Are the Prophets sinless according to Ibn Taymiyyah and Imam AbdulWahab?

[Abu Ibraheem]

Are Prophets Ma'zoom? i.e, sinless, they are protected from sin:

It has been suggested that Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab implied that the Messenger of Allah was led astray by Shaitan in the work Mukhtasir Sirat ir-Rasul, pp. 23-25 by the said author. Furthermore, it has been claimed that Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhabs son wrote or commented on a book under the same title, too implying that the Messenger of Allah was led astray by Shaytaan. - pp. 81-84. It has also been said by the accuser that this understanding was derived from Imam Ibn Taymiyah's Majmu`a Fataawa, V. 4, p. 319-20 as well as V. 10, p. 296.

It is my creed that the Prophets are sinless. In agreement with what has been said by Imam Abu Hanifah in his Fiqh ul Akbar, Imams Nawawi in his Sharh ul Muslim, V. 3, pp. 53-55 and Qadi Iyad Ibn Musa in his classical work Ash-Shifaa. I am interested in seeing the said works in Salafi publications and anything that fairly confirms or refutes these suggestions.

Please read my signature to know that i am not bigoted in my approach. I only try to be fair and just. I tend to find i always get to the truth by using just methods. I can not condemn or defend without evidence, therefore please do not delete this post. Anybody that even trys to say a bad word about Ibn Taymiyah, Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab in this thread i have created might aswell be spat on by myself. Please understand, i have no reason to fight, but i have every reason to know whats right and whats wrong. Infact i would like it if people from the Salafiyah answered to this thread only, unless you have the books on your shelve in Arabic and that you will be happy for me to come and persoanlly meet you and take photocopies.

wasalams

['Abd al-Baari]

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My knowledge is very little but as far as i know the prophets were not necessary sinless i think it was in a hadith or something that every offspring of Adam sins but the best are those who repent

Allah knows best

[Talha777]

Assalamo alaikum. The Prophets (alaihimus salaam) are not masoomeen (infallible/sinless). There are examples in the Holy Quran which clearly show they were not sinless. They are human beings, but nevertheless they are the best class of human beings, being the most righteous and truthful. With regard to the conveying of the message of Islam which is their function, they are completely perfect and do not make any mistakes in that regard, but they are helped by the Holy Spirit.

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

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Please read my signature to know that i am not bigoted in my approach. I only try to be fair and just. I tend to find i always get to the truth by using just methods. I can not condemn or defend without evidence, therefore please do not delete this post. Anybody that even trys to say a bad word about Ibn Taymiyah, Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab in this thread i have created might aswell be spat on by myself. Please understand, i have no reason to fight, but i have every reason to know whats right and whats wrong. Infact i would like it if people from the Salafiyah answered to this thread only, unless you have the books on your shelve in Arabic and that you will be happy for me to come and persoanlly meet you and take photocopies.

If only everyone would try to be fair and just and sincerly sought the truth instead of being caught up in hearsay. And I would just like to point out to you that, by 'Salafi' we only mean that we are following the way of the Salaf and we are not giving allegience to any of the Hizb because a distinction needs to be made. As Shaykh Ibn Uthaymin said: "There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis."
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You'll find the answer to your question below Insha'Allaah:

Do Prophets sin? Do they need forgiveness?

Question:
I have been told by someone claiming to be a Muslim that all God's prophets, including Mohammed, were without sin, (perfect), never requiring forgiveness. Is this a view held officially by Islam as a whole?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

We thank you for sending this question in an effort to find the right answer instead of merely accepting what you have heard from someone who claims to be a Muslim.

“The ummah (Muslim nation) is agreed that the Messengers are infallible in carrying out their mission – they do not forget anything that Allaah has revealed to them except with regard to matters that have been abrogated. They are also infallible in conveying the Message – they do not conceal anything that Allaah has revealed to them, for that would be a betrayal and it is impossible to imagine that they could do such a thing. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘O Messenger! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not ,then you have not conveyed His Message…’ [al-Maa’idah 5:67]. If anything is concealed or changed, then the punishment of Allaah will befall the one who is guilty of doing these things, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And if he [Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] had forged a false saying concerning Us [Allaah], We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), and then certainly should have cut off his life artery (aorta).’ [al-Haqqah 69:44-46]. One aspect of infallibility is that they (the Prophets) do not forget anything of that which Allaah has revealed to them, and thus no part of the revelation is lost.”

[Al-rusul wa’l-risaalaat (The Messengers and their missions), ‘Omar al-Ashqar, p. 97]

‘Omar al-Ashqar also said (op. cit., p.102): “The Prophets and Messengers may also strive to find the right judgement in the situations with which they are faced, and they judge according to what they themselves see and hear – they do not have knowledge of the Unseen. They may make an incorrect judgement, as happened to the Prophet of Allaah Dawood (David), who failed to do so, and Allaah helped his son Sulaymaan (Solomon) to come up with the right answer in that particular case. Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that he heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘There were two women, each of whom had a son. A wolf came and carried off the son of one of them, who said to the other, “The wolf has taken your son.” The other said, “No, he took your son.” They came to Dawood to ask him to judge between them, and he ruled in favour of the older woman. Then they went to Sulaymaan the son of Dawood and told him what had happened. He said, “Bring a knife and divide the child between them.” The younger woman said, “Do not do that, may Allaah have mercy on you! He is her son.” So Sulaymaan ruled in favour of the younger woman.’ (Reported by al-Bukhaari).

