Asexual Reproduction

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatallah wa barakatu

That He did create in pairs,- male and female [53:45]

...We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs. [31:10]

Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge. [36:36]

Where does asexual reproduction (hermaphrodites,parthenogenetic organisms, binary fission, unisexual organisms) come in?

i.e.

Unisexual Whiptail lizard

Asexual reproduction

Binary Fission

Are there any mentionings of it in ahadith or Quran itself?

How much is the word "pair" emphasized into Allah's (swt) creations (as in Allah (swt) couldn't have literally meant pairs in all things if there are some organisms that can reproduce without a significant other)?

I'd be very much appreciative if someone can answer ASAP.

Barak Allahu feekum in advance

*Note to mods: Sorry if it's in the wrong section.

fi aman Allah
walaikum Assalam wa rahmatallah wa barakatu

[Skillganon]

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatallah wa barakatu

) come in?

Walaikum assalam.

Where does asexual reproduction (hermaphrodites,parthenogenetic organisms, binary fission, unisexual organismsal_reproduction"]Asexual reproduction

Binary Fission

Are there any mentionings of it in ahadith or Quran itself?

How much is the word "pair" emphasized into Allah's (swt) creations (as in Allah (swt) couldn't have literally meant pairs in all things if there are some organisms that can reproduce without a significant other)?

I'd be very much appreciative if someone can answer ASAP.

The important thing is we must not read everything into one ayat by doing so we create problems of ourself that is not their.

1. The Unisexual Lizards is the first I have heard of. So I will not ponder on it too much, as I don't know enough apart from what is presented in the article but netherless interesting.

Some animal's do and can reproduce asexually, but this does not neccesarily mean they don't have pair's. (As far as I am aware)

You can read on: Parthenogenesis

2. Their are not exactly any sexes as far as I am aware of with micro-organism. Anyway out of interest one must note that Micro-organism can and do exchange genetic material with each other to acquire new genetic material i.e. bacterial conjugation. However they reproduce by binary fission.
you, yourself, reproduce new cell by mitosis.

I hope that helps.

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

barak allahu feek for your reply ekhi

so basically, you are saying that even though there may be some organisms that reproduce asexually, they still have pairs even though they may not necessarily need them for reproduction?

Also, if you don't mind, do you know of any ayahs or ahadith that pertain to anything we are discussing, even if it's not direct, just in general?


fi aman Allah
w'salaam

[Skillganon]

Assalamu Alaikum

barak allahu feek for your reply ekhi

so basically, you are saying that even though there may be some organisms that reproduce asexually, they still have pairs even though they may not necessarily need them for reproduction?

Walaikum assalam.

Fundentally yes. However I will not say "not need them for reproduction" is not entirely correct & can be misleading. If the male did and does exist and they can reproduce sexually where does "not need them" come in?

One should note some animals can reproduce both sexually and asexually. If the females some reason has start producing asexually only, as far as I am aware, they have male pair.
If for some reason they don't have male pair, it maybe becuase of number of reason who know's maybe the males has died out.
Read the Link I gave you on wikipedia.

Also, if you don't mind, do you know of any ayahs or ahadith that pertain to anything we are discussing, even if it's not direct, just in general?

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

Sis, I don't know if their is any.
Not everything about the world is mentioned in the Islam, it is not suppose to sis.

Something we should be make note of.
I hope that helps.

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[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

:sl:

24:45 ...Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things.

The Qur'an does mention asexual reproduction in plants, in Surah Ar Ra'd:

4. And in the earth are neighbouring tracts, and gardens of vines, and green crops (fields etc.), and date-palms, growing out two or three from a single stem root, or otherwise , watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Verily, in these things, there are Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs) for the people who understand.

That's all I know on this subject. Allahu Alam.

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

oh sorry, I must've missed that link..

barak allahu feek for all your help ekhi

It's more clear now, alhemdulilah. Someone asked me about this a few days ago and it was just annoying me because I couldn't find any articles written about it.

24:45 ...Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things.

