This is my post from another froum
A reply to an atheist .I apologizes for the sarcasm and slang that I have used. It is used just to show the kind of attitude I faced when explaining Islam. My English is not very good I avoided making mistakes as much as possible but if you still find some just ignore it.
Dear brother mughal from what I could gather about you, You seem to be an intelligent and thinking man, but it seems you went so deep in thinking and finding answers That you have gone astray, there are many reverts to Islam who in their ignorance hated Islam with all their heart one such brother was “AbdAllah - Journey from Hinduism” – who said he would rather die than convert to Islam. You can download his video at http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam/...p?name=Downloa
I don’t have as much knowledge as you have, but, Allah thankfully has given me more intelligence and power of reasoning than some of the cousins of apes. (Darwin lovers)
I don’t know whether I will be able to convince you or not, its upto Allah, but anyway here we go….
Let’s leave religion aside for a movement and ask ourselves does god exist?
One way we can say every creation has a creator right?
Everything that is not man made has a creator and he is one and only, Allah. So man is also creator he/she has also created things like cars, planes, not to forget nuclear bombs and many other things right?
Man is not a creator he cannot create, he/she only has the power to convert (that also limited) one thing into another like taking things that already exist and making different types of things from it. Man cannot create a single atom. To create means to produce things out of nothing and it is only Allah that can do it. He just has to say be and it is. (word manipulators, twisters and truth benders please note god has no gender,” he “Is just used here for a reference and don’t ask me why not she unless you belong to the federation of feminist apes.)Even if we say that every creation has a creator, than who created god?
Please, from the colony of apes you must now cross over to the colony of humans, Allah honors us by saying that humans are the best of his creation. Because we have intelligence and logic, so if every creation has a creator we run around in a circle, like some apes do, stop!
Since creation like planets, humans and other things exist which cannot be denied the logical and rational Explanation is that there already exists some thing from which everything came and nobody created it
And that my fellow human beings and also some beings that are in process of crossing over to human race, is Allah the eternal god.
.Oh! I hear some apes growling, man they are after my blood, and they want to tear me apart Drink my blood, and they are shouting Evolution! Evolution! What is evolution anyway? Well! It is certainly not a strict Christian school where small little monkeys are evolved into big intelligent rational thinking apes. Well! Then what it is Mikey?
is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations. So evolution has stages, so counting backwards From last stage then stages previous to the last one then again another stage previous to the last one… Come-on go on, go on….Man I’m tired this is it, this is the first stage. This tiny itsy bitsy cell organism or what ever it is this is where evolution started.
Well, who created this first stage, if it really happened this way? Dam!
Back to running in circle like apes.
Elementary my dear ape-son, elementary! Make a wild guess with your pea size intelligence its Allah the eternal god!
That’s right, and let me tell you what you didn’t win a twenty volume encyclopedia on monkey brain Also you have not won a years supply of free bananas that’s not all you have also not won a free trip to the planet of apes!
Knock! Knock! Whose there? Son you don’t know us? Who monkey brains?
We the scientist, the most intelligent of the species. We can prove anything; we have formulas, theories and assumptions And if we prove some things after sometime we go back to our thinking board And prove new things that proves that our earlier proof was not really sound proof You see we keep on discovering new evidence things changes so we also must not be Consistent We can prove that a^ 2 + b^2 = c ^2
You mean monkey brains ^ 2 + intelligence ^ 2 = moron ^2
What about god?
Son there is no god and we have no formula for god. We have proof for everything and what we cannot explain we have theories.
So sir how our earth came into being? Well, in the beginning there was a mass of gaseous state And then there was a big bang
You mean like a monkey fart when it has a sever case of indigestion Because it cannot digest the food of rational and logical thinking!
You just listen, boy!Ok.After the fart, err… we mean explosion, This matter was scattered and formed planets, sun and stars The earth began spinning and it cooled down and water was formed and by chance/accident That bloody tiny itsy bitsy cell organism or whatever came into existence And blah, blah, blah….
Ok, you said in the beginning, what was there before the beginning?
You said by chance/accident life began. So? Well I have a collection of delicate and beautiful glasses, they are about a million trillion in numbers
Now, I am going to drop them one by one on the ground what will happen to them? Err... They will break into tiny pieces. You just wait! I am ready to drop all my collection but tell me when this glass instead of breaking into tiny pieces, when will they by chance/accident will be transformed into small pieces of beautiful glass with intricate design on them.
Hey you! Don’t run just wait! From where this gaseous matter came from?
