Iranian-American Student Abused By UCLA UCPD With Tazer GUN

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Equal rights? This nation has a tradition of "all talk, no action." When have we ever TRULY had equal rights in this nation? Are there still glass ceilings for women and minorities? Are there still biased count rulings and arrests based on skin color and racial profiling? And when was the last time you saw a white guy get tazed for not showing ID? It's easy to say we live in a country with "equal rights" when you've never really, truly, tasted the brutal pain of racism.
 
Re: Muslim UCLA student tasered to hell in university library

I would like the thoughts of atheists on this especially. Thanks
 
Samee said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3GstYOIc0I

Equal rights? This nation has a tradition of "all talk, no action." When have we ever TRULY had equal rights in this nation? Are there still glass ceilings for women and minorities? Are there still biased count rulings and arrests based on skin color and racial profiling? And when was the last time you saw a white guy get tazed for not showing ID? It's easy to say we live in a country with "equal rights" when you've never really, truly, tasted the brutal pain of racism.
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How do you know this was racially motivated? Besides, weren't the cops a black guy and an asian? Not to say they can't be racist, but it does undermine the claim that this would never happen to whites.

The guy apparently was on the premises without ID, refused to show an ID and refused to leave. He made a big scene and did not obey orders from law enforcement officials. He does not appear completely innocent in this whole mess. Which does not mean the officers have no blame, their response was clearly excessive.
 
On reflection, I don't think it was racially motivated and to argue that is barking up the wrong tree. I think it's an issue of excessive force. The guy was indeed making a scene, but as you said, that doesn't justify the disproportionate response. I hope those rent-a-cops are dealt with accordingly.
 
I wish i never saw that. I dont really care what reason it was ..... He is a student not a criminal . There is so many things wrong with what i just seen i dunno from where to begin and thats just with this one poor guy. What about Palestine? and the things we dont get to see? I really find it hard to deal with all the unjustice in this world.
 
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How do you know this was racially motivated? Besides, weren't the cops a black guy and an asian? Not to say they can't be racist, but it does undermine the claim that this would never happen to whites.

The guy apparently was on the premises without ID, refused to show an ID and refused to leave. He made a big scene and did not obey orders from law enforcement officials. He does not appear completely innocent in this whole mess. Which does not mean the officers have no blame, their response was clearly excessive.
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The Powell Library is open to the public until 11PM. After 11PM it's reserved for students, faculty and staff. Even though it’s true that be failed to produce an ID, this kid fully agreed to leaving the library. According to the UCLA new source, when he was asked to leave, he relied “Yeah, just a min, let me log off" implying he was going to shut off the computer and leave, they called campus police. By the time the campus had arrived a few min. later, he had packed up all of his stuff he was working on and was walking out.

Your assumptions also misguided you from reality. Here are some news sources about the incident:

[BREAKING NEWS]: Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers
Incident occured around 11:30 p.m. in the Powell Library CLICC computer lab

UCPD officers shot a student several times with a Taser inside the Powell Library CLICC computer lab late Tuesday night before taking him into custody.

No university police officers were available to comment further about the incident as of 3 a.m. Wednesday, and no Community Service Officers who were on duty at the time could be reached.

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.

It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.

UCPD officers confirmed that the man involved in the incident was a student, but did not give a name or any additional information about his identity.

Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ****ing abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.

As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.

"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

Gordy was visibly upset by the incident and said other students were also disturbed.

"It's a shock that something like this can happen at UCLA," she said. "It was unnecessary what they did."

Immediately after the incident, several students began to contact local news outlets, informing them of the incident, and Remesnitsky wrote an e-mail to Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams.
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Also, it seems from your misguided post that you have little knowledge of tasers and when they should be used:

What happens to you when you are shot by a taser or stun gun?

Tasers and stun guns are high-voltage, low-current stimulators that can cause involuntary muscle contractions, loss of body control, and sensations such as pain and extreme fatigue. They are used as police weapons as a person can be immobilised without the injury or death that would normally result from the use of a normal police revolver.

Both tasers and stun guns produce electrical stimuli in the form of shocks of about 50,000 volts that last for a fraction of a second. In a taser, an electrode is shot out as a dart and impacts upon the body. In a stun gun, the electrodes are fixed into the gun itself.

[/b]If taser darts are shot into a standing person's thigh at 10 inches apart and from a distance of six feet away, the leg will be locked into a flexed position and the person will be unable to continue to stand. If a stun gun is shot at a standing person's rib cage from a distance of six feet away for four to five seconds, the person will be considerably weakened and in most cases brought to their knees.
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video --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs&eurl=

article on what happened --> http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

statement from UCLA --> http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=7513
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These sources clearly dismantle your view of the tragedy.

