HeiGou
05-21-2006, 06:12 PM
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united
Islam is a religion famous for its allowal of polygyny. Some people have gone so far as to identify polygyny as a specifically Muslim practice. This is wrong. In fact, polygyny is mentioned in the Bible! It was practiced by Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, and Solomon, among others. It is specifically legislated for (Deuteronomy 21:18-17). Jesus mentions a wedding of a man with ten women without any condemnation (Gospel of Matthew 25:1-13 - read it!)
No He does not. It is a parable. And "bridegroom" here clearly does not refer to a human bridegroom but to God.
Matt.25
[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
while Paul places restrictions on polygyny only for priests and bishops (see for example 1 Timothy 3:12).
Where is there any suggestion here that it is for one bishops and deacons only?
1Tim.3
[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
[4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
[8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
[9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
[10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
[11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
[12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
[13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[14] These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
[15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
ReplyIconoclast
05-21-2006, 06:43 PM
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i say why not choose ISLAM THE ONLY RELEGION THAT EXIST BEYOND EXSISTANCE
&when the sings are clear for who that will to see a reason
"Did you think that We had created you in play, and that you would not be returned unto Us?" (Qur'an, 23:115)
The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of "Christianity" which was named after Jesus Christ, "Buddhism" after Gautama Buddha, "Marxism" after Karl Marx, and "Confucianism" after Confucius. Similarly, Islam is not named after a tribe like "Judaism" after the tribe of Judah and "Hinduism" after the Hindus.
Islam is a universal message to atheists, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, and all of the rest of mankind: "We (Allah) have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal [Messenger] to all mankind, giving them glad tidings, and warning them, but most of mankind understand not." (Qur'an, 24:38). Its objective is to create and cultivate in man the quality and attitude of Islam. Islam, in fact, is an attributive title. Anyone who possesses this attribute, whatever race, community, country or group he belongs to, is a Muslim. According to the Qur'an (the Holy Book of the Muslims), among every people and in all ages there have been good and righteous people who possessed this attribute - and all of them were and are Muslims. However many people in the West have developed the sad misinformed trend of calling Islam "Mohammedanism" and its followers "Mohammmedans." This is a totally foreign word to Muslims and unrecognized by them. No Muslim has ever called his religion "Mohammedanism" or called himself a "Mohammedan".
Islam and Its Concept
The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the will of the only true god worthy of worship, "Allah" (known as God "the Father" in Christianity). Anyone who does indeed submit to the will of Allah as required by Islam is termed a "Muslim," which means one who has submitted to the will of Allah. "Then praise be to Allah, Lord of the heavens and Lord of the earth - Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds! To Him be Glory throughout the heavens and the earth: and He is Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom!" (Qur'an, 45:36-37). The God of Islam is the God of everything He created. There is no middle man between the Creation and the Creator; "We [Allah] are closer to the person than the jugular vein." (Qur'an, 50:16) and "Wherever you turn, there is the face of God". (Qur'an, 2:109). Another literal meaning of the word Islam is "peace" and this signifies that one can achieve real peace of body and mind only through submission and obedience to God. Such a life of obedience brings with it peace of the heart and establishes real peace in society at large.
Allah Almighty created all mankind with different races, mentality and beliefs; "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted." (Qur'an, 49:13). Islam also teaches us that this life is a life of worship. We are placed on this earth in order to worship Allah and obey His command. During this earthly life we are subjected to a series of trials. We have the option of enduring these trials and conforming to certain laws, and our reward will be great in the next life, or we may decline to endure these trials and choose to not conform to the law, then we will be made to regret it in the next life. Each person will be solely and completely responsible for their own final reward. We are also told that God has designed these laws to make this life a better, safer, and more tolerable one for us. If we elect to conform to them then we will see the result in this life even before moving on to the next.
We are told that the earthly life is a life of faith and work, and the next life is one of reward and no work. We have been placed on this earth to worship God, fast, pray, be industrious, good, kind, respectful, and a source of uprightness and morality. We are told that God has no need of our worship. Our worship can not increase the kingdom of God nor add to His power, however, it is in our best interests both in this life and the next that we do.
