeling... jus pure peace and many other things which us humans cannot possible imagine :)

PEACCCEE
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Muhammad
03-30-2006, 09:39 AM
Greetings Nicola,

Thank you for your question. Some of what you have described is similar to the Islamic viewpoint: that there shall be no more sorrow or pain, and that people shall live in joy and righteousness. However, we also believe that there will be marriage and also food and drink.

56:15 (They will be) on Thrones encrusted (with gold and precious stones),
56:16 Reclining on them, facing each other.
56:17 Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness),
56:18 With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains:
56:19 No after-ache will they receive therefrom, nor will they suffer intoxication:
56:20 And with fruits, any that they may select:
56:21 And the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire.
56:22 And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes,-
56:23 Like unto Pearls well-guarded.
56:24 A Reward for the deeds of their past (life).
56:25 Not frivolity will they hear therein, nor any taint of ill,-
56:26 Only the saying, "Peace! Peace".

[44.51] Surely those who guard (against evil) are in a secure place,
[44.52] In gardens and springs;
[44.53] They shall wear of fine and thick silk, (sitting) face to face;
[44.54] Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris pure, beautiful ones.
[44.55] They shall call therein for every fruit in security;
[44.56] They shall not taste therein death except the first death, and He will save them from the punishment of the hell,
[44.57] A grace from your Lord; this is the great achievement.

47:15 (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord...

15:47 And We shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury: (they will be) brothers (joyfully) facing each other on thrones (of dignity).
15:48 There no sense of fatigue shall touch them, nor shall they (ever) be asked to leave.

Both Paradise and Hell have been described extensivley and many times in the Qur'an. In addition to this, there are Prophetic teachings which further explain and support these descriptions and give us more insight into them.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask!

Peace.
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PrIM3
03-30-2006, 05:07 PM
are you there to just be served?
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Nicola
03-30-2006, 05:44 PM
[QUOTE=Muhammad;234709]Greetings Nicola,

Thank you for your question. Some of what you have described is similar to the Islamic viewpoint: that there shall be no more sorrow or pain, and that people shall live in joy and righteousness. However, we also believe that there will be marriage and also food and drink.P[QUOTE]

A marriage is mentioned but that is the marriage between Jesus Christ and his Church(Christians)...not any kind of human marriage, but a partnership. I was also wondering does it tell you that God will make a new earth for us to dwell on?

56:24 A Reward for the deeds of their past (life).

We understand also there will be rewards for the works that Christians have done (helping other people)




[44.56] They shall not taste therein death except the first death, and He will save them from the punishment of the hell,

We believe the Christians who are raptured up before the Great Tribulation will not taste a first death at all.





47:15 (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord...
We understand that we have no need for drink or food..I can't understand the need for rivers of wine.. and also does it say in the Quran...if God and the angles eat food?

Both Paradise and Hell have been described extensivley and many times in the Qur'an. In addition to this, there are Prophetic teachings which further explain and support these descriptions and give us more insight into them.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask!

Thanks :)

What Chrsitians understand about hell is...that because God is such a Just and Rightous God...he does not let souls continually burn in hell or be tortoured etc...but the souls of non Christians will just not exist anymore...that will be their second death...which we are told about.
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Al-Mu'min
03-31-2006, 01:46 AM
Peace.

Whats to enjoy if there is no physical pleasures like eating good food, drinking well and having intimate relationships with your partner? If you want only peace, we have that here on earth. Just go to some mountain side where no one will bother you. Besides how don't you think we will far less on earth if the reward is only peace, joy and righteousness? Yes these are important, but where are the relationships with friends, family as well as fellow believers you will meet there? The prophets, angels and the biggest reward is seeing the Almighty Himself.

By the way Nicola God doesn't eat nor does He sleep.

Peace.
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Nicola
03-31-2006, 08:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Mu'min
Peace.

Whats to enjoy if there is no physical pleasures like eating good food, drinking well and having intimate relationships with your partner? If you want only peace, we have that here on earth. Just go to some mountain side where no one will bother you. Besides how don't you think we will far less on earth if the reward is only peace, joy and righteousness? Yes these are important, but where are the relationships with friends, family as well as fellow believers you will meet there? The prophets, angels and the biggest reward is seeing the Almighty Himself.

By the way Nicola God doesn't eat nor does He sleep.


Peace.
Jesus was asked by the religious leaders..if you are married twice etc...which wife would you be with and Jesus explained there will be no marriage in heaven. For born again Christians we are the bride of Christ.
We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh..
Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.

In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.
It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food, The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Sounds like a very different heaven, well new earth
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Ghazi
03-31-2006, 09:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
Jesus was asked by the religious leaders..if you are married twice etc...which wife would you be with and Jesus explained there will be no marriage in heaven. For born again Christians we are the bride of Christ.
We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh..
Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.

In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.
It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food, The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Sounds like a very different heaven, well new earth
Salaam

For pleasure, for example need food to survive but also we eat food for pleasure, the same with sex and drink.
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Nicola
03-31-2006, 10:55 AM
Salaam

For pleasure, for example need food to survive but also we eat food for pleasure, the same with sex and drink.
But we will no longer be human but spirits...spirits have no need to eat and they survive.
they just exist.

sex, food and drink are pleasures of the flesh...
It is the flesh that causes sin..

Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.
Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
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E'jaazi
03-31-2006, 11:18 AM
The foods and drink in Paradise are not the same as here on earth. They will not have to be prepared for us. Their flavor is something far better than this world and something we cannot comprehend. Sex is also something that is different in Paradise. So you can't think about it in terms of flesh as mentioned in the Bible. If you would like, I will find you a more definitive explanation on the subject.
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sumay28
03-31-2006, 11:23 AM
There is food and drink in heaven. Not that we would need it. It would be for enjoyment.
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Al-Mu'min
03-31-2006, 11:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
Jesus was asked by the religious leaders..if you are married twice etc...which wife would you be with and Jesus explained there will be no marriage in heaven. For born again Christians we are the bride of Christ.
We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh..
Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.

