Love or Desire (A good article to read Insh'Allah)

[*ProudMuslimah*]

:sl: dear :brother: s and :sister: s in faith,

Long but worth the read Insh'Allah ;)
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Love or Desire,

Respected Brother/Sister in Islam

Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakatuhu

Where in the world, are the Muslim youth getting their ideals about love, marriage and family?

In Bahrain, a teenage Muslim princess ran away from her family, her home and country forever, putting her life in jeopardy in order to marry an American marine she hardly knew. She made a decision, that she can never take back, to Iive a life of exile and sin. If asked why, she did this, she would naturally say she did it for "love."

Where in the world, are the Muslim youth getting their ideals about love, marriage and family? Are we turninq to the Qur'an and the Sunnah of in Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam? Unfortunately, we do not.

In the Indian subcontinent, we're turning to Indian films; In America and possibly the rest of the world, we're turning to Hollywood.

Bombay, a famous mainstream Indian film, features a Muslim girl who falls in love and ultimately marries Hindu boy. At the beginning of the film, she is shown in niqab. By the end, she is dressing like a Hindu. After her family refuses to allow their marriage, the girl runs away and does not speak to them for six years. At the end her parents come to her and all are happy.

Hollywood, one of the largest influences in the world, plays a huge role in the formation of concepts about love, marriage, and family. These films portray men and women who are "in love." And yet, often times the individual they "love" will be someone they just saw or spoke to briefly. Suddenly, however they are willing to lose their spouse, their family, their job, their life, and even their Lord. It is, therefore, more correct to say that they make these sacrifices because their desires have become their God. Allah speaks of these people when He says: "Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?" [45:23]

But yet these very same people that Allah has described in His book as most astray have become our example and ideal. In 1998, Titanic, grossing more than 1 billion dollars in sales worldwide, became the most popular movie across the globe. The story features a young girl of age 17 who is engaged to be married. After meeting and ultimately falling in love with another man, the young girl cheats on her fiance and disobeys her mother. Both the mother and the fiance are shown as superficial in order to make her disloyalty more acceptable.

The messages of these films are very penetrating. The most powerful message is: if you sacrifice for "love", all will be well in the end. In other words, if you disregard your religion, your farmily, your God, following only your desires, you will be rewarded in the end.

If we look to America, we can see the clear effects of these misshapen concepts. 'Why has divorce reached the unprecedented rate of 40-60%? I believe the answer lies in the misconstrued definition of what true love and marriage actually is. These movies feature the wedding as the end of the movie, and thus marriage is seen as the end of a love story, rather than the beginning.

What effect does this have on our society, on our youth in particular? Who are the victims of these misconstrued ideals? What is the basis of the "love" portrayed in these movies? What criterion will young Muslims affected by these images use when choosing a spouse? Will they follow the Sunnah of the Prophet, sallallalhu alayhi wa sallam, who says the one who marries for deen is blessed? Or, will they base their choice on an empty, fleeting attraction disguised as "love"? If the youth begin to choose their spouses based on this ephemeral emotion rather than on deen, what effect will that have on the Ummah as a whole? Will not more families be broken due to divorce and strife? Will not more youth be forced to cut ties with their families (assuming they do not agree)? Will not more children be raised far from Islam?

Thus, we should be aware and guard ourselves and our children from this deceptive tool of Satan. Allah describes those people who only follow their desires numerous times throughout the Qur'an. Let us not be among those who Allah describes as most astray and let those not become our ideals. "Who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, devoid of guidance from Allah? For Allah guides not people given to wrongdoing" [28: 50]


Yasmin Mogahed
Al Jumuah - Vol 13 Issue 8/9

Insh'Allah I hope we all benefit from this :)

:w:

[Ummu Amatullah]

Jazakallah sis.We benefited from this in a big way.Could agree with you when it comes to America and divorces.Man this country is full of divorces.thanks anyways.

[*!~Faith~!*]

In Bahrain, a teenage Muslim princess ran away from her family, her home and country forever, putting her life in jeopardy in order to marry an American marine she hardly knew. She made a decision, that she can never take back, to Iive a life of exile and sin. If asked why, she did this, she would naturally say she did it for "love."

Which ended in a divorce.

Jazakallah Khair for the beneficial article sis :)

[the1andonlyomar]

An excellent article sister, Jazaakallah Khairun For Sharing.

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[Mariayam]

that's so true and scarry. They bombard you with that message. They try to brain wash you and decieve you. May Allah protect us all.

[sadia]

excellent article.

[Protected_Diamond]

masha Allah beautiful article jazahka Allah khayr :)

[Abu-Dalha]

JazakAllah wonderful article sister keep it up. :thumbs_up :thumbs_up

[taebah]

Love or Desire
Where in the world, are the Muslim youth getting their ideals about love, marriage and family?

by Yasmin Mogahed, Al Jumuah Vol 13 Issue 8/9


In Bahrain, a teenage Muslim princess ran away from her family, her home and country forever, putting her life in jeopardy in order to marry an American marine she hardly knew. She made a decision, that she can never take back, to Iive a life of exile and sin. If asked why she did this, she would naturally say she did it for "love."

Where in the world, are the Muslim youth getting their ideals about love, marriage and family? Are we turninq to the Qur'an and the Sunnah of in Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam? Unfortunately, we do not.

In the Indian subcontinent, we're turning to Indian films; In America and possibly the rest of the world, we're turning to Hollywood.

Bombay, a famous mainstream Indian film, features a Muslim girl who falls in love and ultimately marries Hindu boy. At the beginning of the film, she is shown in niqab. By the end, she is dressing like a Hindu. After her family refuses to allow their marriage, the girl runs away and does not speak to them for six years. At the end her parents come to her and all are happy.

Hollywood, one of the largest influences in the world, plays a huge role in the formation of concepts about love, marriage, and family. These films portray men and women who are "in love." And yet, often times the individual they "love" will be someone they just saw or spoke to briefly. Suddenly, however they are willing to lose their spouse, their family, their job, their life, and even their Lord. It is, therefore, more correct to say that they make these sacrifices because their desires have become their God. Allah speaks of these people when He says: "Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?" [45:23]

But yet these very same people that Allah has described in His book as most astray have become our example and ideal. In 1998, Titanic, grossing more than 1 billion dollars in sales worldwide, became the most popular movie across the globe. The story features a young girl of age 17 who is engaged to be married. After meeting and ultimately falling in love with another man, the young girl cheats on her fiance and disobeys her mother. Both the mother and the fiance are shown as superficial in order to make her disloyalty more acceptable.

