Christianity Vs. Islam

[Umu 'Isa]

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i came across this a while ago and thought i'd post it

Christianity Vs. Islam

God
Christians believe:
God is three gods merged into one God. This one God is called a Trinity. However, to say that God is three is a blasphemy of the highest order. All three parts of the Trinity are "coequal" "co-eternal" and "the same substance." For this reason, this doctrine is described as "a mystery."
Muslims believe:
God is one God in the most basic, simple, and elementary meaning of the word. He has no children, no parents nor any equal. In Islam God is known by the name "Allah" and more than 99 other venerated names, such as "the Merciful," "the Gracious," "the All-Powerful," etc.

Jesus
Christians believe:
The second member of the Triune God, the Son of the first part of the Triune God, and at the same time "fully" God in every respect.
Muslims believe:
A very elect and highly esteemed messenger of God. No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe this.

The Holy Spirit
Christians believe:
The third member of the Triune God, but also "fully" God in every respect
Muslims believe:
He is the angel Gabriel. The angel Gabriel is highly esteemed as the "Trustworthy Spirit"

Mary Mother of Jesus
Christians believe:
A chaste and pious human woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ, the second member of the Trinity, the Son of God, and at the same time "fully" God Almighty in every respect.
Muslims believe:
A chaste and pious human woman who was chosen, purified, and preferred over all of the women of creation to be the one to give birth to Gods elect messenger Jesus through the command of God without any father whatsoever.

The Word
Christians believe:
Part of God which was "with" God but also "fully" God and then became Jesus the Son of God
Muslims believe:
God’s command "Be!" which resulted in Jesus’ conception in the womb of Mary without the need for a human father.

Previous Prophets
Christians believe:
All accepted, respected, and believed.
Muslims believe:
All accepted, respected, and believed.

The Bible
Christians believe:
Accepted as 100% the faultless word of God
Muslims believe:
Muslims believe in the books of the previous prophets including the "Torah" which was sent to Moses, the "Zaboor" (Psalms) which were given to David, the "Injeel" (Gospel) which was given to Jesus, and the Qur’an which was given to Muhammad However, Muslims are told that the previous scriptures were tampered with by mankind and the Bible should only be accepted in as far as it is confirmed by the Qur’an. It is to be treated with respect, however any statements which clearly oppose those of the Qur’an are to be rejected as the work of mankind.

Muhammad
Christians Believe:
Varying beliefs. Some believe that he was a liar, some believe he was a lunatic, some believe he was the False Messiah, and yet others claim he was deceived by the Devil.
Muslims believe:
The last messenger of God to all of humanity. He was known as "The Truthful, the Trustworthy" before he received his first revelation. He was sent by God as a mercy to all creation. He was a human being but performed a number of miracles during his lifetime by the will of God.

The Qur’an
Christians Believe:
Varying beliefs ranging from it being a copy of the Bible to it being the work of Muhammad (pbuh), to its being the work of Christians and Jews who were conspiring with Muhammad.
Muslims Believe:
The last book of God sent to mankind. It was given the distinction of being personally guarded by God from human tampering. It is on a literary level never before seen by mankind. No human to this day has ever been able to meet its challenge to "write a work similar to it." It shall remain safe from the tampering of mankind till the day of Judgment as a guidance for all Humanity.

Message of Jesus
Christians Believe:
That he was sent by God (who was at the same time "fully" Jesus) in order to die on the cross and save all mankind from the sin of Adam. Without this sacrifice all of humanity was destined to perish in the sin of Adam. After the crucifixion all that is required of humanity is faith without any works.
Muslims Believe:
That he was sent by God as a messenger to the Jews in order to return them to the pure and true religion of Moses, and to relieve them of some of the regulations which had been placed upon them in ancient times. He taught them to have faith as well as works. Neither one can stand alone.

Jesus’ giving life to the dead, healing the blind and the lepers
Christians Believe:
All accepted. He performed them because he was the Son of God and also at the same time "fully" God and the "incarnation" of God.
Muslims Believe:
All accepted. They were performed through the will of God just as Moses, Noah, and all other prophets did so in ancient times through the will of God.

The crucifixion
Christians Believe:
Jesus was given over to the Jews. He was spat on, cut, humiliated, kicked, striped, and finally hung up on the cross and killed very slowly and painfully.
Muslims Believe:
Jesus was not forsaken to the Jews to be abused and killed, however, it was "made to appear so to them." God saved Jesus by raising him up unto Himself.

The second coming of Jesus
Christians Believe:
Accepted. Originally expected to happen during the lifetime of the first disciples, many predictions have been made later and he is still expected at any moment. He is currently anticipated to arrive around the turn of the century (2000 C.E.)
Muslims Believe:
Accepted. Jesus did not die but was raised up into heaven by God. He shall return to earth just before the Day of Judgment in order to kill the "False Messiah" and to establish peace and justice on earth. He will kill the pigs, break the cross, and call all humanity to Islam.

The original sin
Christians Believe:
All of humanity has inherited the sin of Adam. Only the death of the sinless offspring of God could erase this sin. No one is born clean, no matter if his life is only for a single day. Only baptism and faith in the death of Jesus can save one from this destiny.
Muslims Believe:
There is no such thing. Humanity is created by God destined for heaven unless they chose to disobey Him and refuse His mercy. God can very trivially and effortlessly forgive the sins of all of Humanity no matter if they were to fill the lofty regions of the sky. Such a matter would be trivial and inconsequential for Him since He has already done much more than that such as creating everything we can ever see, hear or imagine. He loves to bestow His mercy and forgiveness on His creation and rewards the most trivial acts with the most tremendous rewards. In order to achieve God’s reward one must have faith as well as works

The atonement
Christians Believe:
The sin of Adam was so great that God could not forgive it by simply willing it, rather it was necessary to erase it with the blood of a sinless innocent god named Jesus who was also "fully" God.
Muslims Believe:
Adam "atoned" for his sin by saying "My Lord I have sinned and if you do not forgive me and have mercy upon me then I shall indeed have lost." So God forgave him. Similarly, all human beings have the door to forgiveness left open to them by God until the day they die. There are no intermediaries between mankind and God. If they sincerely repent to God, ask His forgiveness, and forsake their evil deeds before their hour comes then He shall forgive them and there is nothing more pleasing to Him than to forgive the sins of one who comes to Him in sincere repentance

The path to salvation
Christians Believe:
If you have faith in the atonement of Jesus for the sin of Adam which you have inherited then you shall be saved. You only need faith. No work is necessary.
Muslims Believe:
If you have faith in God, believe in His messengers, and obey His commands then He shall multiply every single good deed that you do many, many times and erase your evil deeds, until on the Day of Judgment His mercy shall cause your good deeds to far outweigh your evil deeds and grant you passage into an ecstasy and Paradise so great that we can not even imagine it, to abide there eternally. In the Hereafter there is only reward and no work.