In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.
It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food, The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Sounds like a very different heaven, well new earth
Peace Nicola,
Thanks for asking.:)

We will no longer desire sexualy pleasures of the flesh
In Islam, the after life is a physical one. You do believe you will be resurrected, don't you? We'll isn't what is resurrected, your physical body? Won't your body be re-united once again with your soul? Your soul will be judged but your body will have the same physical appearance,needs, and feelings.

Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.
That's our job here on earth (sounds like your heaven is another earth..).
Yes we will praise Him in the hereafter, but that life is mainly about rewards and having a closer relationship with our lord.


In the Quran who does it say will prepare, grow, cook... etc this food for you.It sounds like it's going to be just the same as here.

I read in some Islamic book talking about heaven, and it stated somewhere that whatever food you imagine will just automatically come to you. It will serve itself. Makes you wanna cry tears of joy doesn't it?;D
I Hope the brothers in here help me in giving the source of this saying.

If God needs no food why would our spirits in heaven need food The only reasons we eat food now to keep us alive to grow etc...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food
We are not God. As I mentioned above, in Islam we believe in a physical after-life. Physical growth however, is not experienced. If i'm not mistaken we will all be the same age. The food is however for enjoyment not for growth. Don't you pay a lot in a fancy restaurant, to enjoy thier food?

...In heaven we believe we will have no need for food. Food and drink are pleasures of the flesh not spirit.

Why can't we have both? We experience both here on earth. We experience pleasures of food and drink when eating and pleasures of spirit when we pray to our Lord or read His words.
If the after life is a better place, don't you think God will make it far better in comparison to this life?
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Al-Mu'min
03-31-2006, 11:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
But we will no longer be human but spirits...spirits have no need to eat and they survive.
they just exist.

sex, food and drink are pleasures of the flesh...
It is the flesh that causes sin..
The flesh is also what God created. It's purpose is for us to enjoy it lawfully(in marriage) and to procreate.
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Muslim Knight
03-31-2006, 11:59 AM
Must be boring for a Christian to live in Paradise doing nothing. Can't even eat food to enjoy.
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Nicola
03-31-2006, 02:38 PM
In Islam, the after life is a physical one. You do believe you will be resurrected, don't you? We'll isn't what is resurrected, your physical body? Won't your body be re-united once again with your soul? Your soul will be judged but your body will have the same physical appearance,needs, and feelings.
In Christianity we believe in no physical body, only a spiritual one and spiritual nature so we will have no physical needs at all...I believe in the resurrection yes but not in the way Islam understands it to mean.


Our pleasure will be to serve and worship God alone, not each other and ourselves.
That's our job here on earth (sounds like your heaven is another earth..).
Yes we will praise Him in the hereafter, but that life is mainly about rewards and having a closer relationship with our lord.
That would so right if all people would worship him on earth, Because people have sins (flesh).. no one will enter the new earth with sins.

Why can't we have both? We experience both here on earth. We experience pleasures of food and drink when eating and pleasures of spirit when we pray to our Lord or read His words.
If the after life is a better place, don't you think God will make it far better in comparison to this life?
You are thinking in gains rewards of physical things etc..and not spiritual gains..
Chrsitians do not believe in any kind of physical reward at all ...in heaven, for there will be no need..


Of course it will be much better than here..

Islam believes in a physical life still in the hereafter.. where everything a human needs will be the same...Christianity believes in a Spiritual life with now need for earthly desires.


Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

This is Gods will that we as born again Christians will conformed to the image of Christ..

Romans 12:1 Therefore I exhort you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a sacrifice—alive, holy, and pleasing to God—which is your reasonable service. 12:2 Do not be conformed to this present world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may test and approve what is the will of God—what is good and well-pleasing and perfect.
We are to fall away from the pleasures of this world..and it is impossible to do without the guideness and leading of the Holy Spirit indwelling inside you.


Galatians 5:17 For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in opposition (ajntivkeitai) to each other, so that you cannot do what you want.
Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
very different heavens
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Ghazi
03-31-2006, 02:40 PM
Salaam

Man all this talk of janna is getting to me, I just looked outside and it's some crap weather.
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Khattab
03-31-2006, 03:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abd'Majid
^ isnt there a limit to just how happy a person can be??

:sl:
:sl: Well what I think the brother meant was that for example if you eat an apple in Jannah it will not taste the same as it was the day before, as everything in Jannah keeps improving.

With regards to the initial post from Nicola, the paradise that we are told of in Islam caters to both the pyhsical and spiritual needs. The physical needs being the enjoyment of food, of a partner, friends or any past time that a person may enjoy for example football, films, reading etc.

Then there is the spiritual needs of the human being which is catered for in paradise, and that comes through seeing ones creator. For some this will happen twice a day and for the rest this will take place on Fridays. This will be the greatest of all delights in the Jannah.

We are all human beings and have two sides too us the physical needs and wants, and the spiritual needs and wants (the soul) and in Jannah both of these have been covered by Allah (SWT). Everyday will be better than the last.

Peace
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Ghazi
03-31-2006, 03:38 PM
Salaam

Can I ask will the shaheed's be seeing allah everyday.
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Khattab
03-31-2006, 03:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
In Christianity we believe in no physical body, only a spiritual one and spiritual nature so we will have no physical needs at all...I believe in the resurrection yes but not in the way Islam understands it to mean.
Hi Nicola,

Can you explain to me why according to Christianity God created humans with a physical body if it is just about the soul?