“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained this story: Umm Salamah, the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) narrated that he heard a dispute going on at the door of his apartment, so he went out and told them: ‘I am no more than a human being. Disputing parties may come to me, and one of you may be more eloquent and persuasive than the other, so I may think that he is telling the truth and rule in favour of him. Whoever has a judgement in favour of him to the detriment of a fellow-Muslim’s rights, this is a piece of the Fire – let him take it or leave it.’”

When it comes to the idea of the Prophets committing major sins (kabaa’ir), Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said (in al-Fataawaa, 4/319): “…The belief that the Prophets are free of major sins, but not of minor sins, is the opinion of the majority of Islamic scholars and of all (Muslim) groups… It is the opinion of most mufassireen (commentators on the Qur’an), scholars of hadeeth and fuqaha’ (jurists).”

With regard to whether it is possible for the Prophets to commit minor sins, in Lawaami’ al-Anwaar al-Bahiyyah (2/214), al-Safaareeni quoted from Ibn Hamdaan who said in Nihaayat al-Mubtadi’een: “They are infallible in conveying the commands and message of Allaah, but they are not infallible in any other regard. They may make mistakes, forget things, or commit minor sins – according to the most well-known opinion (of the scholars) – but they will not be approved for these mistakes.”

The majority of scholars take the following as evidence to support their claim that the Prophets are not free from minor sins:

1.
Adam’s sin in eating from the tree from which Allaah had forbidden him to eat. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when We said to the angels, ‘Prostrate yourselves to Adam.’ They prostrated (all) except Iblees (Satan), who refused. Then We said, ‘O Adam! Verily, this is an enemy to you and to your wife. So let him not get you both out of Paradise, so that you be distressed in misery. Verily, you have (a promise from Us) that you will never be hungry therein nor naked. And you (will) suffer not from thirst therein nor from the sun’s heat. Then Shaytaan whispered to him, saying: ‘O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that shall never waste away?’ Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.” [Ta-Ha 20:116-121]

2.
When Nooh prayed for his kaafir son, Allaah rebuked him for doing so, and taught him that this person was not a member of his family, and that this prayer was not a righteous deed on his part. So Nooh sought forgiveness from his Lord, repented and returned to Allaah: “Nooh said: ‘O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers.’” [Hood 11:47 – interpretation of the meaning].

3.
When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: “… and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance.” [Saad 38:24 – interpretation of the meaning].

Everyone, even the Prophets, is in need of the forgiveness of Allaah. Allaah has blessed His Prophets by forgiving their sins, and He has blessed our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as He said (interpretation of the meaning): “That Allaah may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His favour upon you, and guide you on the Straight Path.” [al-Fath 48:2]

4.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, in al-Fataawaa 10/296, “Concerning the issue of forgiveness of the Prophets’ sins: Allaah, may He be exalted, does not speak of any Prophet in the Qur’aan, except He also mentions repentance and seeking forgiveness. For example, Adam and his wife said: ‘Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” [al-A’raaf 7:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. Nooh said: “O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers.’” [Hood 11:47 – interpretation of the meaning]. Ibraaheem said: “Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents, and (all) the Believers on the Day when the reckoning will be established.” [Ibraaheem 14:41 – interpretation of the meaning] and “… You are our wali (Protector), so forgive us and have Mercy on us, for You are the Best of those who forgive. And ordain for us good in this world, and in the Hereafter. Certainly we have turned unto You…” [al-A’raaf 7:155-156 – interpretation of the meaning]. Moosa said: ‘…You are our wali (Protector), so forgive us and have Mercy on us, for You are the Best of those who forgive.’ [al-A’raaf 7:155 – interpretation of the meaning]. Then he [Ibn Taymiyah, may Allaah have mercy on him] gave further examples, but what we have mentioned here is sufficient. And Allaah knows best.

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Did the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commit sin?

Question:
My question is about the Prophet( ). Some muslims believe that he was sinless while others say he was not. I personally dont think he was sinless cause he was just a human. Can u tell me which is true using Quran or Hadith, please? Thank you very much. Allahu Akbar

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: the use of the word “sin” in the question is a grave mistake, because sin (khatee’ah, pl. khataayaa) is impossible in the case of the Messengers. It is more correct to say mistakes, because a mistake may be made unintentionally, which is not the case with sins.

Secondly: with regard to sins, the Messengers, including Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), never committed any sin intentionally as an act of disobedience towards Allaah after receiving their Mission (risaalah). This is according to the consensus of the Muslims. They were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The view that the Prophets were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir) is the view of the majority of the scholars of Islam and all the sects… It is also the view of the majority of the scholars of tafseer and hadeeth, and of the fuqahaa’. Nothing was reported from any of the Salaf, Imaams, Sahaabah, Taabi’een or the successive generation that does not agree with this view.

