Moves to marginalise extremists

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The government is planning to intervene in some mosques to support Muslims who want to marginalise extremists.

Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly will announce a new role for the Charity Commission, strengthening its task of overseeing religious institutions.

A £600,000 faith unit within the commission will help Muslims strengthen governance and leadership in mosques.

Ministers are also changing how prosecutors target extremists, with new specialist counter-terrorism teams.

The plans are part of the government's broader counter-terrorism strategy.

In February, ministers announced support for pilot projects to root out
Islamist extremists grooming young men in British cities.
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Ruth Kelly: Meeting more Muslim groups

In a speech on Thursday, Ruth Kelly is expected to say: "I do not under-estimate the difficulties we face or the scale of this challenge. But I know from my conversations with Muslim communities up and down the country that the desire and commitment to tackle extremism is there.

"Success will hinge on forging a new alliance against violent extremism. We need to reach out and give greater support to the overwhelming majority who are disgusted by terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Islam."

Ms Kelly's department has changed government strategy by launching talks with a broader range of Muslim groups.

But at the same time, the largest body, the Muslim Council of Britain, has fallen out of favour, leading to claims that ministers are talking only to those prepared to agree with government.

Prosecutions move

In a related move, the Attorney General Lord Goldsmith said specialist prosecutors are beginning to work with police officers to improve how they target extremist preachers.

"For some time I have been concerned that we have not taken sufficiently effective action against a very small minority of extremists among our communities who incite others to terrorism," said Lord Goldsmith.

"By bringing together the law enforcement agencies and the prosecutors we now have a commitment to tackle these cases in an effective, focused and well co-ordinated way and the structures to enable that to happen."

New study

The strategy is part of the government's attempts to develop a plan to prevent extremism, a key plank of counter-terrorism policy.

New research commissioned by the government links radicalisation of young Muslims with a failure of traditional mosque leadership.

The study, written by a Muslim academic, is understood to pinpoint a conveyor belt towards extremism which starts with identity crises during teenager years. These problems are then easily compounded by discrimination, lack of opportunity and the poor quality of religious leadership in some traditional mosques.

The BBC understands the research warns the government that extremist groups successfully recruit by exploiting a combination of alienation and religious illiteracy among youths.

But at the same time, the report predicts that a positive British-Islam voice can emerge to defeat extremists, if there is investment in religious leadership.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6528305.stm
 
Good strategy. Extremism of any kind preys on young people who are more easily manipulated. It won't end extremism, but if it stops one person from committing suicide for a an extremist group it has done its job.
 
'jesus camp' comes to mind when i think of 'extemists'.
 
wilberhum said:
Truly, they are an extremists group. There political agenda scares me.
But at least they don't encourage suicide attacks.
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They don't have to. They have ppl in Washington to do it for them and spread propaganda to legitimize it.


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wilberhum said:
So what do you think should be done to the Washington extreamists?
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Muslims need to stay united on the path of Qur'an and Sunnah (Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jama’ah). Guard ourselves against
1) The innovators who seek to disunite the Muslims and destroy the true Islamic creed
2) Hypocrite Muslims who desire to live like the disbelievers and bend Islam to fit into their lifestyle
3) all the disbelievers and polythesists.

How should we guard ourselves:
1) 3:103 And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you;
2) 3:132 And obey Allah and the Messenger. that ye may obtain mercy.
Basically guard your self by holding on to the teachings of Qur’an and Sunnah.
And Allah knows best.
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siFilam said:
Muslims need to stay united on the path of Qur'an and Sunnah (Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jama’ah). Guard ourselves against
1) The innovators who seek to disunite the Muslims and destroy the true Islamic creed
2) Hypocrite Muslims who desire to live like the disbelievers and bend Islam to fit into their lifestyle
3) all the disbelievers and polythesists.

How should we guard ourselves:
1) 3:103 And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you;
2) 3:132 And obey Allah and the Messenger. that ye may obtain mercy.
Basically guard your self by holding on to the teachings of Qur’an and Sunnah.
And Allah knows best.
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But what do non-Muslims need to do to stop extreamism?
 
wilberhum said:
But what do non-Muslims need to do to stop extreamism?
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stop trying to spread your ideology in the middle east and other Muslim regions and preventing us from establishing Shariah.

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siFilam said:
stop trying to spread your ideology in the middle east and other Muslim regions and preventing us from establishing Shariah.

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I hope we do stop trying to spread our ideology.
But how do we prevent you from establishing Shariah?
You have Iran, SA and many more. It seams that is a Muslim problem.
Do you think if we stop spreading our ideology, extreamists will stop trying to spread theres?
 
wilberhum said:
I hope we do stop trying to spread our ideology.
But how do we prevent you from establishing Shariah?
You have Iran, SA and many more. It seams that is a Muslim problem.
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Iran doesn't count b/c they are people of innovation. and I honestly don't know too much about SA to comment because I hear mix informations. Non-Muslim countries are preventing the establishment of Shariah by pressuring Muslim officials into meeting their demands and installing puppet governments. and yes its a Muslim problem too because these Muslim give into their demands. They lack knowledge about Islam and follow their vain desire. they are too weak to follow the Shariah. example Iraqi and Afghanistani officials. tell me, how much progress did these country make?

wilberhum said:
Do you think if we stop spreading our ideology, extreamists will stop trying to spread theres?
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Allah knows best. I hope so at least cause they're not following the path of our Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).