Peace
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akr4m
03-31-2006, 04:24 PM
In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful

And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.
(Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #111)


Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, their place of entertainment shall be the gardens of paradise,
(Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #107)


The bible says somethings about paradise, the Quran says something else about paradise, how do we know which scripture contains the correct discription of paradise? It all comes down to one question; which scripture is the word of God, the Quran or the Bible? I could give a list of reasons why the bible isn't the word of God and the Quran is - which would prove the discription of paradise is not consistent with the bible. But like i said before why dont we go through this topic step by step, and inshallah (God willing) maybe you could learn a few things. I have posted somethings regarding John 1:1, the definite and indefinte form of the word "God", to which there was no reply. I will be looking foward to you response Nicole
take care:)

Say: If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would surely be consumed before the words of my Lord are exhausted, though We were to bring the like of that (sea) to add
(Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #109)
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Nicola
03-31-2006, 05:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by akr4m
In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful

And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.
(Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #111)


Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, their place of entertainment shall be the gardens of paradise,
(Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #107)


The bible says somethings about paradise, the Quran says something else about paradise, how do we know which scripture contains the correct discription of paradise? It all comes down to one question; which scripture is the word of God, the Quran or the Bible? I could give a list of reasons why the bible isn't the word of God and the Quran is - which would prove the discription of paradise is not consistent with the bible. But like i said before why dont we go through this topic step by step, and inshallah (God willing) maybe you could learn a few things. I have posted somethings regarding John 1:1, the definite and indefinte form of the word "God", to which there was no reply. I will be looking foward to you response Nicole
take care:)

Say: If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would surely be consumed before the words of my Lord are exhausted, though We were to bring the like of that (sea) to add
(Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #109)
Well both can't be right that is certain.

I could give a list of reasons why the bible isn't the word of God and the Quran is - which would prove the discription of paradise is not consistent with the bible.

Yes I've heard the Bible has been tampered with........I agree your discription of heaven is not the same has Jesus' discription in the Bible.


About the Bible and Quran saying different things...it does on every single point..So far I have only found one similarity and that is to do with the end times...with Islam I understand God will send the Mahdi (the guide to the truth), who will bring Islam to everyone..
Where has we are told in the Bible.. God will send a man who will be a deciever...after born-again Christians are raptured up to heaven...the deciever, will decieve millions he will come in peace for a short time..then turn and make everyone the same religion as himself, distroying all other kinds of worship.





You must have missed my earlier post...the questions you are asking me are exactly the same in another thread..Personal Enounters..it seems pointless..copying and pasting them into this thread..but I will if you wish.

Peace
Nic
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akr4m
03-31-2006, 06:09 PM
In the name of ALLAH Most Gracious Most Merciful

And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful. (Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #111)

Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, their place of entertainment shall be the gardens of paradise, (Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #107)


To my fellow non-muslims, may peace and blessings be upon you.
Greetings Nicole, how are you? that was a quick reply lol.

Firstly, regarding john1:1, i just read you're answer to brother Qurban, but unfortunately you haven't answered the question - as to why the Devil and Moses where refered to as God (thats only if you believe to take the indefinite form as definite). For this reason i had repeated the question. You see i dont like moving from one issue to the next unless the previous question has been answered. When engaged in a debate - people seem to skim past the questions and start talking about a different issue - its a nice tactic but it doesn't answer the questions. Please dont think i am refering to you, i am talking in general.

However, I would be doing injustice to this topic – “Heaven”- if I hadn’t touched upon some things regarding the heavenly description.
Lets analyse what Nicole said, and then lets look at what the bible says collectively.

But we will no longer be human but spirits...spirits have no need to eat and they survive.
they just exist.

sex, food and drink are pleasures of the flesh...
It is the flesh that causes sin.
Genesis 2:15-16
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;

Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

These verses clearly states that Adam did eat while his stay in paradise and as you mentioned spirits don’t require eating. Also notice how God referred to Eve as Adam’s wife – a wife can be called when one is married.

Genesis 3:20
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

This verse calls Eve a "wife" and a "mother". If there is no marriage in heaven then why was eve called a “wife” to Adam? Now assuming that Adam and Eve never got kicked out of Heaven, then how would exactly Eve become a "mother", who already was a "wife" in Heaven?

If Heaven has no physical bodies in it, then where did Adam's rib come from which GOD Almighty used to close up with FLESH for creating Eve? And what form were Adam and his "wife" Eve in? Didn’t they have physical bodies?.

Genesis 2:21-22
So the LORD God caused adam to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of Adam’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman (Eve) from the rib he had taken out of Adam, and he brought her to Adam.

In addition what happened when Adam ate the apple, according to the scripture he was naked, his private parts where exposed, and he was ashamed to come out in front of the Lord; so he hid. One would raise the question does spirits have private parts?

If you look at these passages of the bible collectively you will realise, Adam did the following while he was in Heaven:
- He ate
- He had a wife (i.e. marriage)
- He had a physical form (flesh and bones)

Then why is it so hard to believe humans will have their physical form and will eat - while they are in heaven?

take care:)

Say: If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would surely be consumed before the words of my Lord are exhausted, though We were to bring the like of that (sea) to add
(Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #109)


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Maimunah
03-31-2006, 06:16 PM
mashaallah bro akr4m great post:)
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Al-Mu'min
04-01-2006, 04:33 AM
^ I second that.
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cleo
04-01-2006, 04:45 AM
[QUOTE=Nicola;235532][QUOTE=Muhammad;234709]Greetings Nicola,

Thank you for your question. Some of what you have described is similar to the Islamic viewpoint: that there shall be no more sorrow or pain, and that people shall live in joy and righteousness. However, we also believe that there will be marriage and also food and drink.P

A marriage is mentioned but that is the marriage between Jesus Christ and his Church(Christians)...not any kind of human marriage, but a partnership. I was also wondering does it tell you that God will make a new earth for us to dwell on?




We understand also there will be rewards for the works that Christians have done (helping other people)







We believe the Christians who are raptured up before the Great Tribulation will not taste a first death at all.