You know son we discover new things everyday and when we know where the gaseous matter came from we will contact you, say about in trillion years
.Move away you as***les let me enter I am the big daddy of all the monkey brains from the planet of apes, I am atheist the numb brain, let me first start with abusing, insulting, making fun, twisting facts
.Let me put on my brain numbing cap, before I show this ajazz the terrorist his right place Tell me how many people you Muslim terrorist killed
Let’s see, about three thousand on 9/11
You liar, you cheater, how can you include those there is no clear evidence that you Dimwit terrorist can carry out such a large and sophisticated plan you; you have no brains like us
.Ok let’s see we kill on daily basis the Iraqis dozens and dozens of them you! You small scale terrorist how can you take credit for such brilliant plan Don’t you know people question why Iraqis want to kill their own brothers and sisters and children? I will let you on a little secret; it’s our brother in arms the Israelis and CIA this is a beautiful plan to divide the country into smaller parts so we can rule it easily. Don’t you dare camper yourself with us? We have our George holy missile Bush he alone killed thousands and thousands of you in Iraq and Afghanistan, that to sitting in his comfortable office and while playing golf You see this is how things are done you can learn from us, but you are too dimwit. We the powerful nation we obliterated millions of Japanese Do you want more examples, take it Vietnam, Korea so don’t you dare compare yourself with us, You! You miniscule terrorist. We are the big daddy! Now bring on your freaking questions
Something about god.
Who? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO?
Err…just cool down ok, have a banana juice. You numskull, dip sh*t desert rat. (By the way I’m an Indian rat) Don’t you know we only believe when we see with our own eyes, hear with our own ears, feel with our own hands, and smell with our own nose?
When we fart the smell goes through our own nose and then enters our brain enlightening us. This is what we believe in, testing evidence.
You mean if I switch off your taste buds and put off lights and offer you Darwin sh*t instead of Jello beans and you know what Jello beans taste like. You will gladly eat it because you are hungry?
You want to see god, your freaking button eyes are unable to see the infrared rays that are emitted from the TV remote, but they exist and you freaking cannot deny it.
You want to hear god, your freaking ears cannot hear the dog whistle because it is beyond you hearing range, but you cannot deny it
You want to touch god, you cannot put your bloody hand in boiling water for few minutes
Dam! Dam! Dam! Don’t you worry we will come back let us think new ways to twist, manipulate, Invent lies and then we will come back to you, we never change we have our blinkers firmly fixed by superglue
Not again Who is it?
Peace and blessing!
Oh no! , Miniscule terrorist?
No, just a regular guy with average intelligence and logical mind. Who does not think toooo deep, just enough to be counted among human race
.The deeper you dive less the chances of you surfacing. Man,
You are, miniscule terrorist go away! You have a very bad reputation
Listen there are lies and dam lies and there are statistics
so you are goanna answer the questions?
I will try my best take it or leave it
Ok, is there a god?
Why there shouldn’t be god? All logical explanation and circumstantial evidence points towards him. Circumstantial what’s that?
First you must leave all your prejudice in your bag. You must reflect and wonder at the things god created the universe the stars, our earth, our surroundings. Allah says if you want proof why you don’t look at his creation just think about it.
Have you wondered how small the atom is there are millions of them on a pin head Even atoms are made of smaller parts know as electrons and neutrons and who knows there may be further division of them
. Now look at the sun. The Sun's diameter is 864,938 miles (1,391,980 km).It would take 109 earths to stretch across the sun, and it would take over one million earths to "fill up" the sun if it were hollow. The great star Betelgeuse is about 700 times bigger than our Sun (and roughly 50 times as massive). Betelgeuse is also about 14,000 times brighter than the Sun. Light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second or 700 million miles an hour The distance light can travel in a year is called a "light year." The light year is one of the basic measures of distance for astronomy. Light coming from the sun takes eight and one half minutes to hit Earth. (This means that if the sun were suddenly to go dark, it would take over eight minute for us to notice)Light from the nearest stars, other than the sun, takes four and a half years to get here. From the farthest stars in distant galaxies it can take billions of years for the light to arrive.
Allah challenges the humans to try and travel in space to reach to the end of the universe And Allah says you will only be able to do it with special power and permission from him
Everything in this world has a purpose right from an atom to the huge stars. And everything works according to the rules laid down by Allah. The purpose of the sun is to give energy to the earth so that life can be sustained on earth. The sun does its job without rebelling day in and day out. The earth is tilted towards its axis precisely as it should be and it rotates and travels precisely in an orbit as it should, so that life on earth can be supported. Imagine if earth suddenly slows down what will happen? But it does not because it cannot disobey the command of Allah. Allah has laid for it rules on how it should behave and it does just that. If you want to further enlightened yourself watch national geographic channel or better still visit the website www.harunyahya.com
Bloody nonsense! Crap! Go tell this to your mama. I don’t believe this mumbo jumbo
.Blinkers! Blinkers! Firmly placed by superglue
Man! All this reflect, enlighten, bullsh*t, I am no philosopher or great thinker man“Just think about it” just think about my ass.I want to see god plain and simple, got it?
