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Muezzin
02-14-2007, 12:25 PM
A FORMER British National Party election candidate and a dentist stockpiled explosive chemicals in advance of a civil war in Britain, Manchester Crown Court heard.

Ex-BNP candidate Robert Cottage, 49, wrote of assassinating Tony Blair and bought dangerous chemicals together with friend David Jackson, 62, it was claimed.

He also downloaded the Anarchy Cookbook - a manual on how to make bombs, the court heard. Cottage, who worked as a bus driver transporting disabled children to school, feared the country was almost on the brink of civil war.

He began buying hundreds of pounds' worth of chemicals from the internet and tinned foods which he stored in his house on Talbot Street, Colne.

Cottage allegedly told friends he would like to shoot Mr Blair and local Liberal Democrat peer Lord Greaves.

When police raided his home last year they discovered crossbows and four air pistols together with ammunition stashed in suitcases.

They also found boxes of ball bearings which the prosecution claim could be used as shrapnel.

Following interviews with Cottage, detectives raided Jackson's home on Trent Road, Nelson, and found a bow, arrows and two nuclear protection suits.

Louise Blackwell QC, prosecuting, told how Cottage's wife, Kerena, suffered mental health problems and had visited a social worker last year. During the meeting, she explained she was growing increasingly concerned over her husband who had crossbows and large quantities of chemicals stored at their home.

This sparked a police operation and officers raided the house that evening.

The two men deny conspiracy to cause an explosion.

Cottage has pleaded guilty to possession of explosives but Jackson, who works as a dentist in Lancaster and Cumbria, denies an identical charge.

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Keltoi
02-14-2007, 01:41 PM
Seems like deranged behavior. Crossbows and air pistols? Anyway, the most dangerous element is the ball bearings. Glad they discovered this and arrested those guys. Great Britain doesn't need a Timothy McVeigh piled upon everything else.
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Muezzin
02-14-2007, 02:20 PM
Ain't that the truth.
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wilberhum
02-14-2007, 06:47 PM
I guess this proves the BNP is evil.
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KAding
02-14-2007, 06:54 PM
Lets hope they put him away for a long time.
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Umar001
02-14-2007, 06:54 PM
Well he's an ex member, not like he was acting under orders, maybe he was maybe he wasnt.

But I dont see why the article mentions the tinned food. Was that lethal too?


He began buying hundreds of pounds' worth of chemicals from the internet and tinned foods which he stored in his house on Talbot Street, Colne.
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Muezzin
02-14-2007, 06:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi
Well he's an ex member, not like he was acting under orders, maybe he was maybe he wasnt.

But I dont see why the article mentions the tinned food. Was that lethal too?


He began buying hundreds of pounds' worth of chemicals from the internet and tinned foods which he stored in his house on Talbot Street, Colne.
I think they're trying to imply he was preparing for some sort of nuclear fallout. At least, that's the only thing I could infer from that.

Alternatively, the writer of the article might bear a grudge against Del Monte.

:p
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mahdisoldier19
02-15-2007, 12:56 AM
Well at least religion is not mentioned for once, Oops wait! that happens if a person is a Mumeen or Muslim!
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KAding
02-15-2007, 01:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19
Well at least religion is not mentioned for once, Oops wait! that happens if a person is a Mumeen or Muslim!
No, that happens when they say they are planning stuff because they want to please Allah. This man does not do it to please his God, thus his religious background is not relevant.
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England
02-15-2007, 06:27 PM
Propoganda at its best
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Muezzin
02-15-2007, 07:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by England
Propoganda at its best
Denial at its most blatant.