[Malsidabym]

Hi Ladee_Maryam,

God is three gods merged into one God.

I know you didn't right the article but, the statement above I don't really agree with. I grew up knowing God as one God. Period. If there are christians that really think God is three individuals, I personally have not met these christians. That's all I have to say right now. Peace sister. :)

[Makky]

its clear that she didn't mean that the were 3 gods then they merged - mixed- to become one god
no
there is a difference in the christian belief between 1- the father 2-jesus 3- the holy spirit
they are three different persons , three different bodies

one in the heaven
one on the earth
one in between

I'm wondering how christians here in Egypt say : in the name of the father andthe sonandthe holy spirit one god

How?? :)

they'd rather say : in the name of the father the son the holy spirit the one god

what do you think?

I know you'd say : they are 3 pics to the same person , but no

they are 3 personalities

Who died on the cross??? the holy spirit? no .......the father?? no....then who??

So they are 3 believe me

peace

[HeiGou]

The Bible
Christians believe:
Accepted as 100% the faultless word of God
Muslims believe:
Muslims believe in the books of the previous prophets including the "Torah" which was sent to Moses, the "Zaboor" (Psalms) which were given to David, the "Injeel" (Gospel) which was given to Jesus, and the Qur’an which was given to Muhammad However, Muslims are told that the previous scriptures were tampered with by mankind and the Bible should only be accepted in as far as it is confirmed by the Qur’an. It is to be treated with respect, however any statements which clearly oppose those of the Qur’an are to be rejected as the work of mankind.

Well technically it is only a few, mainly American, Churches that have adhered to a literal fundamental approach to the Bible. A lot of other Protestants have flirted with the idea that it is 100 percent faultless Word of God. Yet the main Churches, especially the older ones, accept that the Bible is not 100 percent faultless, but insist that it is inspired by God.

This is why, for instance, the Catholics hold to the Magisterum - the teaching authority of the Church and insist that ordinary people cannot interpret the Bible for themselves without risking falling into error.

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[PrIM3]

Christianity Vs. Islam

God
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Mary Mother of Jesus
Christians believe:
A chaste and pious human woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ, the second member of the Trinity, the Son of God, and at the same time "fully" God Almighty in every respect.
Muslims believe:
A chaste and pious human woman who was chosen, purified, and preferred over all of the women of creation to be the one to give birth to Gods elect messenger Jesus through the command of God without any father whatsoever.

well I really don't understand here... we don't raise mary up as a god... I guess you must be talking about the catholics who have statues of mary... well I am not catholic but I know 2 and they don't believe that mary was ever a god or God.. she is just a person who gave birth to our Lord



Jesus’ giving life to the dead, healing the blind and the lepers
Christians Believe:
All accepted. He performed them because he was the Son of God and also at the same time "fully" God and the "incarnation" of God.
Muslims Believe:
All accepted. They were performed through the will of God just as Moses, Noah, and all other prophets did so in ancient times through the will of God.

Jesus is the Word of God-- when God speaks the Word it is like giving birth. the Word of God is Fully God and the Son of God..

and I am still wondering what maricoulous things noah did? I know he Built the ark but I don't think he did anything like Jesus did.




The atonement
Christians Believe:
The sin of Adam was so great that God could not forgive it by simply willing it, rather it was necessary to erase it with the blood of a sinless innocent god named Jesus who was also "fully" God.

I think it meant a Sinless innocent human named Jesus Christ who was also fully God

The path to salvation
Christians Believe:
If you have faith in the atonement of Jesus for the sin of Adam which you have inherited then you shall be saved. You only need faith. No work is necessary.

according to Jesus once you have faith you will do what He did.. I love my Lord and savior and I will never try to be the guy who nailed him to the tree.
so I am not sure where the heck this person thought about "no work is necessary." it is because of the Spirit that I don't conform to this world but it is because of my flesh that I do.

[Mohammed Bilal]

Hi Ladee_Maryam,



I know you didn't right the article but, the statement above I don't really agree with. I grew up knowing God as one God. Period. If there are christians that really think God is three individuals, I personally have not met these christians. That's all I have to say right now. Peace sister. :)

its true actually i have studied the christian religion quite closely and many catholic christians believe in the trinity. Peace :)

[Skillganon]

Jesus is the Word of God-- when God speaks the Word it is like giving birth. the Word of God is Fully God and the Son of God..

Refer to section highleted Red. (It is very close to what muslim believe)
If Jesus is the Word of God, the trick here is to define "word"?
Is a word (of God) a written image on paper, or is it a sound?
Both has a purpose, that is to convey a message!

Now let's go back to the word as a conveyed image, now if I wrote something on a paper, it is my word, but, you and I will agree, it is not me.
You can, suffice to say, it's my creation.
Or if the word is a sound, than let say I am talking to my children (dnt really have any) to do so I utter a sound (word), this sound is my word, but you and I will agree it is not me.
Suffice to say this sound (word) is my creation.

Now let's look at the second part highleted Blue.
(i.e The Word of God is Fully God, and the Son of God.)

Now let's go back to the theme Word, if I wrote a word on a paper, will you start calling that is Skillganon, you can say it is skillganon work, but the word is not the "Human skillganon"?
Or if I made a sound will you start saying this noise is Skillganon?, No you will say this noise is from skillganon. but you won't say this noise / sound(word) is the "Human Skillganon".

The objective is to show you that the "word" is a creation of the hand that wrote it or whome that uttered it! but not the creator itself!

[PrIM3]

Refer to section highleted Red. (It is very close to what muslim believe)
If Jesus is the Word of God, the trick here is to define "word"?
Is a word (of God) a written image on paper, or is it a sound?
Both has a purpose, that is to convey a message!

Now let's go back to the word as a conveyed image, now if I wrote something on a paper, it is my word, but, you and I will agree, it is not me.
You can, suffice to say, it's my creation.
Or if the word is a sound, than let say I am talking to my children (dnt really have any) to do so I utter a sound (word), this sound is my word, but you and I will agree it is not me.
Suffice to say this sound (word) is my creation.

Now let's look at the second part highleted Blue.
(i.e The Word of God is Fully God, and the Son of God.)

Now let's go back to the theme Word, if I wrote a word on a paper, will you start calling that is Skillganon, you can say it is skillganon work, but the word is not the "Human skillganon"?
Or if I made a sound will you start saying this noise is Skillganon?, No you will say this noise is from skillganon. but you won't say this noise / sound(word) is the "Human Skillganon".

