I've just seen the board, here's how I would reply, well roughly:
To Oi_Ve, Hope all is well, to proceed:
Gregor Mendel was a monk who worked with pea plants. Through his various breeding experiments, Mendel, a monk who knew almost nothing of biology, would later craft the founding principles of genetics.
So, by your logic, Mendel was given this information by divine intervention.
Let me quote someone if you allow me, he is:
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992.
He states "Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time
of their writing . ."
This is the test, no point in telling me about Mendel if his knowledge could be derived through experiments in his own life time!
What exactly did Mendel prove, and how did he come to his conclusion? Was it based on experiments and estimation of his own doing? Please provide more information.
In addition, it does not follow that just because the Koran gets somethings right that it gets ALL things right. Just because you get some stuff right doesn't mean you get it all right.
Every passage in the Qu'ranic text that can be proved right or wrong by science has been proved right, some passages are yet not able to be proved right or wrong due to the lack of technology.
Also, I suggest highly that you DON'T try and validify the Koran with science, because the second science proves one in the book wrong, your religous scripture automatically loses its validity.
If you cannot play by all the rules science, then don't play science.
The Qu'ran actually clearly challenges anyone to find ONE thing wrong within it's scripture, (SOMEONE ADD THE AYAH TAHT SAYS ABOUT FINDING ONE CONTRADICTION PLEASE).
Expanding is a poor term here: it does nnot refer to the physical expansion of the universe, but the metphorical expansion: the enriching of it.
Am wondering, where did you study arabic? You know arabic right? Even if you do, please show us how you derive that the word expanding refers to enriching?
Besides, the Bible already has a passage such as this, therefore if there is any credit to be given to any religious scripture, it's the Bible, not the Koran.
Please show us the verse, also even if the Bible does have a similar verse, it does not mean much, since the Bible has scientific errors, which would rule out it being 100% G-d's word.
According the Koran we also come from earth (11:61), clay (15:26), mud (23:12), dust (30:20), water (25:54), and nothing (19:67).
I will quote the introduction to an article written by A Brother of mine Ansar Al-Ald, if you truly wish to understand Islaam, then please read it here
The allegation is as follows:
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
The obvious explanation to this question is that these references describe different aspects or stages in man's creation. This has always been the understanding of such verses.
Sura 86:6- According to it, semen is produced between the ribs and the loins, which is inaccurate.
I have seen an answer to this at understandingislam.com or something like that and I think theres an answer at this site too, look through the refutation places.
In addition, the description of human creation is almost identical to the description given by Greek physician Galen in 150 AD. Both make the EXACT same mistakes.
Actually, you have shown no mistakes in the Qu'ran, what you have brought forward as sensless and fraud accusations which have been debunked by numerous people. [you could mention the mistakes that Galen and others made and that the quran does not make, but that requires you fiding quotes and sources]
Hi, Skeptickguy, with regards to:
If the Quran is an amazingly scientificlly accurate book and it was made 1400 years ago, the only logical explanation for how a nomad would know so much info is through alien intervention. So if the entire Quran is extraterrestrial and unchanged, that means all of it is alien. So that means when it says that there is one God it is an alien snow job.
Actually, if you take the word alien, to mean " a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial." then yes, without using the word creature which seems disrespectful, the Qu'ran came from knowledge of G-d, which is not a being that lives here with us, nor are the angels.
If the Quran is an amazingly scientificlly accurate book and it was made 1400 years ago, the only logical explanation for how a nomad would know so much info is through demonic intervention. So if the entire Quran is demonic and unchanged, that means all of it is a deception. So that means when it says that there is one God it is a lie.
I do not know, what amount of logic you are using but it is rather Illogical for Satan to paint himself in a low level, of saying he is accursed, and weak, and potraying that he, satan, actually prayed to G-d, rather Illogical for Satan to admit that. [QURAN quotation about when Satan asked G-d for respite till judgement day]
The aliens may have been studying the earth for years before they planted the Koran. They knew the direction mankind was taking and so they "inspired" clues in the text about discoveries we'd soon make as a species. They knew we'd make these discoveries sooner or later because all intelligent speicies in the universe that these aliens had studied (they just happened to be the oldest known living race of intelligent beings in the known quadrant) also had eventually stumbled upon them.
They didn't want to inspire a king because they knew the reaction folks like you would have to an 'illiterate' bedouin from which these revelations came. The impact would be that much greater. And one of the things they were studying (because they hadn't stumbled upon it in any of their previous journeys to other civilizations) is the impact of religious belief on human beings. Could they successfully imbed this knowledge in a book from an illiterate tent-dweller and launch a new world religion? I'd say their experiment succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.
You see, there is some logic needed, for example you claim it was aliens, if we forget the fact that under aliens would come angels and G-d, since they are not beings from this world. So lets leave those, explain to me what these aliens are like? break it down to me? Otherwise, if you don't then your logic only points that these aliens, are actually angels who promugate the word of G-d, which is what is logical sense this is what the Qu'ran talks about.
Also he quoted you saying, 'Also religion takes logic and some faith' you should try and be careful with your words. Religion in general does not take logic, only the right religion does, if someone is looking to find a religion and uses logic then alot of them wont make sense to the person, but Islam always will! :)
Anyhow, this is just a personal thing, seems like yall having an intersting discussion.
May Allah forgive me for any wrong I've said or type, All praise is due to Allah!