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Khayal
03-26-2007, 12:50 AM
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Who Made Us?

Part 1 of 3.





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At some point in our lives, everybody asks the big questions: “Who made us,” and “Why are we here?”
So who did make us? Atheists speak of the Big Bang and evolution, whereas all others speak of God. Those who answer “I don’t know” are atheist for all intents and purposes, not because they deny God’s existence, but because they fail to affirm it.

Now, the Big Bang may explain the origin of the universe, but it doesn’t explain the origin of the primordial dust cloud. This dust cloud (which, according to the theory, drew together, compacted and then exploded) had to come from somewhere. After all, it contained enough matter to form not just our galaxy, but the billion other galaxies in the known universe. So where did that come from? Who, or what, created the primordial dust cloud?

Similarly, evolution may explain the fossil record, but it falls far short of explaining the quintessential essence of human life—the soul. We all have one. We feel its presence, we speak of its existence and at times pray for its salvation. But only the religious can explain where it came from. The theory of natural selection can explain many of the material aspects of living things, but it fails to explain the human soul.
Furthermore, anyone who studies the complexities of life and the universe cannot help but witness the signature of the Creator.[1] Whether or not people recognize these signs is another matter—as the old saying goes, denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. (Get it? Denial, spelled “de Nile” … the river Ni … oh, never mind.) The point is that if we see a painting, we know there is a painter. If we see a sculpture, we know there’s a sculptor; a pot, a potter. So when we view creation, shouldn’t we know there’s a Creator?
The concept that the universe exploded and then developed in balanced perfection through random events and natural selection is little different from the proposal that, by dropping bombs into a junkyard, sooner or later one of them will blow everything together into a perfect Mercedes. In the color and trim of our hearts’ desire, no less.
If there is one thing we know for certain, it is that without a controlling influence, all systems degenerate into chaos. The theories of the Big Bang and evolution propose the exact opposite, however—that chaos fostered perfection. Would it not be more reasonable to conclude that the Big Bang and evolution were controlled events? Controlled, that is, by the Creator?
The Arabs tell the tale of a nomad finding an exquisite palace at an oasis in the middle of an otherwise barren desert. When he asks how it was built, the owner tells him it was formed by the forces of nature. The wind shaped the rocks and blew them to the edge of this oasis, and then tumbled them together into the shape of the palace. Then it blew strands of sheep’s wool together into rugs and tapestries, stray wood together into furniture, doors, windowsills and trim, and positioned them in the palace at just the right locations. Lightning strikes melted sand into sheets of glass and blasted them into the window-frames, and smelted black sand into steel and shaped it into the fence and gate with perfect alignment and symmetry. The process took billions of years and only happened at this one place on earth—purely through coincidence.
When we finish rolling our eyes, we get the point. Obviously, the palace was built by design, not by happenstance. To what (or more to the point, to Whom), then, should we attribute the origin of items of infinitely greater complexity, such as our universe and our lives?
Another classic argument for atheism focuses upon what people perceive to be the imperfections of creation. These are the “How can there be a God if such-and-such happened?” arguments. The issue under discussion could be anything from a natural disaster to birth defects, from genocide to grandmother’s cancer. That’s not the point. The point is that denying God based upon what we perceive to be injustices of life presumes that a divine being would not have designed our lives to be anything other than perfect, and would have established justice on Earth.
Hmm … is there no other option?
We can just as easily propose that God did not design life on Earth to be paradise, but rather a test, the punishment or rewards of which are to be had in the next life, which is where God establishes his ultimate justice. In support of this concept we can well ask who suffered more injustices in their worldly lives than God’s favorites, which is to say the prophets? And who do we expect to occupy the highest stations in paradise, if not those who maintain true faith in the face of worldly adversity?
I would hope that, by this line of reasoning, we can agree upon the answer to the first “big question.” Who made us? Can we agree that if we are creation, God is the Creator?
If we can’t agree on this point, there probably isn’t much point in continuing. However, for those who do agree, let’s move on to “big question” number two—why are we here? What, in other words, is the purpose of life?