The objective is to show you that the "word" is a creation of the hand that wrote it or whome that uttered it! but not the creator itself!

yeah I understand that.. The Word was with God in the Beginning the Word had always been in God.. but now the Word became flesh.. now what is the Word just human or is the Word God since it has become flesh...

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God in the beginning and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

[Skillganon]

yeah I understand that.. The Word was with God in the Beginning the Word had always been in God.. but now the Word became flesh.. now what is the Word just human or is the Word God since it has become flesh...

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

See here again, you have to define what is word. It is very hard to understand ths concept bcos it raises seriouse problems

Now let's look at here,

A. In the biginning was the Word;
1. Was the Word at the biggining or was it God?
2. It does not define wheter the Word is God at this stage(biggining), since God is the creator.

B. and the word was with God in the biginning;
2. The above A. in red, denotes that the Word in the biginning, and here in B. denotes that the Word was with God in the biginning!

Is their two biginning?

C. and the Word was God;

3. Now the it say's the Word was God all along!!

Let's quote this with Word = God

"In the beginning was the God, and the God was with God, and the God was God."

This sound's to confusing, this does not make much sense.

Let's look at it again with an apostrophy

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's.

This will suggest that the Word was God's, or God's Creation.

But is still doesn't satisfy why the word is stated in the biginning and not God!


Probably a bit of Restructurng;

"In the Biginning was God, and the word was God's, and the word was with God."



Another problem with:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

is that it at least if we take it as it is written, it only talk's about duality, not trinity.

i.e. Only the "Word" and "God"

and even if take God as the father, the son, and the holy ghost in 1.

then the passage will say, substituting the word "God" with the three personage of Trinity.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the father, the son, and the holy ghost, and the Word was the father, the son and the Holy Ghost."

Still doe's not fit in with the concept of trinity! We are still left with the Word, undefined.
Substitute the "Word" above for "Jesus or "the son". i.e Word = Jesus/the son

You will see, the problem more obviousely.

I don't know. How come this concept of John 1:1 is not mentioned anywhere else?

[cleo]

I always thought the trinity was, three, but one in God. But, there is only one God, and that is God. That is why I am not Catholic. I am Muslim. How can it be 3?

[PrIM3]

See here again, you have to define what is word. It is very hard to understand ths concept bcos it raises seriouse problems

Now let's look at here,

A. In the biginning was the Word;
1. Was the Word at the biggining or was it God?
2. It does not define wheter the Word is God at this stage(biggining), since God is the creator.

B. and the word was with God in the biginning;
2. The above A. in red, denotes that the Word in the biginning, and here in B. denotes that the Word was with God in the biginning!

Is their two biginning?

C. and the Word was God;

3. Now the it say's the Word was God all along!!

Let's quote this with Word = God

"In the beginning was the God, and the God was with God, and the God was God."

This sound's to confusing, this does not make much sense.

Let's look at it again with an apostrophy

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's.

This will suggest that the Word was God's, or God's Creation.

But is still doesn't satisfy why the word is stated in the biginning and not God!


Probably a bit of Restructurng;

"In the Biginning was God, and the word was God's, and the word was with God."



Another problem with:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

is that it at least if we take it as it is written, it only talk's about duality, not trinity.

i.e. Only the "Word" and "God"

and even if take God as the father, the son, and the holy ghost in 1.

then the passage will say, substituting the word "God" with the three personage of Trinity.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the father, the son, and the holy ghost, and the Word was the father, the son and the Holy Ghost."

Still doe's not fit in with the concept of trinity! We are still left with the Word, undefined.
Substitute the "Word" above for "Jesus or "the son". i.e Word = Jesus/the son

You will see, the problem more obviousely.

I don't know. How come this concept of John 1:1 is not mentioned anywhere else?

was God ever maimed without his word? or his speaking ability? because of God created everything through Christ Jesus the Word in other words God used His mouth to create things

[akulion]

can I make a small request to everyone?

Please can we stop quoting long posts?

Becuase it looks very untidy..thanks :)

[Skillganon]

was God ever maimed without his word? or his speaking ability? because of God created everything through Christ Jesus the Word in other words God used His mouth to create things

Ah You make me smile.
http://www.islamicboard.com/240357-post7.html. Read this before reflecting on the below.
Now let's say you have many words to say, and you never utter it or write it down................

[jinaan]

Salaam brothers and sisters! If you guys are really interested in this topic a great book to read is The Choice by Ahmad Deedat. I don't know if you guys have heard about it but he really brings up a lot of amzing points.

Take care everyone~

Salamualikum

[north_malaysian]

:sl:
i came across this a while ago and thought i'd post it

Christianity Vs. Islam

Muhammad
Christians Believe:
Varying beliefs. Some believe that he was a liar, some believe he was a lunatic, some believe he was the False Messiah, and yet others claim he was deceived by the Devil.

Dont be shallow minded. I think Most Christians dont think that Muhammad is a lunatic, false messiah, deceived by devils.

The Qur’an
Christians Believe:
Varying beliefs ranging from it being a copy of the Bible to it being the work of Muhammad (pbuh), to its being the work of Christians and Jews who were conspiring with Muhammad. [/QUOTE]

Only extreme minority of Christians believe these.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace to you all

Competition in beliefs can lead to conflict, rather I feel we should look for what is best in each others faith.

I admire greatly the dedication Muslims have for prayer.

In the spirit of searching for greater interfaith friendships

Eric

[jinaan]

Hi Eric,

Thank you for putting that great point out there. All around the world people are fighting religious wars that are leading to nothing but the killing of inocent people. It would be great if we could all respect eachother and get along!:)

jinaan~

[hasan]

Greetings and peace to you all

Competition in beliefs can lead to conflict, rather I feel we should look for what is best in each others faith.

I admire greatly the dedication Muslims have for prayer.

In the spirit of searching for greater interfaith friendships

Eric

Hi Eric ,
I do respect of your religion but as far as i concerned we are here to put light on the right way . By the way being a true christian can you explain me that bible is the word of GOD ........ If yes then i would be the one who will be anxiously waiting for the reply ... I don't want to prove you wrong i want truth ... Prove me not only you , any one , If u prove that bible not ingeel is the word of GOD then every one will come to know the right thing ....

[Nicola]

Hi Ladee_Maryam,



I know you didn't right the article but, the statement above I don't really agree with. I grew up knowing God as one God. Period. If there are christians that really think God is three individuals, I personally have not met these christians. That's all I have to say right now. Peace sister. :)

Agreed...I believe it's something that non-believers just can't comprehend.