According to winesses:

1.) He did not have an ID card and was asked to leave.
2.) Student complied
3.) Minutes later, cops got hold of him near the exit and the student got rightfully insecure as to why.
4.) Student gets handcuffed.
5.) Cops tasered the kid a total of 6 times, especially after the student could not stand after being tased. The cops had no idea that his muscles were flexed.
6.) Cops threatened students watching to taser them. These students merely wanted their ID badges for the complaint.
7.) Reports state that Tabatabainejad was hit by the suffered "moderate to severe contusions" on his right side.
8.) It was just sadism on behalf of the cops. There were enough there to easily push him to the ground and cuff him. Woulda taken a real cop about 15 seconds at most.


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---- Even though I agree it was not a racial issue, your case that one cop was black and the other was Asian is idiotic to the nth degree. You expect all racists to be Caucasians?? There is no justification for an UNARMED, HANDCUFFED STUDENT being brutally treated like that. Tasers are only to be used when victims are violently aggressive to the officer (s). Statistics show that 148 died after being tasered in the past 5 years.
 
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I might say that given the fact that you are new to the forum that you could be excused for some of the insults that you have directed at this other member. But there is no excuse for speaking this way to another. Besides the fact that there are strict forum rules regarding verbal abuse of others, there is also the issue of discussing respectfully. If you disagree, by all means point out where you believe the other person to be wrong, but pleasae refrain from the insults.
Also, in regard to the extra information you provided about the situation as it occured, this was not obvious to everyone reading this thread. I did not know all that happened before getting to this information in your post, and until then I was making the same assumptions. How would a person know? It appeared as if the person was being combative with police.
While true that this makes a good case for getting all information before making a judgement (which we are all guilty of not doing), it is equally important to be respectful of others on the forum, and everywhere else you meet others in life.
 
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I am not going to apologize for my comments. KAding tried to take an authoritative stance and undermined the incident by falsely putting some accusations on the poor kid where reality was quite the opposite.
 
Muslim Thinker said:
I am not going to apologize for my comments. KAding tried to take an authoritative stance and undermined the incident by falsely putting some accusations on the poor kid where reality was quite the opposite.
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Do we know what his level of understanding was when he made his statement? You had information that he was not aware of. I also was not aware of the article you quoted, and was drawing the same conclusions.

Can he really be blamed for not being given all the information?
 
Can we just get back to the subject at hand please? Thank you for providing the facts, Muslim Thinker.
 
Whoa calm down Muslim Thinker. No need to start calling names, like retard and ass. :S

The facts are very much disputed. Other reports indicate he repeatedly refused to show his ID or leave when asked.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printed...8,1,3826691.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage
According to the university, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 23-year-old senior, was asked for his ID as part of a routine nightly procedure to make sure that everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials have said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.

Authorities said Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by community service officers and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave.

UCLA Police Chief Karl Ross said the officers decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad after he went limp while they were escorting him out and urged other library patrons to join his resistance.

Mavrick Goodrich, a chemical engineering major who observed the incident, said Tabatabainejad shouted, "Am I the only martyr?"

Some witnesses disputed the officers' account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.
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It seems he had plenty of opportunities to defuse the situation and decided rather to escalate. Nevertheless, like I said, the officers response was clearly excessive.
 
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Authorities said Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by community service officers and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave.
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If he refused to provide ID or to leave, then clearly the police are within their rights to forcefully remove him. If he then begins to shout, "don't touch me!" and avoids being removed, then clearly, it is time to use the tazer. It would be unwise to behave this way, if he did.

A jolt from a tazer does not leave you unable to move for long periods of time. If he was able to move, and simply being stubborn when told to stand up, then yes, time for some more tazer. If in fact this is what was happening. But since there are conflicting reports, we don't really know what happened.

Both scenarios are believable. Some police officers will use excessive force. On the other hand, some young men are rebellious and will defy the authority that police officers have, and refuse to co-operate.
 
KAding said:
Whoa calm down. No need to start calling names.