Ok let me get down to your level of intelligence. Allah says in the holly Quran :( So I do call to witness what ye see* and what ye see not) (SURAH AL HAKAH:54)
Our eyes even though amazing piece of creation has a great limitation. There are many, many things that are going on around us which we are unable to notice because they are happening so fast or so slow. Only if we record it with special cameras and slow down or speed up the frame rate of the video we are able to see the wonders of Allah’s creation. The best part is if there is no light we can’t see a freaking thing!
Allah says that those he misguides he puts a veil over their eyes. Therefore for a believer the truth of Allah is a plain truth. But for the unbelievers it is the opposite that he sees. Today the scientists are trying to do what Allah does so flawlessly. (They will not succeed unless Allah wills)
Our eyes convert the visual image into electrical signals which are feed to the brain.So our brain actually sees and not our eyes!
Scientists today are trying to inject electrical signals directly to the brain bypassing the eye.Can you imagine the possibility of use and abuse that can take place if the scientists succeed.
So you see, when you reflect, think, ponder at the Allah’s creation you are actually seeing the god only you are using a part of your brain instead of your eyes.
Look man stop misguiding you are just twisting and playing with words. You know there are whole lots of questions that are still un-answered and they fry my brains when I think about them
You say Allah is the most merciful, the just, the most powerful, Look around you we can abuse Allah, say filthy things about him and his prophet and still no lightning strikes us! And you say he is most powerful ha! Look around you there is so much injustice in this world; people are killing one another, and you say he is just? These are the most important and best questions to ask
Have you heard the word hierarchy?
Hierarchy: A structure that has a predetermined ordering from high to low
Lets take example of supposedly the best system of governance the us democracy Currently at the top sits George Holy Missile Bush And down the order follows his cronies Rice and cornflake Friendly friend shooter the dick And the rest of them. Suppose someone named jack who works as a clerk at a very low level in the government. And one day jack says GHMB is a figfart and not fit to be the president of USA, he is killer of innocent men women and children. What do you think? Will GHMB, on one fine morning descend on the front door of jack with his missiles, ring the bell and says I am GHMB and I am goanna fry your ass because you challenged and abused me. No man he will not descend, because jack is low down the Hierarchy, GHMB will personally not get involved if he is enough offended he may act indirectly and have jack dismissed from the job. Now
Lets imagine suppose the same words “GHMB is a fig art and not fit to be the president of USA, he is killer of innocent men women and children.” Are uttered by misuse Rice and cornflake What do you think will happen? Man at the first thing in the morning she will find at her door is GHMB with his nuclear arsenal and all the US army recalled from Iraq, GHMB will intervene directly. Because she is at a higher level in the Hierarchy And has the potential to cause damage to GHMB. Similarly the stars, the sun, the earth, even every atom, and we human beings are at different level in hierarchy. For example, the sun cannot say I had enough now I must take a break and stop producing heat. The sun cannot do this because if it does you know what will happen Therefore Allah has not given the permission to the sun to rebel It has no free will; same with the earth it cannot stop spinning unless Allah tells it to. They have to follow the rules strictly that Allah laid down for them. For us Allah has given free will, intelligence, rational and logical thinking and freedom to rebel. BUT HE HAS KEPT US AT A LOW LEVEL IN THE HIERAECHY Because of this no matter what we utter, how much we abuse, rebel, we cannot damage Allah or his system, he does not need to intervene directly. Sometimes Allah does intervene in-directly or even directly (it is up to him) When Prophet Moses (pbuh) insisted that he wanted to see Allah, Allah said you won’t be able to take it, but still Moses (pbuh) insisted so Allah showed just a fleeting glance and Moses (pbuh) fainted.
What about the most merciful part? Uh! Tell me! Tell me about it
Plain and simple! In spite people calling him filthy names, abusing his prophets, rebelling against him. He does not strike them with lightning instead he is ready to forgive if you repent and return to the true path of Islam. Tell me how many of you show mercy on the forum when someone abuses you and opposes your ideas? Since how long people are abusing and mocking Allah? But he is the most merciful that’s why he has kept the lightning for other purpose and not for striking infidels.
You are getting on my nerve man, justice! Justice!
Suppose a man shoots another man some where in New York Will justice be done immediately? First he will be arrested and then tried in the court of law and if found guilty he will be punished and this may take years. Allah has given us intelligence and power of reasoning that is why we are progressing In the field of science and technology but Allah has also attached a rider to his creation That my friend is time, which ages everything that has been created and everything that has a beginning has end and every soul shall taste death. Sun will not burn forever and earth will not rotate forever. Everything created is moving towards a final destination. And that is the day of repayment, and Allah says anyone who has done an atoms weight of good will be shown and anyone who has done an atoms weight of bad will be shown, on the day of repayment. Whether you are a Muslim or non-Muslim. So justice will be done no doubt about it but at its appointed time. Do I need to say anything about being powerful?If man can make nuclear bombs you can imagine the power of Allah! The creator of universe
.Err... nice argument but I have to think new ways to counter you,