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Hi steve, Welcome back, it has been a while since you have posted. I dare say i have even missed you.
Thanks, always nice to be welcomed back. And to be honest I've missed this forum to.
I took a quick look. Looks interesting. I'll post something there to inshallah :)
Your point could be valid on the assumption that only one big bang occured, which is neither accepted or unaccepted by science, as I am sure you would agree. The jury is still out, all the data is not yet in.
Well it's very challanging if not nearly impossible to get data from before big bang. Still, I think the assumption isn't require for my point to be valid. It could very well be raised if there were other big bangs in the past. Again the problem just shifts. There's three difrent aproaches to this:
1. There was infinite time between the last big bang, en the one prior to it. In this case one could say the second:
Big bang never occurs because infinite time has to pass after the first one.
2. There is a finite time between difrent big bangs, and there were infinite big bangs in the past. In this case one could say:
The latest Big bang could never have occured since an infinite number of finite time periods (the period between big bangs) had to occure first (infinity times a finite number is still infinity)
3. There is a finite time between big bangs, and a finite number of big bangs in the past but an infinite time preceded the very first big bang. In wich case the same question can be raised but for the first big bang rather then the last one.
Any other combinition would require a beginning. and then we aren't talking about the problem with infinity any more.
Are you not assuming because we don't yet know implies we must have a creator or another way of looking at it is that a "creator" answers the question that science cannot and the paradox being that science does not actually answer questions of absolute proof. Only religion claims that.
Oh no. I wouldn't dream implying that. My only intention was to clear up some misconceptions some atheist have regarding big bang.
I agree with you about mankind and it's ability not to understand the concept of time on a large scale.
Yes , personally I think infinite time in the past is impossible, and infinite can only exist if it's independant of time. Like in the case of an infinite creator, who is independant of time. That way infinite is easyer to concieve. However, my honesty obligates me to point out that of course this view could also works for an infinite energysource independant of time.
Once again, nice to hear from you again freind.
:)
I was wonderinging, would you feel like digesting the book I've been writing all this time in my absense? I'd very much apreciate your insight on it. I tried posting it as attachment before, but it's to big. So if you're interested, drop me a line at:
steve.dhondt@gmail.com