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syilla
06-04-2007, 04:32 AM
http://www.islamictube.net/view_vide...wkey=639318192

Title Prominent Scientists Testify To Scientific Facts in Quran
Description The greatest Scientists testify to scientific Facts in Quran.

These are short parts of many interviews with the Prominent Scientists in the Tv-Program (it is the Truth) which organized by the World Organization of scientific miracles in the Quran, which was broadcast on the Qatari- television for more than three consecutive hours..

This Program was made during the Eighth international Medical Conference in Saudi Arabia and other scientific Conferences at that Time.

The Scientists who were interviewed during this conference are:

1) professeur keith Moore (USA)
is an eminent specialist in world fame in surgery and embryology. this professor wrote live named (the human development). this book was considered as a best work in the world, written by only one author.

2)Professeur Van Bersoud (canada)
is a professor of anatomy, pediatry, and obstetrics-gynaecology and sciences of the reproduction at the university Manitoba in Canada. He was there the president of the Department of anatomy during 16 years. He is very recognized in its field. He is the author or the editor of 22 handbooks and he published more than 181 scientific articles. In 1991, he received price more distinguished allotted in the field of the anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B., Great Price of the Canadian Association of the anatomists.

3)Professeur Joe Leigh Simpson (USA)
is a president of the Department of obstetrics-gynaecology, professor of obstetrics-gynaecology, and professor of human and molecular genetics in Baylor College of Medicine, in Houston, Texas, the United States.

4)Professor Marshal Jhonson
is a professor highly skilled of anatomy and biology related to the development at the university Thomas Jefferson on Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the United States.

5)Professeur G�rald C (USA)
is a director of program and lecturer of medical embryology at the cellular Department of biology of the Medical school from the Georgetown University in Washington, the United States.

6)Professeur Youchedi Kuzane (Japan)
is a professor highly skilled at the University of Tokyo with Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and he was already a director of the national astronomical Observatory with Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan.

7)Professeur Tejatat Tejasen (Thailand)
is president of Autopsy Department in the University Chiang Mai in Thailand.. he was a senior of the Faculty of Medicine of the same university.
He embraced islam after reading the Quran


Have you watched this? :D
8)Professor William W. Hay (USA)
is a very known maritime scientist. He is a professor of geological sciences at the University of Colorado with Boulder, Colorado, the United States. Previously, he was the senior of Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University from Miami in Miami, Florida, the United States.

9)Professor Alfred kroner (Germany)
is one of the world`s renowned geologists. He is Professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany.
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Lina
06-10-2007, 12:07 AM
:sl:

Science doesn't confirm Al Quraan.

Al Quraan confirms science.
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ranma1/2
06-11-2007, 02:04 AM
argument from authority fallacy?

i know many a more scientists that call it not so.
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BanGuLLy
06-11-2007, 04:03 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2eMQLT9PonU
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BanGuLLy
06-11-2007, 04:09 AM
nice post :)
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barney
06-11-2007, 04:22 AM
Cant make out a word theyre saying even at max volume.

Did they mention the sun falling into the muddy pool? Or the sea below the fire?
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Trumble
06-11-2007, 08:57 AM
I wonder why Moore made sure that none of 'Quran'ic' interpretations he came up with when employed by the Saudi Royal family were included in copies of his book published in the West? Odd that.
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czgibson
06-11-2007, 11:19 AM
Greetings,
Originally Posted by Trumble
I wonder why Moore made sure that none of 'Quran'ic' interpretations he came up with when employed by the Saudi Royal family were included in copies of his book published in the West? Odd that.
Quite so. In all likelihood he left them out because they either weren't true or served no purpose in illustrating his embryological ideas. How do we know he didn't believe the Qur'anic 'scientific facts' were divinely inspired? Simple: he didn't convert to Islam.

Working for the Saudis earned him a lot of money, though, so I guess it's alright.