The messages of these films are very penetrating. The most powerful message is: if you sacrifice for "love", all will be well in the end. In other words, if you disregard your religion, your farmily, your God, following only your desires, you will be rewarded in the end.

If we look to America, we can see the clear effects of these misshapen concepts. 'Why has divorce reached the unprecedented rate of 40-60%? I believe the answer lies in the misconstrued definition of what true love and marriage actually is. These movies feature the wedding as the end of the movie, and thus marriage is seen as the end of a love story, rather than the beginning.

What effect does this have on our society, on our youth in particular? Who are the victims of these misconstrued ideals? What is the basis of the "love" portrayed in these movies? What criterion will young Muslims affected by these images use when choosing a spouse? Will they follow the Sunnah of the Prophet, sallallalhu alayhi wa sallam, who says the one who marries for deen is blessed? Or, will they base their choice on an empty, fleeting attraction disguised as "love"? If the youth begin to choose their spouses based on this ephemeral emotion rather than on deen, what effect will that have on the Ummah as a whole? Will not more families be broken due to divorce and strife? Will not more youth be forced to cut ties with their families (assuming they do not agree)? Will not more children be raised far from Islam?

Thus, we should be aware and guard ourselves and our children from this deceptive tool of Satan. Allah describes those people who only follow their desires numerous times throughout the Qur'an. Let us not be among those who Allah describes as most astray and let those not become our ideals. "Who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, devoid of guidance from Allah? For Allah guides not people given to wrongdoing" [28:50]

[Noor]

AssalamuAlaikum

JazakAllahkhair fe Dunya wal Akhira for sharing this thought provoking article.

Titanic: The story features a young girl of age 17 who is engaged to be married. After meeting and ultimately falling in love with another man, the young girl cheats on her fiance and disobeys her mother. Both the mother and the fiance are shown as superficial in order to make her disloyalty more acceptable.

I never looked at the movie in that aspect. SubhanAllah, many of the youth today are truly blinded by sinister ways.


WaAlaikumSalaam

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

yup, i agree with Noor subhanallah..

Jazak Allah khair for the article sis :)

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

[ishkabab]

Excellant sis....these are great examples thatu've given ....!!

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
mashallah great article sis
jazakallah for sharing
wasalam

[Sahabiyaat]

In Bahrain, a teenage Muslim princess ran away from her family, her home and country forever, putting her life in jeopardy in order to marry an American marine she hardly knew. She made a decision, that she can never take back, to Iive a life of exile and sin. If asked why she did this, she would naturally say she did it for "love."[/B]

i've watched this film (a true story), came on recently
The Princess and the Marine
the way they portray the story is like the girl is sufocating in her enviroment ( namely in an enviroment where she must wear hjaab, avoid men and pray)
and that she must escape to the land of the free.. 'America'.
so stupid.....and to think its a true story...

[uzzi]

:sl:
i know muslim girls n boys go astray n deviate from their path.one of my friend too wants to get married to a hindu girl.i would like to know whether the marriage wil last n wil the parents except or not.

[- Qatada -]

:sl:
i know muslim girls n boys go astray n deviate from their path.one of my friend too wants to get married to a hindu girl.i would like to know whether the marriage wil last n wil the parents except or not.

:wasalamex


The brother can not get married to a hindu. he can either get married to a muslim, christian or jew and no other faith. Even though it would be alot better if he got married to a muslim woman because there are lots of muslim women who dont have husbands, so its important that they have partners and someone can take care of them.

But this is what the scholars say about marrying christian, jewish women.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


Originally, it is permissible for a Muslim man to marry a woman from among the People of the Book. Referring to this, Allah Almighty says, (This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.) (Al-Ma'idah 5: 5)



With the above in mind, we should affirm that it is better for a Muslim to marry a Muslim woman. In case a Muslim wants to marry a non-Muslim woman from among the People of the Book, then he should be keen to remind her of belief in One God.



Answering the question in point, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi,President of the Fiqh Council of North America, states the following:


It is permissible for a Muslim man to marry a Kitabi (Jewish or Christian) woman (see surat al-Ma'idah 5:5), but it is certainly better for a Muslim to marry a Muslim woman. According to some jurists, the permission to marry a Kitabi woman is only for those people who are living in a Muslim State. Those who are living in non-Muslim societies, it is better for them to have Muslim wives. In this way it will be easy for them to keep their home fully Islamic and it will be easier for them to raise their children in an Islamic manner.

Christians and Jews both claim that they believe in one God. Jews in their prayers declare "Shema'" which means, "Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is one God." Similarly Christians also say in their creed, "We believe in One God" but then they confuse their belief in the unity of God with the Trinity. Islam emphasized pure tawhid and took away all the confusions that were created in the concept of monotheism by many Jews and Christians. It is good that a Muslim be keen to remind both Jews and Christians to believe and affirm their faith in One God, especially if one is marrying a person and they both want to be life partners for each others.

You can also read:

Marriage to a Christian Woman: Unrestrictedly Permitted?

Marrying a Non-Muslim Male

Allah Almighty knows best.

source:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...EAskTheScholar


:salamext:

[shanu]

I dont really watch love movies
But i dont understand y ppl throw away the ppl, education, position they had from da day they were born, for a man they hardly know?
They r blinded! But sadly not all these lovers are sincere
As a person i knew, gave up everytg 4 her love and ended up being cheated after he gt physically close to her. Now her education, family life and everything is down the drain. Its sad, but many ppl dont realise it while they fall in love, its only after they feel the pain of falling into it, they realise that true love is only after marriage.
Many view marriage as a seurity n never classifies it as true love, as everyone feels its only logical that u love ur wife or husband. But they are forgetting smtg? In a marriage, you are practically living with the other partner, u see his sorrows, happiness, sadness, all the problems he has, is not only his, but urs too? If he fails in a business, you put in faith. The hurdles you meet after marriage are often overseen and not classified as love.As ppl feel its logical that you have to stick with ur spouse tru sadness n happiness. What is "love" before marriage compared to this? Most lovers only have fights sparked off among themselves n solve dem n pretend as if it a hurdle n label it as true love. Who r they fighting against? Parents? Parents who transformed their blood n sweat as milk n fed them???who grew them when they were helpless infants? Sisters and bros who supported them? What they meet be4 marriage is nothing compared to what they meet after marriage. Because after marriage, whether good o bad, u stick together as superglue n enrich your relationship. Now thats what i classify true love :)

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

mashallah, it's a good advice
ws

[taebah]

Jazaakum Allahu khairan to all.

