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*noor
04-23-2006, 10:57 PM
Assalaamu alaikum

I have a question. If anyone knows the answer and has supporting evidence please let me know because I always get different answers regarding this topic.

OK

The question is: Is it permissable for us to eat from ahle kitaab (people of the book), meaning Christians and Jews.?? :?

If you know any supporting hadith or verse from the quran that leads to an answer to this question, please post it here.

Jazakum Allah.
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SirZubair
04-23-2006, 11:08 PM
In this time and age,i would say No.

Why would you anyway?there are so many halal butchers all over the place.

Or you can go to a farm and kill an animal yourself.

thats my opinion anyway.

wa'salaam.
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*noor
04-23-2006, 11:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SirZubair
In this time and age,i would say No.

Why would you anyway?there are so many halal butchers all over the place.

heres an example

say you have a Christian or Jewish friend or neighbor that invites you over for dinner, and the meal consists partly of meat (not pork).

did the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) used to eat from his Jewish or Christian neighbors??

im not sure and i really want to know

Jazakum Allah
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Abdullah4ever
04-23-2006, 11:18 PM
:sl:

Allah Taãla says in the Noble Qurãn:
'Today I have made permissible for you pure things and the food of those who were given the Book (Ahlul-Kitaab) is also Halal for you'. (Qurãn 5:4)

Overtly the above Aayat reads that the Zabihah of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible, but the fundamental principle must be understood in order to understand the Qurãn i.e. 'One part of the Qurãn explains the other'. Therefore, this verse should be understood in the light of another verse relating to the same matter: 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken and this (not taking Allah's name) practice is transgression' (Quran 6:121)

While the former verse explicitly states that the Zabihah of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible and the latter says, 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken', in the light of both these verses, it is understood that the Zabihah of the Ahlul-kitaab is permissible only if the name of Allah is taken at the time of slaughtering. The Ahlul-kitaab used to take Allah's name when slaughtering an animal, therefore, their Zabihah was also Halal for Muslims. It is for this same reason that an animal slaughtered by the Mushrikeen, etc. is not permissible. The Ahlul-kitaab of today are recognized by name, less faith. There is no guarantee that they take the name of Allah/God when slaughtering an animal. Furthermore, they cannot be anymore trusted in matters pertaining to Halal/Haram.

Since there is uncertainty in the above slaughter manner, the Jurists are unanimous that it is not permissible to consume meat which is doubtful. Unless there is certainty that the Ahlul-kitaab read the 'Tasmiyah' i.e. take the name of God when slaughtering an animal then only will the meat be permissible. We suggest that the Muslims in the U.S.A. and U.K. slaughter the animals themselves. A committee be appointed and look into ways to facilitate for Halaal meat slaughtered by Muslims. This will make them independent from Christian/Jewish sources.

Another proposition may be that the meat sold on the market are packed, sealed and stamped by a Muslim organisation consisting of reliable scholars and Úlama who have proper Islamic knowledge of the principles pertaining to Halaal/Haraam of the Shariáh.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

taken from eat-halal.com
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*noor
04-23-2006, 11:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdullah4ever
:sl:

Allah Taãla says in the Noble Qurãn:
'Today I have made permissible for you pure things and the food of those who were given the Book (Ahlul-Kitaab) is also Halal for you'. (Qurãn 5:4)

Overtly the above Aayat reads that the Zabihah of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible, but the fundamental principle must be understood in order to understand the Qurãn i.e. 'One part of the Qurãn explains the other'. Therefore, this verse should be understood in the light of another verse relating to the same matter: 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken and this (not taking Allah's name) practice is transgression' (Quran 6:121)

While the former verse explicitly states that the Zabihah of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible and the latter says, 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken', in the light of both these verses, it is understood that the Zabihah of the Ahlul-kitaab is permissible only if the name of Allah is taken at the time of slaughtering. The Ahlul-kitaab used to take Allah's name when slaughtering an animal, therefore, their Zabihah was also Halal for Muslims. It is for this same reason that an animal slaughtered by the Mushrikeen, etc. is not permissible. The Ahlul-kitaab of today are recognized by name, less faith. There is no guarantee that they take the name of Allah/God when slaughtering an animal. Furthermore, they cannot be anymore trusted in matters pertaining to Halal/Haram.

Since there is uncertainty in the above slaughter manner, the Jurists are unanimous that it is not permissible to consume meat which is doubtful. Unless there is certainty that the Ahlul-kitaab read the 'Tasmiyah' i.e. take the name of God when slaughtering an animal then only will the meat be permissible. We suggest that the Muslims in the U.S.A. and U.K. slaughter the animals themselves. A committee be appointed and look into ways to facilitate for Halaal meat slaughtered by Muslims. This will make them independent from Christian/Jewish sources.

Another proposition may be that the meat sold on the market are packed, sealed and stamped by a Muslim organisation consisting of reliable scholars and Úlama who have proper Islamic knowledge of the principles pertaining to Halaal/Haraam of the Shariáh.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

taken from eat-halal.com

Jazakum Allah
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Abdullah4ever
04-23-2006, 11:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nurofislam
Jazakum Allah
:sl:

Wa Iyakum :)
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north_malaysian
04-24-2006, 03:09 AM
Prophet Muhammad ate a lamb roast prepared by a Jewess.

I think it safer to eat kosher food, because the religious Jews follow their dietary law so strictly.

Christians - it's hard to figure it out. :rollseyes
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*noor
04-25-2006, 02:56 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Prophet Muhammad ate a lamb roast prepared by a Jewess.

I think it safer to eat kosher food, because the religious Jews follow their dietary law so strictly.

Christians - it's hard to figure it out. :rollseyes

yeah, i hear that a lot
thanks.
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extinction
04-25-2006, 03:07 AM
but i heard nowadays kosher food isnt ok for us muslims...
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*noor
04-25-2006, 03:09 AM
oh well, its a good thing i no how to cook..........so ill never be forced to eat out in restaurants and worry about the permissability of the meat.
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extinction
04-25-2006, 03:10 AM
well its good then so your kids wont have to eat out of microwave meals
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Silver Pearl
04-26-2006, 06:25 AM
This thread is better suited in the basic islam section and thus has been moved from general chat.

Jizakallah khayr

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