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FatimaAsSideqah
04-09-2007, 02:42 PM
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Fatwaa from Shaikh AbdulAziz Bin Abdullah Bin Bazz (Rahimahullah) From his book 'Islamic Fatwas regarding Women' Page #259

Question: What is the ruling concerning one who ridicules those who wear the proper hijab and cover their faces and hands?

Response: Whoever ridicules a Muslim woman or man for sticking to and applying the teachings of Islam is a disbeliever. This is regardless of whether it is concerning woman's hijab or any other matter of the Shariah. This is based on the following narration from ibn Umar: At a gathering during the Battle of Tabuk, one man said, "I have not seen anyone like our Quranic readers who is more desirous of food, more lying in speech and more cowardly when meeting the enemy." A man said, "You have lied and you are a liar. I shall definitely tell the Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) about that." That news was conveyed to the Messenger of Allah and the Quran was revealed. Abdullah ibn Umar added, "I saw the man holding on to the bag of the camel of the Messenger of Allah and the dust was striking him while he was saying, 'O Messenger of Allah, we were just joking and playing. The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) was simply saying the verse of the Quran],
"Was it Allah, and His Signs and His Messenger you were mocking? Make no excuse, you have disbelieved after you had believed. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others among you because they were sinners" (al-Tauba 65-66). So ridiculing believers has been equated with ridiculing Allah, His Signs and His Messenger.

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Pk_#2
04-09-2007, 02:58 PM
AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

jazakAllah khair :)

Peace!
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FatimaAsSideqah
04-09-2007, 03:02 PM
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Reference to http://www.islamicboard.com/general-...e-vote-no.html..

This is what I have posted are similar to this link.

I have made a point of it.

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Talibatul Ilm
04-13-2007, 05:22 AM
its truly sad if someone mocks niqaab. hopefully, we arent mocking those who fast extra, make extra prayers, are extremely truthful or generous. then why mock niqaab in any way? whether one thinks it is fard, recommended, wajib, whatever, this is a part of islam and shouldnt be mocked no matter what status it holds! if a sister wishes to take the extra step to please her Lord and veil herself more modestly, then this shouldnt be looked down on by anyone, but only respected.
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AB517
04-13-2007, 12:30 PM
Anyone who mocks any one else is treating a fellow child of god in mean and disrepectful way. The younger they are more figiving I tend to be and I am working on that.

AB
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H4RUN
04-14-2007, 03:31 PM
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JazakAllah khair for te article

format_quote Originally Posted by AB517
Anyone who mocks any one else is treating a fellow child of god in mean and disrepectful way. The younger they are more figiving I tend to be and I am working on that.

AB
Children of God? Care to explain just a wee bit more:)

Peace
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*edit* i think i just got the asnwer to my question...
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AB517
04-15-2007, 01:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by H4RUN
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JazakAllah khair for te article



Children of God? Care to explain just a wee bit more:)

Peace
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*edit* i think i just got the asnwer to my question...
Hey,

That is your your heart and mind. Our father said: "These worlds are yours ... use them in peace"

Peace
AB
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- Qatada -
04-15-2007, 02:07 PM
Hey AB157.


God doesn't have children :) He is way above that since He has no equals. We are all His servants who He loves, more than our mothers even love us.



Regards.
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AB517
04-15-2007, 05:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
Hey AB157.


God doesn't have children :) He is way above that since He has no equals. We are all His servants who He loves, more than our mothers even love us.



Regards.
You may be correct; this is a theological matter.

Using words like child, Lord, above all else, these are words we use to try and explain that we which we dont know. He asks for no Honor, does not demand to be lord. All life comes from it, he raps his creaton in love as if a blanket.

I dont know what to call it ... I rejoice in its power.

You are wise
Allah rejoices in your kind manor.

Thank You
AB
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- Qatada -
04-15-2007, 07:31 PM
Hi AB517.


How is believing that there is none worthy of worship except your Creator being a fundamentalist? Don't you know that there is only One God who gives you life, sustains you with all you have, then He causes you to die and raises you back up again to judge you on whether you submitted to Him and believed in Him and His Messengers'?


And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."

Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires).

To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things.


[Qur'an 5: 116-120]
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AB517
04-15-2007, 07:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
Hi AB517.