Copyright © 2007 Laurence B. Brown.
About the Author:
Laurence B. Brown, MD, can be contacted at BrownL38@yahoo.com. He is the author of The First and Final Commandment (Amana Publications) and Bearing True Witness (Dar-us-Salam). Forthcoming books are a historical thriller, The Eighth Scroll, and a second edition of The First and Final Commandment, rewritten and divided into MisGod’ed and its sequel, God’ed.




Footnotes: [1] To this end, and leaving all of the author’s religious inclinations aside, I heartily recommend reading A Short History of Nearly Everything, by Bill Bryson.








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Samira_01
03-26-2007, 05:12 PM
Mashalah .. :) ..*luv it*
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Khayal
03-26-2007, 06:07 PM
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The Purpose of Life
Part 2 Of 3



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The first of the two big questions in life is, “Who made us?” We addressed that question in the previous article and (hopefully) settled upon “God” as the answer. As we are creation, God is the Creator.

Now, let us turn to the second “big question,” which is, “Why are we here?”
Well, why are we here? To amass fame and fortune? To make music and babies? To be the richest man or woman in the graveyard for, as we are jokingly told, “He who dies with the most toys wins?”





No, there must be more to life than that, so let’s think about this. To begin with, look around you. Unless you live in a cave, you are surrounded by things we humans have made with our own hands. Now, why did we make those things? The answer, of course, is that we make things to perform some specific function for us. In short, we make things to serve us. So, by extension, why did God make us, if not to serve Him?
Our purpose, then, is to serve God. We receive this message from the prophets, as well as from scripture, but nowhere more clearly than in the Quran, the holy book of Islam:
“And I [God] did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me”
(Quran 51:56)
Which brings us to the next point. If we acknowledge our Creator, and that He created humankind to serve Him, the next question is, “How? How do we serve Him?” No doubt, this question is best answered by the One who made us. If He created us to serve Him, then He expects us to function in a particular manner, if we are to achieve our purpose. But how can we know what that manner is? How can we know what God expects from us?
Well, consider this: God gave us light, by which we can find our way. Even at night, we have the moon for light and the stars for navigation. God gave other animals guidance systems best suited for their conditions and needs. Migrating birds can navigate, even on overcast days, by light polarization. Whales migrate by “reading” the Earth’s magnetic fields. Salmon return from the open ocean to spawn at the exact spot of their birth by smell, if that can be imagined. Fish sense distant movements through pressure receptors that line their bodies. Bats and the blind river dolphins “see” by sonar. Certain marine organisms (the electric eel being a high-voltage example) generate and sense magnetic fields, allowing them to “see” in muddy waters, or in the blackness of ocean depths. Insects communicate by pheromones, the trail of which guides them to food, and then home again. Plants sense sunlight and grow towards it (phototropism); their roots sense gravity and grow into the earth (geotropism). In short, God has gifted every element of His creation with guidance. Can we seriously believe he would not give us guidance on the one most important aspect of our existence, namely our raison d’etre—our reason for being? That he would not give us the tools by which to achieve salvation?
Of course not. Hence, revelation.
Think of it this way: Every product has specifications and rules. For more complex products, whose specifications and rules are not intuitive, owner’s manuals are provided. These manuals are written by the one who knows the product best, which is to say the manufacturer. A typical owner’s manual begins with warnings about improper use and the hazardous consequences thereof, moves on to a description of how to use the product properly and the benefits to be gained thereby, and provides product specifications and a troubleshooting guide whereby we can correct product malfunctions.
How is that different from revelation?
Revelation tells us what to do, what not to do and why, tells us what God expects of us, and shows us how to correct our deficiencies. Revelation is the ultimate user’s manual, provided as guidance to the one who will use us—ourselves.
In the world we know, products that meet or exceed specifications are considered successes whereas those that don’t are … hmm … let’s think about this. Any product that fails to meet factory specifications is either repaired or, if hopeless, recycled. In other words, destroyed. Ouch. Suddenly this discussion turns scary-serious. Because in this discussion, we are the product—the product of creation.
But let’s pause for a moment and consider how we interact with the various items that fill our lives. As long as they do what we want, we’re happy with them. But when they fail us, we get rid of them. Some are returned to the store, some donated to charity, but eventually they all end up in the garbage, which gets … buried or burned. Similarly, an underperforming employee gets … fired. Now, stop for a minute and think about that word. Where did that euphemism for the punishment due to an underperformer come from? Hmm … the person who believes the lessons of this life translate into lessons about religion could have a field day with this.
But that doesn’t mean these analogies are invalid. Just the opposite, we should remember that both Old and New Testaments are filled with analogies, and Jesus Christ taught using parables.
So perhaps we had better take this seriously.
No, I stand corrected. Most definitely we should take this seriously. Nobody ever considered the difference between heavenly delights and the tortures of hellfire a laughing matter.