[Nicola]

Mary Mother of Jesus
Christians believe:
A chaste and pious human woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ, the second member of the Trinity, the Son of God, and at the same time "fully" God Almighty in every respect.
Muslims believe:
A chaste and pious human woman who was chosen, purified, and preferred over all of the women of creation to be the one to give birth to Gods elect messenger Jesus through the command of God without any father whatsoever

What is does this mean...

"And behold! God will say: O Jesus the son of Mary didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah? He (Jesus) will say: Glory to thee, never could I say what I had no right (to say)". Surah 5:116

This is totaly wrong...Jesus never told anyone to worship Mary. Mary was a mere moral.

[PrIM3]

Ah You make me smile.
http://www.islamicboard.com/240357-post7.html. Read this before reflecting on the below.
Now let's say you have many words to say, and you never utter it or write it down................

well I am not God you can't compare me to God. even if I write words down I cannot say that they are alive.. like God's words are.. God created the universe through His Word (Jesus Christ) but if God never spoke then the universe would have never been.. Jesus Christ is the Word of God who is alive.

[Muslim Knight]

"And behold! God will say: O Jesus the son of Mary didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah? He (Jesus) will say: Glory to thee, never could I say what I had no right (to say)". Surah 5:116

What was totally wrong here? God is asking Jesus whether he did or not ask men to worship him and his mother. He answered that he did not, and futhermore he praised God for having known it all along.

It's like me asking you, "Have you stolen my chocolate this morning?" To which, if you really didn't, you would have answered so. The verse is not wrong.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace jinaan and hasan and welcome to the forum,

Thank you both for your kind response.

By the way being a true christian can you explain me that bible is the word of GOD ........

I can not prove to you that God exists, which leaves me with the greater problem of proving the Bible is the word of God.

Just to carry on from my last post, I would also like to say that I admire the way many Muslims adhere to fasting.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding

Eric

[irfansyah]

Wikipedia seems to have a nice article on how Islam understands Jesus as mentioned in the Quran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa

I am pretty sure the majority of Christians would never realize that muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and not as god.

I think i have read somewhere in the Quran that it is our duty to convey the truth regarding Jesus to christians, and show them to the right path.

I don't really think that many Christians will take a deep breath and contemplate for themselves, "hey, i think i was wrong after all.." if we (muslims) keep offensing the christians by attacking their opinions with emotional debates. I am always wondering on how did the early islamic scholars and traders from India, China, and the Middle East was able to convert the majority of Indonesian population who were Hindu and Budha centuries ago. I suppose they used a cultural approach, for there was no war involved in the process. I also assume they demonstrated a high quality of islamic akhlaq (attitude). Boy am i so grateful to be born as a muslim, although i am now living 'down under' where islam is still in a bit of a trouble...

I believe at the time being, mutual respect and more understanding between muslims and christians is much more important than debating who is right or wrong. Because as we speak now, islam is being feared more than ever before, mostly in christian societies, where they believe that islam is the religion of war, of woman repression, and of uncivilised government... This distorted image of islam must be fixed and corrected... especially by act of good attitude and demonstration of great achievements in peace, humanity, economy, and science, instead of debates and unproved words...

[Nicola]

I admire the way many Muslims adhere to fasting.

I believe many people do not know Christians also fast...

But because of how Jesus told his believers to fast...the secular world does not see this, has it should be, it is hidden...for that is how God wants us to fast.
In secret so no one else knows.

[Skillganon]

well I am not God you can't compare me to God. even if I write words down I cannot say that they are alive.. like God's words are.. God created the universe through His Word (Jesus Christ) but if God never spoke then the universe would have never been.. Jesus Christ is the Word of God who is alive.

I was not comparing you to God (God forid).

Now see you said it yourself, If God never spoke (his word) the world would never came to be. If God never spoke his word (i.e. Be!) Jesus would never come to be.
Now we both agree that Jesus came to be, from an egg, although without a father's intervention, he was given birth by Mary, like any mother give birth. If God never uttered his word, Jesus would of never came to be!

[Nicola]

This distorted image of islam must be fixed and corrected... especially by act of good attitude and demonstration of great achievements in peace, humanity, economy, and science, instead of debates and and unproved words...

There are many millions of people all over the world who love the Muslim people. But because of 'some' radical Muslims...these few have caused fear into peoples hearts. When you are against something you fear...usually the two options are flight or fight.
I like neither and only by debating, (not arguing) I believe can we understand each other more.

God Bless

[PrIM3]

I was not comparing you to God (God forid).

Now see you said it yourself, If God never spoke (his word) the world would never came to be. If God never spoke his word (i.e. Be!) Jesus would never come to be.
Now we both agree that Jesus came to be, from an egg, although without a father's intervention, he was given birth by Mary, like any mother give birth. If God never uttered his word, Jesus would of never came to be!

Jesus Christ is that Very Word of God

so God was maimed at one point your saying?

I never said the Word came to be because it always was.. even if God's Word never came into flesh He would have still existed....

[HeiGou]

What was totally wrong here? God is asking Jesus whether he did or not ask men to worship him and his mother. He answered that he did not, and futhermore he praised God for having known it all along.

It's like me asking you, "Have you stolen my chocolate this morning?" To which, if you really didn't, you would have answered so. The verse is not wrong.

I think that the previous poster is objecting to the implication of the question. As no Christian I know of has ever said that Jesus said to worship His Mother, to ask the question is to suggest something misleading. It is like being asked when you stopped beating your wife. If I asked you if you had stopped drinking this morning, how would you respond? President Lyndon Johnson once said he was going to spread a rumor that a political opponent had, umm, "pleasured" himself with a pig. His Aide said why would he want to say something that was so obviously untrue, and Johnson said he knew it was untrue, he just wanted to see his opponent deny it. You see how that differs from stealing chocolate?

[Muslim Knight]

I think that the previous poster is objecting to the implication of the question. As no Christian I know of has ever said that Jesus said to worship His Mother, to ask the question is to suggest something misleading. It is like being asked when you stopped beating your wife.

That's the whole point. Jesus never asked anyone to worship his mother. Yet there are statues of Mary and that Christians have been telling us Mary is the Mother of God. God is asking Jesus, did he ask them to worship which he explicitly denied.

If I asked you if you had stopped drinking this morning, how would you respond? President Lyndon Johnson once said he was going to spread a rumor that a political opponent had, umm, "pleasured" himself with a pig. His Aide said why would he want to say something that was so obviously untrue, and Johnson said he knew it was untrue, he just wanted to see his opponent deny it.

