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05-03-2005, 04:39 PM
I'm new to islam and I was asked what kind of Musilm i'm going to be I was thinking about that one alot lately what is the big thing as long as I'm Musilm how can you pick? I pray to Allah so what kind is that I heard that nation of Islam is one but a friend than told me that it is not part of islam and what about five%er are they apart if islam I only 20 and I know a little not that much as you can see. but I have alot of Questions> I hope some one can help me with them here. :wilted_ro

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05-03-2005, 04:51 PM

you shouldnt go into these sects known as 5 percenters or nation of islam, the prophet (s) told us there are 73 sects of islam that will go to hell because of their incorrect belief.

If you want to be a certain part of islam, you should be in this group :

ahl as sunnah wal jama'ah

This is the group that the prophet (s) will be the one to go heaven. Do some research.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

Ansar Al-'Adl
05-03-2005, 05:18 PM
Please try the sectarian section for some good articles. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

05-05-2005, 02:55 PM
we should follow Quran and hadith and leave all those sects..nation of islam and other sects r NOT part of islam. If u follow Quran/Hadith u will be called Ahlul Sunnah (follower of prophet), dont go into nation of islam/shia/qadiyani stuff

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Ibn Abi Ahmed
05-05-2005, 03:58 PM
Nation of Islam i think dont even deserve to be called muslims because of what their leader the cursed (May Allah Damn Him) elijah muhhamed said. he called hiself a messenger of Allah. What a liar, he is one of the 30 liars that will apperar before the Day of Qiyamah.

Sister just follow the staright path. The five pillars are the most important. Verily the pophet did say in his last Khutbah: " I leave behind me 2 things, which if you will follow you will never go astray, The Quran and My Sunnah" they are all you need to attain jannah Inshallah.


Bint Abdusattar
05-05-2005, 08:09 PM

When anyone asks that kind of question, you should simply ask them: "what sect did the Prophet Muhammed SAW and his companions belong to" You will find that there is not an answer to that as they were on the pure deen - knowledge from the Qur'an and Sunnah - and that is what we should be on too.
To delve into sects is like doing innovations (bidda) and every innovation kills a Sunnah and results in the hellfire.


05-05-2005, 08:35 PM
very intresting....since were on the topic of diversions and sects could somebody please explain to me what the '4 schools of thought are'?
should we follow them?
how do we know which one to follow?
whats the difference between them?

id be really grateful inshallah :sister:

yes and i was once preparing a speach on the life of malcolm x (mashallah) and i came across the Nation of Islam website, its really freaky i couldnt believe it...... :omg:


Ansar Al-'Adl
05-05-2005, 08:45 PM
The four schools of though, or madhahib, are all attempts to follow the Prophet Muhammad saws in the most accurate manner. They should not be asource of division, nor should we follow them blindly. They are just different interpretations in Jurisprudence (fiqh).

Please read this article:

Quoting from the article:
Many muslims treat the noble Imaams (Imaam Shafii, Imaam Malik, etc.) as though their words are protected from error. For some people, the words of an Imaam are taken as "gospel" and followed exclusively (as if it were revelation). Even if a verse from the Qur'ân or an authentic saying of the Messenger is brought as an argument against what their chosen Imaam said, their followers forsake what Allah or the Messenger, saaws, said and follow their Imaams. This dangerous position leads to blind taqleed (following) of humans at the expense of revelation.

One such example of this is that Imaam Malik did not raise his hands during the takbeer because they had been crippled to where he could not raise them as should be done in the salah. Muslims who choose to blindly follow Imaam Malik will not raise their hands during the takbeer, even though their is clear proof to do so. There are examples too numerous to list here, examples of senseless adherence to the ways or teachings of men, teachings that are contradictory to the proof.

Some muslims blindly follow modern leaders (such as W. Deen Mohammed, the Tableegh, or the highly deviating Imaam at the local masjid), even when the man calls the people to actions and beliefs that are clearly opposing Qur'ân and Sunnah. Once again, this is an act of elevating a person's words over the Speech of Allah (i.e. the Qur'ân), if at any time we reject the clear revelation and instead act upon or embrace the contrary teachings of a person.