Copyright © 2007 Laurence B. Brown.

About the Author:
The author can be contacted at BrownL38@yahoo.com. He is the author of The First and Final Commandment (Amana Publications) and Bearing True Witness (Dar-us-Salam). Forthcoming books are a historical thriller, The Eighth Scroll, and a second edition of The First and Final Commandment, rewritten and divided into MisGod’ed and its sequel, God’ed.




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Khayal
03-27-2007, 05:04 AM
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The Need for Revelation
Part 3 of 3






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In the previous two parts of this series, we answered the two “big questions.” Who made us? God. Why are we here? To serve and worship Him. A third question naturally arose: “If our Creator made us to serve and worship Him, how do we do that?” In the previous article I suggested that the only way we can serve our Creator is through obeying His mandates, as conveyed through revelation.
But many people would question my assertion: Why does mankind need revelation? Isn’t it enough just to be good? Isn’t it enough for each of us to worship God in our own way?
Regarding the need for revelation, I would make the following points: In the first article of this series I pointed out that life is full of injustices, but our Creator is fair and just, and He establishes justice not in this life, but in the afterlife. However, justice cannot be established without four things—a court (i.e., the Day of Judgment); a judge (i.e., the Creator); witnesses (i.e., men and women, angels, elements of creation); and a book of laws upon which to judge (i.e., revelation). Now, how can our Creator establish justice if He did not hold humankind to certain laws during their lives? It’s not possible. In that scenario, instead of justice, God would be dealing out injustice, for He would be punishing people for transgressions they had no way of knowing were crimes.
Why else do we need revelation? To begin with, without guidance mankind cannot even agree on social and economic issues, politics, laws, etc. So how can we ever agree on God? Secondly, nobody writes the user manual better than the one who made the product. God is the Creator, we are creation, and nobody knows the overall scheme of creation better than the Creator. Are employees allowed to design their own job descriptions, duties and compensation packages as they see fit? Are all citizens allowed to write their own laws? No? Well then, why should we be allowed to write our own religions? If history has taught us anything, it is the tragedies that result when mankind follows its caprice. How many who have claimed to banner of free thought have designed religions that committed themselves and their followers to nightmares on Earth and damnation in the hereafter?
So why isn’t it enough just to be good? And why isn’t it enough for each of us to worship God in our own way? To begin with, peoples’ definitions of “good” differ. For some it is high morals and clean living, for others it is madness and mayhem. Similarly, concepts of how to serve and worship our Creator differ as well. More importantly and to the point, nobody can walk into a store or a restaurant and pay with a different currency than the merchant accepts. So it is with religion. If people want God to accept their servitude and worship, they have to pay in the currency God demands. And that currency is obedience to His revelation.
Imagine raising children in a home in which you have set “house rules.” Then, one day, one of your children tells you he or she has changed the rules, and is going to do things differently. How would you respond? More than likely, with the words, “You can take your new rules and go to Hell!” Well, think about it. We are God’s creation, living in His universe under His rules, and “go to Hell” is very likely what God will say to any who presume to override His laws with their own.
Sincerity becomes an issue at this point. We should recognize that all pleasure is a gift from our Creator, and deserving of thanks. If given a gift, who uses the gift before giving thanks? And yet, many of us enjoy God’s gifts for a lifetime and never give thanks. Or give it late. The English poet, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, spoke of the irony of the distressed human appeal in The Cry of the Human:
And lips say “God be pitiful,”
Who ne’er said, “God be praised.”
Should we not show good manners and thank our Creator for His gifts now, and subsequently for the rest of our lives? Don’t we owe that to Him?
You answered “Yes.” You must have. Nobody will have read this far without being in agreement, but here’s the problem: Many of you answered Yes, knowing full well that your heart is not in the Bible. Or perhaps it is in the Bible, but not entirely. You agree we were created by a Creator. You struggle to understand Him. And you yearn to serve and worship Him in the manner He prescribes. But you don’t know how, and you don’t know where to look for the answers. And that, unfortunately, is not a subject that can be answered in an article. Unfortunately, that issue has to be addressed in a book.
On the other hand, the good news is that I have written this book, and its title is The First and Final Commandment (soon to be republished under the title, MisGod’ed). So if you like what you’ve read here, I invite you to read what I’ve written there.