Seriously, that's about as blatant as when a Muslim is arrested and certain Muslims say 'no, the media is lying, it's propaganda, no, it must be a conspiracy !!!11One'
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j4763
02-15-2007, 09:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by England
Propoganda at its best
For who?
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NobleMuslimUK
02-16-2007, 01:38 AM
He doesnt want to please God with his actions, but his idol whoever that may be. He was hoping to start a civil war. How did he figure that, and how did the ones figuring him out figure he was capable of causing a civil war. Is it just me or is the media playing tricks with our minds.
When Jack Straw raised the veil row, it clearly got out of hand, to balance it out we heard about the christian woman working for British Airways who refuses to remove her cross.
Now we get the recent arrests in Birmingham, and now this BNP member arrest to balance it all out. I think have said too much already.
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Cognescenti
02-16-2007, 01:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
He doesnt want to please God with his actions, but his idol whoever that may be. He was hoping to start a civil war. How did he figure that, and how did the ones figuring him out figure he was capable of causing a civil war. Is it just me or is the media playing tricks with our minds.
When Jack Straw raised the veil row, it clearly got out of hand, to balance it out we heard about the christian woman working for British Airways who refuses to remove her cross.
Now we get the recent arrests in Birmingham, and now this BNP member arrest to balance it all out. I think have said too much already.
You know, the funny thing is....I thought of positing exactly such a thing in this thread just to see if anybody would buy it. :okay:
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mahdisoldier19
02-16-2007, 04:02 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
No, that happens when they say they are planning stuff because they want to please Allah. This man does not do it to please his God, thus his religious background is not relevant.
So are you stating that fundamentalists or extremists do it to please Allah swt? Don't you know it was the followers of Christianity that started fundamentalism in the western world?

Since you have disrespected my Religion with that statement. What about the case of Timothy Mcveigh? And why does religion have to mentioned, so what if the man does it to please Allah swt, how come i don't find that in the newspapers but i find radical, fundamentalist and terrorist?
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Cognescenti
02-16-2007, 05:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19
So are you stating that fundamentalists or extremists do it to please Allah swt? Don't you know it was the followers of Christianity that started fundamentalism in the western world?

Since you have disrespected my Religion with that statement. What about the case of Timothy Mcveigh? And why does religion have to mentioned, so what if the man does it to please Allah swt, how come i don't find that in the newspapers but i find radical, fundamentalist and terrorist?
Your are right...its not fair. Here is a sanitized list

Timothy McVeigh..Oklahoma City


AMERICAN AIRLINES #77
BOEING 757



1) Khalid Almihdhar - Possible Saudi national

-Possible resident of San Diego, California, and New York

-Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar; Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf



2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national

-Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed



3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national

-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey; San Diego, California

-Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi



4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national

-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey



5) Hani Hanjour -

-Possible resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and San Diego, California

-Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour



AMERICAN AIRLINES #11
BOEING 767



1) Satam M.A. Al Suqami- Possible Saudi national

-Dates of birth used: June 28, 1976; Last known address: United Arab Emirates



2) Waleed M. Alshehri - Possible Saudi national

-Dates of birth used: September 13, 1974; January 1, 1976; March 3, 1976; July 8, 1977; December 20, 1978; May 11, 1979; November 5, 1979

-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Orlando, Florida; Daytona Beach, Florida

-Believed to be a pilot



3) Wail M. Alshehri

-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968

-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Newton, Massachusetts

-Believed to be a pilot



4) Mohamed Atta - Possible Egyptian national

-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968

-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Coral Springs, Florida; Hamburg, Germany

-Believed to be a pilot

-Alias: Mehan Atta; Mohammad El Amir; Muhammad Atta; Mohamed El Sayed; Mohamed Elsayed; Muhammad Muhammad Al Amir Awag Al Sayyid Atta; Muhammad Muhammad Al-Amir Awad Al Sayad



5) Abdulaziz Alomari - Possible Saudi national

-Dates of birth used: December 24, 1972 and May 28, 1979

-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida

-Believed to be a pilot




UNITED AIRLINES #175
BOEING 767



1) Marwan Al-Shehhi

-Date of birth used: May 9, 1978

-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida

-Believed to be a pilot

-Alias: Marwan Yusif Muhammad Rashid Al-Shehi; Marwan Yusif Muhammad Rashid Lakrab Al-Shihhi; Abu Abdullah



2) Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad

-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida

-Alias: Fayez Ahmad; Banihammad Fayez Abu Dhabi Banihammad; Fayez Rashid Ahmed; Banihammad Fayez; Rasid Ahmed Hassen Alqadi; Abu Dhabi Banihammad