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siFilam said:
Iran doesn't count b/c they are people of innovation. and I honestly don't know too much about SA to comment because I hear mix informations. Non-Muslim countries are preventing the establishment of Shariah by pressuring Muslim officials into meeting their demands and installing puppet governments. and yes its a Muslim problem too because these Muslim give into their demands. They lack knowledge about Islam and follow their vain desire. they are too weak to follow the Shariah. example Iraqi and Afghanistani officials. tell me, how much progress did these country?


Allah knows best. I hope so at least cause they're not following the path of our Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).

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Well you should go get Iran on the right path. :raging:
But other than that all Muslims problems are caused by the non-Muslims.
Interesting. :skeleton:
I guess you can ignore reality all you want. :D
 
wilberhum said:
Well you should go get Iran on the right path. :raging:
But other than that all Muslims problems are caused by the non-Muslims.
Interesting. :skeleton:
I guess you can ignore reality all you want. :D
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If u read my post correctly you'll notice that I said that its a Muslim problem too. Some Muslims chose to deviate and follow the ways of the non-Muslims.

and Iran.....if u only understood the extent of their innovations. :cry:

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siFilam said:
If u read my post correctly you'll notice that I said that its a Muslim problem too. Some Muslims chose to deviate and follow the ways of the non-Muslims.

and Iran.....if u only understood the extent of their innovations. :cry:

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So the problem is non-Muslims and Muslims that act like non-Muslims.
Interesting.
So if all non-Muslims were eliminated so that Muslims woud not have non-Muslims to act like, the world would be perfect.
A very interesting way of thinking.
I was thinking how perfect the world would be if only the West existed.
No not really. Just thought I would throw that in.
 
Speaking of establishing Shariah.... it is not possible until a khalifah has been established. A khalifah cannot be established until the Ummah unites, because like i said,... A khalifah, not a dozen. the Salafis wont accept a Sufi Khalifah, Sufis wont accept a Salafi khalifah, Sunnis wont accept a Shia khalifah, Shias won't accept a Sunni khalifah.... and we can't have a dozen khalifahs at one time.

So lets stop dreaming :) Establishing a Khalifah/ living life according to the shariah rules is not possible in this time and age.

As for the Saudi establishing Shariah rules,... Pffft.. Saudi is a joke.
 
wilberhum said:
So if all non-Muslims were eliminated so that Muslims woud not have non-Muslims to act like, the world would be perfect.
A very interesting way of thinking.
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Can u show me where in my posts I advocated the elimination of the non-Muslims or even implicitly stated such un-Islamic things? If you can show me and I see that I really did make such comments than I will apologize because that is not the way of our religion. If you can’t show me than next time read all the posts at least 10x before ignorantly making any comments. And I think you wanted me to say such things so you can criticize Islam more.

wilberhum said:
I was thinking how perfect the world would be if only the West existed.
No not really. Just thought I would throw that in.
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No, I honestly think you would like that. No Muslims.

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How many times has the west been at war with itself?

This is not a trick question.

Right now the 'middle east' is the enemy, if the middle east/muslims ceased existing, the west would be back to killing its own.

One way or another, peace in the west is a long shot.
 
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SirZubair said:
Speaking of establishing Shariah.... it is not possible until a khalifah has been established. A khalifah cannot be established until the Ummah unites, because like i said,... A khalifah, not a dozen. the Salafis wont accept a Sufi Khalifah, Sufis wont accept a Salafi khalifah, Sunnis wont accept a Shia khalifah, Shias won't accept a Sunni khalifah.... and we can't have a dozen khalifahs at one time.
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The individual Muslim countries can appoint a Khalifah for their country and establish a real Shariah. It doesn't have to be one Khalifah for the entire Muslim Ummah. But unfortunately you have Muslims who are too weak to follow the Shariah, some are hypocrites and others simply want to enjoy their temporary life in this world by acquiring status, wealth and power. even more unfortunate is that Muslims are ignorant of their religion and they support these people and appoint them for leadership positions. on the other side you have the non-muslim who support these people. :cry: Its sad state that we are in.

and Allah knows best.

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they should begin by banning organizations like the KKK and Neo Nazis
then talk about the rest - i mean begin with the OBIVIOUS extremists and hate mongers
 
SirZubair said:
How many times has the west been at war with itself?

This is not a trick question.

Right now the 'middle east' is the enemy, if the middle east/muslims ceased existing, the west would be back to killing its own.

One way or another, peace in the west is a long shot.
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Kind of just like the East.
There are always people that want war.
East, West, there are war mungers in both places.
 
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