The facts are very much disputed. Other reports indicate he repeatedly refused to show his ID or leave when asked.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printed...8,1,3826691.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage


It seems he had plenty of opportunities to defuse the situation and decided rather to escalate. Nevertheless, like I said, the officers response was clearly excessive.
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LOL, I'll take the accounts of first hand witnesses over the accounts of the cops anyday. Did you know that kid also had a medical condition which he told the cops about when they grabbed him?? The overwhelming majority of the sources support that the kid complied to leave and HE WAS HELD BY THE COPS ON HIS WAY OUT!! Do you not understand English?? I also noticed you haven’t bothered to even see the video or read the accounts of eye-witnesses. I admit the kid said some crazy stuff (ex. Patriot Act), but why do u expect when the cops treat u like an animal??

KAding said:
It seems he had plenty of opportunities to defuse the situation and decided rather to escalate. Nevertheless, like I said, the officers response was clearly excessive.
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He did whatever a person in his position would. You’re sickening by undermining the tragedy. Also, the video evidence does not at all indicate he yelled “am I a matry” crap. He didn’t have an ID, agreed to leave after shutting the computer, and was leaving before the cops grabbed him and tasered him six times AFTER HE WAS HANDCUFFED!! This kid wasn’t even fighting. What opportunities did he have?
 
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If he refused to provide ID or to leave, then clearly the police are within their rights to forcefully remove him. If he then begins to shout, "don't touch me!" and avoids being removed, then clearly, it is time to use the tazer. It would be unwise to behave this way, if he did.

A jolt from a tazer does not leave you unable to move for long periods of time. If he was able to move, and simply being stubborn when told to stand up, then yes, time for some more tazer. If in fact this is what was happening. But since there are conflicting reports, we don't really know what happened.

Both scenarios are believable. Some police officers will use excessive force. On the other hand, some young men are rebellious and will defy the authority that police officers have, and refuse to co-operate.
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Either way, these rent-a-cops should be punished. The guy already got his punishment.

On the video, one of these 'officers' (because they're not part of the LAPD, they seem to be some sort of internal police force for the uni) even threatened to tazer one of the other students who was asking for his badge number.

I don't think real police officers would react so stupidly. There were three or four of them, if he was making a scene and breaching the peace, a cop would just cuff him and simply drag him out with his comrades as opposed to zapping him, cuffing him, zapping him some more and wondering why he can't get up.
 
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If he refused to provide ID or to leave, then clearly the police are within their rights to forcefully remove him. If he then begins to shout, "don't touch me!" and avoids being removed, then clearly, it is time to use the tazer. It would be unwise to behave this way, if he did.
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Did you not read what I posted? He agreed to leave after shutting of the computer. He was grabbed by the cops ON HIS WAY OUT. Anybody in his position would be pissed when the cops grab his arms and arrest him FOR NO REASON. Where does it say he was avoiding being removed?? Did you not see the video when he was yelling in desperation that he was leaving?? Quit being delusional. The kid even had a medical condition.

GARY said:
A jolt from a tazer does not leave you unable to move for long periods of time. If he was able to move, and simply being stubborn when told to stand up, then yes, time for some more tazer. If in fact this is what was happening. But since there are conflicting reports, we don't really know what happened.
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Do you even know how much it hurts to get tasered? No, you don’t. The kid CANNOT stand up because his legs were flexed!! No sane person would be stubborn enough to endure the pain of a taser 6 times. There are no conflicting reports……the video and the eye-witness accounts of the students and alumnus already reflects a clear picture of the incident.

GARY said:
Both scenarios are believable. Some police officers will use excessive force. On the other hand, some young men are rebellious and will defy the authority that police officers have, and refuse to co-operate.
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Despite the fact that reports refute your scenario, why would a kid be defiant over a silly ID card?? It is obvious the polices for scumbags and deserved to be sued. I have access to the kid’s facebook and I don’t see the images to be pleasant.
 
Muezzin said:
Either way, these rent-a-cops should be punished. The guy already got his punishment.

On the video, one of these 'officers' (because they're not part of the LAPD, they seem to be some sort of internal police force for the uni) even threatened to tazer one of the other students who was asking for his badge number.

I don't think real police officers would react so stupidly. There were three or four of them, if he was making a scene and breaching the peace, a cop would just cuff him and simply drag him out with his comrades as opposed to zapping him, cuffing him, zapping him some more and wondering why he can't get up.
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I somewhat agree. Even if he was refusing to co-operate, he was not a big person. They could have both dragged him out (screaming and kicking I'm sure).
 
As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.

"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

Gordy was visibly upset by the incident and said other students were also disturbed.

"It's a shock that something like this can happen at UCLA," she said. "It was unnecessary what they did."

Immediately after the incident, several students began to contact local news outlets, informing them of the incident, and Remesnitsky wrote an e-mail to Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams.

^^ What are your thoughts, GARY?? These students lying??
 

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