Ahmed Fayez; Faez Ahmed



3) Ahmed Alghamdi



-Alias: Ahmed Salah Alghamdi



4) Hamza Alghamdi

-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida

-Alias: Hamza Al-Ghamdi; Hamza Ghamdi; Hamzah Alghamdi;

Hamza Alghamdi Saleh



5) Mohand Alshehri

-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida

-Alias: Mohammed Alshehhi; Mohamd Alshehri; Mohald Alshehri




UNITED AIRLINES #93
BOEING 757



1) Saeed Alghamdi

-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida

-Alias: Abdul Rahman Saed Alghamdi; Ali S Alghamdi; Al- Gamdi; Saad M.S. Al Ghamdi; Sadda Al Ghamdi; Saheed Al-Ghamdi; Seed Al Ghamdi



2) Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi - Possible Saudi national

-Date of birth used: October 11, 1980

-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida

-Alias: Ahmed Alhaznawi



3) Ahmed Alnami

-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida

-Alias: Ali Ahmed Alnami; Ahmed A. Al-Nami; Ahmed Al- Nawi



4) Ziad Samir Jarrah

-Believed to be a pilot

-Alias: Zaid Jarrahi; Zaid Samr Jarrah; Ziad S. Jarrah; Ziad Jarrah Jarrat, Ziad Samir Jarrahi



Happy now?
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Muezzin
02-16-2007, 02:36 PM
People, you do not want to hijack my thread. :)
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Keltoi
02-16-2007, 03:14 PM
This just shows that you can't take your eye of any potential threat. I'm slightly worried that the FBI will be putting so much effort in tracking Muslim terrorists that they will forget about the militia groups, like the group Timothy McVeigh buddied around with.
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KAding
02-16-2007, 06:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19
So are you stating that fundamentalists or extremists do it to please Allah swt?
Well, yes. Of course, many Muslims who commit terrorist acts no doubt believe that it was not only allowed by Allah, but that they would be rewarded for it by a place in paradise. Not all terrorist acts committed by Muslims were particularly religiously motivated, most of the actions of the PLO were not for example.

Don't you know it was the followers of Christianity that started fundamentalism in the western world?
Yes, I do know that. But how is that relevant here? The ex-BNP man was not a Christian fundamentalist.

Since you have disrespected my Religion with that statement.
:muddlehea imsad. It was not my intention to disrespect your religion with that statement. I apologize if I did. But it is a fact that some Muslims believe their religion allows certain acts such as those committed against public transport in Madrid or in London. I do not personally believe Islam condones any such thing, but then, I am not a scholar.

Besides, all this has very little to do with my comment. If some Muslims commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam (which they clearly are doing), then that should be noted in any news article discussing it. If an ex-BNP man stockpiles explosives without any religious motivation or mentioning of religion whatsoever, then his religion is not relevant.

What about the case of Timothy Mcveigh?
What about him? He was an anti-government extremist and terrorist. His religion was not his stated motivation and he never mentioned it. In fact, the only religious statement he did make, was say that he was an agnostic.

And why does religion have to mentioned, so what if the man does it to please Allah swt, how come i don't find that in the newspapers but i find radical, fundamentalist and terrorist?
Well, if someone were to use religion as a motivation for a terrorist attack, than that someone would be a religious radical/extremist and a terrorist. Just like McVeigh was an anti-government extremist and terrorist. The unabomber was an anti-technology extremist and terrorist. I don't like to word 'fundamentalist' too much, since fundamentalist and orthodox should really be synonymous if you ask me. Nowadays fundamentalist has unfortunately become a synonym of extremist.
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Muezzin
02-16-2007, 09:03 PM
Rightio. Can we get back to the topic now please? Ta. :)
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InToTheRain
02-21-2007, 09:40 AM
Any clues as to what he intended to do with those explosives?
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Muezzin
02-21-2007, 02:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah
Any clues as to what he intended to do with those explosives?
According to the article: 'Cottage allegedly told friends he would like to shoot Mr Blair and local Liberal Democrat peer Lord Greaves.'

Assassination?

Alternatively, maybe he was thoroughly unsatisfied with the fireworks display last November? :p
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