How is believing that there is none worthy of worship except your Creator being a fundamentalist? Don't you know that there is only One God who gives you life, sustains you with all you have, then He causes you to die and raises you back up again to judge you on whether you submitted to Him and believed in Him and His Messengers'?


And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."

Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires).

To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things.


[Qur'an 5: 116-120]

Big Caps mean jumping around and yelling in my face. If I wrong I apologize. I can quote the Bible to make the Koran look bad just as easly as you can qoute the Koran to make Bible look bad. People in religions that dont understand this tend yell / screem and not respect others as equals.
Again If they didnt mean it ... as I took it ... I am wrong.
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FatimaAsSideqah
04-15-2007, 10:44 PM
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Behind the Governments Veil of Deceit

Never before has such a small percentage, of an estimated 1.6 million Muslims living in the U.K, seen to be the root cause for the failures in integration. Yet, Muslim women wearing the veil, (niqāb), are increasingly blamed for the apparent social dysfunction in society.

But is this really about community ‘separation’? Is the niqāb responsible for the ‘difficulty’ in fostering positive community relations? Or is there a real danger for the nation to fall in line with the vision of a secular ‘apartheid’ Europe?

Much of Europe is still reeling from comments made by the Blackburn MP and Leader of the House of Commons, Jack Straw, concerning the veil (niqāb) furore, written in October.

When the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was initially quizzed about the damaging column published in the Lancashire Evening Telegraph, it was seen to be a gilt-edged opportunity to condemn the remarks, in an attempt to mend an already fragile relationship with the Muslim community.

Instead, Tony Blair opted to endorse his colleague’s view by stating the niqāb is a “mark of separation”, and believing it to be the reason for the country’s integration problems.

The Tony Blair-Jack Straw ‘axis of deceit’, proved to be the catalyst for an unrelenting media campaign, demonising women who wear the niqāb, even questioning the need for such a dress code in the west.

The floodgates opened for Islam-hating preachers in the press, such as the Times, David Aaronovitch, who proclaimed, ‘they enjoy being a victim’, to, Suzanne Moore, of the Mail on Sunday, who wrote an article with the headline: ‘The veil has no place...in Kabul or Blackburn’, to gleefully peddle a message of religious hatred.

This was only part of the story. It is widely believed Tony Blair needed to create a diversion, after coming under intense scrutiny in his handling of events in Iraq and Afghanistan, so chose to create a catastrophic rift within the community.

The Prime Minister moved to lend his backing to the Kirklees Council, in suspending the teaching assistant, Ms. Azmi, for refusing to remove her niqāb at Headfield Church of England Junior School in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

This was met with fierce criticism from Ms. Azmi’s lawyer, as the tribunal was yet to deliver a verdict at the time.

Worse was to follow. The Government minister, Phil Woolas, fuelled the issue further by even calling for the 23-year-old teaching assistant to be sacked.

Not to be outdone, Jack Straw wasn’t quite finished. Tensions deepened in the Muslim community, following his appearance on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. The MP firmly stood by his comments, but added he would rather see the niqāb not being worn at all.

The remarks didn’t have the desired effect of taking a step towards segregating communities, but merely strengthened it.

A joint statement, soon followed, signed by nearly 30 leading Islamic groups, telling Muslims to "remain united, regardless of their differences of opinion in the wearing of the veil ... and to defend the veil with all their ability.”
Jack Straw’s racial discrimination slur, hiding behind his ‘integration’ argument, also received a stinging response from the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC), in its Press release, stating:

“Muslims, particularly Muslim women, are persistently being preached at to engage in the political system and to gain a voice for themselves. Yet, here are Muslim women who are willing to actively engage in the system only to be told that they must compromise their religious beliefs and practices if they want to be heard.”

But support for the niqāb was not just limited to the religiously inclined. Solidarity came from, perhaps, a most unlikely source – the progressives.

Ms. Pari Esfandiari, is one such supporter. She is the founder and Editor in Chief of IranDokht.com, an American based Iranian women’s lifestyle magazine. As an Iranian, she has witnessed both worlds of the miniskirt age of the Shah to the conservatism of the Khomeni era.

“What are missing from this political debate are the voices of women and the very personal nature of each woman's decision to cover--or bare--her hair and the emotional and complex consequences that she has to face once she has made a choice…”, she remarks.