We understand that we have no need for drink or food..I can't understand the need for rivers of wine.. and also does it say in the Quran...if God and the angles eat food

Thanks :)

What Chrsitians understand about hell is...that because God is such a Just and Rightous God...he does not let souls continually burn in hell or be tortoured etc...but the souls of non Christians will just not exist anymore...that will be their second death...which we are told about.
Where is the word rapture in the Bible or Quran? I have never seen the word, so where did it come from?
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Al-Mu'min
04-01-2006, 06:53 AM
I used a search engine to search the word rapture both in the Bible and Quran and couldn't find the word.
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Anonymous.92
04-01-2006, 09:20 AM
Nicola, God does not sleep nor eat. In heaven food and drink plus marriage will be provided for us for pleasure. Missionaries always are against polygamy in Islam but if all Christian women are the wives of Christ why do Christians condemn polygamy in Islam?
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Nicola
04-01-2006, 09:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Khattab
Hi Nicola,

Can you explain to me why according to Christianity God created humans with a physical body if it is just about the soul?

Peace

Because we are human at the moment, we are mortal, we die..we need food and water to carry on living..... but when we become immortal, we will no longer need these same things as before,

I am not saying God will not provide us with some kind of body form, but he is not going to make us human again...with the requirements of the physical body like now, but it will not be a physcial body because we are told by Jesus we will no longer need food or drink..
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anis_z24
04-01-2006, 10:11 PM
Salam
In heaven you will have what ever your ears desire, what ever your eyes desire and what ones heart would have never imagined .

There is a hadith or aya about this, Its lost in my memory.
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Nicola
04-01-2006, 10:17 PM
[QUOTE=cleo;237780][QUOTE=Nicola;235532]
format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad
Greetings Nicola,

Thank you for your question. Some of what you have described is similar to the Islamic viewpoint: that there shall be no more sorrow or pain, and that people shall live in joy and righteousness. However, we also believe that there will be marriage and also food and drink.P
Where is the word rapture in the Bible or Quran? I have never seen the word, so where did it come from?

For what reason will there be marriage?...for pleasure, children..or both?
If so are there going to be more Children born in heaven?

The word rapture in not in the bible...
The word rapture means... to carry away, caught up. So Christians use this word and we understand what is meant by it.
These are a few of the scriptures that tell us about being caught up (raptured). Only the faithful in Jesus will be taken to be with him..And also we understand we will return with him on his second coming. Leaving the rest of man-kind here on earth during the Great Tribulation.


1Co 15:51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed



1Th 4:15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Mat 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.


Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left.


Revelation 3:10.
"Because you have kept my command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth."

google rapture and you will find lots of info

nic
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Nicola
04-01-2006, 11:00 PM
[QUOTE=Khattab;236880
With regards to the initial post from Nicola, the paradise that we are told of in Islam caters to both the pyhsical and spiritual needs. The physical needs being the enjoyment of food, of a partner, friends or any past time that a person may enjoy for example football, films, reading etc. [/QUOTE]



Thanks for you explanation..

In the Bible, we know from what Jesus tells us that material things mean nothing at all. They have no worth, we are lead away from all material things in this secular world by the Holy Spirit. Jesus even tells the rich man to give away all this wealth, else he wouldn't gain entry into heaven. He also tells us the Kingdom of God is within us..
Christians are in this world but not of the world.



We are all human beings and have two sides too us the physical needs and wants, and the spiritual needs and wants (the soul) and in Jannah both of these have been covered by Allah (SWT). Everyday will be better than the last.
Peace
I can understand your point, while we are on this earth...but we will no longer be human any more...we are told we will be like angels.
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Skillganon
04-02-2006, 12:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad
Greetings Nicola,

Thank you for your question. Some of what you have described is similar to the Islamic viewpoint: that there shall be no more sorrow or pain, and that people shall live in joy and righteousness. However, we also believe that there will be marriage and also food and drink.
Brother, Where is the evidence of marriage?
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Skillganon
04-02-2006, 12:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
Thanks for you explanation..

In the Bible, we know from what Jesus tells us that material things mean nothing at all. They have no worth, we are lead away from all material things in this secular world by the Holy Spirit. Jesus even tells the rich man to give away all this wealth, else he wouldn't gain entry into heaven. He also tells us the Kingdom of God is within us..
Christians are in this world but not of the world.
If a person is guided by a Holy spirit to christianity, than is it suffice to say when he/she goes away from the faith the person is being guided by the Holy spirit!



format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
I can understand your point, while we are on this earth...but we will no longer be human any more...we are told we will be like angels.
What you mean by like?
Can you elaborate please Nicola

Thanks.
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cool_jannah
04-02-2006, 12:21 AM
The pleasures and comforts of this world will continue for us over there in Heaven with a lot more things which is beyond our imaginantion.
Please don't try to prove that the christian description of the heaven is better than that of Islam. You are not proving yourself smart by doing this. It will be a place full of peace and tranquility. No one will be lying or mocking over there. Everyone over there will be a true Muslim. Disbelievers who carry kufr in their hearts wil not be allowed in there.
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Skillganon
04-02-2006, 01:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by cool_jannah
The pleasures and comforts of this world will continue for us over there in Heaven with a lot more things which is beyond our imaginantion.
Please don't try to prove that the christian description of the heaven is better than that of Islam. You are not proving yourself smart by doing this. It will be a place full of peace and tranquility. No one will be lying or mocking over there. Everyone over there will be a true Muslim. Disbelievers who carry kufr in their hearts wil not be allowed in there.
Hey, Bro where did I say's I am trying to prove want point of view to the other!
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PrIM3
04-02-2006, 05:49 AM
I am not sure if you posted these verses yet nicola but here they are..

Revelations 21
Then I saw a newheaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea...There wil be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away... verse 5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new"
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Al-Mu'min
04-02-2006, 07:25 AM
Peace.


LIFE AFTER DEATH

The question of life after death has always agitated the minds of people belonging to all religions and all ages alike. There is also the atheistic view which totally denies the possibility of life after death. The religions which believe in life after death can be divided into two categories.

1.Those which believe in the reincarnation of the soul of a dead person into a new human or animal form of existence.

2.Those which believe in an otherworldly state of existence after death.