Passionate love, by definition, is an intense desire that has sexual arousal at its base. Passionate love, after the fulfillment of the sexual desire it was based on, wares off. Therefore passionate love is not enough to attain the security and comfort we as human beings seek in our relationships.

We need passionate love, intimacy, and a sense of commitment to make our relationships work, and actually last.

This is why in our marriages we need to strive to ensure that our relationship fulfills our needs on all levels: psychologically, emotionally, physically, etc. Before all of this of course is the intention we keep behind our marriages--worship to Allah, and striving to maintain a righteous household that is the first step in building a healthy society. Our marital relationships should be based on mutual trust, respect, compassion, empathy and communication.

The images we see in the media are hardly reflective of what it takes to actually keep a relationship going, or how to get one started in the first place.

[Snowflake]

:sl:

Great post Taebah sis. JazakAllah for bringing up this very important issue.

Education begins from a mothers lap. It is a little too late when parents who've sat and watched such films with their children, then throw a barney when their kids go off the rails.

Parents fail to explain do's and don'ts to their children and these are the results. It all boils down to the lack of islamic education and environment at home.

Too many parents say, you can't do this and you can't do that, without ever bothering to explain the repercussions of forbidden acts. Exposure to films/songs that glorify this kind of love will only corrupt young minds. And some old ones too.

Islamic education from an early age, is the only way forward. As they say prevention is better than cure.

:w:

[solid_snake]

love for the win!!! :p

[sapphire]

tht was one goood article...(agree with noor's post bout film) mashallah!!!!jazakallah for sharing!!

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


I really think you should read the:

Fiqh of Love


Its kinda long, but its really beneficial because its from al-maghrib masha Allaah.

Its just the first chapter, and if people are interested in it - i can try to put in the other chapters too.


:wasalamex

[Ghazi]

Salaam

The problem is the amount of mass media we have hitting us daily especially
us muslims who live in the west, the kufar are sending out the messages and
values by Telivision which is an addiction, through this we see haraam on a
mass scale be it,love triangles, background music etc, yet it's considerd as a
norm in many muslim housholds unless we get these nagative things out of our
lives we'll be exposed to them, even though we might not act upon them we'll
have already been exposed to them. For example we'll have an advert which will have semi-naked women thus exciting the males and making him look at women as a piece of sexual meat, also music which could be done through adverts or soundtracks for films, soaps etc, ever wonderd why it's you can think of a song and you'll hear it with CD quality but yet you cant do the same with the quran.

[Musaafirah]

:sl:

Great post Taebah sis. JazakAllah for bringing up this very important issue.

Education begins from a mothers lap. It is a little too late when parents who've sat and watched such films with their children, then throw a barney when their kids go off the rails.

Parents fail to explain do's and don'ts to their children and these are the results. It all boils down to the lack of islamic education and environment at home.

Too many parents say, you can't do this and you can't do that, without ever bothering to explain the repercussions of forbidden acts. Exposure to films/songs that glorify this kind of love will only corrupt young minds. And some old ones too.

Islamic education from an early age, is the only way forward. As they say prevention is better than cure.

:w:

:sl:
gotta say sis..i'm SO with u on that...its so odd wen parents force their kids to attend madrasahz after school or wat not..and then wen the kids come home..wat the 1st see is TV..and the parents expect the kids to be 'religious'..
Alhamdulillah not ALL parents are like that...but in sum cases because the parents are ignorant...they choose to turn a blind eye to wat theur kids do..
am i makin ne sense..or hav i gone off topic?
:w:

[Snowflake]

=islam-truth;160687]Salaam

The problem is the amount of mass media we have hitting us daily especially
us muslims who live in the west, the kufar are sending out the messages

The problem is, muslims choosing to let themselves be influenced by the media. The same exposure stems from muslim countries too. We can't blame the west for our downfalls.

:sl:
gotta say sis..i'm SO with u on that...its so odd wen parents force their kids to attend madrasahz after school or wat not..and then wen the kids come home..wat the 1st see is TV..and the parents expect the kids to be 'religious'..
Alhamdulillah not ALL parents are like that...but in sum cases because the parents are ignorant...they choose to turn a blind eye to wat theur kids do..
am i makin ne sense..or hav i gone off topic?
:w:

:sl:

No, you're not off topic. I've seen a lot of households go to ruin because children haven't been taught right from wrong. I've seen parents gifting mullahs because their child has finished the Quran, never mind if he's understood it or not.

Child is disobedient. Child steals. Child swears. Oh, don't bother explaining to the child why it's wrong. Just take the easy way out and tell him that the policeman will come and take him away. Pathetic, but this is what I've heard mothers tell their children. Very soon the child realises that this phantom policeman never materialises. The mother realises her threats are futile.

No use telling that child what the Quran & hadith says when he's a teenager and deaf for the noise of hormones raging around his body. To him it will be an alien language. If you're going to say something to your child one day, you'd be better off by saying it from day one.

:w:

[Takumi]

:sl:

Great post Taebah sis. JazakAllah for bringing up this very important issue.

Education begins from a mothers lap. It is a little too late when parents who've sat and watched such films with their children, then throw a barney when their kids go off the rails.

Parents fail to explain do's and don'ts to their children and these are the results. It all boils down to the lack of islamic education and environment at home.

Too many parents say, you can't do this and you can't do that, without ever bothering to explain the repercussions of forbidden acts. Exposure to films/songs that glorify this kind of love will only corrupt young minds. And some old ones too.

Islamic education from an early age, is the only way forward. As they say prevention is better than cure.

:w:

This reminds me of a story typical of many muslim youths. A man came to the imam of the masjid, complaining about his teenage son.

My son doesn't pray, he takes drugs and has girlfriends. Can you do something about it?

The imam said, "how old is he now?"

"16"

"Well, you should have brought him to me when he was 5!"

Okay, without criticizing the imam, our children, our responsibility. Not the imam, the scholar or the teacher for that matter.

If can't handle responsibility, don't have sex. Nuff said. Because the consequence of your passionate and uncontrolled hormones is another life.

You've messed up yours, don't mess up others'.

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

This reminds me of a story typical of many muslim youths. A man came to the imam of the masjid, complaining about his teenage son.

My son doesn't pray, he takes drugs and has girlfriends. Can you do something about it?

The imam said, "how old is he now?"

"16"

"Well, you should have brought him to me when he was 5!"

Okay, without criticizing the imam, our children, our responsibility. Not the imam, the scholar or the teacher for that matter.

If can't handle responsibility, don't have sex. Nuff said. Because the consequence of your passionate and uncontrolled hormones is another life.