Well, God is not President Lyndon Johnson. If you asked me if I had stopped drinking this morning, I would respond saying that I have never been drinking (alchohol) before. It's easy as that.

He simply asked Jesus, "Did you asked people to worship you and your mother?" to which the latter replied negative. It's a question to the Christians that Jesus never asked people to worship him and his mother, then why should people worship him as God or put up statues of Mary and saying that she is the Mother of God.

You see how that differs from stealing chocolate?

Of course it is.

[Nicola]

What was totally wrong here? God is asking Jesus whether he did or not ask men to worship him and his mother. He answered that he did not, and futhermore he praised God for having known it all along.

It's like me asking you, "Have you stolen my chocolate this morning?" To which, if you really didn't, you would have answered so. The verse is not wrong.

Why would God need to ask Jesus anything?...
Jesus praised God?...little point in the question then wasn't it?

Could you then explain what is the point in this scripture?

You would need to ask me if I had taken your chocolate...because you are not all-knowing, your human...
But if you where all-knowing..I would wonder to myself, why you had wasted your time and mine asking me in the first place.

[Nicola]

I never said the Word came to be because it always was.. even if God's Word never came into flesh He would have still existed....

Exactly,

[Nicola]

That's the whole point. Jesus never asked anyone to worship his mother. Yet there are statues of Mary and that Christians have been telling us Mary is the Mother of God. God is asking Jesus, did he ask them to worship which he explicitly denied.

He simply asked Jesus, "Did you asked people to worship you and your mother?" to which the latter replied negative. It's a question to the Christians that Jesus never asked people to worship him and his mother, then why should people worship him as God or put up statues of Mary and saying that she is the Mother of God.

Of course it is.

When these statues of Mary built? in the time of Mohammed?

Why do you believe the Religious Jewish Leaders wanted Jesus dead?

Why do you think Jesus tells us he is the only way to get to the Father?

[HeiGou]

That's the whole point. Jesus never asked anyone to worship his mother. Yet there are statues of Mary and that Christians have been telling us Mary is the Mother of God. God is asking Jesus, did he ask them to worship which he explicitly denied.

Except no one thinks Mary is a God. "And behold! God will say: O Jesus the son of Mary didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah? He (Jesus) will say: Glory to thee, never could I say what I had no right (to say)". Surah 5:116. Now there may be some Christian offshoot I do not know of, just as apparently there was a Jewish one that worshipped Ezra as the Son of God, but if you say that Christians worship Mary as a God they may get offended.

So we are back to the point which is some Christian guy probably got offended at the implication of that passage which seems to suggest Christians do something they would regard as blasphemy.

Well, God is not President Lyndon Johnson. If you asked me if I had stopped drinking this morning, I would respond saying that I have never been drinking (alchohol) before. It's easy as that.

And you would not be offended at the implication that you drank?

He simply asked Jesus, "Did you asked people to worship you and your mother?" to which the latter replied negative. It's a question to the Christians that Jesus never asked people to worship him and his mother, then why should people worship him as God or put up statues of Mary and saying that she is the Mother of God.

But putting up statues and saying she is the Mother of God is not the same as saying she is God. Christians do not say that and might reasonably get offended if you said they did. Now this passage may refer to some small Christian heresy no one has ever heard of, but it does not refer to anything that normal Christians do.

[Skillganon]

Jesus Christ is that Very Word of God

so God was maimed at one point your saying?

I never said the Word came to be because it always was.. even if God's Word never came into flesh He would have still existed....

Define Word for me! What is a Word?

Go on tell me!

[Goku]

What is does this mean...

"And behold! God will say: O Jesus the son of Mary didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah? He (Jesus) will say: Glory to thee, never could I say what I had no right (to say)". Surah 5:116

This is totaly wrong...Jesus never told anyone to worship Mary. Mary was a mere moral.

Hi

Some Christians, (I think from the Catholic sect) worship Mary and ask her for blessings and praise her. On the Day of Judgement, God will say the contents of that verse to Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) to show the error of those people who raised Mary to that status.

Peace.

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

As no Christian I know of has ever said that Jesus said to worship His Mother

But many Christians do act towards Mary in a manner that Muslims would consider worship. On the verse:
http://www.islamicboard.com/showpost...29&postcount=9

Regards

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

:sl:

can I make a small request to everyone?

Please can we stop quoting long posts?

Becuase it looks very untidy..thanks :)

It also happens to be against forum rules if anyone bothered to check:

17.When a long article/post has been posted, and you want to comment on the article/post, do not quote it since it is a waste of space.


JazakumAllahu khayran for the reminder, br. Akulion
:w:

[Ahmad]

Bismillah

Read this http://www.holybible.com/resources/athanasius_creed.htm

[Muslim Knight]

And you would not be offended at the implication that you drank?

I would be at least be annoyed but God and I alone knows the truth. If people say I was drinking they would have to bring proof. If there is proof then it is. If not, then not. What I feel then is what I have to overcome myself.

But putting up statues and saying she is the Mother of God is not the same as saying she is God. Christians do not say that and might reasonably get offended if you said they did. Now this passage may refer to some small Christian heresy no one has ever heard of, but it does not refer to anything that normal Christians do.

Saying Mary is the Mother of God generally implies that she is greater since she gives birth to a god. And the amount of reverence given to her indicates so.

[vpb]

as far as I know orthodox worship Mary too, i've seen them many times sitting on their knees and asking help in front of Mary picture or statue.

isn't orthodox part of christianity? they have bible too, as far as I know :D

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace to you all

I like the way that Muslims try and avoid temptation by the way women wear their clothes.

In the spirit of seeking greater interfaith understanding

Eric

[Al-Mu'min]

Brother Eric,
May peace be upon you. Both sexes are also commanded to lower thier gaze in the presence of the opposite sex to avoid temptation.

Peace.

[HeiGou]

I would be at least be annoyed but God and I alone knows the truth. If people say I was drinking they would have to bring proof. If there is proof then it is. If not, then not. What I feel then is what I have to overcome myself.

Sure it is a sin to spread bad rumors about each other in Islam? You would be annoyed. What if you were on national TV and someone asked you when you decided you were not gay? You think that your Mother, if she was watching, might not be upset at the implication?

Saying Mary is the Mother of God generally implies that she is greater since she gives birth to a god. And the amount of reverence given to her indicates so.

I'll tell my Mother that. I think she will appreciate it because she seems to think I don't think that often enough!

Reverence is not worship. Being the Mother of God is still not being God. Muhammed had a mother. Who thinks she was greater?