Peace
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vpb
06-11-2007, 11:54 AM
Did they mention the sun falling into the muddy pool?
The sun set in a pool of murky water
  1. "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." (18:86, Yusuf Ali, translation).
My Response:
Zakir Naik said in his debate with Dr William Campbell “The Quran and Bible in the Light of Science”...
The other points, Dr. William Campbell raised was regarding Surah Kahf Chapter No.18, Verse No.86, that… ‘Zulqarnain sees the sun setting in murky water… in turbid water - Imagine sun setting in murky water… unscientific.’ The Arabic word used here is… it is 'wajada' meaning, ‘it appeared to Zulqarnain.’And Dr. William Campbell knows Arabic.So 'wajada' means - if you look up in the dictionary also, it means it appeared.’ So Allah Subhanawataala is describing what appeared to Zulqarnain.If I make a statement that… ‘The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5.’ And you say… ‘Oh Zakir said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5. I did not say.I am telling…‘The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5.’ I am not wrong - The student is wrong.There are various ways to try and analyze this verse.One is this way - according to Muhammad Asad, that 'wajada' means… ‘It appeared to’… ‘It appeared to Zulqarnain.’ Point no.2 - The Arabic word used is 'Magrib' - It can be used for time, as well as place.When we say ‘sunset’ – ‘sunset’ can be taken for time.If I say… ‘The sun sets at 7 p.m.’; I am using it for time.If I say… ‘The ‘Sun sets in the West’, it means I am taking it for place.So here if we use the word 'Magrib' for time.So Zulqarnain did not reach that place of sunset - used - as time - He reached at the time of sun set. The problem is solved.Further more, you can solve them in various ways.Even if Dr. William Campbell says… ‘No No, the basic assumption is too much - It is not… ‘Appeared to’… it is actually this.’ Let us analyze it further.The Qur'anic verse says… the Sun set in murky water.’Now we know, when we use these words, like ‘sunrise’ and ‘sunset’ - does the sunrise? Scientifically, sun does not rise - neither does the sunset. We know scientifically, that the sun does not set at all. It is the rotation of the earth, which gives rise to sunrise and sunset. But yet you read in the everyday papers mentioning, sunrise at 6 a.m. sun sets at 7.00 p.m. Oh! The newspapers are wrong – Unscientific!’ If I use the word ‘Disaster’, Oh! There is a disaster’ – ‘Disaster’ means there is some calamity which has taken place. Literally, ‘disaster’ means ‘an evil star.’So when I say… ‘This disaster’ every one knows what I mean is ‘a calamity’, not about the evil star.’Dr. William Campbell and I know, when a person who is mad, we call him a lunatic - Yes or no? At least I do, and I believe Dr. William Campbell also will be doing that.We call a person ‘a lunatic’ – He is ‘mad.’ What is the meaning of ‘lunatic’? It means… ‘struck by the moon’ - But that is how the language has evolved. Similarly sun rise, is actually, it is just a usage of words.And Allah has given the guidance for the human beings also - He uses so, that we understand. So it is just ‘sunset’ - Not that it is actually setting - Not that sun is actually rising. So this explanation clearly gives us a clear picture, that the Verse of the Qur’an of Surah Kahf, Chapter.18, Verse No 86, is not in contradiction with established science - That is the way how people speak.
I recommend visiting the following links
http://bismikaallahuma.org/Quran/Commentary/q18-86.htm
http://www.geocities.com/noorullahwe...l-qarnain.html
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016622&pagename=Islam
Online-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE


Source:http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...ty&subsection=
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vpb
06-11-2007, 11:58 AM
Or the sea below the fire?
and if you are referring with this one to the verse:
"والبحر المسجور" (الطور: 6)
"And by the sea that is set on fire" (At-Tur: 6)

then:


The Sea Set on Fire
By Dr. Zaghlool El-Naggar, Ph.D.
01/08/2002
Geysers are a post-eruptive phenomenon.
The Glorious Qur'an reads:
"والبحر المسجور" (الطور: 6)
"And by the sea that is set on fire" (At-Tur: 6)
This Qur'anic verse comes in the context of an oath to emphasize the special significance of the subject matter by which the oath is given, as Allah (all glory be to Him) is definitely above the need to give such an oath.
Searching for Meanings
Now, what is the special significance of the sea that is set on fire? Both water and fire are incompatible, as water quenches fire, and fire sets water to boiling and evaporation. How then can an ocean full of water be set on fire? Such incompatibility has driven early commentators on the Holy Qur'an to suggest that this could only happen on the Last Day, depending on another Qur'anic verse where such an event is explicitly described (LXXXI: 6). Nevertheless, the context in which the oath "by the sea set on fire " and 5 preceding verses describe realities that are all currently existing in our present day work, and hence another linguistic meaning for the adjective "al-masjour" other than "set on fire" was earnestly searched for.
Among the linguistic meanings derived from such an adjective is: "full of water and restrained from further encroachment over the nearby continental masses". This is correct, because the largest quantity of fresh water today (77% of all water on land) is entrapped in the form of very thick ice sheets in the two Polar Regions as well as in the form of ice caps to highly elevated mountains. For such a great mass of ice to melt, an increase of only 4° - 5° C in the temperature of the lower atmosphere above the average summer temperatures is needed. In such a case, this melt can raise the water level in present day seas and oceans by more than 100m, which is enough to drown most of the present day plains where the majority of human settlements exist. Nevertheless, Earth scientists have recently discovered that all of the present day oceans and some seas (such as the red Sea and the Arabian Sea) are physically set on fire, while others (such as the Mediterranean, the Black and the Caspian Seas) are not.
The Phenomenon of Mid-oceanic Volcanism
Move mouse over image to understand sea-floor spreading
As mentioned previously, more than 64,000 km of mid-ocean ridges have - so far - been mapped around mid-ocean rift valleys. These oceanic ridges are basically composed of volcanic basaltic rocks that have been spouting out from the oceanic rift zones (at temperatures of about 1000° C or even more). Such intensive oceanic volcanicity builds up the mid-oceanic ridges and spreads them out laterally, by the phenomenon known as sea-floor spreading. As they are constantly fed by fresh basaltic flows, new slabs of the oceanic crust are built on both sides of the rift zones. Mid-oceanic volcanism evolves from fissure volcanism that emanates from the mid-oceanic rift systems where the oceanic crust is rifted and the opposite sides of the rift zone are pushed aside by the emanating magma. Basaltic flows and eruptions, fed from elongated secondary magma chambers below the center of the mid-oceanic ridge, pour out along the ridge axis. Sea-floor basalt from the surface of the oceanic crust, (which is about 7km thick on the average) normally consists of:
0-1 km of sediments (top)
1 km of pillow lava basalts
5 km of gabbro sills fed by dikes (bottom)
Post-eruptive phenomena that can result from interaction of phreatic waters with buried hot rocks include the following (cf. Emiliani, C., 1992, p 203):
  • Hot springs, which are formed when phreatic water is heated and mineralized in contact with hot rocks.
  • Geysers, which are periodic eruptions of boiling hot water (200°C or even more) due to circulation with superheated waters at depth, which are in direct or indirect contact with hot rocks (1000°C or even more).
  • Fumaroles, which are gaseous exhalations of water vapor enriched with SO², H²S, HCI, and HF (in order of abundance).
  • Solfataras, which are fumaroles rich in sulfur compounds.
Most of the current volcanic activity at the bottoms of seas and oceans has been going on for the past 20-30 million years, although some have persisted in their activity for 100 million years or even more (e.g. the Canary Islands). During such long periods of activity, the formed volcanic cones were gradually carried away for several hundreds of kilometers from the constantly renewed plate edge. Consequently, such drifting volcanic cones became out of reach of the magma body that used to feed them and hence, faded out and died. The current floor of the Pacific Ocean contains a great number of submerged, subdued volcanic craters (guyots), besides a large number of violently active volcanoes (e.g. the ring of fire).
Form the above mentioned discussion it is obvious that all seas and oceans that are currently experiencing sea-floor spreading are physically set on fire, while closing seas are not. Such fire on the seabed is in the form of very hot basaltic flows and other magmatic extrusions pouring out from the rift valley systems that rupture the Earth's lithosphere. Such rifts run for terms of thousands of kilometers across the globe, in all directions, to a depth of 65-150 km where it connects the seabed with the extremely hot plastic, semi - molten (asthenosphere) and hence cause such seas to be physically set on fire.
This most striking fact of our planet was not known until the very late sixties and early seventies of this century. The explicit Qur'anic precedence with such a very striking, but deeply hidden fact of our seas and oceans is a clear testimony that this Glorious Book is the word of The Creator, in its Divine Purity.
Read also:
Dr. Zaghlool El-Naggar is a Fellow of the Islamic Academy of Sciences. Member of the Geological Society of London, the Geological Society of Egypt and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Fellow of the Institute of Petroleum, London. Prof. Naggar is the author/co-author of many books and more than 40 research papers in the field of Islamic Thought, Geology, General Science and Education. He was awarded by the Ministry of Education in Egypt the top “Secondary Education Award” as well as the seventh Arab Petroleum Congress Best Papers Award in 1970. Elected a member of the IAS Council (1994 and 1999), Prof. Naggar is currently working at the Arab Development Institute.