The atheistic view is outside the domain of this discussion. As far as Islamic doctrine is concerned, Islam belongs to that category of religions which totally rejects all possibilities of reincarnation in any form. But those who believe in some otherworldly form of spiritual or carnal existence are divided among themselves on so many planes. Within each religion the understanding differs. Hence, with reference to the views held by the followers of various religions, no belief can be attributed to them without fear of contradiction.

In Islam itself there are different views held by different sects or Muslim scholars. The general understanding tends to perceive the otherworldly form as very similar to the carnal one here on earth. The concept of heaven and hell consequently present a material image rather than a spiritual image of things to be. Heaven is presented, according to their concept, as an immeasurably large garden literally abounding in beautiful trees casting eternal shadows under which rivers will flow. The rivers would be of milk and honey. The garden will be fruit bearing and all man may desire of fruits would be his at his command. The meat would be that of birds of all sorts; it is only for one to wish which meat he particularly craves. Female companions of exceeding beauty and refinement would be provided to the pious men, with no limit imposed on the number, which will be decided according to their capacity. As many as they can cope with will be theirs. What would they do? How would they relate with each other? Will they bear children or lead a barren life of enjoyment? These are all the moot questions. The enjoyment, as it is conceived, is intensely sensual. No work to be performed, no labour to be wasted, no effort to be made. A perfect life (if such life can be called perfect) of complete and total indolence, with the option of overeating and over-drinking, because also wine will be flowing close to the rivers of milk and honey. No fear of dyspepsia or intoxication! Reclining on heavenly cushions of silk and brocade, they will while their time away in eternal bliss -- but what an eternal bliss!

In Islam, there are others who categorically reject this naive understanding of the Quranic references to heaven, and prove with many a reference to verses of the Holy Quran that what it describes is just metaphorical imagery which has no carnality about it. In fact the Holy Quran makes it amply clear that the form of existence of the life to come will be so different from all known forms of life here on earth, that it is beyond human imagination even to have the slightest glimpse of the otherworldly realities.

We will raise you into a form of which you have not the slightest knowledge. Surah Al-Waqiah (Ch. 56: V.62)

This is the categorical statement of the Quran on the subject. In recent times, the founder of the Ahmadiyya Community, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) of Qadian, presented this view of spiritual existence as against carnal existence in his unique and outstanding treatise entitled'The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam". All views propounded in the book are well documented with Quranic references and traditions of the Holy Founder of Islam. A brief account is reproduced here
According to his profound study, the life in the hereafter would not be material. Instead, it would be of a spiritual nature of which we can only visualise certain aspects. We cannot determine precisely how things will take shape. One of the salient features of his vision of the hereafter concerns the soul giving birth to another rarer entity, which would occupy the same position in relation to the soul as the soul occupies in relation to our carnal existence here on earth. This birth of a soul from within the soul will be related to the sort of life that we have lived here on earth. If our lives here are spent in submission to the will of God and in accordance with His commands, our tastes gradually become cultured and attuned to enjoying spiritual pleasures as against carnal pleasures. Within the soul a sort of embryonic soul begins to take shape. New faculties are born and new tastes are acquired, in which those accustomed to carnal pleasures find no enjoyment. These new types of refined human beings can find the content of their heart. Sacrifice instead of the usurpation of others' rights becomes enjoyable. Forgiveness takes the upper hand of revenge, and love with no selfish motive is born like a second nature, replacing all relationships that have ulterior motives. Thus, one can say a new soul within the soul is in the offing.

All these projections regarding the development of the soul are inferences drawn from various verses of the Holy Quran, yet the exact nature of future events cannot be precisely determined. One can only say that something along these lines would take place, the details of which lie beyond the reach of human understanding. There are certain aspects of the new life which need to be discussed. The concept of hell and heaven in Islam is completely different from the normally held view. Hell and heaven are not two different places occupying separate time and space. According to the Holy Quran, the heaven covers the entire universe. 'Where would be hell then?' enquired some of the companions of the Holy Prophet. 'At the same place', was the answer, 'but you do not have the faculty to understand their coexistence.' That is to say in ordinary human terms, they may seem to occupy the same time-space, but in reality because they belong to different dimensions, so they will coexist without interfering and inter-relating with each other.

But what is the meaning of heavenly bliss, the tortures of the fire of hell? In answer to this question, the Promised Messiah (as) has illustrated the issue in the following terms: If a man is almost dying of thirst, and is otherwise healthy, cool water can provide him such deeply satisfying pleasure as cannot be derived from the ordinary experience of drinking water, or even the most delicious drink of his choice. If a man is thirsty and hungry as well, and he needs an immediate source of energy, a chilled bunch of grapes can provide him with such deep satisfaction as is not experienced by the same in ordinary circumstances. But the pre-requisite for these pleasures is good health. Now visualise a very sick man, who is nauseating and trying to vomit whatever liquid is left in him, and is at the verge of death through dehydration. Offer him a glass of cool water, or a chilled bunch of grapes, then not to mention his accepting them, a mere glance of them would create a state of revulsion and absolute abhorrence in him.

In illustrations like these, the Promised Messiah (as) made it clear that hell and heaven are only issues of relativity. A healthy soul which has acquired the taste for good things, when brought into close proximity of the objects of its choice, will draw even greater pleasure than before. All that a healthy spiritual man was craving was nearness to God and His attributes and to imitate divine virtues. In heaven, such a healthy soul would begin to see and conceive and feel the nearness of the attributes of God like never before. They, according to the Promised Messiah, would not remain merely spiritual values, but would acquire ethereal forms and shapes, which the newly born heavenly spirit would enjoy with the help of the erstwhile soul, which would function as the body. That again would be a matter of relativity. The converse will be true of hell, in the sense that an unhealthy soul would create an unhealthy body for the new soul of the hereafter. And the same factors which provide pleasure to the healthy soul would provide torture and deep suffering for this unhealthy entity.