(Majmaa’ al-Fataawaa, 4/319).

This question was posed to the Standing Committee on this topic:

Question:

Some people, including the heretics, say that the Prophets and Messengers could make mistakes, i.e., they could make mistakes like all other people. They say that the first mistake ever made was when the son of Adam, Qaabeel, killed Haabeel… and when the two angels came to Dawood, he listened to the first and did not listen to what the second had to say… and the story of Yoonus when the big fish swallowed him; and the story of the Messenger with Zayd ibn Haarithah, they say that he concealed something which he should have declared openly; and with his Sahaabah, he told them, “You know better about your worldly affairs,” and they say that this is because he made a mistake in this regard; and what happened with the blind man, which is referred to in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), “(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, because there came to him the blind man…” [‘Abasa 80:1-2]. Could the Prophets and Messengers really make mistakes? How can we respond to these sinners [who say these things]?

Answer:

Yes, the Prophets and Messengers made mistakes, but Allaah did not approve of their mistakes; rather, He pointed out their mistakes as a Mercy to them and their ummahs, and He forgave their mistakes and accepted their repentance as a Grace and Mercy, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. This will be clear to anyone who checks out the aayaat of the Qur’aan in which the matters raised in the question are discussed… With regard to the sons of Aadam, even though they were not Prophets… Allaah explained how evil was the deed which he did to his brother…

(Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, no. 6290, 3/194).

Thirdly: before they were given their Mission (risaalah), the scholars have said that it is possible that they may have committed some minor sins, but they were protected from committing major sins such as zinaa, drinking wine, etc.

But after they received their Mission, the correct view is that they may have committed some minor mistakes but this was not approved of and they were rebuked.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said:

Most of the reports from the majority of scholars state that they were not infallible with regard to minor mistakes, but they were not allowed to persist in them; they do not say that this could never happen at all. The first suggestion that they were completely infallible came from the Raafidis, who say that they are so infallible that they could never make any mistake even by way of forgetfulness and misunderstanding.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 4/320).

They are infallible with regard to conveying the Message from Allaah, may He be exalted.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The aayaat which indicate the Prophethood of the Prophets also indicate that they are infallible with regard to the conveying of the Message from Allaah; so what they say can only be true. This is the meaning of Prophethood, which implies that Allaah tells the Prophet something of the Unseen and he tells it to the people. And the Messenger is commanded to call the people to Allaah and to convey the message of his Lord.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 18/7)

Fourthly: mistakes which are committed unintentionally are of two types:

With regard to worldly matters: this happened to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). With regard to agriculture, medicine, carpentry, etc., he was like all other people. Allaah did not tell us that he was sent to us as a businessman or a farmer or a carpenter or a doctor. His mistakes in these fields are quite natural and do not impact on his Message at all.

It was reported that Raafi’ ibn Khudayj said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah, and they were pollinating the date-palms. He said, “What are you doing?” They said, “We always used to pollinate them.” He said, “Perhaps if you do not do that, it will be better.” So they did not do it, and the harvest was lacking. They mentioned that to him, and he said, “I am only a human being like you. If I tell you to do something with regard to religion, then follow it, but if I tell you to do something based on my own opinion, I am only a human being.” (narrated by Muslim, 2361).

We note that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made a mistake in this worldly matter, because he was like all other human beings, but with regard to matters of religion he did not make mistakes.

With regard to unintentional mistakes concerning matters of religion:

The most correct view among the scholars is that the way this happened with regard to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is that he might do something which is OK but it was not the more appropriate choice.

He was sometimes faced with issues concerning which there was no shar’i text on which he could base his decision, so he sought to make ijtihaad based on his own opinion, just as any Muslim scholar may make ijtihaad, and if he makes the right decision, he will be given two rewards, and if he makes the wrong decision, he will still be given one reward. This is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If the judge makes ijtihaad and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he makes ijtihaad and gets it wrong, he will have one reward.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6919; Muslim, 1716, from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).

This also happened to him concerning the prisoners of Badr.

Anas said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) consulted the people concerning the prisoners who had been captured on the day of Badr. He said, “Allaah has given you power over them.” ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said, “O people, Allaah has given you power over them and they were your brothers.” ‘Umar stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said something similar to the people. Abu Bakr stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, why don’t you forgive them and accept payment of ransom from them?” The worried expression left the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he forgave them and accepted their payment of ransom. Then Allaah revealed the words (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allaah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Anfaal 8:67]

Narrated by Ahmad (13143).

We may note that in this case, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not have any clear text so he made ijtihaad and consulted his companions, and he made a mistake in deciding what was the best thing to do.

Cases like this are few in the Sunnah. We have to believe that the Messengers and Prophets are infallible, and we know that they did not disobey Allaah. We should also beware of the words of those who want to cast aspersions on his conveying of the Message by referring to the fact that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made some mistakes with regard to earthly matters. There is a huge difference between the former and the latter. We should also beware of those misguided people who say that some of the rulings of sharee’ah which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us about are his own personal ijtihaad which could be right or wrong. What would these misguided people say in response to the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “Nor does he speak of his own desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired” [al-Najm 53:3]? We ask Allaah to protect us from confusion and misguidance, And Allaah knows best.