Source:http://www.islamonline.net/English/S...rticle14.shtml

This is a flash swt file, which was supposed to be seen, so you can either download it, or go to the source link so u can watch the flash file.
http://www.islamonline.net/English/science/2002/07/images/sea.swf
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ranma1/2
06-11-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by barney
Cant make out a word theyre saying even at max volume.

Did they mention the sun falling into the muddy pool? Or the sea below the fire?
I had no problem making it out but its pure nonscience.
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Trumble
06-11-2007, 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by vpb
So this explanation clearly gives us a clear picture, that the Verse of the Qur’an of Surah Kahf, Chapter.18, Verse No 86, is not in contradiction with established science - That is the way how people speak.
Erm... I have no problem with invoking "how people speak" in attempting to explain an embarrassing scientific inaccuracy in the Qur'an but I'm very surprised you or Zakir Naik don't!
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vpb
06-11-2007, 04:34 PM
Erm... I have no problem with invoking "how people speak" in attempting to explain an embarrassing scientific inaccuracy in the Qur'an but I'm very surprised you or Zakir Naik don't!
ok , let's go ahead and discuss that, between me and you, and prove wether it is a scientific inaccuracy or not. bring your proofs, to show that the article is wrong, or indeed there is a scientific error in Qur'an. and then I'll bring mine.
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Trumble
06-11-2007, 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by vpb
ok , let's go ahead and discuss that, between me and you, and prove wether it is a scientific inaccuracy or not. bring your proofs, to show that the article is wrong, or indeed there is a scientific error in Qur'an. and then I'll bring mine.
What would be the point? There are no 'proofs' either way, there never are. It's just a case of interpretation.

You seem to have missed my point, though. It's nothing to do with the article being 'wrong'. The justification used by Zakir Naik regarding 18:86 is that it is not a "contradiction with established science" because a particular "usage of words" is "the way how people speak". This is the Qur'an we are talking about. The way how people speak?! Which people?
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vpb
06-11-2007, 10:30 PM
What would be the point? There are no 'proofs' either way, there never are. It's just a case of interpretation.

You seem to have missed my point, though. It's nothing to do with the article being 'wrong'. The justification used by Zakir Naik regarding 18:86 is that it is not a "contradiction with established science" because a particular "usage of words" is "the way how people speak". This is the Qur'an we are talking about. The way how people speak?! Which people?
41:3
A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-

43:3
We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
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barney
06-11-2007, 11:20 PM
I was actually regering to the sea below the fire below the sea. From a hadith. Forget which one.
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ranma1/2
06-12-2007, 04:14 AM
Originally Posted by barney
I was actually regering to the sea below the fire below the sea. From a hadith. Forget which one.
um wha??
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