“…I also wish to see an eclectic mix of men and women wearing what truly reflects their own choice of outfit supporting women’s basic human right to decide and choose what they wear for themselves. By doing so no matter what their faith, gender or political belief -- they support a woman’s freedom to choose how, whether and when she veils.”

But Madeline Bunting, Director of the thinktank Demos, believes something more sinister is at hand.

“…The point that intrigues me is how Straw is elevating this question as one of primary national concern. In an article on Tony Crosland in the New Statesman last month, Straw cited the Labour thinker’s belief that class was the great divide in society, and added that, now, "religion" was the great divide.

“Obviously, Straw meant Islam. No one is too worried about a shrinking number of Anglicans or Catholics. It’s a magnificent convenience for New Labour to let the divides of class slip from view as they prove intractable and social mobility grinds to a halt…

“The job of a political leader…is to open our eyes to recognising how much we have in common; how much of Islam we non-Muslims can appreciate and admire. How much Islam can contribute to the far greater problems we all face? We shouldn’t be hounding those nervous or pious women in their niqabs. Their choice of clothing is as irrelevant as that of Goths….”

The issue has taken a nasty turn in the Netherlands, a country no stranger to controversy in its support of the inflammatorily religiously inciting film, Submission. The government is on the verge of backing a landmark proposal submitted by the Immigration Minister, Rita Verdonk, to invoke a public ban of the burqa.

An estimated 1 million Muslims live in the Netherlands, out of a population of 16 million. The guardian believes only a few hundred women regularly wear the burqa, however, the BBC quoted no fewer than 100 women.

This poses a very serious question. Why are a marginal number of Muslim women wearing the burqa, being targeted for possible legal precedents?

" The existing laws are sufficient for dealing with the problems. It's over the top, a law for a dozen people!," said Ayhan Tonca, chairman of the Dutch Muslim organization, (CMO), an umbrella group of an alliance of Dutch Muslim organisations.

This is racism in its simplest form. Such a ruling will undoubtedly have a domino effect across Europe, with Italy eagerly waiting in the wings.

Although France and Turkey are infamous for curtailing religious freedoms, other European nations have not gone unnoticed.

Since the collapse of the Berlin wall, Germany has re-invented itself as a dynamic and vibrant multicultural society, shaking off its segregated past in the process. But the ‘new’ Germany conveniently forgets to tell the world it has a law in place, banning teachers from wearing head scarves, (the hijab), in public schools.

Belgium is also another State seeking to emulate its neighbours. The city of Maaseik, on the Dutch border, already enforces the niqāb ban, but wants to impose a nationwide ban.

But recent polls, undertaken by Ipsos Mori on behalf of the Greater London Authority, suggest Tony Blair, Jack Straw and the rest of the supporting cast, (including the media), have failed in their plans to create a segregated utopia.

In its findings, 75% of those polled in the city, supported the right of Muslims, and those of other faiths, to dress "in accordance with their religious beliefs"; 76% balked at the idea of the government dictating how people should live their lives; and a resounding 94%, shared similar sentiments, by disagreeing with the media having a right to dictate lives.

Buzz terms such as ‘assimilation’, ‘integration’ and the barrier to social ’cohesion’ are constantly being flouted to mask the media’s true motives of injecting the fabricated war of ‘us against them’ to the public, reminiscent of the George Bush school of thought.

This has led the widely supported socialist block to strongly defend the Muslim community.

On the 18th November, a people’s assembly was organised by The Stop the War Coalition lobby in Camden Centre, north London. The panel showcased renowned speakers from differing religious and political beliefs, in a display of strength and unity against the government’s continual witch hunt against Muslims.

It’s ironic the Netherlands, once seen as a successful, tolerant, multi-cultural community, is taking such despotic measures. Even more alarming is the government and the national media’s refusal to debate the findings of a parliamentary report published in 2004, before reaching its final decision on the public burqa ban. The report, embarrassingly, mirrors secular France by describing Dutch society as increasingly polarised, with a huge ethnic ghetto divide and subcultures tearing the country apart. The report blamed successive Dutch governments for failing to create a truly integrated multiethnic society.