Unlike some other religions which claim that God entered in a covenant with a certain group of people and that this group is genetically better than all other human beings, or closer to God, Islam on the other hand teaches that no colour, race, tribe, or lineage is better than any other. Islam teaches that all humans are equal in the sight of Allah and that the only thing that can distinguish them in His sight is their piety and worship. "...Allah has endeared the faith to you, Has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He Has made hateful to you unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion: such indeed are those who walk in righteousness- A grace and favour from Allah; and Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom." (Qur'an, 49:7-8) The Muslim's faith will then only increase and strengthen: "For, believers are those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a tremor in their hearts, and when they hear His Signs rehearsed, find their faith strengthened, and put (all) their trust in their Lord." (Qur'an, 8:2) and also "Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide and glad tidings to Muslims." (Qur'an, 16:102) and also "It is He [Allah] Who sent down tranquility into the hearts of the believers, that they may add faith to their faith- For to Allah belong the forces of the heavens and the earth; and Allah is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom." (Qur'an, 48:4)
Every little atom of good and evil an individual makes in life will be recorded for him, and he shall see it in the Day of Judgment. In Qur'an, 10:61, we read that: "In whatever business thou mayest be, and whatever portion thou mayest be reciting from the Qur'an, and whatever deed ye (mankind) may be doing, We are witnesses thereof when ye are deeply engrossed therein. Nor is hidden from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record." Then Allah Almighty will make give His ultimate decision for that person on whether he shall go to hell or to heaven. In Qur'an, 34:3, we read "The unbelievers say, 'Never to us will come the Hour': Say, 'Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you; by Him Who knows the unseen, from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the record perspicuous.'" Allah Almighty's response in this verse was that every atom of thing they do can not be hidden and is recorded in the record perspicuous.
Let us look at Qur'an, 34:22 : "Say: 'Call upon other (gods) whom ye fancy, besides God: They have no power,- not the weight of an atom,- in the heavens or on earth: No (sort of) share have they therein, nor is any of them a helper to God.'" In this Noble Verse Allah Almighty claims that no god but He will do the Judgment in the Day of Judgment. All of the idols and images that people worshiped and still do will not take part of any Judgment. They will be worthless.
Let us look at Qur'an, 99:7-8 : "Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it." Everything we do in life will be recorded for us. For every atom of good we do in life we shall see it, and for every atom of evil we do in life we shall see it also.
why choose islam as a religion?
WHY DID THEY CHOOSE ISLAM AS THEIR RELIGION?
By discarding the fog of psychological perversion and propaganda, subversive disinformation, man can unbiassedly examine social theories like capitalism, communism, existentialism, Judaism, Christianity, paganism, Buddhism, Brahmanism, atheism and similar thoughts and concepts. To get a better insight into Islam he can delve into studying from its first sources; the Qur'an and the prophet's traditions, in addition there are works by Muslim intellectuals, philosophers and thinkers. Accomplishing this, he is in a position to realize the greatness of Islam as the necessary faith that man should adhere to.
Throughout history there are innumerable instances of great and imminent men and women who attained this truth, understood the greatness of Islam and discovered that it is their responsibility in life and the sole path leading to happiness, and so they embraced it. Since they are respected personalities in our age, let's look at what they say about their conversion:
The renowned French professor and thinker Roger Garoudi who was a leftist tells us in a few lines of the greatness of Islam and the secret behind the transformation in his life: "Only in following Islam can the world find a way out of its crisis. Islam holds the key to reform. It has two important attributes: sublimation and the spirit of the group."
"The Qur'an teaches us to find in any occurrence, and in everything a sign of Allah and a symbol of a higher existence moving us, nature and society. The main goal of religion is the achievement of harmony and unity which issues from Allah and returns to Him. His will to achieve the Will of Allah is what grants man his humanity.
"The West is now much in need of Islam more than at any other time. Islam can give life a meaning and history a sense. It can alter the West's method of separating science from wisdom, thinking from the means, and thinking from the results. Islam never erects a wall between science and faith. On the contrary, it ties them together as being an inseparable whole...
