United States Immigration Bill

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It isn't a perfect bill, but it is probably the only way to deal with the situation. We have way too many illegal immigrants living in the U.S., and it isn't realistic to consider deporting them. Better to make them legal and at least have a better idea of who these people are and where they are.
 
It isn't a perfect bill, but it is probably the only way to deal with the situation. We have way too many illegal immigrants living in the U.S., and it isn't realistic to consider deporting them. Better to make them legal and at least have a better idea of who these people are and where they are.
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It is hard for US to handle all ilegal immigrants , bc US has a very high population, and also is a mosaic of cultures, people meet there, so I don't blame the government if they can't handle completely the situation. It's just hard.
 
Keltoi said:
It isn't a perfect bill, but it is probably the only way to deal with the situation. We have way too many illegal immigrants living in the U.S., and it isn't realistic to consider deporting them. Better to make them legal and at least have a better idea of who these people are and where they are.
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And give away the country to a culture that was decadent 600 years ago.
Let alone now. Yes I can see why you would favor that.
But as I said, at least it will be Catholic. Roman Catholic.
 
Chiteng said:
And give away the country to a culture that was decadent 600 years ago.
Let alone now. Yes I can see why you would favor that.
But as I said, at least it will be Catholic. Roman Catholic.
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Are you talking about Mexican culture as being decadent? In any case its too late to worry about illegal immigrants getting here, as they are already millions and millions of them. At the very least we should know who and where they are.
 
Chiteng said:
And give away the country to a culture that was decadent 600 years ago.
Let alone now. Yes I can see why you would favor that.
But as I said, at least it will be Catholic. Roman Catholic.
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Interesting 600 years ago would be 1407, still pre-Colombian and before any European influence. I doubt enough of the early Amer-Ind History remains to determine if it was decadent or not.

We do know that the Algonquin tribes of the North East had established a stable form of government and lived in peace. The plainsmen were primarily hunters and Nomads, the North Pacific coast tribes may have established some trade with Muslim voyageurs.
 
Just for the sake of argument,(I'm not defending Chiteng's comments), if he is referring to pre-European Mexico he would be talking about the Aztec and the Maya, who did practice ritual sacrifice.
 
Keltoi said:
Are you talking about Mexican culture as being decadent? In any case its too late to worry about illegal immigrants getting here, as they are already millions and millions of them. At the very least we should know who and where they are.
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No I am speaking of Spanish Culture.

And no, we could deport them all.
 
Chiteng said:
No I am speaking of Spanish Culture.

And no, we could deport them all.
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I'm afraid I don't understand the thing about Spanish culture being decadent, but that is opinion anyway.

Yes, theoretically we could deport every illegal alien found within the borders of the U.S, but realistically that isn't going to happen.
 
Keltoi said:
I'm afraid I don't understand the thing about Spanish culture being decadent, but that is opinion anyway.

Yes, theoretically we could deport every illegal alien found within the borders of the U.S, but realistically that isn't going to happen.
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It certainly wont if US citizens refuse to consider the option.

But yes it COULD be done, and easily.
 
But it won't get done. I know in my area there is a large hispanic population. And if it weren't for them, nothing would get done!!!!!!! On every constuction site you see, 90% of the workers are hispanic. Many americans have become to lazy to do manual labor.
 
tomtomsmom said:
But it won't get done. I know in my area there is a large hispanic population. And if it weren't for them, nothing would get done!!!!!!! On every constuction site you see, 90% of the workers are hispanic. Many americans have become to lazy to do manual labor.
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Thats a nice canard. Pay the 20$/hour and they will get unlazy.

I dont care about claims of labor shortage. You cant find the labor?
DONT BUILD or PAY THEM MORE.

There is plenty of native USA labor, they just cant survive on uncompensated
wages.

I dont care about agricultural collapse, I dont care about economic blackmail.
If we cant control our own country, we wont have one.

Deport them, deport them all.
 
Sorry dude but digging a ditch isn't worth $20 an hour. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to more than they are. And on that note, perhaps spewing nothing but hate should stop as well.
 
tomtomsmom said:
Sorry dude but digging a ditch isn't worth $20 an hour. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to more than they are. And on that note, perhaps spewing nothing but hate should stop as well.
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I am advocating enforcing the law.
You advocate giving the country away.

If the ditch isnt worth 20$/hour, then YOU dig it, or do without it.

The only one talking about hate is you.
 
Personally I find the whole "they do work Americans won't do" argument to be a red herring. It is about labor costs. Companies will hire illegals because the cost of their labor is so low. Americans have no problem with manual labor if they are paid at least minimum wage.
 
In no way am I advocating giving the country away. That is stupidity. And for your information I HAVE DUG THE DITCH! And I have picked the cotton. I have worked side by side with some of the hardest working people I have ever met. And I can tell you one thing for sure. None of them were white. And sorry to tell ya bro, but in reading your posts I never see anything but hate. Why don't you try reading some of mine before you jump to whatever conclusion you think you can make about me.
 
tomtomsmom said:
In no way am I advocating giving the country away. That is stupidity. And for your information I HAVE DUG THE DITCH! And I have picked the cotton. I have worked side by side with some of the hardest working people I have ever met. And I can tell you one thing for sure. None of them were white. And sorry to tell ya bro, but in reading your posts I never see anything but hate. Why don't you try reading some of mine before you jump to whatever conclusion you think you can make about me.
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I can conclude that you dont feel the US laws need to be obeyed.
That much is obvious. What else do I need to know?

All I advocate is enforcement of the law. If that is hate, then I am far from alone.
 
Keltoi said:
Personally I find the whole "they do work Americans won't do" argument to be a red herring. It is about labor costs. Companies will hire illegals because the cost of their labor is so low. Americans have no problem with manual labor if they are paid at least minimum wage.
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Minumum wage is WAY less than what the hispanics get paid in my area. General labor here starts out at $10 an hour. That is nearly twice our minimum wage. I know alot of guys that would rather work for 5.75 an hour at Burger King in the AC than get out and work in the sun. But then there is the big money. Selling dope on the street corner turns a much higher profit.


I am not saying that they should be here illegally. But if they are already here, give them a chance to become legal. If they don't take it, then you can kick them out. But it isn't going to stop. They will keep coming.
 
Keltoi said:
Personally I find the whole "they do work Americans won't do" argument to be a red herring. It is about labor costs. Companies will hire illegals because the cost of their labor is so low. Americans have no problem with manual labor if they are paid at least minimum wage.
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You are correct Keltoi, and I apologize for baiting you.
 
Chiteng said:
I can conclude that you dont feel the US laws need to be obeyed.
That much is obvious. What else do I need to know?

All I advocate is enforcement of the law. If that is hate, then I am far from alone.
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Some laws do need to be followed. And some laws need to be changed. Your posts seem to not be aimed at law enforcement. More like burn them all at the stake.
 
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