Is the rest of Europe heading towards a downward spiral of community and religious segregation? Only if Governments repeatedly persist in ‘ghettoising’ communities by dividing, isolating and alienating them, for the sake of fulfilling repressive political legislation.

http://www.islamicawakening.com/view...rticleID=1288&

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FatimaAsSideqah
04-15-2007, 11:15 PM
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Important advice to the Muslim community in light of the debate over the veil

All praise is due to Allah and may His peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family and all his Companions.

In light of the ongoing debate over the veil and the comments made by Jack Straw and others, we the undersigned would like to present the following important advice to the Muslim community here in the UK, irrespective of school of thought, sect or organisation.

  1. The Muslim community should remain united regardless of its differences and opinions about the veil. This request is in response to the countless number of Quranic and Prophetic traditions that command Muslims to be united. Among these is the Quranic verse that says, ‘Hold fast, all together, to the rope of Allah and do not be disunited.’ [translation of 3:103]
  2. We strongly condemn any attempt by any individual or organisation to create disunity in the Muslim community. We see such a move as an attempt to create friction and disruption in the whole society through indirect discrimination. It is the nature of modern pluralistic societies to be constituted from different communities coexisting peacefully as a single political entity. It is completely irrational, when trying to achieve community cohesion, to instigate disunity and racial tension.
  3. The veil, irrespective of its specific juristic rulings, is an Islamic practice and not a cultural or a customary one as is agreed by the consensus of Muslim scholars; it is not open to debate. We advise all Muslims to exercise extreme caution in this issue, since denying any part of Islam may lead to disbelief. Not practicing something enjoined by Allah and His Messenger (Salla-Allahu alaihi wa sallam) - regardless its legal status (i.e., whether obligatory, recommended or praiseworthy) - is a shortcoming; denying it is much more serious. Allah says in the Qur’an: ‘It is not for a believer, man or woman, that they should have any option in their decision when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has indeed strayed in a plain error.’ [translation of 33:36]
  4. We recognise the fact that Muslims hold different views regarding the veil, but we urge all members of the Muslim community to keep this debate within the realms of scholarly discussion amongst the people of knowledge and authority in the Muslim community. Allah says in the Qur’an, ‘When there comes to them news of some matter touching (public) safety or fear, they spread it (among the people); if only they had referred it to the Messenger or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have understood it from them (directly).’ [translation of 4:83] In another Quranic verse, we read the following instruction, ‘So ask those who know if you know not.’ [translation of 16:43 and 21:7]
  5. Furthermore, we warn Muslim individuals and organisations to avoid seeking to capitalise on this debate in order to further political or personal interests. Such despicable tactics are judged by Islam as working against the interests of our faith and the Muslim community, and are, accordingly, a matter condemned in the strongest possible terms. Allah says in the Qur’an, ‘The believers, men and women, are Awliya' (allies, helpers, friends, protectors) of one another.’ [translation of 9:71] The Prophet (Salla-Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said, ‘A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim; he does not oppress him, betray him, mislead or fail him.’
  6. We would like to call upon all members of the Muslim community to show solidarity against criticising the veil or any other Islamic practice as this might prove to be a stepping-stone towards further restrictions. Today the veil, tomorrow it could be the beard, jilbab and thereafter the headscarf! Such a strategy, unfortunately, has been widely used by many European countries. Similarly, we feel that this campaign may be employed to gauge the response of the Muslim community. Therefore, our reply should be firm, sending a clear and powerful message to those who are trying to promote the banning of the veil or any other common Islamic practice. We, the Muslim community, will not tolerate such attitudes nor will we compromise on our values and common customs. All Muslim women, especially those who wear the veil, should play a major role in this response since their voice will be the most effective.
  7. We understand the viewpoint of those who may find the veil a barrier to communication. However, we believe that the level of discomfort caused is insignificant, particularly when compared to the discomfort and problems that result from other common and less widely condemned practices such as sexual promiscuity, nudity and alcohol consumption by other segments of society. Moreover, we feel that it is against the interests of the whole society to single out a significant part of it, such as the Muslim community, or to put them under the spotlight and abuse them for their practices, as is now an oft- recurring theme in the media.
  8. The unexpected and ruthless reaction of the media over the past few weeks on this issue gives an indication that there is a political agenda behind this campaign. It is very disappointing that the media and many politicians dealt with this issue as if it is the greatest national concern. This becomes more apparent when observing the already tense climate facing Muslims, which is contributing towards creating hostility in the wider society against the Muslim community. Therefore, Muslims should take this matter seriously and defend the veil with all their ability. This could be a battle of “to be or not to be” for Muslims in the UK. We urge all brothers and sisters to strive in countering these attacks by utilising the various avenues open to them including sending letters to the relevant authorities, their MPs, human rights activists, and so on. The most important guideline to observe is to react in a wise, sensible and responsible manner and avoid any action that might be used as an excuse for furthering any unfavourable agenda.
  9. We would like to advise the sisters who observe the veil/niqab in the work-place or in educational premises to avoid making it a matter of dispute between them and their employers or school authority. Such disputes will attract more unnecessary media attention, and thus may cause various negative consequences including the imposition of certain dress codes in work places, and in turn, used as justification to legislate further restrictions on wearing it in other areas.
  10. Finally, let it be noted that we appreciate the noticeable level of understanding and tolerance shown by considerable parts of the wider society towards many Islamic practices. However, we ask all society to deal with the Muslim community without prejudice, and to exercise genuine openness and tolerance towards Islamic practices, even those they may not like, as this is the real test of tolerance to others. Furthermore, we urge people to be supportive for a woman’s right to wear the veil as on one hand, this complies with the values upon which western civilization was founded - the protection of human and religious rights; and on the other hand, these practices aim to promote values of modesty, decency and good-manners all of which should be the aspiration of any peaceful society.
  11. We conclude by asking Almighty Allah to guide us to that which is better and to make truth and justice prevail in British society as a whole.