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[Abu Ibraheem]

Thank you and Jazakullah for your answer, insha'Allah i will give it a good read through, a good couple of times. Just rebunking this post so i can read it after maghrib insha'Allah. I was a bit mistaken in making this thread, for the reason a few people answered that i felt responsable for. Saying that i ask Allah to forgive my mistakes and anything that we as a whole have said or done wrong. I really should direct questions at scholars really. But al hamdu Lillah, i feel that Al-Madani has gave me a fair answer, even though it may be not the books i want to verify. insha'Allah i will comment further and insha'Allah i will be more careful with the subjects i am bringing to the table. wasalams

[Abu Ibraheem]

I have to purchase the books mentioned, does anybody know where i can get the books Mukhtasir Sirat ul Rasool by Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab and also the book of the same title written by his son in law? and also the whole collection of Majmu'a al Fatawaa of the Imam - Ibn Taymiyah? I would like to get hold of these texts in Arabi and if possible in English. I live in the U.K so i am looking for good bookstores in which i could obtain these texts. waslams and thank you for the answers and may Allah shower mercy on us all and save us from the hellfire and guide us all to what is true and what is good, and every success is with Allah alone.

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

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To add to that, I asked two students of knowledge and this was the response:

He is referring to the famous incident of the 'Satanic verses'.... All IAW did was to quote a narration which is often quoted by scholars writing the Sira... Some scholars weakened the narration (like al-Albani), while other deemed it authentic, such as Ibn Hajar, but then gave it an appropriate explanation.

Shaikh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab said, quoting the narration the above claim is speaking about:

ومما وقع أيضا: قصته صلى الله عليه وسلم معهم - لما قرأ سورة النجم بحضرتهم - فلما وصل إلى قوله: { أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى }{ وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى } (1) ألقى الشيطان في تلاوته: تلك الغرانيق العلى، وإن شفاعتهن لترتجى. وظنوا أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قاله، ففرحوا بذلك فرحا شديدا، وتلقاها الصغير والكبير منهم، وقالوا كلاما معناه: هذا الذي نريد، نحن نقر أن الله هو الخالق الرازق، المدبر للأمور، ولكن نريد شفاعتها عنده. فإذا أقر بذلك فليس بيننا وبينه أي خلاف.

" and from what happened also: his story (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) with them (the Mushrikeen)- when he read surat an Najm in their presence- so when he reached His (Allah's) saying-translation of the meaning: "Have you then considered Al-Lât, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs) And Manât (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third? " (53:19-20), the shaytan threw in his recitation (tilawah): "those are the exalted Gharaniq, whose intercession is hoped for". so they (the mushrikeen) THOUGHT that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that, so they became extremely happy for that ...... (to the end of the story).



Ibn Hajar al Asqalani rahimahu Allah mentioned in regards to this story-narration (after mentioning different explanations regarding this incident)

وَقِيلَ : كَانَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يُرَتِّل الْقُرْآن فَارْتَصَدَهُ الشَّيْطَان فِي سَكْتَةٍ مِنْ السَّكَتَاتِ وَنَطَقَ بِتِلْكَ الْكَلِمَات مُحَاكِيًا نَغْمَتَهُ بِحَيْثُ سَمِعَهُ مَنْ دَنَا إِلَيْهِ فَظَنَّهَا مِنْ قَوْله وَأَشَاعَهَا . قَالَ : وَهَذَا أَحْسَنُ الْوُجُوهِ . وَيُؤَيِّدُهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ فِي صَدْرِ الْكَلَام عَنْ اِبْن عَبَّاس مِنْ تَفْسِير ( تَمَنَّى ) بِتَلَا . وَكَذَا اِسْتَحْسَنَ اِبْن الْعَرَبِيّ هَذَا التَّأْوِيل وَقَالَ قَبْلَهُ : إِنَّ هَذِهِ الْآيَة نَصٌّ فِي مَذْهَبنَا فِي ، بَرَاءَة النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مِمَّا نُسِبَ إِلَيْهِ - قَالَ : وَمَعْنَى قَوْله : ( فِي أُمْنِيَتِهِ ) أَيْ فِي تِلَاوَته ، فَأَخْبَرَ تَعَالَى فِي هَذِهِ الْآيَة أَنَّ سُنَّتَهُ فِي رُسُله إِذَا قَالُوا قَوْلًا زَادَ الشَّيْطَان فِيهِ مِنْ قِبَلِ نَفْسه ، فَهَذَا نَصّ فِي أَنَّ الشَّيْطَان زَادَهُ فِي قَوْل النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا أَنَّ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَهُ قَالَ : وَقَدْ سَبَقَ إِلَى ذَلِكَ الطَّبَرِيُّ لِجَلَالَةِ قَدْره وَسِعَة عِلْمه وَشِدَّة سَاعِده فِي النَّظَر فَصَوَّبَ عَلَى هَذَا الْمَعْنَى وَحَوَّمَ عَلَيْهِ .

