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Talha777
03-04-2007, 08:26 PM
Bismillahi ar-Rahmani ar-Rahim

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Christians often claim that their faith healing ministries have their foundation in the so called "Great Commission", where after his alleged resurrection, Jesus Christ (alaihi salam) commissioned his disciples to heal the sick in "his name". However, verses constituting the "Great Commission" do not appear in the earliest manuscripts. For example, the relevant part of Mark 16 is not found in the earliest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament (Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus).

On the other hand, there are numerous foundations and justifications of faith healing found in Islam:

Uthman b. Abu al-'As Al-Thaqafi reported that he nade a complaint of pain to Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) that he felt in his body at the time he had become Muslim. Thereupon Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: Place your hand at the place where you feel pain in your body and say Bismillah (in the name of Allaah) three times and seven times A'udhu billahi wa qudratihi min sharri ma ajidu wa ukhdhiru (I seek refuge with Allaah and with His Power from the evil that I find and that I fear). (Sahih Muslim; Kitab-us-Salam)

Abu Sa'id Khudri reported that some persons amongst the Companions of Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) set out on a journey and they happened to pass by a tribe from the tribes of Arabia. They demanded hospitality from the members of that tribe, but they did not extend any hospitality to them. They said to them: Is there any incantator amongst you, at the chief of the tribe has bgen stung by a scorpion? A person amongst us said: 'Yes. So he came to him and he practised incan- tation with the help of Sura al-Fatiha and the person became all right. He was given a flock of sheep (as recompense), but he refused to accept that, saying: I shall make a mention of it to Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), and if he approves of it. then I shall accept it. So we came to Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and made a mention of that to him and he (that person) said: Allaah's Messenger by Allaah, I did not practice incantation but with the help of Sura al-Fatiha of the Holy Book. He (the Prophet) smiled and said: How did you come to know that it can be used (as incactation)? - and then said: Take out of that and allocate a share for me along with your share. (Sahih Muslim; Kitab-us-Salam)

The Prophet used to treat some of his wives by passing his right hand over the place of ailment and used to say, "O Allah, the Lord of the people! Remove the trouble and heal the patient, for You are the healer. No healing is of any avail but Yours; healing that will leave behind no ailment." (Sahih al-Bukhari; Kitab-ut-Tiba)

There are numerous other examples, but these three ahadith should suffice to show the legitimacy of faith healing in Islam, in particular, Surah al-Fatiha, which is incidently also known as Surah ash-Shifa (the cure), is the mother of the Quran and is therefore also a means of faith healing when it is invoked.

Jazak Allah khair
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Sinner
03-04-2007, 08:55 PM
I am just wondering, can you give any examples of people, in this day and age, cured by their faith in Islam?

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/Onl...d_of_AIDS.aspx
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Umar001
03-04-2007, 09:34 PM
Healing is something which if I am not mistaken Islam teaches can happen at the hands of others i.e. not just believers and so does Christianity.

I don't see the point of this thread but for it to arupt into a brawl.
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Sinner
03-04-2007, 11:17 PM
I don't see the point of this thread but for it to arupt into a brawl
I do not engage in brawls, they are not productive or necessary. I would like to mention that faith healing today are not the norm, contrary to what some Christian faith healers may teach. When they do happen, they are often used by God to start a spiritual restoration in a community much in need of one.
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Umar001
03-04-2007, 11:23 PM
We try not to have brawls here, as you said they are not productive or necessary.

In the light of Islam and Christiainty I think the reason spiritual healing is heard more and associated more with Christianity is because Christianity speaks about it more, or maybe not more but that it is commonly associated as a fundamental for believers.
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Sinner
03-04-2007, 11:37 PM
commonly associated as a fundamental for believers.
Not all fundamental Christians believe the miraculous gift of healing as the Apostles had are in operation today. Only a minority of Christians have this belief. Miraculous healing do occur, but they are a rarity.
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Trumble
03-05-2007, 06:51 PM
The Dalai Lama had a few things to say about 'faith healing'. After commenting to the effect that anyone who thought he (the Dalai Lama) had any gifts in that direction was likely to be sorely disappointed, he said that if he ever actually met a real faith healer he would see them about his skin problems. Needless to say, he never has.