The Qur'an does mention asexual reproduction in plants, in Surah Ar Ra'd:

4. And in the earth are neighbouring tracts, and gardens of vines, and green crops (fields etc.), and date-palms, growing out two or three from a single stem root, or otherwise , watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Verily, in these things, there are Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs) for the people who understand.

jazak allahu khair, that helps a lot.

fi aman allah
w'salaam

[Skillganon]

Sis Charisma. I have not read all of it but you can read this:

1. THE ANIMAL AND VEGETABLE KINGDOMS
Note: Their are several pages to it, make sure you click the arrow at the bottom.

I advise everyone not to go looking for or attributing something that may or may not be their.

[syilla]

is it true...the fall off tail of a lizard...can be joined back(if the lizard is near) :uuh:

my sister in-law saw it.... :uuh:

[Woodrow]

is it true...the fall off tail of a lizard...can be joined back(if the lizard is near) :uuh:

my sister in-law saw it.... :uuh:

No it can not rejoin. but most lizards can grow a new tail. On occasion if the new growth is damaged it can form into 2 or more tails. Your cousin may have seen a 2 tailed lizard loose one tail and then notice it still had a tail.

[syilla]

No it can not rejoin. but most lizards can grow a new tail. On occasion if the new growth is damaged it can form into 2 or more tails. Your cousin may have seen a 2 tailed lizard loose one tail and then notice it still had a tail.

thank you...

i was arguing with her about this... :D

[Malaikah]

The Qur'an does mention asexual reproduction in plants, in Surah Ar Ra'd:

4. And in the earth are neighbouring tracts, and gardens of vines, and green crops (fields etc.), and date-palms, growing out two or three from a single stem root, or otherwise , watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Verily, in these things, there are Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs) for the people who understand.

:sl:

Are you sure that is what it is referring to? I've never heard of asexual reproduction in plants...:confused:

How much is the word "pair" emphasized into Allah's (swt) creations (as in Allah (swt) couldn't have literally meant pairs in all things if there are some organisms that can reproduce without a significant other)?

Sis, what makes you think the verse is talking about 'pairs' as in male/female? :?

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

:sl:

Are you sure that is what it is referring to? I've never heard of asexual reproduction in plants...:confused:

:w:

The verse spoke about two/three branches coming out from one and that's asexual reproduction in modern terms innit?

I found this in Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

﴿صِنْوَنٌ وَغَيْرُ صِنْوَنٍ﴾

(Sinwanun wa (or) Ghayru Sinwan.) `Sinwan' means, growing into two or three from a single stem, such as figs, pomegranate and dates. `Ghayru Sinwan' means, having one stem for every tree, as is the case with most plants.

Allahu Alam, but that seemed like asexual reproduction to me.

[Woodrow]

Our big problem is not only are most of us here not scholars in the Qur'an none of us are proficient biologists. We only confusing ourselves and others.

The Qur'an is true. Valid biological findings are true. If they do not appear to validate each other it is simply because we really do not understand biology that well. The more knowledge we have of the workings in biology the more we can see that it supports Qur'anic knowledge.

The simplistic and most basic factor to consider is that in all life any reproduction at the microscopic level is the result of the exchange of gametes between individual strands of DNA at the nucliod level. This requires at least a pair of amino acid molecules at the lowest known life form. No matter how complex or simple it appears to be among various levels of life. At some point a pair of something is required for reproduction to occur.

For further understanding please contact your nearest nobel prize winner in the field of biology.

The Qur'an is simple, streight foreward and understandable. To apply it as an understanding of biological factors, we need to know much more about biology than what will be found at the typical University level. Once we reduce the biological factors down to the smallest componants and work from there we can have some basis to understand what is happening.

If we really want to get impressive about our level of understanding of biology we can carry this conversation over to a discussion of triploidal reproduction, alternation of species, multiple sexualities (some life forms actual have at least 7 seperate sexes). None of that will help us understand the Qur'an. But conversly a good understanding of the Qur'an will give us a good understanding about the inner workings of biological factors.