You've messed up yours, don't mess up others'.

:sl:

there are many stories similar to what u mentioned above, you also have to understand is that when our parents came to western countries there main concern was to put the food on table for their family. so upbringing of their children (according to Al-Islam) was not a major concern to them, because many of them didn't have correct islamic knowledge themself.

Now that they (parents) have established themself and seen their young children grow up the wrong way, for some it's too late and some of them are trying their best to correct the mistake they made years ago.

that's why we see/hear ppl going to ulemah of Al-Islam or so-called saints for help, why they do this is because they have seen their parents go to so-called saints for every problem. i'll give u an example of my gran-ma she tells their daughter-inlaws go to this saint or that and he'll sort all ur probelms (cow not giving milk, husband nt happy etc etc)

At the end of the day our parnts have dne everything for us except teach us Al-Islam.

:w:

[mehnaz]

MashaAllah very good article....JazakAllah khair for sharing it with us!

[Sahabiyaat]

If can't handle responsibility, don't have sex. Nuff said. Because the consequence of your passionate and uncontrolled hormones is another life

*cough* thats a bit harsh isnt it.

its not quite as easy or as simple as that brother :)
everyone goes through certain 'phases' in their lives and many do not think about children or responsibilities or consequences for that matter until very later on (even up until when their kids are teenagers, the parents still act like teenagers themselves, what kind of an example is that ?) ....they should but they dont.

brother iqbal_ibn_adam point is very true "our parents have done everything for us except teach us Islam"

we are the next generation
lets hope we do not make these mistakes.


:w:

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

If can't handle responsibility, don't have sex. Nuff said. Because the consequence of your passionate and uncontrolled hormones is another life

*cough* thats a bit harsh isnt it.

its not quite as easy or as simple as that brother :)
everyone goes through certain 'phases' in their lives and many do not think about children or responsibilities or consequences for that matter until very later on (even up until when their kids are teenagers, the parents still act like teenagers themselves, what kind of an example is that ?) ....they should but they dont.

brother iqbal_ibn_adam point is very true "our parents have done everything for us except teach us Islam"

we are the next generation
lets hope we do not make these mistakes.


:w:

:sl:

inshA we all should pray that we don't repeat the same mistake again as our parents did. and may Allah (swt) forgive them.

:w:

[Snowflake]

:sl:

there are many stories similar to what u mentioned above, you also have to understand is that when our parents came to western countries there main concern was to put the food on table for their family. so upbringing of their children

Concentrating to put food on the table isn't the reason why parents failed to give their children good Islamic education. If that was the case then working people today would be in the same position. But I can understand why you're thinking that way.

The reason is that, they lacked education themselves. I know many elders who have no academic education let alone an Islamic one. They relied on molvis/mullahs and heresay, which rarely, if ever, included any say on how to raise children according to Islam. Many of their beliefs consist of bidah & cultural traditions, which they passed on to their children.

Still, even for todays wayward youngsters, it's never too late to undo the damage, for which of course the older generation cannot be directly blamed for.

Every muslim should make the effort to spread what knowledge they have to assist in bringing the 'lost' ones to Islam.

We all have computers, so why not print some beneficial ayah's, hadiths, and the relevant Islamic infomation to begin with and distribute flyers around your area. This can be kept up on a weekly/monthly basis.

If our efforts, change even one person, the next generation will benefit from it too inshaAllah.

:w:

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

:sl:




Concentrating to put food on the table isn't be the reason why parents failed to give their children good Islamic education. If that was the case then working people today would be in the same position. But I can understand why you're thinking that way.

The reason is, that they lacked education themselves. I know many elders who have no academic education let alone an Islamic one. They relied on molvis/mullahs and heresay, which rarely, if ever, included any say on how to raise children according to Islam. Many of their beliefs consist of bidah & cultural traditions, which they passed on to their children.

Still, even for todays wayward youngsters, it's never too late to undo the damage, for which of course the older generation cannot be directly blamed for.

Every muslim should make the effort to spread what knowledge they have to assist in bringing the 'lost' ones to Islam.

We all have computers, so why not print some beneficial ayah's, hadiths, and the relevant Islamic infomation to begin with and distribute flyers around your area. This can be kept up on a weekly/monthly basis.

If our efforts, change even one person, the next generation will benefit from it too inshaAllah.

:w:

:sl:

i did mention that they (elders) lacked islamic knowledge themself due to their background etc etc.

im 100% wid u, bout the idea of distributing islamic flyers on basic islamic issues.

if any1 is interested in doing this there are lot of web sites where u can download the flyers for free, so u won't even need to sit there and type it yourself.


:w:

[Takumi]

If can't handle responsibility, don't have sex. Nuff said. Because the consequence of your passionate and uncontrolled hormones is another life

*cough* thats a bit harsh isnt it.

its not quite as easy or as simple as that brother :)
everyone goes through certain 'phases' in their lives and many do not think about children or responsibilities or consequences for that matter until very later on (even up until when their kids are teenagers, the parents still act like teenagers themselves, what kind of an example is that ?) ....they should but they dont.

brother iqbal_ibn_adam point is very true "our parents have done everything for us except teach us Islam"

we are the next generation
lets hope we do not make these mistakes.


:w:

answer: it's not harsh. It's the truth. Other people can sugar coat, glaze and sprinkle it if they want. I prefer, straight to the point.

Yes, let's concentrate on US. The generation who realizes that we gotta choose Islam. Islam is not a birth right. You were born muslim until you realize that you want to make Islam your way of life. If you don't choose Islam, than Islam doesn't need you. Let people who actually like Islam for what it is, not for what they have been born with.

Some tips before you get married. [if you are, you may change this topic to, tips before having *cough*] {I like to please other people, too , sometimes}

(1) Visit local welfare offices. See abused kids and volunteer to help.
(2) Before reading about marriage and love, read about how NOT to treat a child.
(3) Interview your future partner and ask about how he/she feels about having children. What kind of disciplinary actions would he/she take on the child. Trial and error is not good enough. Children are most of the time DEFENSELESS. They cry because they don't know how to show their emotions otherwise, while adults can write and do more stuff
(4)If you can't handle your urges, go out, play sports, or walk. don't get married just to fulfll your sexual desires alone. And also, LOVE is not good enough.
(5) If you can't follow any of the above, trust me, stay single. Let people who can follow, reproduce. They'll do a better job than you. You can't be good at everything. Accept your weakness and move on.