Copyright © 2007 Laurence B. Brown.

About the Author:
The author can be contacted at BrownL38@yahoo.com. He is the author of The First and Final Commandment (Amana Publications) and Bearing True Witness (Dar-us-Salam). Forthcoming books are a historical thriller, The Eighth Scroll, and a second edition of The First and Final Commandment, rewritten and divided into MisGod’ed and its sequel, God’ed.



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borboski
04-01-2007, 04:46 PM
There are a few problems with part one:

1. It isn't just athiests feel that the 'big bang' or evolution happened. Both are simply incontestable and as a result most mainstream faiths have conceded the point and moved on. It really is a case of putting your hands over your ears and going "La la la la!"! More recently the Catholic Church has accepted this. I am sure that educated Muslims tend to accept it, because as the writer of the article suggests, it doesn't diminish the argument for a transcendental god which made it all happen (it does reduce it though, because you no longer need god for this explanation. Occam's Razor and all that!).

2. We don't all feel that we have "a human soul". Locating consciousness is an extremely difficult philosophical question, but materially we can demonstrate and locate those parts of the brain that work to give us our imagination, and our memory. Could you explain what is meant by the soul, as opposed to brain tissue?

3. Claiming that the earth is far too complex to have randomly emerged - that's just a very poor old canard. I mean, thinking about this logically... one MUST accept that this is a possibility. Why? Because the earth does exist! And therefore even if the chances were miniscule, there would only need to happen once for me to be here, typing away. That's the same reason why an atheist can't deny the possibility of the existence of god. But to stand at the end of a random process, and claim it's implausibility due to it being too much of a random process...? That's like winning the lottery and claiming that the result must have been a fix! Anyway, this is looking at evolution the wrong way round. It isn't random, nor is it 'creating perfection'.

That "all complex systems degenerate into chaos" - as it stands that sentence is nonsense. And in fact, it's a condradiction for someone of faith to make, because surely you think that god is omniscient and omnipresent anyway. Therefore, if you could cite a complex system that DID degenerate into chaos, it would surely cause you some reflection...? By that I mean, if I say "what about my body, that's complex? Or the eco-system?" you could no-doubt respond "ahhh god made that".

4. I'm pretty sure that the reason most athiests don't believe in god, isn't because "because bad things happen". This is confused - someone could well conclude there IS a god, but then decide not to follow him, given the utter cruelty and suffering we see in the world.

One moral problem I struggle with is the existence of hell. If there is such a thing, and there is such suffering... well, I feel I have to go there. I don't think I could bear to leave people/'souls' to that fate. It's too cruel for me. I hate the idea of a big party upstairs, it's as though one had Auschwitz at the end of the road. But that hasn't really got anything to do with 'atheism', has it?

I would love to hear some responses to these points, and hope no-one feels I'm being too prickly.

I've not read Part Two, but the first paragraph includes some very sloppy logic. If you conclude a) there is a creator, and b) we exist, and c) we have made some things... in no way does it follow that therefore we must have been made to serve whoever made us... There are lots of things WE make which do not have a specific purpose! And even those things we do make, these do not worship us, or are duty bound to us in any way... This is simply poor logic, and uses the word "serve" ambigously.

