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Why does the west claim that the "state of israel" has a right to exist?

Is it beacuse they wanted the jews out of thier lands?:? so they decided to stick someone else with their problems?
 
sameer said:
Why does the west claim that the "state of israel" has a right to exist?

Is it beacuse they wanted the jews out of thier lands?:? so they decided to stick someone else with their problems?
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Outside of Israel the US has the largest Jewish population in the world. So what was that about not wanting them on our land?
 
sameer said:
Why does the west claim that the "state of israel" has a right to exist?

Is it beacuse they wanted the jews out of thier lands?:? so they decided to stick someone else with their problems?
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Because Israel already existed right where it is.
so they decided to stick someone else with their problems?
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I would not consider the jews a problem for people elsewhere in the world. I can see why the arab countries in the region see them as a problem though. After each humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli army, in every war there has been. Yes, that would be a problem for me too.
 
j4763 said:
Was it not the jews land long before the muslims came along?
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No it, was the land of the people who where living their, and it includes Jews, christian, muslim. Many throughout the history converted to Islam, that's why they are muslim. In contrary many of the Jews their are immigrant from european countries in the sole purpose of expelling the indegeniouse people who happen to be muslim in majority.

This is a sole misconception on your part. For example If I converted to Judaism does it mean that it is my right to take other people homes in the light that I am a Jew, in the cost of the people who where living their? Than set up a state of Israel.
IF you take the historical bible, than you will know the Jew's came to those land during the exodus and they are not native, but in the contrary the indiginouse people their existed their for a long time.
 
Geronimo said:
Outside of Israel the US has the largest Jewish population in the world. So what was that about not wanting them on our land?
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how come the jews flocked to the US? is it beacuse of antisemetism shown to them by the same europeans and russians who now wishes/pushes them into israel?

But the question is y? they created a country called israel? Do they love the jewish ppl much? Did they ever do this for any other country or ppl?:? or maybe is some hidden agenda? If they really loved them how come they dont respect their religous teachings etc? :?
 
Skillganon said:
No it, was the land of the people who where living their, and it includes Jews, christian, muslim. Many throughout the history converted to Islam, that's why they are muslim. In contrary many of the Jews their are immigrant from european countries in the sole purpose of expelling the indegeniouse people who happen to be muslim in majority.

This is a sole misconception on your part. For example If I converted to Judaism does it mean that it is my right to take other people homes in the light that I am a Jew, in the cost of the people who where living their? Than set up a state of Israel.
IF you take the historical bible, than you will know the Jew's came to those land during the exodus and they are not native, but in the contrary the indiginouse people their existed their for a long time.
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well put....but i dont think they will acknowledge ure point.
 
MRR said:
Because Israel already existed right where it is.
I would not consider the jews a problem for people elsewhere in the world. I can see why the arab countries in the region see them as a problem though. After each humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli army, in every war there has been. Yes, that would be a problem for me too.
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U seem to be gloating?
ANd what do u expect, when the west supplies arms and money to Israel ?
And when the Arabs get/purcahse ARms...the same west hits them with sanctions.
 
:sl: :brother: sameer!

how are you?

i to would like to know why the west dose that?:?
 
sameer said:
U seem to be gloating?
ANd what do u expect, when the west supplies arms and money to Israel ?
And when the Arabs get/purcahse ARms...the same west hits them with sanctions.
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Gloating? I'm not jewish. The reasons will always be the same for one side winning. More money and arms usually wins. What's the point? A win is still a win.
 
nennar said:
:sl: :brother: sameer!

how are you?

i to would like to know why the west dose that?:?
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wa alikum asalam sister nennar...I am good alhumdudillah..how about u? looooooooooooooooooooong time no see :)
 
sameer said:
how come the jews flocked to the US? is it beacuse of antisemetism shown to them by the same europeans and russians who now wishes/pushes them into israel?

But the question is y? they created a country called israel? Do they love the jewish ppl much? Did they ever do this for any other country or ppl?:? or maybe is some hidden agenda? If they really loved them how come they dont respect their religous teachings etc? :?
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Maybe because rockets don't lad on US soil everyday? I don't know you're gonna have to ask an American Jew.
 
do u guys know that jews aren't even alllowed to have their own state? Its written in their Torah or Talmud. One of them i think.
 
Skillganon said:
No it, was the land of the people who where living their, and it includes Jews, christian, muslim. Many throughout the history converted to Islam, that's why they are muslim. In contrary many of the Jews their are immigrant from european countries in the sole purpose of expelling the indegeniouse people who happen to be muslim in majority.

This is a sole misconception on your part. For example If I converted to Judaism does it mean that it is my right to take other people homes in the light that I am a Jew, in the cost of the people who where living their? Than set up a state of Israel.
IF you take the historical bible, than you will know the Jew's came to those land during the exodus and they are not native, but in the contrary the indiginouse people their existed their for a long time.
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But many also didn't convert but you are advocating they leave.
 
MRR said:
Gloating? I'm not jewish. The reasons will always be the same for one side winning. More money and arms usually wins. What's the point? A win is still a win.
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ure not jewish...buh u aint muslim either.

True..more money and arms usually wins in the short term.
 
Geronimo said:
But many also didn't convert but you are advocating they leave.
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I think i answered ure similar question in another thread...maybe u didnt read it...but then again maybe u deberatly go around in circles because u have nothing to say.
 
Geronimo said:
Show me where.
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http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/index.cfm

taken from the above jewish site:

All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism's fundamentals.

Condemnation of and segregation from anything connected to or affiliated with the so-called modern day "State of Israel" is based on the Talmud, the key fundamental doctrine of the Oral Tradition handed down by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai. The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos (p. 111a), teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David). Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain loyal citizens and we shall not attempt to leave the exile which G-d sent us into, ahead of time.

Jews are not allowed to dominate, kill, harm or demean another people and are not allowed to have anything to do with the Zionist enterprise, their political meddling and their wars.
 
sameer said:
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/index.cfm

taken from the above jewish site:

All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism's fundamentals.

Condemnation of and segregation from anything connected to or affiliated with the so-called modern day "State of Israel" is based on the Talmud, the key fundamental doctrine of the Oral Tradition handed down by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai. The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos (p. 111a), teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David). Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain loyal citizens and we shall not attempt to leave the exile which G-d sent us into, ahead of time.

Jews are not allowed to dominate, kill, harm or demean another people and are not allowed to have anything to do with the Zionist enterprise, their political meddling and their wars.
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You do realize this is a very small group that is consider to be out of touch with most Jews. That they don't even represent 1% of the Jewish population

Neturei Karta (Aramaic: נטורי קרתא; "Guardians of the City") is a group of Haredi (Ultra-Orthodox) Jews who reject all forms of Zionism and actively oppose the existence of the State of Israel. They are concentrated in Jerusalem, with branches in and around New York City and in Beit Shemesh near Jerusalem. Estimates of their membership range from 5,000 to less than 1,000
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Mainstream Orthodox Jewish communities, including some who oppose Zionism, have denounced Neturei Karta's activities; according to The Guardian, "[e]ven among Charedi, or ultra-Orthodox circles, the Neturei Karta are regarded as a wild fringe".
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