Signed (in alphabetical order):

1. Dr Daud Abdullah
Deputy Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)

2. Khurram Bashir Amin
Trustee and Editor, Monthly Dawn, Central Mosque, Birmingham

3. Munir Ashi
Chairman, Dar ul-Isra Islamic Centre, Cardiff

4. Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari
Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)

5. Shakeel Begg
Imam, Lewisham Mosque, London

6. Mufti Mohammed Zubair Butt
Sharia Adviser, Institute of Islamic Jurisprudence, Bradford

7. Moulana Ilyas Dalal
Head teacher, Ilaahi Masjid, Dewsbury

8. Dr. Khalid Fekry
Imam, al-Taqwa Organization, London

9. Sulaiman Gani
Lecturer in Islamic Studies, Tooting Islamic Centre, London

10. Moosa Gora
Islamic Scholar, Jame Mosque Batley, West Yorkshire

11. Shaykh Haitham Al-Haddad
Director of Muslim Research and Development Foundation (MRDF), London

12. Dr. Suhaib Hasan
Secretary, Islamic Sharia Council U.K. & Ireland; Chairman, Masjid and Madrasa Al-Tawhid Trust, London

13. Muhammad ibn Ismail
Imam, Al-Medinah Masjid, Brighton

14. Hafeezullah Khan
Editor-in-chief, Sirat-e-Mustaqeem, Monthly Magazine, Birmingham

15. Dr Khalid Khan
Imam, Lambeth Islamic Cultural Centre, London

16. Wakkas Khan
President, Federation of Student Islamic Societies (FOSIS)

17. Shaykh Amjad Mohammed
Head Teacher of Olive Secondary School, Bradford

18. Shaykh Ashraf Osmani
Imam, Markazi Masjid Northampton (MMN), Northampton

19. Ismail Patel
Chairman, Friends of Al-Aqsa, Leicester

20. S. M. Abdul Qayum
Head Imam and Khateeb, East London Mosque, London

21. Abdul Fattah Saad
Director of al-Muntada al-Islami Trust, London

22. Qari Zakaullah Saleem
Imam, Green Lane Mosque, Birmingham.

23. Massoud Shadjareh
Chair, Islamic Human Rights Commission

24. Mohammad Sawalha
President, British Muslim Initiative (BMI), London

25. Shaykh Haytham Tamim
Chairman of Utrujj Foundation, Educational, Training and Research Institute, London

26. Mawlana Abdul Hadi Umri
President - Islamic Judiciary Board, Birmingham

27. Dr Imran Waheed
Representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, London


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Umm Yoosuf
04-16-2007, 06:27 PM
Assalaamu Alaikum

This is way off topic. Stick to the topic at hand. Thank you :)
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FBI
04-16-2007, 06:40 PM
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I'll never refer to them as "Ninjas'" again :)
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