When we refer to mind or soul in comparison to our carnal body, there is a vast difference in the nature of their existence, which is almost inconceivable. Every part of the body is alive and is throbbing with life, not only in material terms but also in awareness. Every particle of the human body is gifted with some sort of awareness. Scientists try to express that awareness in terms of electronic pulses, but that is a very crude way of describing the overall awareness of the conscious and subconscious mind and the immune system and other independent functions of the human body, which still lie far beyond our power of comprehension.

So what is that awareness? How can it be defined and explained -- that Ultimate 'I' in every living thing. Can we refer to it as ego in psychological terms? But never has a psychologist succeeded in defining the ego. It is that something which in religious terms is described as the soul. There is no way we can measure the distance between the soul and the carnal body. In terms of rarity, the soul even in our crudest perception, is so rare and ultra-refined that in no way can it be likened to the body that it occupies. Now try to conceive the scenario of the birth of a soul within the soul over a period of billions of years. At the end of a long day, we find a soul within a soul, which would have the same comparison in terms of rarity as a human soul here on earth has with the human body. Something similar to this will take place, and in relative terms, the future existence of life would also have two states combined into one entity. In relative terms, one state would be like body and the other like soul. In comparison to our bodies, our soul would appear like a body to the newly evolved essence of existence.

For further details, readers are advised to read the full treatise, which deals not only with this subject, but also discusses some other very interesting topics which agitate the minds of people the world over.

In short, each individual creates his own hell or his own heaven, and in accordance with his own state each heaven differs from the other person's heaven, and each hell differs from the other person's hell, though apparently they occupy the same space and time in otherworldly dimensions.

What happens to man's soul between the time of his carnal death and his resurrection on the Day of Judgement? The Holy Prophet (sa) is reported to have said that after our death windows will open up in the grave; for the pious people, windows open from heaven, and for the wicked people they open towards hell. However, if we were to open up a grave, we would not find any windows! So literal acceptance of these words will not convey the true meaning of this subject. It is impossible that the Holy Prophet (sa) should ever misinform us, hence here he had to be speaking metaphorically. Had it not been so, then every time we dig up a grave, we should find windows, either opening into hell, or letting in the fragrant and pleasant air of paradise. But we witness neither of these. So what do the Holy Prophet's words mean?

The grave is actually an intermediary phase of existence between this life and the life to come. Here, spiritual life will progress gradually through many stages until it reaches its ultimate destiny. Then by the Command of Allah, a trumpet will be blown, and the final spiritual form will come into being. In this interim period, different souls would pass through a semblance of heaven or hell before reaching their final stage of perfection, fit and ready to be raised into a completely transformed entity. The Quran illustrates this concept beautifully:

Your first creation and your second creation will be identical. Surah Luqman (Ch. 31: V.29)

Pondering over the birth of a child from a single cell, one finds the following Quranic statement:

See how God gives you various shapes in the womb. Surah Al-Imran (Ch. 3: V.7)

Now this subject is related to the subject of the two identical creations mentioned above. Take for example the case of such children as are congenitally ill. They do not suddenly contract illness at the time of delivery, rather they gradually develop into a state of morbidity which is progressive and which starts from the time of their early embryonic stage. Similarly, the soul of a person who is spiritually diseased, in that embryonic stage before its final resurrection on the Day of Judgement, will suffer through a semblance of hell and will remain uneasy in that period of the grave as does an unhealthy child in the womb of its mother. The ways of a healthy child are totally different, even his kicking is appreciated by the mother.

The question that now arises is: Will the soul also progress as does the child in the mother's womb, and will it pass through all these stages? The answer to this can be found in the very same verse of the Quran: 'Ma khalakakum wa ma basukum illa ka nafsin wahidin' -- your first creation and your second creation will be identical.

To understand the second creation, we need to understand the way a baby takes shape in a mother's womb. These forms apparently only take nine months to develop, while in reality the creation of life is spread over billions of years. Going back to the beginning of zoological life, the baby passes through almost all the stages of the evolution of life. From the beginning of the pregnancy, through to its culmination nine months later, the development of the child reflects all the stages of creation. In other words, all the phases of evolution are being repeated in those nine months, one after the other, and at such great speed that it is beyond our imagination. It keeps alive the stages of the system of evolution, and presents a picture of it.

The creation of life underwent a long period of development to reach the form that we witness in nine months. This sheds light on the fact that the period of our first creation was very long, and our second creation will also span a long period. By studying these nine months we can learn something of the billions of years of the history of life, and also about the evolution of souls in the next world. It is perhaps safe to infer that the time from the early origin of life to the ultimate creation of man, would perhaps be needed once again for the development of the soul after the death.

In support of this reasoning, the Quran categorically declares that when the souls are resurrected they will talk to one another, trying to determine how long they tarried on the earth. Some will say, 'We tarried for a day' while others will say 'for even less than a day.' Allah will then say: 'No even that is not correct.' In other words, Allah will say that 'You tarried on earth for much less than what you estimate.' In reality, the relationship of one life-span to a small part of the day is more or less the same ratio that the time of the soul's resurrection will have to its previous entire life. The further away something is, the smaller it appears. Our childhood seems like an experience of just a few seconds. The greater the distance of the stars, the smaller they appear. What Allah is trying to tell us is that we won't find ourselves being judged the very next day after we die. Instead, judgement will take place in such a distant future that our previous lives will seem like a matter of a few seconds to us, like a small point a long way away.

In short, man's resurrection is described as a transformation that he cannot envisage and an event that is as certain as his existence here on earth. All these subjects have been explained in detail in the Holy Quran.

http://www.------------/books/study-o...ter-death.html

Peace out.
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Al-Mu'min
04-02-2006, 07:37 AM
Nicole. Peace and blessings.
So there are similarities above (in the artilce) between our faith's perception of the afterlife.

Peace out.
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afriend
04-02-2006, 08:54 AM
:sl:

Well, I mean, it's the land where u can do anything u like.......

