How Reliable Is Saheeh Bukhari?

[Allahs_slave]

Asslamo alaykom
can anyone tell me how bukhari and muslim used to work when they collected the hadiths? why do we consider both sahihs accurate and reliable? i heard they are the second most accurate sources after the holy qoran... but allah protected qoran from any change ... but did not say he'd protect hadiths of the prophet ... wouldn't it be wiser for us to compare this huge number of hadiths with qoran before we follow what they say? don't you think most of these hadiths described what muslims were asked to do AT THE PROPHETS TIME and not now, ....

one more thing... in what time did bukhari and muslim live ?

thanx in advance :)

salam
ahmad

[afriend]

Saheeh Bukhari is the most authentic book, it is at the top of the sihah sittah (the 6 authentics).

Sahihul Bukhari
Muslim
Abu Dawud
Tirmidhi
Nisaai
Ibn Majah

Well, obviously we can't just accept every hadeeth we are given.

The ummah has accepted and considered sihah sittah as the 6 most authentic books becuase their compliers had laid down certain clear principles and they contain mostly sound and authentic ahadeeth. Their authenticity has been carefully checked and verified by the ulamaa and muhadditheen(scholars of hadeeth) as authentic.

These are taken into account when testing a hadeeth to be strong:

Rawee-Narrator of Hadeeth

Sanad-Chain of narrators

To be concluded...It seems to be time for bed.

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[Abdullah4ever]

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Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari (810-870) Imam Muslim (full name Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Nisapuri) was born in 202 A.H.

[Z]

Salaam.

Also do some research about the dream people had at the time of the death of this great Scholar Bukhari.

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[lolwatever]

umm if you open up to the preface of bukhari and Muslim their biography including how they collected the hadith is explained... they are classified to be the most authentic coz of how vigorous they where with regards to validating and authenticating whatever they where told.

Other scholars of hadith collected hadith but wrote down and recorded the weak ones as well (fromt he point of view that it's better to not hide knowledge, and so it was important to write everythign down btu make note of weak or false narrations etc.), some of the other scholars where also more lax in their method of authenticating hadith

which left teh two Sahih's as the two sources that stood out from all the others..

no not really, they're there for all times, especially if you look at the hadiths that pertain to the end of time, and the hadiths where the prophet is giving advises to those that come after him, they are directed at Todays Muslims more than those of previous times...

there are also many rulings that can not be derived fromt he quran, for example, the way Muslims ought to pray is not described in the Quran, but it's descriebd in great detail in the hadith, similarly the punishment for some crimes is detailed in the Hadith but not in the Quran and many other things..

[azim]

wouldn't it be wiser for us to compare this huge number of hadiths with qoran before we follow what they say?

What do you mean? I don't exactly follow you on this one.

don't you think most of these hadiths described what muslims were asked to do AT THE PROPHETS TIME and not now, ....

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the companions followed the teachings of Quran - so it gives us more insight into the practical application of the Quran.

[chacha_jalebi]

salaam

not every single hadiths is 100% accurate, but dese 6 books r known 2 b accurate, bcos dey wer collected frm sahaba or d sahaba taught it 2 taibeen, so dese 6 books are known as d most effective, u no der cud hav been bare ova hadiths but many sahaba (ra) werent sure bout certain stuf & dey didnt wana say it, c mashallah dey wer heavy, if it was imams dese days dey wud jus make up tins :p

leme post a story bout imam bukhari, which shows his greatness

Once when Hazrat Imam Bukhari , was going to collect a hadiths, he had to travel by sea, so he used a boat . .

when he got on the boat he paid the boat man, his travel costs, and he put his change 1000 ashrafis (d currency) back in his pocket, while he was putting the money back, a man saw him putting 1000 back, and Hazrat Imam Bukhari (ra) noticed this..

Later on in the boat, the man that saw him putting the 1000 back, started shouting and saying "i had 1000 ashrafis in my pocket, and now they have gone, someone has stolen them from me, search everyone so i can find my money", when Hazrat Imam Bukhari , heard this, he clocked on what the man was doing, so he threw his 1000, in the water, and when he was searched they obviosly found nothing on him!