"Islam calls man to search and seek the final end and his fate. In our western societies, split apart by individuality, Islam can revive the hope in our world which is heading toward suicide."
Professor Haroon Mustapha Lion, the general secretary of the World Association of the Science of the Origin of Languages, Sciences and Fine Arts, and the editor-in-chief of the London-based scientific magazine "Philomat", says: "One of the traits of Islam is that it is based on mental aptitude. It does not call its followers to kill their intellectual abilities. Its position regarding thought runs counter to other doctrines which coerce their followers to blindly believing in ideologies and certain opinions."
Marshila Michelangelo, an Italian lady who embraced Islam says: "I have found intellect and logic in Islam. I cam to find the Muslims believing in Allah and His Apostle who is a human being like them, but among them. He was the one chosen to convey the message of faith to mankind, and recite to them Allah's Book which is their life's constitution, and which manages their affairs so that they can live plainly and happily, cooperating with one another, without false appearances."
Haj Dr. Abdul-Karim Satio, a Japanese professor of economics who teaches in one of the Japanese universities declared: "In Islam the proofs of the existence of Allah are plain and clear and are taken from the depths of life. This indicates the truth. Allah is the truth. This truth, the target of the whole of mankind, is with the Muslims. If it is made available, all mankind will enter the religion of Allah in groups."
Dr. Grenier, a French national who worked for the French Council of Representatives, said: "I have studied all the Qur'anic verses in relations to medical, health and natural sciences which I knew from childhood very well. I have found that these verses are perfection in harmony with our modern knowledge. Because I became sure that Muhammad had conveyed the clear truth more than 1,000 years ago, before being taught by any human being, I contentedly embraced Islam. Should any artist or any scientist study closely the Qur'anic verses in comparison to what he himself has learned, as I had done, he would embrace Islam if he is sane and unbiased."
Alfonse Etienne Denier (1861-1929), the artist who embraced Islam and chose the Islamic name of Nasiruddin, said: "The religion of Allah is one. Islam came to corroborate the previous divine messages and correct the distortions which had befallen them at the hands of the priests. The Holy Qur'an is now the only divine book which has not been distorted and will never be distorted or tampered with. Allah has promised to keep it intact as He is its guardian."
Leopold Weiss (Muhammad Asad) the well-known Austrian writer-journalist says: "Today I cannot say what aspects of Islam appealed to me more than others. Islam is, as appears to me, a perfect construction. All its parts are made to complete each other and to connect with each other. There is nothing untoward in it. There is no fault in any part of it. The result is inevitably a balanced, compact whole. It is perhaps this feeling that all the teachings and religious duties are perfectly positioned which is the strongest attraction as I perceive it."
Lord Douglas Hamilton, an English millionaire, who embraced Islam and changed his name to Adil Hamilton, said: "Islam is the one powerful religion which can stand in the way of the waves of atheism and laxity under which the present industrial communities are suffering. Islam attracts many university graduates, particularly those who are burdened and weary of ideological wrangling."
Marmaduke Pickthall (1836-1936), the renowned Englishman of letters, who embraced Islam and called himself Muhammad, and whose translation of the meanings of the Qur'an is highly esteemed, said: "Never is there a worldly grace every enjoyed by man greater than that of being happy and content after being guided to Islam by Allah: to see, by the light of Islam, the truths of the world and the Hereafter and to distinguish between right and wrong and the path of happiness from that of misery. I prostrate myself gratefully to Allah, for this great grace He endowed me with, which flooded my being with true happiness and made me stand in the shade of this great fruitful tree which is the tree of Islamic brotherhood and family."
Conclusion
Question :Why should anyone choose Islam as a religion and as a way of life?
a.. Islam is the rational choice for anyone who wishes to have a faith that does full justice to the demands of the three faculties of man: physical, intellectual and spiritual. Here is a concise listing of Islam's unique features:
1)Islam is the only religion whose sources are authentically preserved and thus remains immaculately free of all human tampering and interpolations.It was revelead to the Prohpet Mohammed SAW who was a ummi ( could not write or read ) the verses came in parts as all willed and in accordence to the rising questions of the people. the holy book of god was inscribed in ppls hearts and soul ....so that makes sence why it came in parts..