and it is said: The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) was reciting the Quran, so the Shaitan watched for a silent moment (in his recitation) and said those words (in that silent moment), imitating the recitation-tone of the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam), in which anyone who came close to him would hear it, and THINK it was from his saying, and he spread it around. He said: and this is the best view-explanation. and what we said in the begining supports this, narrated Ibn Abbas (radiyallahu anhu) in tafsir of (tamanna) (22:49) he recited. And Ibn alArabi (al Maliki) considered this view the most suitable-appropriate, and said before that: and this ayah is a proof for out madhhab, for the innocence of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam from what was attributed to him.
He said: and the meaning of Allah's saying (fi Umniyatihi-22:49) in his recitation....



also this explanation was mentioned in Kashmiri's sharh of sunan at Tirmidhi (al urf ash Shadhi), and Mulla Ali Qari in (Mirqat al Mafatih), and others.

[Abu Ibraheem]

Salam, thank you very much for going out of your way to answer, i have also signed up to the forum, who ever gave you the information, i would really like to ask them more questions as they are a really benificial link to have. I feel satisfied with what has been presented, i am in the process of verifying the imformation. There is a whole website full of these type of claims and i feel i have an obligation to pile through them considering this site belongs to somebody i know. wasalams

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Salam, thank you very much for going out of your way to answer, i have also signed up to the forum, who ever gave you the information, i would really like to ask them more questions as they are a really benificial link to have. I feel satisfied with what has been presented, i am in the process of verifying the imformation. There is a whole website full of these type of claims and i feel i have an obligation to pile through them considering this site belongs to somebody i know. wasalams

:sl:

Alhamdullilah, no problem brother. The thing is that there are just so many lies spread about these two Scholars, especially Shaykh Muhammad ibn AbdulWahab that are nothing short of vile, hateful, and great slanders. And many many muslims fall into believing them without trying to verify the truth first and thus they lead astray many. Alhamdullilah that you are seeking the truth and seeking to verify it regarding them from the many lies. May Allaah reward you.

[Snowflake]

Surah Abasa

1. (The Prophet ()) frowned and turned away,

2. Because there came to him the blind man (i.e. 'Abdullâh bin Umm-Maktûm, who came to the Prophet () while he was preaching to one or some of the Quraish chiefs).

3. But what could tell you that per chance he might become pure (from sins)?

4. Or that he might receive admonition, and that the admonition might profit him?

5. As for him who thinks himself self-sufficient,

6. To him you attend;

7. What does it matter to you if he will not become pure (from disbelief, you are only a Messenger, your duty is to convey the Message of Allâh).

8. But as to him who came to you running.

9. And is afraid (of Allâh and His Punishment),

10. Of him you are neglectful and divert your attention to another,

11. Nay, (do not do like this), indeed it (these Verses of this Qur'ân) are an admonition,

12. So whoever wills, let him pay attention to it.

Yes the prophets (including Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) did make mistakes that they were admonished for by Allah subhana wata'ala. But it may be that those acts were disliked by Allah rather than classed as sins. Only Allah knows that. But the one thing that remains clear and evident is that no one, not even our beloved prophets were perfect. For that is only the attribute of Allah subhana wa ta'ala alone.

[- Qatada -]

It is my understanding that everyone, according to islamic beleif, is due to spend a proportion of time in hell to attone for their sin. But this did not apply to prophets or Martyers.

The implication being that Prophets had no sin to attone for (and martyers's sins being attoned for by their actions on the battlefield)

No, that is not the case. Since Allaah will forgive some of his servants if He wills, especially since one of the best deeds is to repent to Allaah for ones wrongdoings. And if a person was to repent sincerely and submit to Allaah - then Allaah will forgive them.

It's the concept of reward and punishment - those who disbelieved that Allaah should be worshipped alone and turned away from His Mercy will be punished since that is the promise of Allaah. However, there are believers who will be forgiven since they repented to Allaah while believing that there is none worthy of worship except Him.


For example: If there was a child and i promised him that i would reward him for doing a certain act, then it becomes my duty to reward him for that act. If i never went along with this promise - it is making me unjust.

However, if there was a child who did wrong, and i told him that if you commit this wrong - i will punish you, and the child did it and said "I'm sorry" - i would forgive him and no-one could say that what i did was unjust, i forgave him out of my mercy.



And Allaah knows best. :)


Regards.

[barney]

Hadith Abu Dawud (14:2515) - I asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Who are in Paradise? He replied: "Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise."
Was my source.
And from the Quran

Sura (19:70-72) - "And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein. There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there."

I know that In multiple surahs it states that the beleivers will be rescued from the fire, but for the time being only Prophets and martyers are in there?
(Unless Allah wills otherwise)

[- Qatada -]

Hadith Abu Dawud (14:2515) - I asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Who are in Paradise? He replied: "Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise."
Was my source.

This is proved in other ahadith of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.)