Hope that makes sense, any replies much appreciated! What do you think?
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Khan-Ghalgha
04-02-2007, 04:55 AM
Take a look at your self-phone, we know it's created by human beings, but what if I told you that it's not? I say it came into being by a pure, amazing coincidence, would you believe me? Now compare it to the most simple cell, simple cell is far more complicated than anything humans produced so far, in this case you do believe it came into being by coincidence, just some food for thought.
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borboski
04-02-2007, 09:16 AM
People often seem to mention a cell-phone, as being something that's very complex. However, it's a very poor example.

Creatures that are alive contain DNA. When two creatures reproduce, the DNA of one parent combines with that of another, and the child recieves a selection of the genes of each (not always, a few creatures don't 'mate' in that sense). But all creatures that are alive reproduce DNA. This is how evolution works. If you have a son or daughter you can see this as he/she might have your hair colour, or your wife's or eye colour, or so on. Now, you have to remember that this has been going on for 4.5 BILLION years. It's hard to imagine how long a period of time that is... but it's definately a very long period of time! If you think most people reproduce within, say 40 years, that would mean 112,500,000 different generations (obviously humans have been around that long).

Now, mobile phones don't reproduce - because they aren't alive. You could leave a bit of plastic, and a battery, and an LCD screen on a rock for 4.5 billion years, and they would never combine to produce a mobile phone. I would certainly agree that if they did it would be a great coincidence!

I hope I've explained that well enough - to compare the mobile phone example with how cells evolve is like comparing apples and pears.

But what is a 'miracle' is if you left some ammonia, water, hydrogen, and an energy source you MIGHT see some amino acids created (which create proteins). And that really is amazing! I'm sure, if you wanted, you could read 'god' into that!

But 'coincidence' would be the wrong word for this. If it's true that ammonia, water, hydrogen, etc with an energy source create proteins then there's nothing coincidental about it happening. That would be like saying "what an amazing coincidence that hydrogen mixed with air is explosive!". Hydrogen mixed with air IS explosive! It just is!

Hope that's useful. You need to be very suspicious of people who argue with quasi-scientific statements. There shouldn't be any need to, because there are some things we simply can't explain... so why would someone misrepresent things we can explain? Like I say, be very suspicious of anyone making arguments like this.
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Woodrow
04-02-2007, 09:24 AM
I just noticed that unwittingly I allowed this thread to develope into a debate rather than being simple information on Islamic concepts.

Reading it, it is a very valid debate. Also it would serve no purpose nor be fair to delete the posts that have raised valid questions so my solution is to move this over to Comparative Religions.
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Khan-Ghalgha
04-03-2007, 02:28 AM
But what is a 'miracle' is if you left some ammonia, water, hydrogen, and an energy source you MIGHT see some amino acids created (which create proteins). And that really is amazing! I'm sure, if you wanted, you could read 'god' into that!
I think you refer to this: "....Researchers have produced amino acid polymers by dripping solutions of amino acids onto hot sand, clay, rock. The polymers formed spontaneously , without the help of enzymes or ribosomes. But unlike proteins, these polymers are a complex mix of linked and cross-linked amino acids, and each polymer is different..."
Biology. Campbell, Reece.

Forming of random polymers is no proof that life on earth could arise as a result of a random chemical reaction, scientists can only speculate about it, and prevalent idea atm as fantastic as it may sound is that we have originated from outer space.
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Khan-Ghalgha
04-03-2007, 02:33 AM
Now, mobile phones don't reproduce - because they aren't alive. You could leave a bit of plastic, and a battery, and an LCD screen on a rock for 4.5 billion years, and they would never combine to produce a mobile phone. I would certainly agree that if they did it would be a great coincidence!
Makes it even more of an amazing coincidence for a non-living matter to become a living matter and moreover be able to reproduce itself and evolve into more complex beings, mobile phones forming out of the junk by a coincidence seems more likely to me than a non-living matter forming a living cell by a coincidence.
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barney
04-03-2007, 02:48 AM
Originally Posted by borboski
There are a few problems with part one:

1. It isn't just athiests feel that the 'big bang'
2. We don't all feel that we have "a human soul".
3. Claiming that the earth is far too complex to
4. I'm pretty sure that the reason most athiests don't believe in god, isn't because "because bad things happen".