[Musaafirah]

answer: it's not harsh. It's the truth. Other people can sugar coat, glaze and sprinkle it if they want. I prefer, straight to the point.

Yes, let's concentrate on US. The generation who realizes that we gotta choose Islam. Islam is not a birth right. You were born muslim until you realize that you want to make Islam your way of life. If you don't choose Islam, than Islam doesn't need you. Let people who actually like Islam for what it is, not for what they have been born with.

Some tips before you get married. [if you are, you may change this topic to, tips before having *cough*] {I like to please other people, too , sometimes}

(1) Visit local welfare offices. See abused kids and volunteer to help.
(2) Before reading about marriage and love, read about how NOT to treat a child.
(3) Interview your future partner and ask about how he/she feels about having children. What kind of disciplinary actions would he/she take on the child. Trial and error is not good enough. Children are most of the time DEFENSELESS. They cry because they don't know how to show their emotions otherwise, while adults can write and do more stuff
(4)If you can't handle your urges, go out, play sports, or walk. don't get married just to fulfll your sexual desires alone. And also, LOVE is not good enough.
(5) If you can't follow any of the above, trust me, stay single. Let people who can follow, reproduce. They'll do a better job than you. You can't be good at everything. Accept your weakness and move on.

:salamext:
jus gotta say..i'm wid ya on wat u said..but wat bout those peepz who were forced into marriage...didnt want children..etc etc...and then again there'z the opposite where people wait MANY years to have children...and wen they finally do...they go and OVERSPOIL them..watz the world coming to? :?..
But then again..the MAIN problem at the end of the day...is lack of education..as u and Nadia have pointed out...also...its so annoying wen people are not WILLING to learn..:rant: ..i can go on bout the ignorance of sum peepz...but shan't do so..honestly its jus so..:grumbling
and again there'z sum peepz..who jus dont bother teachin their kids the basicz..and wen the kid turns 16 or 18..."hey kid..its ur life now....not my prob"
:w:

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

:salamext:
jus gotta say..i'm wid ya on wat u said..but wat bout those peepz who were forced into marriage...didnt want children..etc etc...and then again there'z the opposite where people wait MANY years to have children...and wen they finally do...they go and OVERSPOIL them..watz the world coming to? :?..
But then again..the MAIN problem at the end of the day...is lack of education..as u and Nadia have pointed out...also...its so annoying wen people are not WILLING to learn..:rant: ..i can go on bout the ignorance of sum peepz...but shan't do so..honestly its jus so..:grumbling
and again there'z sum peepz..who jus dont bother teachin their kids the basicz..and wen the kid turns 16 or 18..."hey kid..its ur life now....not my prob"
:w:

:sl:

how trure is that, your last paraghraph

:w:

[Umar001]

I really dont get the whole love thing, I get the desire, but I dont get this concept of 'love' I mean I love my brothers and I love my sisters, but I dont know about love of my wife, i think that would just be the same as my love for my brothers and sisters, I dont get the difference. I really am confused.

[aamirsaab]

:sl:
You'll understand when your married :)

[Umar001]

:sl:
You'll understand when your married :)

Lol im guessing you dont know either!

I mean argh its difficult to explain my position.

but i dont know, not being married would be easier in some aspects

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

I really dont get the whole love thing, I get the desire, but I dont get this concept of 'love' I mean I love my brothers and I love my sisters, but I dont know about love of my wife, i think that would just be the same as my love for my brothers and sisters, I dont get the difference. I really am confused.

lol cuz like aamirsaab said u'll find out when u get married inshA.
to find a true loving partner at times like this is very hard, so be wise with whome you choose inshA
:happy:

[Takumi]

:salamext:
jus gotta say..i'm wid ya on wat u said..but wat bout those peepz who were forced into marriage...didnt want children..etc etc...and then again there'z the opposite where people wait MANY years to have children...and wen they finally do...they go and OVERSPOIL them..watz the world coming to? :?..
But then again..the MAIN problem at the end of the day...is lack of education..as u and Nadia have pointed out...also...its so annoying wen people are not WILLING to learn..:rant: ..i can go on bout the ignorance of sum peepz...but shan't do so..honestly its jus so..:grumbling
and again there'z sum peepz..who jus dont bother teachin their kids the basicz..and wen the kid turns 16 or 18..."hey kid..its ur life now....not my prob"
:w:

With all these comments aside, have you done my first suggestion? Visit the local DHS or Welfare offices and look at abuse children?

Do that first and then come back and tell us your experience.

[Takumi]

I really dont get the whole love thing, I get the desire, but I dont get this concept of 'love' I mean I love my brothers and I love my sisters, but I dont know about love of my wife, i think that would just be the same as my love for my brothers and sisters, I dont get the difference. I really am confused.

You're not confused. You're being human.

Islam came to guide you, to channel this innate quality so that even while in love you worship Allah.

Heed my advice, if you're old enough, volunteer to mentor a child now. Those are the finesse that are hard to find.

Everyone can have sex, but not everyone can be compassionate enough to take care of their "doings". Go and do the right thing. Don't leave it to your wife's so called "natural instinct" to take care of your kids. They don't have natural instinct. If they do, then Dave Pezler's mom wouldn't have abused him and then on her death bed, when asked, why did she just not kill him, after all that abuse? She nonchalantly said:

"I didn't know where to hide the body".

[for those who crave daleel and proof, please do yourself a favor and read, A Child Called "It", truly, leave your Quran and Sahih Bukhari for a while]

All of us must go out and see the effects of sexual relations. These things happen to all families, muslims or non muslims alike. Muslim families are the worse, in my observation. Owing to the culturally embedded patriachal dominance, some fathers slap, kick, bruise wives and kids. Wives who have been brought up to "obey their husbands" would keep quiet and be patient, hoping for ajr from Allah. Allah wants easiness for you, and he doesn't want for you hardships. [2:185]

No wonder Women's Lib orgnization are hard on Islam, due to these unscrupulous males who reproduce but have no idea how to deal with their product of reproduction. And we have all the male scholars who would not admit that muslim males need to be educated about their responsibilities. Go figure.

Propagate ahadeeth about how the prophet [he's a male] dealt with children as much as you propagate hadeeth about how you make solah or whether your must have a beard or not and we will see the difference. Also cut down on the how long your pants should be. Get your Bukhari Muslim hadeeth software and rather than searching for what qualities a wife should have, look for how the prophet treated children and their wives.