2)The Islamic scripture is free of mythical elements that are incongruous with modern man's understanding of the world.
3)The Qur'an-the Islamic scripture-is fully compatible with the established facts of science; it clearly contains the signature of the author of the universe-as attested to by many objective seekers of truth, coming as they were from diverse religious and intellectual backgrounds. It also movingly records natural phenomena and enjoins the followers of the faith to respect and preserve nature and the creatures with whom we share the planet.
4)The Qur'an upholds the role of reason and equates those who fail to use their reason as being intellectually imbeciles; this is a far a far cry from the teachings of many religions which assume incompatibility of reason and revelation.
5)Islamic beliefs and practices are simple, natural and appeal to both reason and common sense.
6)In regards to most of the teachings of Islam, their benefits can be easily demonstrated by evidence of the human experience and by the objective observation of facts. Take for instance Islam's ban of alcohol: statistics reveal that abstention from intoxicants alone could spare humanity from untold misery and suffering. The valuable resources squandered for intoxicants can alone solve all poverty related problems of the world. Add
to this, the Islamic pillar of Zakah [Charity]. If only the world's rich were to part with 2.5 % of their excess wealth, humanity would have tackled the problem of poverty very easily.
7)Islam takes into account all of the God-given instincts and faculties of man/woman and therefore gives us a balanced program of life that caters to all of the basic needs of humans - physical, intellectual and spiritual, unlike many religions and ideologies which exaggerate one at the expense of the other.
8)Islam provides for us a living example of such a balanced role model in Prophet Muhammad, whose life, unlike those of the great heroes and prophets of other religions, is an open book easily accessible for anyone.
9)The Islamic story of creation is free of any of the consequences of the stigma of original sin which has weighed heavily in the consciousness of a large segment of humanity, often proving to be highly volatile, and resulting in hysterical explosions in both the individual and collective dimensions.
10)The Qur'an is anti-classical in its approach to knowledge, and stresses experiential knowledge, a fact which combines authentic science with authentic spirituality.
11)The Qur'an provides answers to questions that haunt every intelligent person, questions related to life after death, an area which is almost totally mysterious in other traditions.
12)Islamic teachings about the essential identity of human beings and its stress on human brotherhood can break the barriers separating humans from one another. This can save humanity from the dire consequences of nationalism and racism which tend to break up humanity artificially by creating and sustaining perpetual conflicts.
13)Islam promises us nothing but total freedom, liberation and bliss and the highest fulfillment and contentment that humans are capable of attaining.
14)Islamic history has provided us with a model society where justice, compassion, truth and transparency of justice were implemented at the human and natural levels.
15)Islam dispenses with all intermediaries between man and God and allows all humans to freely contact God, thus eliminating hierarchies and other sources of religious exploitation that has characterized religious history throughout the age
Islam is a beautiful religion, ad-deen (The Path) toward final worship of Allah Almighty and total submission to Him, that frees the human being from wickedness, confusion and frustration, and sheds the Light of Allah Almighty into his heart and leads him to the true Path in a miraculous and natural process. Allah Almighty is the GOD of all mankind and is there for all the righteous.
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ReplyHeiGou
05-21-2006, 07:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Iconoclast
Unlike some other religions which claim that God entered in a covenant with a certain group of people and that this group is genetically better than all other human beings,
For the record, Judaism, and I assume this is the group being libelled, does not claim that.
or closer to God, Islam on the other hand teaches that no colour, race, tribe, or lineage is better than any other. Islam teaches that all humans are equal in the sight of Allah and that the only thing that can distinguish them in His sight is their piety and worship.
Like Christianity then. Fine.