One moral problem I struggle with is the existence of hell.
1: I'm a beleiver that there is something, some entity that created the universe. i'll call it God. i dunno what it is, Where it came from, who created it, weather it just started the ball rolling a zillion years ago and went off thinking "jobs a good un" or if it hung around and tried to communicate with us before abandoning us to make something else, or if it's still about and pops in now and then to check how things are. i dont know ,You dont know and Nobody knows. the religios have faith. but faith isnt knowlage. It's beleif.

2: The soul. theres something that makes us up. not just our psychology, not our personalitys, theres something bigger. I think we all feel it to some extent. is that a soul? Hey Dunno! Nobody does! Is it going to carry on in some other plane of existance. Ditto! i beleive ( have faith in my agnosticism) that when im pushing up the daisys, i'm gone and i'm gone for good. but i cant prove it more than a Catholic can Prove limbo. (they kind of abandoned that idea last year!)(said it was theoretics..Sheesh! Really?):D

3) i go with the creator idea not because things are too complex. if you give a googleplex of monkeys a crate of hammers and a tree...then in infinate time they will carve out a perfect statue of Posh spice in a Hula skirt. but where did the hammers come from! umm..

4) bad things happening cause Monothists to beleive there IS a creator! The Tribe of Israel slaughtering it's way to the promised land of Caanan lost a few battles. their scriptures say that they had broken their covenant with God and so they were punished. Nahh, they just lost a battle. I've read so many Muslim Clerics saying in years past how badly the West were going to get kicked because God was with the Muhdajeen, and afterwards when the battle is lost, It's because the ummah has broken it's covenant. The Taliban for example beleive this to this day.

As for Hell, I dunno! might be a place like that, but since my beleif (faith) is that scriptures are written by men, i think Hell was pretty much written up by men too. (works nicely though as a social coercive limiter...anyroad, as a Atheist, your not actually supposed to beleive in Hell at all. im agnostic and I have quite a devout faith in it not existing.)
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Khan-Ghalgha
04-03-2007, 03:15 AM
about the proteins:
Proteins are highly complex molecules that constitute the building blocks of the living cell and also perform various functions within it. The chance of a protein forming itself by accident is 1 in 10950. (In practical terms, this probability is zero.) To claim that millions of living species came into being by chance, when not even a single protein can actually do so, is utter materialist-evolutionist fantasy.
Harun Yahya.
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barney
04-03-2007, 03:40 AM
Originally Posted by Khan-Ghalgha
about the proteins:

Harun Yahya.
The Chance of me winning the lottery is 1:1,445,700.

But somebody wins it each week. Dude;Thats a terrible statistic to quote if your pro-creationist.
Also the theory of evolution is based on a non-liniar take off of species. There was one original amphibian type which evolves into another, those two evolve into seperate ones and so on. Within 4 evolutions you have a possible 65,536 species of amphibians.
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Pygoscelis
04-03-2007, 03:51 AM
Well I'm not sure about you, but I know exactly who made me. I call them mom and dad. :D
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barney
04-03-2007, 03:52 AM
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
Well I'm not sure about you, but I know exactly who made me. I call them mom and dad. :D
But who made them? Grandma & Grandad? :D
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Pygoscelis
04-03-2007, 03:58 AM
Originally Posted by barney
But who made them? Grandma & Grandad? :D
Now you're catchng on! :D
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Trumble
04-03-2007, 06:18 AM
Originally Posted by Khan-Ghalgha
Harun Yahya.
I'm afraid Harun Yahya is credible source on nothing when it comes to science or religions other than Islam. He has too much of an agenda and distorts (and that's being kind) anything that suits him to suit it.

Quite simply the statement "In practical terms, this probability is zero" in this context is rubbish. It was remote, possibly, but in mathematical terms there is a whole (infinite) universe between 'remote' and 'zero'.

No real desire to go around the block here again, though, this has been discussed so many times. It always ends up in the same place (according to the same logic who/what created God?) and the same silence.
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