Muslim women must also concentrate on Quranic verses and ahadeeth that tell them more about THEIR rights rather than the ones telling them they will outnumber men in the hellfire. They should know that a woman stood up in front of the caliph to correct him regarding mahr. They should also know about the ones who taught the companions after the demise of the prophet was a woman. Maybe then they won't have time to wait and sit down and be content at the lower end of the food chain or waste time having emotional diarrhea in forums. :p [some of them]

Do you see how wonderful Islam is? It releases you from all subordinations except to the One who holds your soul! It widens your scope on how life should be. It frees you from racial arrogance and gender conceitment other than what Allah has prescribed.

There's no jannah for men and women. There's only jannah.

[Umar001]

lol cuz like aamirsaab said u'll find out when u get married inshA.
to find a true loving partner at times like this is very hard, so be wise with whome you choose inshA
:happy:

Lol in total honesty that does nothing but worry me more about getting married.

I guess I might find out, man I dont know how Isa peace be upon him didnt get married, and I dont know how Muhammed peace be upon him could wait till 25, man I wish I had such patience.

[Takumi]

Imam an Nawawi didn't get married. He died single. I guess he was too busy with his ahadeeth collecting work. That's a tip: Keep yourself busy. :)

[Umar001]

isnt that wrong? i mean dying without being married?

[Takumi]

No. It's perfectly HALAAL. Of course many people will disagree with me, but getting married is a WORLDLY affair, so the original ruling is MUBAH [do or don't do, don't matter].

Well, yes, it's a sunnah of the prophet. Before we caress ourselves with that hadeeth, may I suggest we read about his other sunnah, like how he treated his adopted Zaid and children? :)

[Umar001]

I do agree with ya previous post about women, i mean alot seem to just be confused about what their rights are, and just think being abused is alright, that really annoys me, but I dont see how me reading about the way the prophet treated kids will help me understand 'love' with regards to a wife

[Takumi]

it won't.

it will make you realize your love towards your wife has some other bifurcations. :)

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:

trust me, work hard and die fi sabilillah (in the way of Allaah Almighty).. then get 72 houriz insha Allaah :p

... the easy way :)


:wasalamex

[Takumi]

I do agree with ya previous post about women, i mean alot seem to just be confused about what their rights are, and just think being abused is alright, that really annoys me, but I dont see how me reading about the way the prophet treated kids will help me understand 'love' with regards to a wife

Excuse me bro, many men, are confused about women's rights too.

They think they can control women like they control their remote control cars.

Newsflash: They can't. Allah came to free men and women from slavery towards other beings.

The prophet showed that. He's our prime example.

I've seen men who really took care of their wives and kids. I admire them so much and they don't have beards, they don't roll up their pants and they don't memorize Al Quran and they're are non muslims. :)

If these men become muslim, they'll be perfect, well, unless some other muslim men come and contaminate them with this ridiculous idea about how men are "supposed to be"..... :p

[Takumi]

:salamext:

trust me, work hard and die fi sabilillah (in the way of Allaah Almighty).. then get 72 houriz insha Allaah :p

... the easy way :)


:wasalamex

LOL! for a minute there, i thought this post belonged to....err...

well, can't say it. To the Brother's Forum!! [Batman theme]

[Umar001]

Excuse me bro, many men, are confused about women's rights too.

They think they can control women like they control their remote control cars.

Newsflash: They can't. Allah came to free men and women from slavery towards other beings.

The prophet showed that. He's our prime example.

I've seen men who really took care of their wives and kids. I admire them so much and they don't have beards, they don't roll up their pants and they don't memorize Al Quran and they're are non muslims. :)

If these men become muslim, they'll be perfect, well, unless some other muslim men come and contaminate them with this ridiculous idea about how men are "supposed to be"..... :p

For real, I mean I dont know alot about women's rights in Islam but it would make sense that they learn primarily since those are their rights and men learn theres and then they can learn each others, but i mean priority wise i would learn my own rights and so forth, all I was saying was that some sisters feel they have to do stuff which they dont, it happens world wide, in and out of islam, it just suprises me that if those men that treat them bad are muslims then those sisters instantly have a moral code they can use taht the men have to abide by.

and what does "bifurcations" mean???

peace

[Takumi]

and what does "bifurcations" mean???

peace

it means, branches. that means, your love towards your wife, have other effects too. that love leads to sexual relations------> KIDS

:) My bad. I'm just feeling lexical today. :p

[Umar001]

well Alhamdulilah your feeling flexible, or flexy or flexicon or which other one it was, thanks for clerifying

[Muezzin]

These 'love or desire' debates always amuse me. Surely you need to 'desire' your spouse in some capacity in order to 'love' them? Would one really marry someone that they don't 'desire' at all? Someone that they find completely un-attractive and repulsive, even though others might think otherwise?

[taebah]

You're not confused. You're being human.

Islam came to guide you, to channel this innate quality so that even while in love you worship Allah.

Heed my advice, if you're old enough, volunteer to mentor a child now. Those are the finesse that are hard to find.

Everyone can have sex, but not everyone can be compassionate enough to take care of their "doings". Go and do the right thing. Don't leave it to your wife's so called "natural instinct" to take care of your kids. They don't have natural instinct. If they do, then Dave Pezler's mom wouldn't have abused him and then on her death bed, when asked, why did she just not kill him, after all that abuse? She nonchalantly said:

"I didn't know where to hide the body".

[for those who crave daleel and proof, please do yourself a favor and read, A Child Called "It", truly, leave your Quran and Sahih Bukhari for a while]

All of us must go out and see the effects of sexual relations. These things happen to all families, muslims or non muslims alike. Muslim families are the worse, in my observation. Owing to the culturally embedded patriachal dominance, some fathers slap, kick, bruise wives and kids. Wives who have been brought up to "obey their husbands" would keep quiet and be patient, hoping for ajr from Allah. Allah wants easiness for you, and he doesn't want for you hardships. [2:185]

No wonder Women's Lib orgnization are hard on Islam, due to these unscrupulous males who reproduce but have no idea how to deal with their product of reproduction. And we have all the male scholars who would not admit that muslim males need to be educated about their responsibilities. Go figure.

Propagate ahadeeth about how the prophet [he's a male] dealt with children as much as you propagate hadeeth about how you make solah or whether your must have a beard or not and we will see the difference. Also cut down on the how long your pants should be. Get your Bukhari Muslim hadeeth software and rather than searching for what qualities a wife should have, look for how the prophet treated children and their wives.