On the authority of Masruq, who said:

We asked Abdullah (i.e. Ibn Masud) about this verse: And do not regard those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead, rather are they alive with their Lord, being provided for (Quran Chapter 3 Verse 169).


He said: We asked about that and the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

Their souls are in the insides of green birds having lanterns suspended from the Throne, roaming freely in Paradise where they please, then taking shelter in those lanterns. So their Lord cast a glance at them (1) and said: Do you wish for anything? They said: What shall we wish for when we roam freely in Paradise where we please? And thus did He do to them three times. When they say that they would not be spared from being asked [again], they said: O Lord, we would like for You to put back our souls into our bodies so that we might fight for Your sake once again. And when He saw that they were not in need of anything they were let be.

(1) i.e. at those who had been killed in the cause of Allah.


It was related by Muslim (also by at-Tirmidhi, an-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah).

Therefore some scholars say that the martyrs are in the hearts of green birds in paradise, and the people will only physically [in bodies] enter paradise after the Day of Judgement. And Allaah knows best.

And from the Quran

Sura (19:70-72) - "And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein. There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there."

I know that In multiple surahs it states that the beleivers will be rescued from the fire, but for the time being only Prophets and martyers are in there?
(Unless Allah wills otherwise)

That is referring to the Siraat - the path which every believer and hypocrite will have to cross. Since this path leads towards paradise. The disbelievers will not have to cross this due to the fact that they will be thrown into the fire along with the deities they associated as partners with Allaah [i.e. their idols/the cross etc.]


However, the believers will have to cross this, and the hypocrites who pretended to be believers will also have to. However, when the hypocrites approach the Siraat [literally - the path] - they will fall since they will not be able to see it. However the believers will cross it, some will cross at the speed of light, some at the pace of a horse, others walking slowly backwards and forth etc. Some may fall, however others will cross. Each depending on the amount of faith he/she had in this life.



Know that we don't interpret the Qur'an according to our own understanding, rather we understand it according to the understanding of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) since he taught it to them, and they were with him while it was being revealed.

The explanation of the verse is explained here:

Everyone will be brought to Hell, then the Righteous will be saved

Ibn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,

[وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا]

(There is not one of you but will pass over it.) "The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword. The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning. The second group will pass like the wind. The third group will pass like the fastest horse. The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow. Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.' '' This narration has supporting narrations similar to it from the Prophet in the Two Sahihs and other collections as well. These narrations have been related by Anas, Abu Sa`id, Abu Hurayrah, Jabir and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them all. Ahmad also recorded that Umm Mubashshar, the wife of Zayd bin Harithah, said, "The Messenger of Allah was in the house of Hafsah when he said,


«لَا يَدْخُلُ النَّارَ أَحَدٌ شَهِدَ بَدْرًا وَالْحُدَيْبِيَّة»


(No one who was present at the battles of Badr and Hudaybiyyah (of the Muslims) will enter into the Hellfire.) Then, Hafsah said, "Doesn't Allah say,


[وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا]


(There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell);) The Messenger of Allah replied by reciting,


[ثُمَّ نُنَجِّى الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ]


(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa.) In the Two Sahihs there is a Hadith reported from Az-Zuhri, from Sa`id from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah said,


«لَا يَمُوتُ لِأَحَدٍ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ ثَلَاثَةٌ مِنَ الْوَلَدِ تَمَسُّهُ النَّارُ إِلَّا تَحِلَّةَ الْقَسَم»


(No one of the Muslims who has had three children, who all died, will be touched by the Hellfire, except for an oath that must be fulfilled.) `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam commented on Allah's statement,


[وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا]


(There is not one of you but will pass over it;) "The passing of the Muslims (over the Hellfire) means their passing over a bridge that is over it. But the passing of the idolators over the Hellfire refers to their admission to the Fire.'' As-Suddi reported from Murrah, from Ibn Mas`ud, that he said concerning Allah's statement,


[كَانَ عَلَى رَبِّكَ حَتْماً مَّقْضِيّاً]


(this is with your Lord; a Hatman decree.) "An oath that must be fulfilled.'' Mujahid said, "Hatman means preordainment.'' Ibn Jurayj said the same. Concerning Allah's statement,


[ثُمَّ نُنَجِّى الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ]


(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. ) When all of the creatures passed over the Hellfire, and those disbelievers and the disobedient people who are destined to fall into it because of their disobedience, Allah will save the believers and the righteous people from it because of their deeds. Therefore, their passing over the bridge and their speed will be based upon their deeds that they did in this life. Then, the believers who performed major sins will be allowed intercession. The angels, the Prophets and the believers will all intercede. Thus, a large number of the sinners will be allowed to come out of Hell. The fire will have devoured much of their bodies, except the places of prostration on their faces. Their removal from the Hellfire will be due to the faith in their hearts. The first to come out will be he who has the weight of a Dinar of faith in his heart. Then, whoever has the next least amount after him. Then, whoever is next to that after him, and so forth. This will continue until the one who has the tiniest hint of faith in his heart, equal to the weight of an atom. Then, Allah will take out of the Fire whoever said "La ilaha illallah,'' even one day of his entire life, even if he never performed any good deed. After this, no one will remain in the Hellfire, except those it is obligatory upon to remain in the Hellfire forever. This has been reported in many authentic Hadiths from the Messenger of Allah . This is why Allah says,

[ثُمَّ نُنَجِّى الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ وَّنَذَرُ الظَّـلِمِينَ فِيهَا جِثِيّاً ]

(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Jithyya.)