1)Islam is the only religion whose sources are authentically preserved and thus remains immaculately free of all human tampering and interpolations.It was revelead to the Prohpet Mohammed SAW who was a ummi ( could not write or read ) the verses came in parts as all willed and in accordence to the rising questions of the people. the holy book of god was inscribed in ppls hearts and soul ....so that makes sence why it came in parts..
That is not true on several levels. There is no objective evidence that the Islamic sources are "authentically" preserved except in the Islamic historical and religious tradition. You can claim that but only if you mean something different to what I mean. You are assuming that "Ummi" means illiterate - do you have a pre-Quranic usage of the word to mean that? And of course several other religions have just as good claims - the Mormons for instance.
2)The Islamic scripture is free of mythical elements that are incongruous with modern man's understanding of the world.
Umm, jinns? Camels being born from rocks? Talking ants? Solomon controlling the wind? All these stories may be true in a religious, but they are certainly a challenge to any modern person's understanding.
3)The Qur'an-the Islamic scripture-is fully compatible with the established facts of science;
If you interpret it in that way - but traditionally Muslims have interpreted it in other ways which are not fully compativle with the established facts of science and many Muslims are still holding out against some well established facts of science like Evolution.
6)In regards to most of the teachings of Islam, their benefits can be easily demonstrated by evidence of the human experience and by the objective observation of facts. Take for instance Islam's ban of alcohol: statistics reveal that abstention from intoxicants alone could spare humanity from untold misery and suffering. The valuable resources squandered for intoxicants can alone solve all poverty related problems of the world.
That last claim is a nonsense and are you aware that red wine is good for you if taken in moderation?
Add to this, the Islamic pillar of Zakah [Charity]. If only the world's rich were to part with 2.5 % of their excess wealth, humanity would have tackled the problem of poverty very easily.
Evidence? Besides, the non-Muslims have nearly all the wealth on the planet. If they followed Muslim tradition and only spent it on their fellow non-Muslims that would still leave a lot of poor people.
Replyunited
05-21-2006, 07:44 PM
2 Samuel
13Meanwhile David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron; and more sons and daughters were born to David.
1 Kings 11
Talks about Solomon and his numerous wives.
2 Chronicles 11
Rehoboam's Family
18Then Rehoboam took as a wife Mahalath the daughter of Jerimoth the son of David and of Abihail the daughter of (K)Eliab the son of Jesse,
19and she bore him sons: Jeush, Shemariah and Zaham.
20After her he took (L)Maacah the daughter of Absalom, and she bore him Abijah, Attai, Ziza and Shelomith.
21Rehoboam loved Maacah the daughter of Absalom more than all his other wives and concubines. For (M)he had taken eighteen wives and sixty concubines and fathered twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters.
22(N)Rehoboam appointed Abijah the son of Maacah as head and leader among his brothers, for he intended to make him king.
23He acted wisely and distributed some of his sons through all the territories of Judah and Benjamin to all the fortified cities, and he gave them food in abundance. And he sought many wives for them.
Deuteronomy 21 talks about rules pertaining to a person with two wives
15"If a man has two wives, the one loved and (I)the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him sons, if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved, ...
And before you say that these examples are from the Old Testament:
Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"
ReplyHeiGou
05-21-2006, 07:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Iconoclast
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
For the record, Judaism, and I assume this is the group being libelled, does not claim that.
my friend get ur facts and priorities right.
u claim to be an atheist ...right? the one who believes that there is no God. (atheism) judisim is a religion that belives in god and you agree whith them so u "belive"
Well we should all get our facts and priorities right. Where have I claimed to be an atheist? Where, for that matter, have I claimed there is no God?
Is your response relevant in any way? Do you agree that Judaism does not care about genetics?
Like Christianity then. Fine.
jews had Torha And Christins were given the bible which were fabricated with....
That's a response? To what?
Authentically u talk about outta of holy books reveled by allah show be one person that knows his holy book by heart? we muslims have 6 yr olds reciting the verses by heart..........ALLAH has preserved it in OUR HEARTS.
and what is litercy to you reading and writing ONLY? no wonder litracy is Knowledge to me which more that to read and write.....it is.hmm how do i put it...... learning from experiance and use of the human brain... by the way as an athiest "who created a human brain"?