When the boat stopped, the man asked Hazrat Imam Bukhari (ra), "i saw u had 1000 ashrafis, were did it go?" Imam Bukhari (ra) replied " i threw it in the water", the man was shocked and said "why", then Imam Bukhari (ra) said "I had clocked on what you was doing, you saw me put the money in my pocket, and you would have made me to be the theif, so i threw the money in the water, because are you not aware that i have devoted my life to the hadith of RasoolAllah (saw), and my authenticity is well known and if i was a theif all my hadiths would be counted as false, and i was not prepared to loose what i had earned my whole life just for money"

mashallah see the greatness!!!:)

frm ibn kathir

[Najiullah]

salaam

not every single hadiths is 100% accurate, but dese 6 books r known 2 b accurate, bcos dey wer collected frm sahaba or d sahaba taught it 2 taibeen, .................................................. ...............
mashallah see the greatness!!!:)

frm ibn kathir

JazkAllah Chacha_jalebi :thumbs_up :rock:

[Umar001]

You sure about that, I have heard similar but that Imam Bukhari told the man as a friend on the boat.

Well anyhow from the book I was reading there is alot, aparently Bukhari went blind as a kid aswell then his site was restored, he also was tested with 100 hadeeths and so on that test was cool read about it and alot of other stuff, that once he was praying and when he finished he lifted his shirt and asked his companions or friends if there was anything on his back and he had some 16 or so bee stings or wasp, and he jus said that he liked the recition so much he didnt wana cut it short.
BUT HIs MEMORISATION POWER WAS GREAT

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

can anyone tell me how bukhari and muslim used to work when they collected the hadiths?

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/

why do we consider both sahihs accurate and reliable?

Because they have been verified, authenticated, and unanimously confirmed by Muslim Hadith scholars for over a millenium.

i heard they are the second most accurate sources after the holy qoran... but allah protected qoran from any change ... but did not say he'd protect hadiths of the prophet

He has protected the message of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh as well, and the Muslim scholars have accurately preserved the narrations from the Prophet.

... wouldn't it be wiser for us to compare this huge number of hadiths with qoran before we follow what they say?

Already done. One of the conditions for a hadith to be authentic is that it must be in agreement with the Qur'an. So when the scholars declare a hadith to be authentic it means that it has satisifed all of these conditions. If you have a misunderstanding about a specific hadith and think it may conflict with the Qur'an, please bring it forward and we can discuss it inshaa'Allah.

don't you think most of these hadiths described what muslims were asked to do AT THE PROPHETS TIME and not now, ....

No. The Message of Islam is not bound by time or place.

one more thing... in what time did bukhari and muslim live ?

Aprox. 200 years after Hijrah.

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[Abdullah4ever]

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[boriqee]

Asslamo alaykom
can anyone tell me how bukhari and muslim used to work when they collected the hadiths? why do we consider both sahihs accurate and reliable? i heard they are the second most accurate sources after the holy qoran... but allah protected qoran from any change ... but did not say he'd protect hadiths of the prophet ... wouldn't it be wiser for us to compare this huge number of hadiths with qoran before we follow what they say? don't you think most of these hadiths described what muslims were asked to do AT THE PROPHETS TIME and not now, ....

one more thing... in what time did bukhari and muslim live ?

thanx in advance :)

salam
ahmad

my first advise, do not evn contemplate in trying to understand the religion that was sent to Muhamamd from a shi'ee or any of the shia.

Secondly

the verse about Allah saying 'And surely We will protect it" has the meaning of the entire revelation, meaning The quraan and the sunnah of the prophet (which is collected in the ahadeeth). That is why there are narrations were the prophet said, I have been given the quraan and something similar to it" (meaning the divine inspriation that is part of the revelation of Allah that He gave to His prophet in the form of his sunnah.

That is why the prophet said with words like "Allah sent me the quraan and I have been sent to explain it" and its explaination is the sunnah which is collected throguh the works of hadeeth.

So even though Allah protected the quraan explicitly at face value, He also protected the preservation of His sunnah trough the aids of the inheritors of the prophets (who are the aimah of this ummah the ulema ar-Rabani'oon) Bukharee being one of them.To my knowledge o the 7200 hadeths in Bukahree I only heard of a few ulema who have said that the weak ahadeeth are low in number, and one muhadith said there were only 2 hadeeths that were weak in the entire collection of his.

and yes, the scholars who did bring forth their hadeeth have thoroughly studied the narrations to see if it was fit with the quraan before they gave their ruling of its authenticitiy. Maybe you should auaint yourself with teh cience involved in hadeeth because of of the principles laid out is that if a particular narration defies any text of the quraan, then such a hadeeth is dispariaged.