And Allaah Almighty knows best.






Regards.

[barney]

Thanks, i diddnt know about the bridge.:)

Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there." without that Hadith looks as if everyone is in the fire but then some are taken out.

[- Qatada -]

No worries, if you have any questions at all - please don't hesitate to ask. :) But i think it might be a better idea to create a new thread, just incase.



Peace.

[al Amaanah]

Question:
My question is about the Prophet(

). Some muslims believe that he was sinless while others say he was not. I personally dont think he was sinless cause he was just a human. Can u tell me which is true using Quran or Hadith, please? Thank you very much. Allahu Akbar

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: the use of the word “sin” in the question is a grave mistake, because sin (khatee’ah, pl. khataayaa) is impossible in the case of the Messengers. It is more correct to say mistakes, because a mistake may be made unintentionally, which is not the case with sins.

Secondly: with regard to sins, the Messengers, including Muhammad

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), never committed any sin intentionally as an act of disobedience towards Allaah after receiving their Mission (risaalah). This is according to the consensus of the Muslims. They were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The view that the Prophets were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir) is the view of the majority of the scholars of Islam and all the sects… It is also the view of the majority of the scholars of tafseer and hadeeth, and of the fuqahaa’. Nothing was reported from any of the Salaf, Imaams, Sahaabah, Taabi’een or the successive generation that does not agree with this view.

(Majmaa’ al-Fataawaa, 4/319).

This question was posed to the Standing Committee on this topic:

Question:

Some people, including the heretics, say that the Prophets and Messengers could make mistakes, i.e., they could make mistakes like all other people. They say that the first mistake ever made was when the son of Adam, Qaabeel, killed Haabeel… and when the two angels came to Dawood, he listened to the first and did not listen to what the second had to say… and the story of Yoonus when the big fish swallowed him; and the story of the Messenger with Zayd ibn Haarithah, they say that he concealed something which he should have declared openly; and with his Sahaabah, he told them, “You know better about your worldly affairs,” and they say that this is because he made a mistake in this regard; and what happened with the blind man, which is referred to in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), “(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, because there came to him the blind man…” [‘Abasa 80:1-2]. Could the Prophets and Messengers really make mistakes? How can we respond to these sinners [who say these things]?

Answer:

Yes, the Prophets and Messengers made mistakes, but Allaah did not approve of their mistakes; rather, He pointed out their mistakes as a Mercy to them and their ummahs, and He forgave their mistakes and accepted their repentance as a Grace and Mercy, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. This will be clear to anyone who checks out the aayaat of the Qur’aan in which the matters raised in the question are discussed… With regard to the sons of Aadam, even though they were not Prophets… Allaah explained how evil was the deed which he did to his brother…

(Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, no. 6290, 3/194).

Thirdly: before they were given their Mission (risaalah), the scholars have said that it is possible that they may have committed some minor sins, but they were protected from committing major sins such as zinaa, drinking wine, etc.

But after they received their Mission, the correct view is that they may have committed some minor mistakes but this was not approved of and they were rebuked.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said:

Most of the reports from the majority of scholars state that they were not infallible with regard to minor mistakes, but they were not allowed to persist in them; they do not say that this could never happen at all. The first suggestion that they were completely infallible came from the Raafidis, who say that they are so infallible that they could never make any mistake even by way of forgetfulness and misunderstanding.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 4/320).

They are infallible with regard to conveying the Message from Allaah, may He be exalted.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The aayaat which indicate the Prophethood of the Prophets also indicate that they are infallible with regard to the conveying of the Message from Allaah; so what they say can only be true. This is the meaning of Prophethood, which implies that Allaah tells the Prophet something of the Unseen and he tells it to the people. And the Messenger is commanded to call the people to Allaah and to convey the message of his Lord.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 18/7)

Fourthly: mistakes which are committed unintentionally are of two types:

With regard to worldly matters: this happened to the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). With regard to agriculture, medicine, carpentry, etc., he was like all other people. Allaah did not tell us that he was sent to us as a businessman or a farmer or a carpenter or a doctor. His mistakes in these fields are quite natural and do not impact on his Message at all.

It was reported that Raafi’ ibn Khudayj said: The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah, and they were pollinating the date-palms. He said, “What are you doing?” They said, “We always used to pollinate them.” He said, “Perhaps if you do not do that, it will be better.” So they did not do it, and the harvest was lacking. They mentioned that to him, and he said, “I am only a human being like you. If I tell you to do something with regard to religion, then follow it, but if I tell you to do something based on my own opinion, I am only a human being.” (narrated by Muslim, 2361).