I wonder why Muslims think this is proof of the Quran's unaltered state? I mean I can see that it is proof of something, but to me it mostly looks like proof that people make their children learn the Quran.
Umm, jinns? Camels being born from rocks? Talking ants? Solomon controlling the wind? All these stories may be true in a religious sense, but they are certainly a challenge to any modern person's understanding.
they exist and yes an ant can speak ALLAH does what he wills
[Link only for registered members]
take a look
I do not deny that God can do whatever He wants, but these are certainly "mythological" elements in the Quran in the sense they are not scientific and they require a super-natural force to make them work.
If you interpret it in that way - but traditionally Muslims have interpreted it in other ways which are not fully compativle with the established facts of science and many Muslims are still holding out against some well established facts of science like Evolution.
Evolution? .............u mean ur forefathers were monkies before ...... come
on now be serious. U R AN ATHEIST.u don't belive in god so why do u belive the sicence. btw allah told thought us science all before the word existed. search the net for islam and sience and visit the link i sent u.
I have searched for links between Islam and science and I have to say that I am not impressed. But that does not matter. Science does not need belief. It needs an open mind and nothing more. Religion needs belief. But thank you for proving my point - science accepts Evolution, Islam, as practiced by many around here, does not.
That last claim is a nonsense and are you aware that red wine is good for you if taken in moderation?
"if taken in moderation"........show me one drinkers who keeps to his word and says i will just have one glass.....intoxication has its dangers ,.,,,,so it was forbidded............by the way so is milks,dates good for health.....and many bounties of ALLAH all mighty
I have been known to have a glass or two but no more. Most people I know drink in moderation. I will agree that excessive aocohol consumption is bad for you, but then the same could probably be said for Lamb Bhuna.
Evidence? Besides, the non-Muslims have nearly all the wealth on the planet. If they followed Muslim tradition and only spent it on their fellow non-Muslims that would still leave a lot of poor people.
Who said the muslims give thier zakat ( poor due ) in accordence to the Holy book
Not me that's for sure. I wonder if Muslim countries have the most unequal wealth distribution of any societies on Earth. What do you think?
ReplyIconoclast
05-21-2006, 07:56 PM
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my friend get ur facts and priorities right.
u claim to be an atheist ...right? the one who believes that there is no God. (atheism) judisim is a religion that belives in god and you agree whith them so u "belive"
jews had Torha And Christins were given the bible which were fabricated with....
Authentically u talk about outta of holy books reveled by allah show be one person that knows his holy book by heart? we muslims have 6 yr olds reciting the verses by heart..........ALLAH has preserved it in OUR HEARTS.
and what is litercy to you reading and writing ONLY? no wonder litracy is Knowledge to me which more that to read and write.....it is.hmm how do i put it...... learning from experiance and use of the human brain... by the way as an athiest "who created a human brain"?
they exist and yes an ant can speak ALLAH does what he wills
http://www.geocities.com/islamimirac...h_Almighty.htm
take a look
Evolution? .............u mean ur forefathers were monkies before ...... come
on now be serious. U R AN ATHEIST.u don't belive in god so why do u belive the sicence. btw allah told thought us science all before the word existed. search the net for islam and sience and visit the link i sent u.
"if taken in moderation"........show me one drinkers who keeps to his word and says i will just have one glass.....intoxication has its dangers ,.,,,,so it was forbidded............by the way so is milks,dates good for health.....and many bounties of ALLAH all mighty
Who said the muslims give thier zakat ( poor due ) in accordence to the Holy book
We are all humans made by ALLAH .....lets just keep that to it and say we all lack perfection....
i Quote from Surah AL Baqara
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As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
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Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
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And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.
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They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.
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In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.
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And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.
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Are not they indeed the mischief-makers ? But they perceive not.
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And when it is said unto them: believe as the people believe, they say: shall we believe as the foolish believe ? are not they indeed the foolish ? But they know not.
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And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.