Muslim women must also concentrate on Quranic verses and ahadeeth that tell them more about THEIR rights rather than the ones telling them they will outnumber men in the hellfire. They should know that a woman stood up in front of the caliph to correct him regarding mahr. They should also know about the ones who taught the companions after the demise of the prophet was a woman. Maybe then they won't have time to wait and sit down and be content at the lower end of the food chain or waste time having emotional diarrhea in forums. :p [some of them]

Do you see how wonderful Islam is? It releases you from all subordinations except to the One who holds your soul! It widens your scope on how life should be. It frees you from racial arrogance and gender conceitment other than what Allah has prescribed.

There's no jannah for men and women. There's only jannah.

Subhan Allah, very well said brother. Jazaak Allah khair. Couldn't have said it better myself... and it's great to hear this coming from a Muslim male. May Allah reward you.

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

:sl:

we might be moving away from the topic here but can we carry on with what we are talking about?

i know a br who has similiar views about muslims as br Takumi does. and i agree with him, coz the way we MUSLIMS go about things somtimes or most of times it contradiicts the teaching of Al-Islam.

i live in uk where the non-muslims most of them are very understanding ppl (if sum1 speaks to them about Al-Islam). i look at these ppl they r not muslims but the way they deal with us of amongest themselves is much better than we as muslims should do.

We are very layed back ppl and yet we say we want this or that. We will never achieve anything if we dont change ourself.

My little advice is that we (men & women) should all try our best to learn much of deen as we can and also implement it in our lives.

Why is that we all say ISLAM IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE? but we dnt take anything from it, this is very :unhappy:

:w:

[Takumi]

Let me help you.

Love your husband or wife. This love also comes with desire.

Love + Desire = Marital relations = Have kids.

so before love and desire, look at the end of the equation [Have kids].

THAT's the scariest part. :)

[Noor]

Let me help you.
Love your husband or wife. This love also comes with desire.
Love + Desire = Marital relations = Have kids.
so before love and desire, look at the end of the equation [Have kids].
THAT's the scariest part. :)

:sl:

When you're rich, it's not.

[Umar001]

man i cant wait till i have kids, imagine just going masjeed with them and teachin them quran, and being imam to your whole family at night prayer, waking their little bodies up, helping them do wudu and then seeing then postrate and teachin them the way of our prophet peace be upon him, watchin them grow, hearing them recite quran, man I so so so cant wait, omg, you have to love kids.

[Noor]

man i cant wait till i have kids, imagine just going masjeed with them and teachin them quran, and being imam to your whole family at night prayer, waking their little bodies up, helping them do wudu and then seeing then postrate and teachin them the way of our prophet peace be upon him, watchin them grow, hearing them recite quran, man I so so so cant wait, omg, you have to love kids.

Wow brother, I love your enthusiasm and passion. May Allah give you the children of your dreams. Ameen.

Not to burst your bubble or anything but having children as got to be the toughest job ever! Especially when they vomit and you have to clean it up. Otherwise, InshaAllah, kids are adorable.

:w:

[Umar001]

for real man, that is disgusting, i mean like changing nappies and all but man, i mean, ur seed growing before your eyes, watchin him or her prayin in their tiny feet, educating them, teachin them how to write, playing games with them and teaching them and so on, given them everything we never had, by allah's will, man its gonna be hard, but i hope it goes well.

lol u aint burst my bubble, i think the hardestthing may be the birth, thats some disgusting phase.

[Snowflake]

:sl:

man i cant wait till i have kids, imagine just going masjeed with them and teachin them quran, and being imam to your whole family at night prayer, waking their little bodies up, helping them do wudu and then seeing then postrate and teachin them the way of our prophet peace be upon him, watchin them grow, hearing them recite quran, man I so so so cant wait, omg, you have to love kids.

That made me go awwww so sweet mashaAllah. Then I scrolled down and I saw...

>

for real man, that is disgusting, i mean like changing nappies and all but man,

That's so typical of many men. Even my son who's only seven (mashaAllah) told me that he will never change his kids nappies. He said it was disgusting. But he did say that he will play with them all the time ;D

Oh well there's still hope...

:w:

[Takumi]

As the scroll down the posts I wish some of the brothers and sisters here were with me atttending the courses on child abuse. It's a mandatory course for prospective foster parents.

I got the impression that when you're rich, your life's will be all gay and dandy. I hope you're right. Of course, you gotta live how you want to live.

I'm glad some of us are living in the real world. Oh ya, one question, for those teenagers, do your parents know that you're online responding to strangers' posts? [you don't have to answer this]

Love and desire. What a laugh. :)

I'll pray for YOUR kids. :)

Who knows, when I see them at the welfare office or DHS, they'll tell me, "momma used to be on the computer all day" and "daddy hit momma and yelled at us"

Quoting Ripley: "I hope you're right. I really do"

[Far7an]

:sl:

I have deleted all off topic posts from this thread. If you disagree with an argument which a member has presented, you are not obliged to accept it, and you are more than welcome to offer a response. However personal attacks on fellow members in unacceptable,

barakallahu feekum.

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

As the scroll down the posts I wish some of the brothers and sisters here were with me atttending the courses on child abuse. It's a mandatory course for prospective foster parents.

I got the impression that when you're rich, your life's will be all gay and dandy. I hope you're right. Of course, you gotta live how you want to live.

I'm glad some of us are living in the real world. Oh ya, one question, for those teenagers, do your parents know that you're online responding to strangers' posts? [you don't have to answer this]

Love and desire. What a laugh. :)

I'll pray for YOUR kids. :)

Who knows, when I see them at the welfare office or DHS, they'll tell me, "momma used to be on the computer all day" and "daddy hit momma and yelled at us"

Quoting Ripley: "I hope you're right. I really do"

:sl:
Ahki i like your style, but like u said there are kids here so i think u should chill out a bit with them.:)

We dnt know they might be here to learn, so dnt discourage them pls.

:w:

[Takumi]

:sl:
Ahki i like your style, but like u said there are kids here so i think u should chill out a bit with them.:)

We dnt know they might be here to learn, so dnt discourage them pls.

:w:

Chill out? I've chilled out with them so many times that I feel I'm in the North Pole now. :p

Thanks for the advice. I'll heed it.

You are blunt, straightforward and you go for the kill. :)

I like that. :)

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

Chill out? I've chilled out with them so many times that I feel I'm in the North Pole now. :p

Thanks for the advice. I'll heed it.

You are blunt, straightforward and you go for the kill. :)

I like that. :)

:sl:
lol

[Umar001]

I mean changing nappies is gonna be disgusting but it is part of the package so imma have to do it.

and I really dont get all this abuse stuff, erm, I dont, I dont see what ya gettin at bro

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

I DONT NEED UR CORRECTION BROTHA, FIRST PUT ON UR GLASSES THN TALK TO ME... I SAY IT DA WAY I KNW IT OKY, ALHUMDOLIHA...