[HeiGou]

as far as I know orthodox worship Mary too, i've seen them many times sitting on their knees and asking help in front of Mary picture or statue.

isn't orthodox part of christianity? they have bible too, as far as I know :D

The Orthodox Church is indeed part of the Christian community (although some Churches might disagree). But what they are doing is still not worship and they would be offended if you said so. Nowhere are Christians told to worship Mary and no Church I know of has ever said she was God.

[Muslim Knight]

Sure it is a sin to spread bad rumors about each other in Islam? You would be annoyed. What if you were on national TV and someone asked you when you decided you were not gay? You think that your Mother, if she was watching, might not be upset at the implication?

What is your point exactly?

Reverence is not worship. Being the Mother of God is still not being God. Muhammed had a mother. Who thinks she was greater?

No Muslim worship Muhammad as God or the Son of God. There's the difference here.

[hasan]

Greetings and peace jinaan and hasan and welcome to the forum,

Thank you both for your kind response.

I can not prove to you that God exists, which leaves me with the greater problem of proving the Bible is the word of God.

Just to carry on from my last post, I would also like to say that I admire the way many Muslims adhere to fasting.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding

Eric

assalam-o-alaik,
may the peace and blessings of allah tabaral -o- taa'la be upon you .
By the way I did ask about the book not to prove GOD , I asked to prove GOD's word not the GOD . For example if you lit a fire on hand then you can not prove the burning pain but can prove , fire is hot . Hope you understand .

[hasan]

Greetings and peace jinaan and hasan and welcome to the forum,

Thank you both for your kind response.

I can not prove to you that God exists, which leaves me with the greater problem of proving the Bible is the word of God.

Just to carry on from my last post, I would also like to say that I admire the way many Muslims adhere to fasting.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding

Eric

Hi Eric ,
may peace be upon you ,
By the way Eric i asked you to prove Bible the word of GOD not the GOD .
For example if you lit a fire on your hand then you can't prove the burning pain but , can prove that the fire is hot . Hope you understand .

[Al-Mu'min]

Peace.
The worship of Mary[may peace and blessings be upon her], though repudiated by the Protestants, wise widely spread during the earlier churches both in the East and West.
Since then a lot of changes have happened to the church.
Peace.

[hidden_treasure]

[QUOTE=jinaan;240483]Salaam brothers and sisters! If you guys are really interested in this topic a great book to read is The Choice by Ahmad Deedat. I don't know if you guys have heard about it but he really brings up a lot of amzing points.

Assalamu alaikum,

Ahmed deedat was a legend..may Allah have mercy upon his soul , ameen.
(as i heard he passed away).

Yes, the 3 in 1 concept...even the christians cannot explain this.

I was a christian up until i went and saw Ahmed deedat debate a christian on islam and christianity...subhanallah....islam is so simple...easy to understand, basic, it just makes sense.

Why do you think so many people are coming to islam?

Islam...we worship the Creator, NOT the creation....

[hidden_treasure]

Greetings and peace to you all

I like the way that Muslims try and avoid temptation by the way women wear their clothes.

In the spirit of seeking greater interfaith understanding

Eric

Thank you Eric...you seem like a nice person.

The veil is an honour for the muslim women. I love the fact that no man can see me... (i cover everything except my eyes)...therefore i am not looked upon with perversity, as a mere sexual object to be exploited. No man can flirt with me, judge me on my beauty, they have no rights to me or my body. I am for my husbands eyes only...i feel as though i am a hidden treasure..hence the name..

[PrIM3]

[QUOTE=hidden_treasure;242102]

Islam...we worship the Creator, NOT the creation....

yeah... we worship the creator to.. though not to many people understand that Jesus is that Very Word through which all things were created.

[Nicola]

Yes, the 3 in 1 concept...even the christians cannot explain this.

Your right a lot of Christians do not understand the trinity...though all Born-again Christians understand it..

I was a christian up until i went and saw Ahmed deedat debate a christian on islam and christianity...subhanallah....islam is so simple...easy to understand, basic, it just makes sense.

Why do you think so many people are coming to islam?

Thanks for enlightening me...has to why people turn to Islam.

Yes the Bible is harder to understand for non-believers...this is why Jesus spoke in parables for that very reason.

[PrIM3]

Define Word for me! What is a Word?

Go on tell me!

I think in human logic word is described as A sound or a combination of sounds, or its representation in writing or printing, that symbolizes and communicates a meaning and may consist of a single morpheme or of a combination of morphemes.

But in God logic ---For the word of God is living and active-- hebrew4:12. and we all know that God is truth so is the Word ( Jesus Christ ).

[HeiGou]

The worship of Mary[may peace and blessings be upon her], though repudiated by the Protestants, wise widely spread during the earlier churches both in the East and West.
Since then a lot of changes have happened to the church.

There is no worship of Mary in any Christian Church I know of. There is something you might think looks like it, but there isn't. Ask a Christian.

[Skillganon]

I think in human logic word is described as A sound or a combination of sounds, or its representation in writing or printing, that symbolizes and communicates a meaning and may consist of a single morpheme or of a combination of morphemes.

But in God logic ---For the word of God is living and active-- hebrew4:12. and we all know that God is truth so is the Word ( Jesus Christ ).

Thank You, You describe Word.

It is the "WORD OF GOD" is not god!.

You support what I said earlier that Jesus is a creation, of God. Not God!
---> http://www.islamicboard.com/240357-post7.html

[Al-Mu'min]

There is no worship of Mary in any Christian Church I know of. There is something you might think looks like it, but there isn't. Ask a Christian.

I'm talking about Mary being worshipped during the early churches over 1600 years ago.

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

There is no worship of Mary in any Christian Church I know of. There is something you might think looks like it, but there isn't. Ask a Christian.

I've already answered this for you; here it is again:
http://www.islamicboard.com/241429-post9.html

And the Muslim concept of 'ibadah is much broader than the western notion of worship.

[Nicola]

I'm talking about Mary being worshipped during the early churches over 1600 years ago.

do you have link to back this up please?

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

do you have link to back this up please?

http://www.islamicboard.com/241429-post9.html

[Al-Mu'min]

do you have link to back this up please?

This is a non-muslim link:
http://www.remnantofgod.org/godmary.htm

[PrIM3]

Thank You, You describe Word.

It is the "WORD OF GOD" is not god!.

You support what I said earlier that Jesus is a creation, of God. Not God!
---> http://www.islamicboard.com/240357-post7.html

please I don't understand what you are meaning... God had to create His Word? like i've been trying to ask you... was God ever maimed?

[Skillganon]

please I don't understand what you are meaning... God had to create His Word? like i've been trying to ask you... was God ever maimed?

Jesus is a creation of God, in the sense that adam is a creation of God! Yes. God has to only speack his word "be" for a thing to happen!