Actually 'faith' healing is an accurate description. It's all about a positive mental attitude. The important thing is not whether someone has any actual power to heal, be it divine gift or channelling or otherwise, but whether the subject believes they have it. If they do believe it, it might just be enough to make a difference... but the work is done themselves, not by the 'healer' and not by God.
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NoName55
03-05-2007, 07:03 PM
:sl:
A rarity indeed!

I Don't see any point in this thread either.

for one thing any chalatan can set up shop as a faith healer. If you say any
thing against them they thump you with Bible or Quraan (depending on their
professed faith). They tell you how Moses did miracles, Jesus healed the lepers.

And I say to them, you aint either of those Prophets (Peace be upon them all).

:w:
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root
03-05-2007, 08:47 PM
Sounds more like a pending football game to me.
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Umar001
03-05-2007, 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by Sinner
Not all fundamental Christians believe the miraculous gift of healing as the Apostles had are in operation today. Only a minority of Christians have this belief. Miraculous healing do occur, but they are a rarity.
What I was refering to was that not fundamental Christians as such, but the fact that in Christianity it is a fundamental belief that real worshippers of Jesus should be or are able to heal. I wonder why it is only a minority today since the Bible is explicit about this ability being present in believers.
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thirdwatch512
03-05-2007, 11:11 PM
as i flip through my NT, i see prolly 50 stories of jesus healing someone or a group of people. blind men, disabled, deaf, all kinds!

but what's more amazing is the faith healings that happen to this day, or have happened after jesus. take for example in mexico, there is this one girl.. she recieves apparations of the virgin mary and jesus all the time. to prove it she can read or write or speak ANY language. she has been tested by people before!

in egypt there is this church, and at that church, the virgin mary appears. thousands of people have seen it. one day, 500 people saw it, and they all converted to christinaity that same night! after the virgin mary had left, they all got baptized. :)

in belarus, there is this girl who recieves messages from the virgin mary. every night on this hilltop in thast city you can see a ghost of the virgin mary.

in sudan, there was an imam with a daughter who couldn't walk because her legs were parylized. well, they were walking by an outdoor christian service, and music was being played. the girl dropped her crutches and began to walk. the man moved to toronto a few years ago and is now an ultra devout christian.

these are stories that can all be verified, that happen to this day, and that have been seen by thousands. in 1917, so way back lol but still, there were these three kids who recieved apparations. no one believed them. they were threatened to be killed for it. so one day they told everyone to wait outside and the virgin mary would show them a sign. so over 70,000 people attended (and this is in rural portugal, so basically everyone attended.) they had waited for an hour, and everything was wet. they were drenched in water. then, by the grace of god, everything all of a sudden dried up. and the sun started dancing, and it could be seen from up to 70 miles. this was the virgin mary showing these ppl that the kids weren't lying. there was a blind man.. he could then see. there was a man on crtuches.. he didn't need them anymore. there was a man with a broken arm.. healed. the first newspaper to report this was a communist newspaper too btw. this is what really brought back christianity to portugal, since it had always been more secular then anything. there are pictures to verify this too, as well as very short clips.

but this isnt' a competition. you believe in the miracles you wish to, and i will believe in the ones i wish to!
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Umar001
03-05-2007, 11:26 PM
I think that is most amazing, how could an imam be so silly. SubhanAllah!!

As for faith healing, I'd love to know why there are still millions suffering from aids, that goes out to both muslims and christians.