:sl: :sister:

first calm down and say i seek refuge in Allah (swt) from iblis. inshA

second, why do u hate love?lol


:w:

[sapphire]

heartbroken people start to hate love kind of get put off.....(i think)...and tht smiley looks like a burnt tomato.....

[samina1]

:sl: :sister:

first calm down and say i seek refuge in Allah (swt) from iblis. inshA

second, why do u hate love?lol


:w:

wel salam firstable bro, and seconly i hope ur in da highest spirit of islam.
iam calm down alhumdoliah. sorry to say this, but i dont really wna talk abt love... i have family experience with love n i hate it bcz of tht.. so i rather sty away from tht topic..
:sister: ma salam

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

wel salam firstable bro, and seconly i hope ur in da highest spirit of islam.
iam calm down alhumdoliah. sorry to say this, but i dont really wna talk abt love... i have family experience with love n i hate it bcz of tht.. so i rather sty away from tht topic..
:sister: ma salam

jk, point taken.
if that's the case than it doesn't mean u have to be like this for rest of your life. my little adive to you is that spk to sum sisters and inshA fings will work out for u one day.
do not be depressed, life is too short

:w:

[samina1]

jk, point taken.
if that's the case than it doesn't mean u have to be like this for rest of your life. my little adive to you is that spk to sum sisters and inshA fings will work out for u one day.
do not be depressed, life is too short

:w:

JAZAKALLAH KHAIR YA KHEE FOR DA ADVICE..
INSHALLAH I WIL THINK ABT THT.. IAM SURE I WILL BE ABLE TO LOVE ONE DAU.. BUT IM NOT SURE WHO.. ALLAH KNWS WHTS RIGHT FOR ME.. SO I WIL WAIT ALHUMDOLIAH.:)
FI AMANI ALLAH

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

heartbroken people start to hate love kind of get put off.....(i think)...and tht smiley looks like a burnt tomato.....

;D ;D ;D
good joke

anyway it depends how hurt they are/were?

:w:

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

JAZAKALLAH KHAIR YA KHEE FOR DA ADVICE..
INSHALLAH I WIL THINK ABT THT.. IAM SURE I WILL BE ABLE TO LOVE ONE DAU.. BUT IM NOT SURE WHO.. ALLAH KNWS WHTS RIGHT FOR ME.. SO I WIL WAIT ALHUMDOLIAH.:)
FI AMANI ALLAH

:sl:
sry if i said sumfing wrong, r u angry u got u CAPS on?

[salehah]

Salam all!

Nice topic !
although i don't find time to watch movies but i agree... the influence they have on people is quite big!
At this is a point i would just like to emphasise on the role of media and it's effects that you'll all agree are no doubt great!
why don't we use this to promote the true islam then, in a way that is halal and has effect on youth too!
But for this we need to have a different approach towards deen and technology and purpose it serves instead of indulging over useless things about that is haram and that is halal ....
same thing that can be used to make people astray can be used to put them on the right path!
but instead what are we doing still stuck in the past not getting over it and still fighting over minor things, making sections and promoting OUR point of veiws and forgetting the true religion and most of all ALLAH!!

thanks

[Qurratul Ayn]

Asslamu Alaikum

Jazakallah Khair for that article Sister taebah!!!

Asslamu Alaikum
Shakirah

[salehah]

....and about love...uhmm i guess people loved when there were no movies,got married had kids raised them..right or wrong they knew and Allah SWT knows the best so He gave us the guidelines..
i don't think any harm in love it's just another emotion and everyone loves according to their own capacity and restrictions which only they allow themselves to be bound to, thats how the world is surviving! :)
can't really say much on it.

[lyliane]

assalamou 3alaykou
wajazakoum allah khayren for this article it is very intrsting, ana a want to say that now the effect of media is more dangerous that the magie , with all those fitan we ask, allah atabat. alaso i want to say that love it is not someting bad but it chould be in the right moment whith the right person

[Snowflake]

:wasalamex


The brother can not get married to a hindu. he can either get married to a muslim, christian or jew and no other faith

I know this is not ur personal opinion, but I disagree with it regardless.

The mufti in the link given said, that Christians and Jews both claim that they believe in one God, therefore marriage to them is permissable (for men), but it is better to marry a muslim.

But surely if a Christian is instilling their belief of the Trinity in their child, or a Jew is denying that Jesus was not the Messiah as 'The Messiah' will be born of natural birth (according to jews) while the muslim is yet claiming both to be wrong, then that alone will be enough to cause conflict between couples where religion comes in. The belief in one God as the scholar said, is not enough.

I am saying this because of the following:

In the Quran Jesus is called the Messiah.

Yet, Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. (e.g will not be able to perform miracles as Jesus did) In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David.

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Now read below:


Quran 9:30: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!


[Quran 98:6] Those who disbelieved among the people of the scripture, and the idol worshipers, have incurred the fire of Gehenna forever. They are the worst creatures.

[Quran 98:1] Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,-

[Quran 98:6] Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

If you look at the verses of the Quran, it tells us amongst other things, that rejectors are the worst of creatures & that they will be condemned to Hellfire. Therefore, again, how is marriage to them allowed?

Judging from the ayahs I have quoted, I do not believe that marriage to Christians & Jews is allowed. Unless someone can provide undisputable evidence to refute what I said, I will continue to stand by my statement.
As marriage to the rejectors and the cursed does look permissable from where I'm standing.

Furthermore, as I said in another post, If I being a muslim were to enjoin partners with Allah (as in christian trinity) na'uthubillah, or reject Quranic teachings, would I be deemed a believer still? Even if I insisted that the Book was given to me too? Would I still be deemed suitable for marriage to a muslim male? I should think not. I'd be a rejector. Isn't that what christians and jews are today? Yet scholars say that marriage to them is permissable!? It doesn't make sense to me.

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[nurul3eyn]

whew very interesting article thanx for sharing it with us sis :):):)
wasalam

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[Cabdullahi]

I keep emphasizing this! they are out there to make life hard for us,the media,the government,the aim is to make people have minimal or no time spending at practising their religion so thats why they produce all these shows,celebrity gossip,soaps,love stories for the girls and pornography for the boys.what they want is and this is a proven fact is for you to be brain dead from watching pointless garbage so they can control you.
Let them keep saying "ohh! you are missing out religion is restricting you"
just answer them with "NAH religion is restricting me from falling into hell"