So I would like to expound a littel in this aspect and say that if we muslims csee a hadeeth that our minds beleive to be a contradiction in the quraan that comes form the sihah or has been known to be saheeh, then our job is to make the intellects subserviant to the texts, and not the opposite. We must hold that our understading is deficient of the texts for we see contradiction in something when there really isnt. And sicne the thousands of muich more knowledgeable people have not viewed a partuicular narration to be in contradiction in the quraan, then it is highly unlikely that the reality of contradiction somehow missed their minds (who are much greater than us in knowledge) and somehow we have been exposed to such descrepency.

asalamu alaikum

[scentsofjannah]

hope these articles help Question about the authenticity of Bukhari answered here>> http://islamonline.net/servlet/Satel...=1123996015520


Main page for Hadeeth Sciences, topics include-The Significance of Hadith , The Importance of Hadith in Islam , Classifications of Hadith etc >> http://www.islamonline.net/English/H...es/index.shtml

Three part Article About Fabricated Hadeeths by Mohsen Haredy, the editor of Shari`ah Special Pages at IslamOnline.net. He graduated from Al-Azhar University and has an MA in Hadith literature from Leiden University, the Netherlands.>> http://islamonline.net/English/Hadit...05/06/01.shtml

Woman Scholars of Hadeeth >> http://islamonline.net/English/Hadit...05/03/03.shtml

Brief History of hadeeth Methodology by Shaykh Suhaib Hassan ,a member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research
http://islamonline.net/English/Hadit...05/03/01.shtml

An Introduction to the Sunnah ie the example of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him >> http://islamonline.net/English/Hadit...05/03/01.shtml ...hope that helps inshaAllah:) peace

[IceQueen~]

:sl: i read in a book about the sciences of hadith that the quran says that Allah has promised to preserve it, and since the hadith explain the quran so that means that they are included.

collecting hadith was no minor matter. one scholar travelled so far just to here a particular hadith from someone. but when they came and saw them they saw that the person was deceiving their horse. because of this the scholar quietly left without asking the person anything. if the person showed signs of deception with his horse then how could he be trusted with hadith...?:w:

[Ayesha Rana]

I heard that Imam Bukhari had a dream in which he was fanning flies away from the prophet. When he got the meaning he was told that he was getting rid of the lies about the prophet(saw)
Salaam

[Allahs_slave]

Assalamo alaykom brothers n sistas
Thanx for everybody who replied :thankyou: ur all very nice :) ..... i have read some of the links, and now i have no problem with the authenticity of the hadiths he wrote ... tho im still not convinced about whether we shud follow all these hadiths or not .... u see ... hadiths are 3 types ( or so ive read, words said by the prophet, things he used to do, and things he saw muslimeen do and did not stop them, how can the last two be explaination to qoran? this is exactly what i meant, alot of hadiths do not explain things said in qoran, i know all of sunna does not CONTRADICT with qoran but it surely does add obligations and rules not even mentioned in qoran...grownin a beard is a good example, allah says nothing about growing beards, but the prophet told muslemeen to grow beards to be different from mushrikeen, well alot of mushrikeen have beards now ... maybe back then where they lived mushrikeen did not have beards so the prophets ordered muslims to grow their beards in order to look different :S ... also the prophets clothes, alot of ppl try to copy the way the prophet dressed, but it wsa a cultural thing, we can't just consider everything the prophet used to do is sunna and imitate it, the prephet pbuh married aisha when she was very young .. does this mean we shoud marry a 9 year old because its sunna !? please explain to me im very confused :heated:

salamo alaykom :)
ahmad

[chacha_jalebi]

Bro wen u talk can u show d utmost respect, cos der is a hadiths in which RasoolAllah (saw) says, "the angels curse those, who dont say Sal Allah Hu Aley Hi Wassallam, wen my name is mentioned"

And D Prophet (saw) had more then 4 wifes, when in the quran it says keep 4, we cant go round saying cos D Prophet (saw) did it, we can do it, he got married 2 increase ties with people & help widows, he had a gud reason 4 all he did & he had certain circumstances, we dont hav dem reasons or circumstances :)

also regardin d hadiths, lemme giv u sum heavyy advice if ur heart dnt agree wit it, den dont agree wit it :)

[Allahs_slave]

Salaam.