There is no such thing as innusance or anything to bother u....just peace and plaesure.
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Mohammed Bilal
04-02-2006, 10:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by muslim knight
Must be boring for a Christian to live in Paradise doing nothing. Can't even eat food to enjoy.
Thats true what would you do if there wasnt anything good in paradise.
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PrIM3
04-02-2006, 11:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mohammed Bilal
Thats true what would you do if there wasnt anything good in paradise.
I will personally be with God the one who rid my addiction that I had for 3 years. the one who calms me when I have relationship problems. I don't need anything that the flesh wants because God himself will be there to wipe away every tear, and there will be no more pain or crying.
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251-555-652
04-03-2006, 12:42 AM
I sense a bit of sarcasim in your comment, in this world my freind it is very easy for one to be bad and indulge in all the worldy demonic influences, but to abstain and enjoy purity in its heavenly form is a reward in it self. Did you hear of the orthodox monk in athens that was untombed after 15 years and has not changed one bit from the time he was buried. He is going to be the next proclaimed saint Bysarion, when approached he smells of francensense. There is not much coverage in the mainstream media of this. But it looks like they are going to bury him for three more years and then if nothing has changed they will proclaim him as a new saint of the One Holy Catholic Apostalic Church. Which is what the Eastern Orthodox Church is Called.
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Nicola
04-03-2006, 04:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skillganon
If a person is guided by a Holy spirit to christianity, than is it suffice to say when he/she goes away from the faith the person is being guided by the Holy spirit!

What you mean by like?
Can you elaborate please Nicola

Thanks.

No if a Christian comes away from his religion, it is his own-self will doing that...or it could be an evil spirit...e.g. such as the Mormons founder...Joseph Smith who recieved visions etc...but this messages he recieved did not come from God..but an evil Spirit...tempting him away from the truth.
The Holy Spirit can only speak the truth and it always leads you to Jesus. The Holy Spirit cannot lie...because he is Gods Spirit.
Also in the Bible we are told of predestation...meaning God already know who is a Child of his before we are even born. So Gods will, will be done..no matter what...

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
Eph 1:5 he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,


Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.



There is a great difference between a Christian and a born-again Christian...
I expect there are between a practicing Muslim and non-practicing Muslim.


A Christian person, is really in name only...Jesus tells us we need to be born again...else we will not enter Heaven..and we can only be born-again with the Holy Spirit...because of old-self literaly dies..He helps us over-come all temptations..

John 3:5, where Jesus says, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

We need the Holy Spirit to change us...he begins working in us..if we let him...to make us Christ-like..

Below Jesus is talking about Christians who are not born-again.

What Jesus tells us about this
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity


Luke 20

34Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36and they can no longer die;
for they are like the angels
. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection.

Like angels...but not the same...

Angels are essentially "ministering spirits," (Hebrews 1:14) and do not have physical bodies like humans. Jesus declared that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:37-39).

Angels can take on the appearance of men when the occasion demands. How else could some "entertain angels unaware" (Hebrews 13:2)? On the other hand, their appearance is sometimes in dazzling white and blazing glory (Matthew 28:2-4).


Born-again Christians will be like angels in the sense they will live forever, in fellowship with the Father...they don't have to marry etc..


God Bless
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Nicola
04-03-2006, 04:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 251-555-652
I sense a bit of sarcasim in your comment, in this world my freind it is very easy for one to be bad and indulge in all the worldy demonic influences, but to abstain and enjoy purity in its heavenly form is a reward in it self.
so very true.
For we are in this world, but not of it :)
Amen
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Muhammad
04-06-2006, 10:50 AM
:sl: and Greetings,

Sorry for my late replies.

format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
For what reason will there be marriage?...for pleasure, children..or both?
If so are there going to be more Children born in heaven?
I haven't heard of any children being born in heaven, so I believe marriage is mainly for pleasure, as is everything in Paradise.

format_quote Originally Posted by Skillganon
Brother, Where is the evidence of marriage?
The evidence can be found in the Qur'an:

[44.54] Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris pure, beautiful ones.

And also from the ahadeeth stating that people shall have wives in Paradise. I am not saying a marriage ceremony is going to take place, if that is what you mean; all I meant was that people shall have wives in Paradise, and Allaah Knows best.

:w:
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Ghazi
04-06-2006, 10:52 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad
:sl: and Greetings,

Sorry for my late replies.

I haven't heard of any children being born in heaven, so I believe marriage is mainly for pleasure, as is everything in Paradise.

The evidence can be found in the Qur'an:

[44.54] Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris pure, beautiful ones.

And also from the ahadeeth stating that people shall have wives in Paradise. I am not saying a marriage ceremony is going to take place, if that is what you mean; all I meant was that people shall have wives in Paradise, and Allaah Knows best.

:w:
Salaam

I haven't heard of any children being born in heaven, so I believe marriage is mainly for pleasure, as is everything in Paradise.
I have, I read in some book the birth process would take one hour and the person who enters janna could decide what age the child would be. I look the refrence for you.
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cleo
04-07-2006, 07:09 PM
If you eat, on earth it is food for your life to exist. But, if you are in heaven, you don't need food to eat, to life, for it is everlasting life? So, I wonder, cause I am not a expert, the reason you have food and drink in heaven, it would be to your pleasure, not survival. Just a thought!!
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Kittygyal
04-07-2006, 07:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by cleo
If you eat, on earth it is food for your life to exist. But, if you are in heaven, you don't need food to eat, to life, for it is everlasting life? So, I wonder, cause I am not a expert, the reason you have food and drink in heaven, it would be to your pleasure, not survival. Just a thought!!


that is true bro:happy:

take care
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PrIM3
04-07-2006, 10:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by cleo
If you eat, on earth it is food for your life to exist. But, if you are in heaven, you don't need food to eat, to life, for it is everlasting life? So, I wonder, cause I am not a expert, the reason you have food and drink in heaven, it would be to your pleasure, not survival. Just a thought!!
so being around God wouldn't be pleasure enough?
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Muhammad
04-07-2006, 11:45 PM
Hello there,

Being around God is indeed among the greatest pleasures, yet out of His mercy, He has prepared many more bounties for the inhabitants of Paradise to enjoy.