Care to explain, the whole John 1 is not found anywhere in the bible, and secondly can you make any sense out of it?

See here: http://www.islamicboard.com/240409-post9.html

[irsha]

Thank you Eric...you seem like a nice person.

The veil is an honour for the muslim women. I love the fact that no man can see me... (i cover everything except my eyes)...therefore i am not looked upon with perversity, as a mere sexual object to be exploited. No man can flirt with me, judge me on my beauty, they have no rights to me or my body. I am for my husbands eyes only...i feel as though i am a hidden treasure..hence the name..

It is common, among rich people, to have replica's made of fine-expensive jewelry. Then the real jewelry is left in a safe place where no-one can see it, and the false jewelry is displayed. I have never undesrtood the point of that.

[PrIM3]

Hello and Peace,
Skillganon

Jesus is a creation of God, in the sense that adam is a creation of God! Yes. God has to only speack his word "be" for a thing to happen!

Care to explain, the whole John 1 is not found anywhere in the bible, and secondly can you make any sense out of it?

See here: http://www.islamicboard.com/240409-post9.html

and what I am saying is Jesus IS that Word.

John 1:3 Through Him (Jesus Christ = The Word ) all things were made; without Him (Jesus Christ = The Word ) nothing was made that has been made.

please tell me what you think I am saying...

I'll try to fill in the gaps for you:

Jesus-in the human FLESH is a creation of God, in the sense that adam is a creation of God! Yes. God has to only speak The Word(Jesus Christ ) "be" for a thing to happen!

what I am trying to say up above is that Jesus Christ IS the Word of God- through Him all things were created..
in Genesis God uses Christ to create things:

And God Said...

Psalm 33:6-- By the word of the Lord were the heavens made..



Psalm 119:89-- Your word, O Lord, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens..

Now from the beginning(even before) of the fall of Adam and Eve God decided to send a savior- who would it be? who would be the perfect person for this job other than the very Word of God Himself..

according to Genesis 3:15- and I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will srike his heel.

[laylatul qadar]

Umm..... what i don't get is how god can be 3 then merge

[laylatul qadar]

Umm..... what i don't get is how god can be 3 then merge into 1. and if jesus waz the son of god how is he a god? And exactly how many bibles are out there coz i heard there are lots.:?:confused: :exhausted

[vpb]

The Orthodox Church is indeed part of the Christian community (although some Churches might disagree). But what they are doing is still not worship and they would be offended if you said so. Nowhere are Christians told to worship Mary and no Church I know of has ever said she was God.

Heigou, well, if u get down on your knees and but your hands together(cross the fingers), and ask help from Mary, what would u call this? isn't that worship? don't u agree that God is the only one that we should ask help from? what u're saying is exactly as some african americans that call themselves ****, but they are offended if a white person call them like that .

P.S i am not trying to make any difference between races or offend anyone

[PrIM3]

Umm..... what i don't get is how god can be 3 then merge into 1. and if jesus waz the son of god how is he a god? And exactly how many bibles are out there coz i heard there are lots.:?:confused: :exhausted

well I don't get it either but then something out there tells me that He is God and I cannot understand him.. unlike what you believe God is one and just one..

and like I have been trying to tell Skillganon is that Jesus is the Word of God.. John 1:1 states in the BEGINNING was the Word and the Word was with God and He was with God in the beginning.. before things ever took place... I guess not sure when God decided to create things.. but all I know is that Jesus is that very Word of God (that created everything) that came into Flesh. according to my understanding the term Jesus Christ means Annointed Savior.

are you confuse that we have different Bibles for different people who have different taste or..

[sheerheart1]

its true actually i have studied the christian religion quite closely and many catholic christians believe in the trinity. Peace :)

the way they explain it as an egg in three parts
but u come to a verse like

when jesus is praying who is he oraying and crying to himself ??/ or god ??
:giggling:

[sheerheart1]

its true actually i have studied the christian religion quite closely and many catholic christians believe in the trinity. Peace :)

the way they explain it as an egg in three parts
but u come to a verse like

when jesus is praying who is he praying and crying to himself ??/ or god ??
:giggling:

[PrIM3]

the way they explain it as an egg in three parts
but u come to a verse like

when jesus is praying who is he oraying and crying to himself ??/ or god ??
:giggling:

Jesus prayed to show an example of how we should pray that is why most of the things He said..Jesus also praying showed the relationship they had together.. I came not on my own but from him, or I do nothing on my own but the will of his... How many times can you say that you ever said you are not going out tonight but I will do the will of God or Allah..?

[HeiGou]

Heigou, well, if u get down on your knees and but your hands together(cross the fingers), and ask help from Mary, what would u call this? isn't that worship? don't u agree that God is the only one that we should ask help from? what u're saying is exactly as some african americans that call themselves ****, but they are offended if a white person call them like that .

Well there's something I haven't thought of trying recently. If I have my Catholic theology right, I would not be worshipping Mary, I would be asking for her help. Just as Muslim prayer is based on who someone behaves in a Royal Court, so too is Christian theology determined by the social milieu it came into. And in the Late Roman Empire, if you could not appeal to the Emperor, you would beg his Ministers or his Mother for help. The power resides in the Emperor still. In the same way Mary is dead. She is in Heaven. If we are too afraid to ask God for something, we can ask Mary to ask God for something for us. I do not see it is wrong to ask someone else to pray for us. But I can see how Muslims might see it. Mind you they too used to have, and some still do, "friends of God".

[Al-Mu'min]

Hello and Peace,
Skillganon
and what I am saying is Jesus IS that Word.

So if that is true, and Jesus is also God, then does that mean he is his own word?

[Abu Zakariya]

If we are too afraid to ask God for something, we can ask Mary to ask God for something for us.

The Quraysh used the same logic for worshipping their idols. They didn't consider them to be gods per se, they considered them to be intercessors with God.

And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." 10:18

Why is it considered polytheism to pray to Mary, Muhammed, Angel Gabriel or whatever?

1. As for human beings like Mary and Muhammed, they are dead and in their graves. They can't hear us.

2. To pray to Mary or someone else instead of praying directly to God, is to imply that God isn't fair, and that one needs to go to someone else instead of going to God. You mentioned this:

And in the Late Roman Empire, if you could not appeal to the Emperor, you would beg his Ministers or his Mother for help.

Well, we can appeal to God and don't need to God to anyone else, because He is the epitome of Justice and will listen to our prayer.

And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright. (Al-Baqarah 2:186)

Why does someone go to a minister of the emperor or the mother of the emperor, instead of going directly to the emperor? This because one may feel that in doing so the emperor will be more willing to listen, or be fair or that the emperor might be more merciful.
But this isn't the case with God. We don't need to go to an intercessor. He'll listen to our prayer and be Just.