Just like we are to obey our parents unless they call us to the haram (prohibited), we may follow the guidance of men unless they call us to error.

This condition of ignorance and blind following was given by Revelation from Allah to the Messenger, Muhammed, saaws, who said: Verily, Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people, but (this is done) by causing (the death) of the scholars until none of them is left alive. People would then appoint ignorant leaders for themselves who would be consulted in matters of religion and they would give Fatawas without knowledge, falling into misguidance and misguiding others. [Muslim].

Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah, rahimahullaah, said: "And the four Imaams, may Allaah be pleased with them, all forbade the people from blindly following them in all that they may say; and this was an obligation upon them [to do]."

Abu Haneefah (rahimahullaah) said: "When a hadeeth is found to be saheeh, then that is my madhhab." [Ibn 'Aabideen in al-Haashiyah (1/63) and in his essay Rasm al-Mufti (1/4 from the Compilation of the Essays of Ibn 'Aabideen), Shaikh Saalih al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 62) and others. Ibn \'Aabideen quoted from Sharh al-Hidaayah by Ibn al-Shahnah al-Kabeer, the teacher of Ibn al-Humaam]

"It is haram (prohibited) for someone who does not know my evidence to give fatwaa (verdicts) on the basis of my words." Another narration adds, "... for we are mortals: we say one thing one day, and take it back the next day." [Ibn \'Abdul Barr in Al-Intiqaa\' fi Fadaa\'il ath-Thalaathah al-A\'immah al-Fuqahaa\' (p. 145), Ibn al-Qayyim in I\'laam al-Mooqi\'een (2/309), Ibn \'Aabideen in his Footnoes on Al-Bahr ar-Raa\'iq (6/293) and in Rasm al-Mufti (pp. 29, 32) & Sha\'raani in Al-Meezaan (1/55) with the second narration. Similar narrations exist on the authority of Abu Haneefah\'s companions Zafar, Abu Yoosuf and \'Aafiyah ibn Yazeed; cf. Eeqaaz (p. 52). Ibn al-Qayyim firmly certified its authenticity on the authority of Abu Yoosuf in I\'laam al-Mooqi\'een (2/344).]

"When I say something contradicting the Book of Allah the Exalted or what is narrated from the Messenger (saaws), then ignore my saying." [Al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 50), tracing it to Imaam Muhammad and then saying, \"This does not apply to the mujtahid, for he is not bound to their views anyway, but it applies to the muqallid.\"]

Imaam Maalik ibn Anas (rahimahullaah) said: "Truly I am only a mortal: I make mistakes (sometimes) and I am correct (sometimes). Therefore, look into my opinions: all that agrees with the Book and the Sunnah, accept it; and all that does not agree with the Book and the Sunnah, ignore it." [Ibn \'Abdul Barr in Jaami\' Bayaan al-\'Ilm (2/32), Ibn Hazm, quoting from the former in Usool al-Ahkaam (6/149), and similarly Al-Fulaani (p. 72)]

Imaam Shaafi'i (rahimahullaah) said: "The sunnahs of the Messenger of Allah (saaws) reach, as well as escape from, every one of us. So whenever I voice my opinion, or formulate a principle, where something contrary to my view exists on the authority of the Messenger of Allah (saaws), then the correct view is what the Messenger of Allah (saaws) has said, and it is my view." [Related by Haakim with a continuous sanad up to Shaafi\'i, as in Taareekh Dimashq of Ibn \'Asaakir (15/1/3), I\'laam al-Mooqi\'een (2/363, 364) & Eeqaaz (p. 100).]

The Solution: The messenger of Allah (saaws) said: O mankind, I am leaving two things with you, if you cling to them you will never go astray. The Book of Allah and my way of life. [Al-Haakim and Al-Baihaqi].

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