Peace.
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PrIM3
04-08-2006, 01:17 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad
Hello there,

Being around God is indeed among the greatest pleasures, yet out of His mercy, He has prepared many more bounties for the inhabitants of Paradise to enjoy.

Peace.
sounds to me like muslims believe that heaven was/is made completely for you. ( don't take it as me trying to sound rude.. I am really not )

I am not trying to lead this topic off away..

well we believe no one can enter heaven unless he is really born-again --- which is baptism.. why because it is your spirit that is going to be in heaven not your flesh.. a spirit doesn't need food or drink.. or does a spirit want it either.. as Jesus states "The spirit is willing, but the body is weak"--- Mark 14:38... I think what he means in that verse there is that the Spirit and the body needs/desires different things from each other... we will be like gods but not like God.. we will be perfect but not like God-perfect.
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ummnasr
04-08-2006, 01:37 AM
Salams everyone, Im pretty sure if im not right someone correct me but, women in jannah will give birth (have children) but they will be born 3oyrs of age might sound weird cause im not sure but i know that we will all be 30yrs old in jannah everything will be equal,

May allah forgive us, and guide us and inshaa allah make us the people of Jannah ammen
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renak
04-08-2006, 04:10 AM
I find the Islamic view of paradise intoxicating! I prefer the Islamic view to the Christian view.
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ummnasr
04-08-2006, 10:00 AM
Beware of that freedom of expression, that is clearly from the shaytan, he wants us to feel as if we can have our own opinions in reguards to religion, its really simple people just read what allah has reavealed through his pure prophets, As Allahs words are perfect , ours is not even comparable ameen
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nimrod
04-08-2006, 08:07 PM
Nicola what does Revelation say about the tree that bears 12 kinds of fruit?
I believe Old testament mentions this tree as well. Are the fruits not to be eaten?

Thanks
Nimrod
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sumay28
04-10-2006, 09:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by renak
I find the Islamic view of paradise intoxicating! I prefer the Islamic view to the Christian view.
Masha allah. Just the description of paradise in the Quran and Hadiths just make me want to live in a cave and just worship Allah for the rest of my life. Even the word "Jannah" is thrilling. The food is not for nourishment, but for enjoyment. At the snap of a finger, you can have a gallon of dates or whatever food you desire, and you won't get full, you won't get fat, you won't have to worry about heart problems. You can drink wine without the hangover. You'll be more beautiful than anything you've ever seen in this life. And no one will be jealous of you. There is no jealousy. No hatred. No bills!! What's the problem with that?
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Muhammad
04-10-2006, 01:40 PM
Greetings,

format_quote Originally Posted by PrIM3
sounds to me like muslims believe that heaven was/is made completely for you. ( don't take it as me trying to sound rude.. I am really not )
Paradise was created for all those who were obedient to God and were allowed to enter it by His mercy.

[7.42] And (as for) those who believe and do good We do not impose on any soul a duty except to the extent of its ability-- they are the dwellers of the garden; in it they shall abide.
[7.43] And We will remove whatever of ill-feeling is in their breasts; the rivers shall flow beneath them and they shall say: All praise is due to Allah Who guided us to this, and we would not have found the way had it not been that Allah had guided us; certainly the apostles of our Lord brought the truth; and it shall be cried out to them that this is the garden of which you are made heirs for what you did.


Peace.
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Umm Yoosuf
04-10-2006, 01:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sumay28
Masha allah. Just the description of paradise in the Quran and Hadiths just make me want to live in a cave and just worship Allah for the rest of my life. Even the word "Jannah" is thrilling. The food is not for nourishment, but for enjoyment. At the snap of a finger, you can have a gallon of dates or whatever food you desire, and you won't get full, you won't get fat, you won't have to worry about heart problems. You can drink wine without the hangover. You'll be more beautiful than anything you've ever seen in this life. And no one will be jealous of you. There is no jealousy. No hatred. No bills!! What's the problem with that?

Wow yes such description are amazing glory be to Allah. Amazing by Allah! Amazing! And there is things that no eye has ever seen, no hear has ever heard of! Subhanallah!
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Maimunah
04-10-2006, 03:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Mu'minah
Wow yes such description are amazing glory be to Allah. Amazing by Allah! Amazing! And there is things that no eye has ever seen, no hear has ever heard of! Subhanallah!
yep"Now no person knows what delights of the eye are kept hidden (in reserve) for them - as a reward for their (good) deeds!! Is then the man who believes no better than the man who is rebellious and wicked? Not equal are they. For those who believe and do righteous deeds are Gardens as hospitable homes, for their (good) deeds.
chapter 32 verse 17-9"
wasalaam
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Al-Mu'min
04-10-2006, 10:09 PM
May peace and blessings be upon you all.

I'll be just satisfied with lying around and not doing any work at all.

Peace out.
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extinction
04-10-2006, 10:12 PM
I want to be in the heaven where rasool s.a.w and musa (moses) ibrahim(abraham) ismail(ishmael) esa (jesus)- (alyhimus salaatu wassalaam)...I want to be in the same heaven as all of them and wish the same for all of you....
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Al-Mu'min
04-10-2006, 10:20 PM
^ Ahh... the five star suites eh? Get in line bro..
But we can dream right? Ameen to that.
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Ghazi
04-10-2006, 10:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by hafizmo
I want to be in the heaven where rasool s.a.w and musa (moses) ibrahim(abraham) ismail(ishmael) esa (jesus)- (alyhimus salaatu wassalaam)...I want to be in the same heaven as all of them and wish the same for all of you....
Salaam

Become a shaheed and you'll have a first class ticket.
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extinction
04-10-2006, 10:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Mu'min
^ Ahh... the five star suites eh? Get in line bro..
But we can dream right? Ameen to that.
yeah man for real...
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Al-Mu'min
04-10-2006, 10:24 PM
Maybe i should confess Mousaui style eh?
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