Go and heal the millions in africa :) if you cant then I rather not believe in you. But than again others will always believe what they want to and use nething even illogical to justify it.
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ABDUL HAQ
03-05-2007, 11:31 PM
faith healing ..is exactly that

faith in healing

any one believing strongly(placebo or otherwise)

will feel better or get better by the will of allah

allah will heal ,but how people percieve it and the cause...will differ

to avoid argument it is not a religion thing
but a faith thing:)
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NoName55
03-05-2007, 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by Al Habeshi
I think that is most amazing, how could an imam be so silly. SubhanAllah!!

As for faith healing, I'd love to know why there are still millions suffering from aids, that goes out to both muslims and christians.

Go and heal the millions in africa :) if you cant then I rather not believe in you. But than again others will always believe what they want to and use nething even illogical to justify it.
:sl:
Thank you

I, myself, was dumbstruck, I did not have the words to reply to the outrageous claims.

:w:
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cihad
03-08-2007, 03:03 PM
i hate it when they have those 'shows' where people are magically 'healed' with faith
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Malaikah
03-09-2007, 12:09 PM
thirdwatch512,

What is this? Why are they all involving the Virgin Mary? She is just a human like the rest of us, she has no power of her own.

this was the virgin mary showing these ppl that the kids weren't lying.
How can she show them anything when she is in her grave?:rollseyes
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thirdwatch512
03-11-2007, 05:51 AM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
thirdwatch512,

What is this? Why are they all involving the Virgin Mary? She is just a human like the rest of us, she has no power of her own.



How can she show them anything when she is in her grave?:rollseyes
the virgin mary was actually a very important person in christianity.. VERY. there's a story in i think mark chapter 6, it might be 2.. idk but it's somewhere in mark, and it just really puts her in the spotlight lol, and it shows how important she was.

in my opinion, she is in heaven right now.

the virgin mary, in most apparations, just simply tells the people to spread the emssage of christianity.. she's saddened by the unbelievers. she's sort of like a messenger of Jesus (who we believe is god.) well not really a messenger, more of just a person who blesses others in a way lol.

not all apparations are of the virgin mary though.. many, many are from jesus.
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Natural
03-16-2007, 01:49 AM
If you really think ab out it, what religion does not teach anything about healing power through faith and supplication?:muslimah:
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north_malaysian
03-16-2007, 04:02 AM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
How can she show them anything when she is in her grave?:rollseyes
A ghost? :omg:
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Eric H
03-16-2007, 08:45 AM
Greetings and peace be with you Trumble;

Actually 'faith' healing is an accurate description. It's all about a positive mental attitude. The important thing is not whether someone has any actual power to heal, be it divine gift or channelling or otherwise, but whether the subject believes they have it. If they do believe it, it might just be enough to make a difference... but the work is done themselves, not by the 'healer' and not by God
I can’t remember were our Brother Woodrow posted his story of how his legs where smashed in an accident, and the process of healing that followed after. If you could hear his explanation I believe that he was not healed by another person or through his own positive outlook. Rather I believe that God rewarded him through his faith.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric
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Snowflake
03-16-2007, 09:26 AM
Originally Posted by Eric H
Rather I believe that God rewarded him through his faith.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric
I'm inclined to agree. There's a saying amongst muslim faith healers that, 'faith/belief is bigger than the healer'. I remember when I newly began practicing faith healing. I was somewhat sceptical about it. Yet the people I treated had more faith in the healing than I did myself. I can only think it's because they believed Allah's words/praise used in the healing would help them. And He did. All praise is to Allah.
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Eric H
03-18-2007, 08:09 AM
Greetings and peace be with you Muslimah_Sis; and thank you for your reply,

Faith in god requires that we should obey him and not sin, we should also have absolute faith in a loving and merciful God who can heal.
Sadly this is so difficult to strive towards; here is a short passage bout the disciples after they failed to heal a boy.

Mathew 17
17"O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me." 18Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.

19Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, "Why couldn't we drive it out?"
20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Very few people can achieve that real faith in the healing power of God; yet I believe that it is open to any of us.

In the spirit of striving for a greater faith

Eric
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