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New_Muslim
Please feel free to refute any of the points I will make in this thread. God can not be completely disproven, though prehaps to a reasonable point. Allow me to play devil's advocate.
1. If god is all-powerful and can do anything, can he build a boulder he can't lift or a universe can't control? Either way there is something he is unable to do and thus not all-powerful.
Salams bro :)
It's easy to answer these questiosn if we take a careful look at the question.
All powerful = "able to exert a lot of influence and control over people and events" and "with unbeatable sterngth" (Microsoft Dictionary)
Knowing that, to say that an all powerful being can be beaten or out-done is a contradictory statement. So the question itself is invalid.
2. If everything needs a creator, than who created the creator? If you say no one because everything must have a start(and god is at the start), than logically no one had to create the universe, because it was the start of everything. Nothing before it, including a God.
I gave a detailed answer here, similar thing to the above:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...tml#post618098
3. Moses is an important prophet in Islam and is discussed in both the Qur'an and the Bible. New edvince suggests he did not exist, and thus was not a prophet. Making both the Bible and the Qur'an null and void.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features...,1475491.story
Can you give us the link? Also i think the fact that different books which emerged in different areas spoke about him and gave deatiled narrations of his life is an indication enough of his existance.
On what ground is this evidence based on:?
4. what was god doing before he created the universe?
All we are told is that "god was there". The question seems to imply that god is time dependent (i.e. he exists within some time domain)... which is wrong since Allah, by definition is spacetime independent. (he is the creator of time)
5.In a vacuum, particles(matter) do appear from nothing and thus would not require a creator. Also at the start of the universe, laws of this universe such as nothing be appear from nothing don't apply. So it is entirely possible that matter formed before it was able to be created or destroyed.
:lol: who said that, that's
sooo highly misleading!! They're talking about
virtual particles in aquantum vaccuum... here's how it works:
The particles
don't come out of nothing, lkiterally nothing, we call them 'virtual particles. The energy stored in vaccuum alterantes almost instantanously that get converted into temporary particles that return back to the vaccuum.
I think he's talking about the quantum vaccuum, i strongly encourage you to read about it... they dont come out of nothing, its just energy spontaneoulsy getting converted to 'temporary' particles that vanish back into vaccuum.
Hence that argument falls apart.
lol i loveeee it when they use quantum theory to try prove things like this... i actually laugh with excitement.. they sooo twist it like no tomorrow lol.
as for prior to universe, there was no space/time..so they cant use the quantum vaccuum thing, read up towards the end of this i'll explain.
Even in the case that one is tempted (which i believe is not the natural inclination), it's no different to illegal heterosexual behaviour. It is considered illegal behaviour which is punished just like zina after marriage.
It's the only way to prevent unnatural behaviour from society, i'm sure there exists alot of papers that probably explaint aht it is a choice and not as 'natural' as some people would like to think it is.
serious? where's the proof? Why do they still call it the 'theory of evolution'?
Islam is neutral to the theory with regards to creation in general, it doesn't affirm or negate it. But we knwo from the quran that the creation of man is a miracle which was done over a period fo 40 years i think (on a heavenly time-scale).
To sum up; The universe was formed when particles appeared outside of the laws of this universe some 13.4 billion years ago. This led to the big bang, starting the formation of what we know today as the earth and the sun. through billion of years, earth's environment became suitable for life. Life began to form through organic interactions.That life evolved and the earth changed until we arrive at modern day where the homo sapien is the dominate animal as the dinosaurs were years ago.
as i said, there's no proof for theory of evolution. i still have yet to see any of that.
as for the firstpart, that actually acts as evdience for existance of Allah, the fact that the universe was the result of the instanton (a 'particle' that came out of nothing (i.e. there was no spacetime ), without any
physical prior event), is perfect indication of a creator, since Allah is spacetime independent and is by definition the creator.
also, the creation of the universe was an unpredictable event (as well as an unphysically caused one), and that also befits Allah's description, since he creates at free will and out of nothing :)
Check this for more info to backup my claim abotu it being without any physical priori
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/qg_qc.html
tc all the best :)