You wrote:

I do not see it is wrong to ask someone else to pray for us.

It isn't wrong. The Prophets Companions used to go to the Prophet and ask him to supplicate for rain during his lifetime. What happened when he died, though? They went to his cousin, ibn 'Abbas. This is because the Prophet was in his grave and couldn't hear the people anymore, so they went to someone that could, in this case ibn 'Abbas.
There's nothing wrong with going to a Muslim brother or sister and asking him/her to pray for us, as long as this person is alive.


I was talking about how the whole intercession-deal is polytheistic.
Don't get me started on the whole "Mother of God"-deal.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Hi Ladee_Maryam,



I know you didn't right the article but, the statement above I don't really agree with. I grew up knowing God as one God. Period. If there are christians that really think God is three individuals, I personally have not met these christians. That's all I have to say right now. Peace sister. :)

i met a lot of these christians on the bus and on my front door. There missionaries, its suprising you havent met one. But i am glad you arent one for truelly there is only one god! "AHAD!!!" :)

:peace:

[Kittygyal]

bro that is so true but all i can say it is hard for some christians to believe that there is one god!

take care

[sheerheart1]

bro that is so true but all i can say it is hard for some christians to believe that there is one god!

take care

yes some christians do believe in one god they dont make partners to him

[Kittygyal]

well sis that is so true but am not saying all dont but most people even think Jesus was god :heated: !

take care

[IbnAbdulHakim]

well sis that is so true but am not saying all dont but most people even think Jesus was god :heated: !

take care

hmm, to be honest i've neva met any1 who thought jesus was God? I wonder what there like :?

[Kittygyal]

hmm, to be honest i've neva met any1 who thought jesus was God? I wonder what there like :?

trust me a bro called ''god'' said that yesterday and i was shocked me self! :heated:

take care

[libyanhero]

salamu3alaykum wa rahmatullah

let me give christianitys some questions to answer

1. If Jesus(as) was a God in which you claim, how could he be given birth when God never dies, think about it when your mother gave you birth before that you werent able to see, eat or smell so I don't understand where they get there Trinity from. Explain

2. Jesus(as) is a simple man with the same structure as you and I, he was human and anything could happen to him that could also happen to I so how is your lord in control? Explain

3. How is your lord Jesus(as) able to die and be persecuted can u answer?



Why don't some of us humans accept that there is a higher authority, we do for instance the King or president of a country is in the peoples leadership he is in the higher authority why cant the president just kill the people as he likes which was tried by some notorious presidents and didnt not succeed for Allah is the one who causes you to die so who is the highest authority now.

The president/King of the country has guidelines and rules to follow its a job he has to follow but Allah doesnt have to follow but can enfore if he would like to but he given u the free choice

[Kittygyal]

true say bro i think alot of christians need to refer to these questions and think about it!

take care

[HeiGou]

let me give christianitys some questions to answer

Well that doesn't strictly apply but I'll do my best.

1. If Jesus(as) was a God in which you claim, how could he be given birth when God never dies, think about it when your mother gave you birth before that you werent able to see, eat or smell so I don't understand where they get there Trinity from. Explain

Jesus was God Incarnate - He came down to Earth and chose to be born as a human being in order to redeem mankind. But of course there is only one God, so obviously Jesus has to be part of the Trinity.

2. Jesus(as) is a simple man with the same structure as you and I, he was human and anything could happen to him that could also happen to I so how is your lord in control? Explain

In Muslim teachings perhaps but in Christians ones He was clearly more given His ability to raise the dead, feed the masses, walk on water etc etc.

3. How is your lord Jesus(as) able to die and be persecuted can u answer?

Jesus was both human and divine. He had, and I had better be careful now as to which of many heresies I walk into, two natures - one divine and one human. The human body could be killed - and indeed was offered up as a sacrifice for all of humanity - but the divine nature could not. As seen by the fact that He rose from the dead and walked around and talked to people.

Why don't some of us humans accept that there is a higher authority, we do for instance the King or president of a country is in the peoples leadership he is in the higher authority why cant the president just kill the people as he likes which was tried by some notorious presidents and didnt not succeed for Allah is the one who causes you to die so who is the highest authority now.

I am not sure that I follow this. Most people, Christian or not, accept there is a Higher Authority in the religious sense. Surely a President can just kill all the people as he likes. Many have done so. I do not know of a case where it was obvious that God prevented them. Stalin lived a long healthy life. The North Vietnamese Army seems an unlikely vessel of divine grace in Cambodia. Adi Amin lived out his years in Saudi Arabia and Mobote wasn't much better. Perhaps God has intervened in many other cases, but I don't know of any.

The president/King of the country has guidelines and rules to follow its a job he has to follow but Allah doesnt have to follow but can enfore if he would like to but he given u the free choice

What free choice has God given me? Suppose I was to decide to send or not to send this post. Can we agree that when God created the Universe He already knew which I was going to do? If I wanted to defy Him and not do what He knew I was going to do, can I?

[Sahfiya]

ye ahmed dedat books and tapes are very good, me got them, hes got good points mashallah.

[PrIM3]

So if that is true, and Jesus is also God, then does that mean he is his own word?

Al-Mu'min I will answer your question when I am out of school

[Kittygyal]

Al-Mu'min I will answer your question when I am out of school

can i just ask do you even think Jesus is god:?

(just asking)

take care

[PrIM3]

Yes I do believe he is God. I believe He is God in Human flesh.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created. things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

Peace,

[Kittygyal]

ok bro but i'm getting confused here because when i was a christian i believe that Jesus was son of god

tk/cr

[Skillganon]

ok bro but i'm getting confused here because when i was a christian i believe that Jesus was son of god

tk/cr

:giggling: :giggling: :giggling:

[PrIM3]

ok bro but i'm getting confused here because when i was a christian i believe that Jesus was son of god

tk/cr

Think about as this one God-- who created everything--- the Father just by speaking His Word--- The Son.. and then we have the Holy Spirit which is how God is able to be different places at once.
the Holy Spirit is how we are able to be Step-Childrens of God.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Think about as this one God-- who created everything--- the Father just by speaking His Word--- The Son.. and then we have the Holy Spirit which is how God is able to be different places at once.
the Holy Spirit is how we are able to be Step-Childrens of God.

its easier for me to think theres one all-mighty God who watches over us and sent us messengers to guide us. The messengers are how we are able to follow the rulings of Allah (swt) :)

:peace:

PS: plz carry on sharing knowledge, was very interesting to hear what u hav to say :)