[SUMMAYAH]

Our big problem is not only are most of us here not scholars in the Qur'an none of us are proficient biologists. We only confusing ourselves and others.

The Qur'an is true. Valid biological findings are true. If they do not appear to validate each other it is simply because we really do not understand biology that well. The more knowledge we have of the workings in biology the more we can see that it supports Qur'anic knowledge.

The simplistic and most basic factor to consider is that in all life any reproduction at the microscopic level is the result of the exchange of gametes between individual strands of DNA at the nucliod level. This requires at least a pair of amino acid molecules at the lowest known life form. No matter how complex or simple it appears to be among various levels of life. At some point a pair of something is required for reproduction to occur.

For further understanding please contact your nearest nobel prize winner in the field of biology.

The Qur'an is simple, streight foreward and understandable. To apply it as an understanding of biological factors, we need to know much more about biology than what will be found at the typical University level. Once we reduce the biological factors down to the smallest componants and work from there we can have some basis to understand what is happening.

If we really want to get impressive about our level of understanding of biology we can carry this conversation over to a discussion of triploidal reproduction, alternation of species, multiple sexualities (some life forms actual have at least 7 seperate sexes). None of that will help us understand the Qur'an. But conversly a good understanding of the Qur'an will give us a good understanding about the inner workings of biological factors.

Mashallah. I couldn't of put it any better.

[FadiChaabo]

The Quran doesnt leave out asexual organisms because even asexual organisms are created in pairs. The pairs as we know them are mainly characterized by chromosomes but that was not mentioned in the quran. The quran clearly states pairs. Pairs can be homosexual but need each other for survival. As described in the paper "Sexual" behavior in parthenogenetic lizards (Cnemidophorus), we can clearly see that pairs are involved in the reproduction even though the chromosomes are the same. ABSTRACT of the paper 'All-female, parthenogenetic species afford a unique test of hypotheses regarding the nature and evolution of sexuality. Basic data on the behavior of parthenogens are lacking, however. We have discovered, from observations of captive Cnemidophorus uniparens, C. velox, and C. tesselatus, behavior patterns remarkably similar to the courtship and copulatory behavior of closely related sexual species. Briefly, in separately housed pairs, one lizard was repeatedly seen to mount and ride its cagemate and appose the cloacal regions. Dissection or palpation revealed that, in each instance, the courted animal was reproductively active, having ovaries containing large, preovulatory follicles, while the courting animal was either reproductively inactive or postovulatory, having ovaries containing only small, undeveloped follicles. These observations are significant for the questions they raise. For example, is this behavior a nonfunctional vestige of the species' ancestry, or is this behavior necessary for successful reproduction in the species (e.g., by priming reproductive neuroendocrine mechanisms as has been demonstrated in sexual species)? Furthermore, read on wikipedia about the sex of offsprings in parthenogensis: In apomictic parthenogenesis, the offspring are clones of the mother and hence (except for aphids) are usually female. In the case of aphids, parthenogenetically produced males and females are clones of their mother except that the males lack one of the X chromosomes (XO).[24] When meiosis is involved, the sex of the offspring will depend on the type of sex determination system and the type of apomixis. In species that use the XY sex-determination system, parthenogenetic offspring will have two X chromosomes and are female. In species that use the ZW sex-determination system the offspring genotype may be one of ZW (female),[20][21] ZZ (male), or WW (non-viable in most species[23] but a fertile,[dubious – discuss] viable female in a few (e.g., boas)).[23] ZW offspring are produced by endoreplication before meiosis or by central fusion.[20][21] ZZ and WW offspring occur either by terminal fusion[23] or by endomitosis in the egg cell. In many hymenopteran insects such as honeybees, female eggs are produced sexually, using sperm from a drone father, while the production of further drones (males) depends on the queen (and occasionally workers) producing unfertilised eggs. This means that females (workers and queens) are always diploid, while males (drones) are always haploid, and produced parthenogenetically. May Allah be praised as he knows what we dont know. Werner Heisenberg said once: The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”