We note that the Messenger

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made a mistake in this worldly matter, because he was like all other human beings, but with regard to matters of religion he did not make mistakes.

With regard to unintentional mistakes concerning matters of religion:

The most correct view among the scholars is that the way this happened with regard to the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is that he might do something which is OK but it was not the more appropriate choice.

He was sometimes faced with issues concerning which there was no shar’i text on which he could base his decision, so he sought to make ijtihaad based on his own opinion, just as any Muslim scholar may make ijtihaad, and if he makes the right decision, he will be given two rewards, and if he makes the wrong decision, he will still be given one reward. This is what the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If the judge makes ijtihaad and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he makes ijtihaad and gets it wrong, he will have one reward.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6919; Muslim, 1716, from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).

This also happened to him concerning the prisoners of Badr.

Anas said: the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) consulted the people concerning the prisoners who had been captured on the day of Badr. He said, “Allaah has given you power over them.” ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said, “O people, Allaah has given you power over them and they were your brothers.” ‘Umar stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said something similar to the people. Abu Bakr stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, why don’t you forgive them and accept payment of ransom from them?” The worried expression left the face of the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he forgave them and accepted their payment of ransom. Then Allaah revealed the words (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allaah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Anfaal 8:67]

Narrated by Ahmad (13143).

We may note that in this case, the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not have any clear text so he made ijtihaad and consulted his companions, and he made a mistake in deciding what was the best thing to do.

Cases like this are few in the Sunnah. We have to believe that the Messengers and Prophets are infallible, and we know that they did not disobey Allaah. We should also beware of the words of those who want to cast aspersions on his conveying of the Message by referring to the fact that he

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made some mistakes with regard to earthly matters. There is a huge difference between the former and the latter. We should also beware of those misguided people who say that some of the rulings of sharee’ah which the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us about are his own personal ijtihaad which could be right or wrong. What would these misguided people say in response to the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “Nor does he speak of his own desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired” [al-Najm 53:3]? We ask Allaah to protect us from confusion and misguidance, And Allaah knows best.

Shaykh Mohammad Saalih Al Munajjid

[chacha_jalebi]

personally i like the way sheikh ibn taymiyyah puts it, he was infallible with the message of islaam.

this topic is where we have to be careful what words we use, like for me sayin mistake is wrong, RasoolAllah (saw) was reminded :p of stuff by Allah (swt) for example the case with Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Maktum (ra), and RasoolAllah (saw) would refer to him as "o the one who my lord rebuked me for" and also the case with the hadiths about the dates, when RasoolAllah (saw) said "that he was human, and the fermenting of dates was his opinion" also the taking captives and Allah (swt) said to him dont take captives, and also the hadiths about sajdah sahw, when he prayed a extra rakah and was told by Abu Huraira (Ra):D

the main thing is, we love the Prophet (saw) we shouldnt bicker over topics like this

[Malaikah]

The prophet SAWS was infallible and anyone who says he is not does not deserve to be called a Sunni . more like a Khawarij .

What about Prophet Yunus? Everyone knows he made a serious, massive mistake for which he was seriously punished, it is mentioned in the Quran itself.

Being a Prophet doesn't make a person 100% free from committing sin.

Also Muhammad pbuh was only infallible in conveying the message, he was not infallible in anything else.

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


I think there's a valid difference of opinion on this issue guys, seriously - allow it.

[pauper]

:salamext:


I think there's a valid difference of opinion on this issue guys, seriously - allow it.

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Jazakallah khair - shukran .

[chacha_jalebi]

i dont deduce them as mistakes, i said reminders, its a difference of language, he was reminded by Allah (Swt) not to do this, so that is prove! also we need to understand none of the Prophets (saw) intentionally did wrong, whatever they did they was commanded by Allah (Swt) its like a message and story for all of us

subhanAllah difference on such a simple thing, subhanAllah lol the evidence is there! people just want to follow their own way

like qatadah bro said, their is a difference:blind: so i think its best the discussion is stopped and this thread is closed!!

[pauper]

i dont deduce them as mistakes, i said reminders, its a difference of language, he was reminded by Allah (Swt) not to do this, so that is prove! also we need to understand none of the Prophets (saw) intentionally did wrong, whatever they did they was commanded by Allah (Swt) its like a message and story for all of us

subhanAllah difference on such a simple thing, subhanAllah lol the evidence is there! people just want to follow their own way

like qatadah bro said, their is a difference:blind: so i think its best the discussion is stopped and this thread is closed!!

Agreed on that Bro Jazakallah khair , but you did not answer me on my stance of modern day scholars .

[- Qatada -]

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Thread Closed. :)




oops, my powers have gone! :p lol

[chacha_jalebi]

thats good subhanAllah, trying to follow the salaf, but if you do actually read some of the stuff by the khalaf scholars such as ibn taymiyyah, ibn baz, subhanallah you will see their manhaj is the same as the salaf, they provide pin point evidence and refer it all back to authentic sources:D

and ok un officially until we get a mod in this section to close it, this thread is closed

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capiche!!:D

we all love each other, we are all bros n sisters!! so woo hoo:D