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Allah (Himself) doth mock them, leaving them to wander blindly on in their contumacy.
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These are they who purchase error at the price of guidance, so their commerce doth not prosper, neither are they guided.
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Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindleth fire, and when it sheddeth its light around him Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see,
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Deaf, dumb and blind; and they return not.
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Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder and the flash of lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears by reason of the thunder-claps, for fear of death, Allah encompasseth the disbelievers (in His guidance, His omniscience and His omnipotence).
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The lightning almost snatcheth away their sight from them. As often as it flasheth forth for them they walk therein, and when it darkeneth against them they stand still. If Allah willed, He could destroy their hearing and their sight. Lo! Allah is able to do all things.
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O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil).
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Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better).
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Woodrow
05-24-2006, 07:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
HeiGou
Really? Where are these conutries where polygamy is illegal? Indonesia? No. Pakistan? No. Bangladesh? No. India? No. That's over 15 percent of all Muslims right there. I am happy to source that number for you.
As a general rule only a handful of Muslim countries have banned polygamy and usually only the hard-core Westernised ones - Turkey for instance.
My answer to that would be immediatly refuted as you would state they are not Christian. I was thinking of many of the non-trinitarian denominations that refer to themselves as Christian. This is one area us Muslims have with identifying exactly who are Christians. Apparently, because somebody believes themselves to be Christian, worship Christ and reads the Bible is not a suitable definition. There are nearly 15,000 denominations that call themselves Christian. If you consider the sud-denominations within them the number rises to about 40,000. Each claiming to be the True Christian and the others being false. Would you please identify the denominations that are true Christian so that we may avoid future confusion?
Well let's ignore the Mormons for the moment and say anyone else who accepts the special role of Jesus Christ and no others later on, believes in only one God is provisionally accepted as a Christian. Which sects practice polygamy?[/QUOTE]
Most of the non-trinitarian Christians. But, to be fair although the majority accept poligamy, most will not practice it in countries where it is outlawed
Nontrinitarian Christianity
American Unitarian Conference
Branhamism
Christadelphians
Christian Science
Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith
Doukhobors ("Spirit-Wrestlers")
Home Ecclesia Association
Iglesia ni Cristo
Jehovah's Witnesses
Makuya
Molokans
Unification Church
Unitarian Christian Association
The Way The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus
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Unitarianism and Universalism
Berlin Unitarian Church (Germany)
Church of Iceland
Doojin Christian Church (Japan)
Free Unitarian Fellowship, Frankfurt-am-Main (Germany)
International Council of Unitarians and Universalists
Australia and New Zealand Unitarian Association (ANZUA)
Canadian Unitarian Council
Deutsche Unitarier Religionsgemeinschaft, Germany
European Unitarian Universalists
First Unitarian Church of Nigeria
General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches, United Kingdom & Ireland
Ijo Isokan Gbogbo Eda (Unitarian Brotherhood Church), Nigeria
Indonesia Global Church of God (provisional member)
Khasi Unitarian Union, India
Kosciol Unitarianski (Unitarian Church in Poland)
Nabozenska spolecnost ceskych unitaru (Religious Society of Czech Unitarians)
The Unitarian Christian Church of Madras, India
The Unitarian Church in Hungary
The Unitarian Church of Romania (Transylvania)
Unitarian Church of South Africa
Unitarian Universalist Association
Magi Network (independent affiliate)
Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship (independent affiliate)
Unitarian Universalist Association of Sri Lanka
Unitarian Universalist Church of the Philippines
Unitarian Universalists of Russia
Unitarian Universalist Society of Finland
Unitarian Universalist Society of Spain
Unitarians and Universalists, Pakistan
Unitarisk Kirkesamfund, Denmark
L'Assemblée Fraternelle des Chrétiens Unitariens de France
L'Association Unitarienne Francophone et Eglise Unitarienne de France
Socinianism (extinct as a modern and distinct group)
Polish Brethren
Unitarkirken (The Unitarian Christian Church in Norway)
Here is the link that came from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._denominations ReplyPowered by vBulletin® Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.