Also do some research about the dream people had at the time of the death of this great Scholar Bukhari.

dreams ? like what?

[Umar001]

In a statement put on islamonline.net it stated with regards to a famous hadeeth about Musical instruments. "Although this hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari, its chain of transmission is not connected to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and this invalidates its authenticity. Ibn Hazm rejects it for that very reason. Moreover, the sub-narrator, Hisham Ibn `Ammar is declared ‘weak’ by many scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology."

Source

So I don't get it, is a weak hadeeth still applied to the Prophet?

[Lateralus63]

:sl:

As we are now, they are quite reliable, however the Quran will always be our main source of guidance, and hadith's are always subject to fabrication or loss of chain, they have been protected over the years by scholar's alhamdulliah but as prophet (s) said himself, the scholar's will die overtime and there will be none left. Its only a matter of time. But alhamdulliah, for now, they are reliable.

[chacha_jalebi]

if d hadiths says its not applied 2 RasoolAllah (saw) den it aint innit, but wen it says it has a weak connection, it means it hasnt got strong backin, lik 1 person mite hav sed it in a diff way, n 1 person in a completely diff way, so den its called weak!

[Allahs_slave]

Bro wen u talk can u show d utmost respect, cos der is a hadiths in which RasoolAllah (saw) says, "the angels curse those, who dont say Sal Allah Hu Aley Hi Wassallam, wen my name is mentioned"

And D Prophet (saw) had more then 4 wifes, when in the quran it says keep 4, we cant go round saying cos D Prophet (saw) did it, we can do it, he got married 2 increase ties with people & help widows, he had a gud reason 4 all he did & he had certain circumstances, we dont hav dem reasons or circumstances :)

also regardin d hadiths, lemme giv u sum heavyy advice if ur heart dnt agree wit it, den dont agree wit it :)

salamo alaykom brother :)
am sorry i didn't realize i wasn't writing pbuh, its 2am here lol but alhamdulella i always say sallallaho alayhi wasallam WHENEVER his name alayhi assalato wassalam is mentioned :) thanx for the reminder tho... and about the prophets (saw) wives, thats exactly what im saying ... the prophet pbuh had certain circumstances ... so he did things that he only was allowed to do .. or muslims at that time were ordered to do because of certain reasons... and hadiths just include everything and most of these just say ... mohammad sallalaho alayhi wasallam said ............... but do not explain when and why .. u got ma point ? thanx salamz .. ahmad

[chacha_jalebi]

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ya i understand ur point, mashallah bro ahmad,

also hadiths show us d Prophets (saw) way of life, and explain how we sud live islamically, dats y d Prophet (saw) sed "if u follow d Quran & my sunnah, den u will b successful in d hereafter" :)

[chacha_jalebi]

true say, maybe when i have them on i can search for english lessons for you to take.

jazakhallah how sweet of u bro & stop beefin lol :p

now now bk 2 d post lol, bro ahmad can i jus ask what made u doubt d hadiths? a particular hadiths?? :)

[Allahs_slave]

jazakhallah how sweet of u bro & stop beefin lol :p

now now bk 2 d post lol, bro ahmad can i jus ask what made u doubt d hadiths? a particular hadiths?? :)

salam ..
well ... the beard thingy .. whenever i ask why is it obligatory they say to be different than the kafirs.. and because the prophet pbuh said in one of his hadiths (heffo ashareba wa atleko alleha) .. but the hadith is like very vague and u can't tell why he (saw) said it or in what occasion. also the story when a sahabi (can't recall his name) asked the prophet give me a reason so i can kill this kafir ... and the prophet allowed him to kill him :S:S don't remember the story well .. but it made me doubt the authenticity of the hadith .. because if you want to write a hadith like this about our beloved prophet (saw) you should be careful and say why he did this ... IFF he really did it (allowed the sahabi to kill the kafir guy) ...

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

:sl:

Its funny how everyone here is suddenly a scholor of hadith while he hasnt even memorized the Quran in its entirety. Please fear Allah, the Scholor of Hadith studies for years and years and memorizes and memorizes and only then can he be considered a scholor. And the Hadith sciences has many branches as well.

This thread will be closed until brother Ansar deals with it Inshallah.

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